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Carpool is still there and in business plus they opened another restaurant on Washington Blvd. a few blocks away.
Like seeuski I lived in Arlington on 9/11 and still do, and my wife worked for the Air Force and was in the Pentagon that day. I have read the official reports as well as many of the conspiracy items and it is clear there is nothing to support the conspiracy.
Chemical Ali post so many items as being facts, but where have they been verified by any peer reviewed or credible source? A sample of one of his most recent posts: "CS Number 6; Three F-16s assigned to Andrews Air Force Base, ten miles from Washington, DC, are conducting training exercises in North Carolina 207 miles away as the first plane crashes into the WTC. Even at significantly less than their top speed of 1500 mph, they could still have defended the skies over Washington well before 9am, more than 37 minutes before Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, however, they did not return until after 9:55am.
Andrews AFB had no armed fighters on alert and ready to take off on the morning of 9/11."
While presented as fact, the truth is there are no fighter jets assigned to Andrews Air Force base. Transport aircraft and Air Force One are the types of aircraft at this facility. The nearest fighter base is Langley Air Force base in Hampton, VA nearly 200 miles away. The days of fighter jets at multiple bases on alert and ready to go at a moments notice went away with the end of the cold war. My source for this, my wife, a retired colonel from the Air Force who coordinated maintenance on fighters through out her career.
The post states that the fighters could have been in Washington well before 9 a.m. to defend the skies over DC. You need to check your facts Chemical Ali. The first plane hit the WTC at 8:45 and the second plane did not hit the WTC until 9:03. Until the second plane hit the assumption was it was a tragic accident, not a terrorist attack. So how would it be reasonable to make a decision and get planes to DC"well before 9 am" when there was no idea of an attack until after 9:03 when the second plane hit the WTC?
This is just one example of something that Chemical Ali has posted as being fact of a conspiracy because no fighters were scrambled within minutes of the WTC being hit. The reality is it takes time to obtain information, process the information, and then decide what is the response. Second the supposed fighters available at Andrews AFB didn't exist. The closest fighters were not in a hot standby mode of operation so therefore it takes time to assemble a crew and ready an aircraft.
So the conspiracy folks keep believing anything written rather than looking into the facts. A simple check of the timeline of events destroys CS Number 6.
50 states times 2 senators per state equals 100 the last time I was in second grade.
There are definitely some decent fares for flying into Hayden. I just checked for friends coming in from Dayton, OH and was able to find $220 round trip one stop flights. About $330 to fly in from Washington, DC so much better than in some years when best fares were in the $500 or more range.
The WSSAP may have been fifteen years in the making but it was last updated in June 2006 so it is rather erroneous to say the plan is 15 years old, out of date, and shouldn't be considered. It would appear the process that has been followed in developing the WSSAP is a logical and well thought out plan that has had significant opportunity to receive input from the community at large. While to the layman it may seem counterintuitive, higher density developments such as the SB 700 development actually provide for much more efficient transportation solutions, creating less traffic per unit by concentrating trips in a smaller area, and can better support alternative modes of transportation. These lessons of urban planning have been experienced throughout the country and those that have been successful have followed a similar approach to that which Steamboat has undertaken for the past 15 years.
Any ideas that transit can be used to support travel in a sparsely populated area is pure lunacy. Transit currently only accounts for about 2% of the trips in Steamboat. Without high density development the cost per rider to extend transit service to some of the proposed outlying areas as mentioned by Aichempty would be an enormous burden on the taxpayers.
There are numerous examples of areas that have tried to minimize growth and limit the size of development and the result has been urban sprawl that generates significantly more traffic without any individual development large enough to contribute significant dollars to the needed infrastructure improvements. The problems on US 40 already exist and will only continue to get worse with little probability of additional funding without SB 700. As a transportation professional with 30 years of experience I fully support the annexation of SB 700 as being in the best long term interest of the Steamboat area.
I have a second home in Steamboat and hope to eventually retire there, and have nothing personally to gain from the project, but would hope that all of the hard and thoughtful work that has gone into both the WSSAP and the SB700 annexation agreement is not wasted based on unfounded fears in the community. The areas that have adequately planned for their future growth in ways similar to the WSSAP and SB700 have been able to manage the growth and minimize the impacts much more successfully than those that failed to plan or tried to limit growth.
Very good op-ed piece in today's Washington Post regarding Obama's shortcomings so far in office.
The concerns during the campaign of his inexperience and not ready for prime time are unfortunately being displayed in most of his actions to date.
