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Sorry Brian Ray, but if you were attempting something artsy you failed miserably.
How is it that the Pilot keeps winning these awards?
commonsense1776 - and you know this for a fact how exactly?
Hannibal - it's a small town and quite removed from the real world. Lately all we have had to talk about is the up coming City Council elections. Boring. There are a number of citizens who are still pretty ticked off that their boy didn't win for sheriff.
You are right as far as learning how the legal system works and there are one or two folks who have posted who have some knowledge and have tried to share it. Unfortunately, the rest hate this man so much that they would rather make up the laws to suit their opinions. The fact that roadside tests are voluntary is something that they absolutely refuse to grasp.
Even the newspaper can't figure it out:
"Also concerning - and ironic - is the message Wall's actions seem to send to teens and other members of the community: Whether or not you've had any drinks, refuse to cooperate with law enforcement officers. That seems more like the behavior of a defendant than a sheriff."
He didn't refuse to cooperate - he refused to take the tests. This doesn't mean he was acting above the law. He was simple exercising his rights.
We probably do seem like a bunch of silly people to outsiders like yourself. We seem like a bunch of silly people to me and I have lived here a long time.
Thank you goneglad for clearing up the legal aspect. I was going on information supplied by someone currently going through a similar situation. I guess they don't know what they are talking about.
Montana - actually you sound like the moron. If you are knowledgeable on a topic then share it (as goneglad has done). Calling others names is a bit childish.
Anyway, for or against Wall - if he's guilty then he's pretty much screwed. There really isn't much to speculate there. I suppose he would have to be recalled. Before Montana calls me a moron again - I'm just guessing on the recall bit. I'm not stating any kind of fact.
I suppose he's still screwed even if he's innocent. The general consensus seems to be that he didn't have much credibility with you folks before this incident. The hole is just that much deeper now.
Oh well, sure beats the heck out of talking about the City Council elections!
By not taking a roadside sobriety test you are not admitting to anything. It is everyone's legal right to refuse to take the tests. That is why they are called voluntary. In fact, a lawyer would advise you not to take the tests. As far as losing your license goes - (I am now stating this for the third time) - You do not automatically lose your license. A hearing is conducted with the DMV to decide whether or not the officer had probable cause.
Holy cr@p JRinstmbt; did you say "innocent until proven guilty"?
Obviously you haven't been reading the comments on the first article. We practically got us a lynchin' mob all fired up here in Mayberry. Innocent until proven guilty. Where the heck are you from? ;)
How many of you were at that party on Saturday night? How many of you actually witnessed what and how much of what Wall drank? How many of you are such sheep that you will believe every word printed by our newspaper? You people (Steamboatrealitycheck exempted) are absolutely pathetic.
YOU HAVE NO FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What you do have is a bunch of Gary Wall haters riding on their high horses proclaiming guilt as if they were judge, jury and executioner.
Roadside tests are voluntary. You don't have to believe me - ask a lawyer.
You do not "automatically" lose your license if you refuse to do the tests. A seperate hearing is conducted by the DMV to determine probable cause. Again, ask a lawyer.
I said this earlier, but heaven forbid anyone read anything that goes against their hate mongering.
Oh yeah, in the United States of America (which Steamboat Springs is a part of), you are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty by a COURT OF LAW.
Sorry folks but there shall be no cross burning tonight.
This is truly a banner morning for dundalk. Probably pooped yourself when you read the headlines.
First off, all of you need to educate yourself on the laws. It is every person's right to refuse to take the roadside and Breathalyzer tests. They are voluntary. If the officer still suspects that your ability is impaired, then they will arrest you and take you to jail. If you still refuse to take any of the voluntary tests then you might lose your license for up to year. That is decided by a separate hearing with the DMV to determine if the officer had probable cause in arresting you. Believe it or not folks, sometimes the officers are (wait for it...)WRONG.
So, right at this very moment, Sheriff Wall is not guilty. (I think it is written somewhere that you are innocent until proven guilty.)
Everyone needs to put away their pitchforks until we can learn more of the facts. Although this being Steamboat and our newspaper's reporting is a wee-bit slanted, the actual facts may be harder to come by.
"We'll see at the end of the day whether or not it works," Lanning said.
What kind of statement is this? Who hires people for a job without conducting interviews? I'm getting a really bad feeling about this one.
I'm more than a bit confused by this moratorium. Does it only cover demolishing and major renovations on houses older than 50 years? What about structural repairs such as a leaky roof?
I think we have to ignore the Mainstreet businesses whining about all of their lost business if a bypass is put through. The people who would be using the bypass are the ones who wouldn't be stopping in town anyway. Once all of the construction downtown is completed (I hope there is an end in sight) a bypass would cut down on the number of trucks that are just trying to get to the other side of town. It would be nice to sit outside at any of the Lincoln Ave restaurants without have to look, hear and smell semi trailers passing by.
I have also heard mention of building a road above the existing train tracks. I'm have no idea of what the logistics would be here, but it doesn't sound like a terrible idea.
City Council needs to stop talking and start working on solutions. Open up the discussion to the public - we should all be able to submit ideas. Maybe a new city council will let us participate more in our city.
I hope all of you who have posted here are voters. This thread has probably been the most intelligent discussion I have ever read on the paper's site.
Some very good points have been raised in regards to anonymity. Lewis and Witt could have remained completely anonymous by posting to this site or creating a blog. Instead they took the route of placing a campaign ad and forming a committee. As yampaman has pointed out, there are laws that must be followed.
I would also like to agree with corduroy - stop the bullying and get down to business.
It's time for change - do not re-elect any of the incumbents.
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