Amazing that someone who was originally claiming it was a guided missile that took out the Pentagon is now posting eyewitness accounts of an airplane flying overhead and into the Pentagon to support his conspiracy theory. All of the witness say it was an airplane. Are there minor differences in eyewitness accounts of the flight path, yes but that is typical for almost any event. Ask 20 people and you are likely to get 20 different versions of what they saw. Particularly when the plane is flying overhead at approximately 750 feet per second.
Previous posts by Chemical Ali that the damage to the exterior of the Pentagon from an airplane should look the same as the WTC show a total lack of understanding of basic physics. The exterior of the WTC consisting of glass and a thin metal shell is going to react completely different than the concrete walls faced with limestone of the Pentagon. Trying to compare airline wreckage photos from other crash scenes when the planes were on approach traveling at less than 200 mph, pilots are trying to save the plane and the energy is dissipated over an expansive area, with one being flown with accelerating speed into a massive concrete structure at anywhere from 300 - 450 mph is going to be completely different. Again shear ignorance to think they should look the same.
It is apparent a village is missing its idiot and unfortunately he has landed on the Pilot blog.
One of the advantages of the bump outs is that is cuts down on the pedestrian crossing time and reduces the amount of time from the signal cycle that needs to be given to the side street. In most cases along Lincoln this is going to be the determining factor rather than the volume of traffic on the side street. There is a national standards for pedestrian walking speed used to calculate the crossing time which is being lowered which would require even longer crossing times if the signals were not already using the new standard. For turns from Lincoln to the side streets, these should be originating from the right travel lane so the bump out should have minimal impact on the available turning radius. Right turns from the side street are likely to present the shortest available turning radius, but with two lanes on Lincoln to receive the turns this should not create a major impediment if the bump outs are designed properly. I will also be curious though to see how the snow plows maneuver around them and how long they hold up.
You can believe your sources I will believe the credible scientific and engineering experts such as this one from MIT http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/eagar-0112.html and others from the American Society of Civil Engineers. The National Institute of Standards and Technology information also provides a fully peer reviewed logical explanation for the collapse of Towers 1 & 2 in this link. http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm. The final report for building 7 which evaluated the demolition theory also provides the credible and peer reviewed analysis of what actually caused the failure. http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf. There were definitely firsts with the collapse of Building 7 that not been witnessed before, however the scientific evidence still defeats any argument that it was a result of planted explosives and determines that heat related stress and differential failure ultimately brought the building down. All credible scientific and engineering organizations have supported these conclusions, regarding both the WTC collapse, and the impact on the Pentagon.
While hearsay, I will also believe the first hand accounts of clients I have known for years who work at the Virginia DOT Traffic Operations Center located on Columbia Pike 0.6 miles from the impact area of the Pentagon who happened to be standing in the parking lot when the American flight flew overhead at extremely low altitude heading towards the Pentagon. No flights into National airport ever follow this path or travel at this low of an altitude. I will also believe the photos of aircraft engine parts, landing gear, wheel drums, damage to facilities outside the Pentagon from impact of the wings and engines, DNA evidence of the victims of the crash, and the portion of the airplane fuselage strewn on the ground outside. But if the conspiracy theorists still want to believe in pure fiction, dream on keep and enjoying whatever substance brings you to this delusional state of mind.
On 9-11 I was on an 8:00 a.m. flight out of Boston Logan airport leaving out of Terminal B, same time and location as one of the planes hitting the WTC. While I was in the air, my wife, a colonel in the Air Force at the time, was working in the Pentagon, integrally involved with the highest levels of the Air Force. With the passengers unaware of what was occurring in NY, my flight landed at Regan National only minutes before the Pentagon was struck. As National airport was being evacuated I saw the plume of smoke rising from the Pentagon and heard from other passengers leaving the airport that the WTC had been hit. My wife was two sides removed from the impact area in the Pentagon so we were both extremely fortunate to have survived that day and we will NEVER forget what happened and who was responsible.
The factual errors that have been posted here supporting a conspiracy are too laughable and numerous to even comment upon. Where are all the passengers on Flight 77, hidden away in the desert along with the UFOs? Anyone who could actually believe a conspiracy of such magnitude could be executed involving so many different levels of government and could be kept secret this long must be totally deranged. You are in extreme need of mental help. To even consider that so many members of our military, who put their lives on the line each and every day to protect our freedom, including your ability to post absolute trash, would ever be involved in attacking and killing thousands of their countrymen is total lunacy.
Let us never forget those that perished that day, and those that have sacrificed their lives since then in fighting this global war on terror. While 9-11 brought it front and center we have been engaged in it long before and unfortunately we will need to stay engaged for the foreseeable future to protect our freedom.
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