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"That Bush/Cheney era study has been debunked on other accounts as well"
See lewi, you've answered your own question. The study, 3 years of which were done under the Bush administration, has been debunked, according to you. The EPA is a politically motivated arm of the executive branch and you just told me the study which was done under Bush /Cheney wasn't worth anything because of that fact. That is precisely what I've been saying. Leave it to the a-political regulators of the states, rather than turn it over it to WA bureaucrats who sway with the political wind.
As for Pavillion WY, there is nothing to sue a billion dollar company for, that I know of. It's fairly expensive to "lawyer up" if you have no reason to. . There are many questions surrounding this study too, it's relevance to other parts of the country, not to mention the EPA's agenda, under this administration.
Sledneck, I've thought about that too. There are millions of acres of BLM land (just BLM) at least half of which are off limits to drilling. If they are open for drilling there are lawsuits from greeeenies, rules regulations, and studies to be conducted. All of which make it very expensive to drill on public lands. No wonder there's more drilling on private land and closer to where people live.
"But it does suggest you support the Frac Act, which removes those exemptions"
Huh? Hell will probably freeze over before I agree with much of anything Polis or Degette promote or say.
Ritter, Mr Green, even disagreed with their bill:
Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter Jr. said in a Denver address that he asked US Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) to seek a comprehensive study of hydraulic fracturing “instead of jumping directly to a new and potential intrusive regulatory program.”
I'm not the only one that says fracking is sufficiently regulated and safe.
From the EPA's 4 year study which was concluded in 2004.
"As in its August 2002 draft report, EPA has concluded that
additional or further study is not warranted at this time. In making this decision, EPA reviewed more
than 200 peer-reviewed publications, other research, and public comments. The Agency has
concluded that the injection of hydraulic fracturing fluids into CBM wells poses minimal threat to
Lisa Jackson's statement:
"Because then civil lawsuits will be replaced by criminal investigations"
Do tell!!! Maybe we can then criminalize all the enablers of these bad bad well derrick folks. You know the people that insist on staying warm, cooking their food and taking a hot shower. In fact send all the builders of those domiciles to jail for putting the forbidden fruit within their reach. hahahaha.
Good grief Lewi, your argument loses any amount of credibility when you say something like this.
RWR do what ever you like, test or don't test I don't care. You did notice the link I put up concerning water testing, since you are so concerned. It's somewhat interesting.
Fred, I agree.
Here is a bit of good news IMO anyway.
"...a bill allowing the Public Utilities Commission (PUC) the discretion to roll back Colorado’s 30 percent renewable energy mandate if the PUC determines that the cost would be detrimental to ratepayers."
I agree with everything you said ybul.
"Oil and gas transports and injects “trade secret” toxins in this valley.
They have exemptions from the Acts of Congress that protect our Routt water and air.
Want to discuss that?"
We've discussed it ad-nauseum. The COGCC has a comprehensive set of rules, descibed, in fact, as some of the most comprehensive in the nation in regards to fracking. It regulates the energy to a satisfactory degree here in CO and does not require the heavy handed political approach of the feds.
It seems to me this argument parallels the requirment by HHS for all insurance companies to provide free bc. It's believed by some on the left, erroneously , that if this measure isn't upheld women will be deprived of their right to contraceptives.
If the EPA doesn't regulate G&O production under it's various acts, it does not mean that there isn't regulation in place.
Baseline well testing isn't that expensive why wouldn't you get it done yourself, prior to drilling, I would, if I were near a drilling rig.
The good news for Paonia residents is that at least they have put a hold on expansion of the coal mine near Somerset, that FD was talking about. Yeah, that'll help the job market and by default the housing market.
Lewi, you only look at the negative and refuse to see any positives of energy production.
Real estate prices have dropped to ridiculous levels for instance. Not in North Dakota, Illiston ND, is the 6th fastest growing small town in America according to Forbes magazine. I 'm fairly certain it's not because of the weather. This boom has in turn caused a boomlet in AZ as people from ND look for places to invest their money.
Was this the only information on water usage you could find. This is the other side.
"“4 million gallons per well sounds like a lot,” said Range Resources’ Matt Pitzarella, “but even if we tripled our expected usage, we’d [still use] less than one half of one percent of the state’s [water consumption.] We would be less than golf courses.”
“We could frack 100,000 wells,” Pitzarella continued, “and use less than a third of one percent of the water that’s in Lake Erie alone.”
The EPA says "70 to 140 billion gallons of water are pumped into 35 thousand of fracking wells annually"
The average golf course here in the US uses around 100 thousand to 1 million gallons of water per day during the summer. There are about 17 or 18 thousand golf courses in the US. Think about it.... Aren't you alarmed?
Since the new technology of gelled propane is beginning to make headway, the water issue could be off the table eventually anyway. Of course there are the problems
of cost, and worker safety, although both of those issues are being addressed.
Yes this is a level playing field, in fact it may be tipped in favor of the anti-energy crowd. Environmentalists have as big of a war chest as the gas and oil companies, and have cost this country billions, as well as lost jobs.
Their latest tactic, the sage grouse.
I'm recommending meditation.
I'm pleased to see Tina's candidacy too!
Lewi, I saw your post and am thinking about it. I'll see if I'm up to a big ol debate with you. ;-) or if I have the time.
I'm still trying to figure out (and agree with you, Scott W. about the message, I suppose it's a time constraint issue) if the q word is a banned word here.... or something My newly revised comment hasn't been deleted, so I assume that was the problem. Oddly, (not gonna use the q word) it isn't on the list of 7 banned words according to Carlin, I didn't call anybody a q word, and I used it in an appropriate manner. Just wonderin' .....
Sedgemo, I think you have good questions and concerns which can't be answered without the help of someone that understands the law, or industry. Sometimes it seems we are just flailing around , trying to get answers, but unsure about the truth. That's what I want is the truth but we are not getting it from sites such as the Routt COunty frac.org. or the Community Alliance.
Hmmmm??? My comment was deleted, without what may have been the offending word (queer, meaning odd) it will be more acceptable, so here it is again. Maybe that wasn't the offense, I don't know. It would be nice to know though.
First we have lewi telling us we need the EPA to step in and take over the regulation of fracking, then he links us to a petition that calls for more local control. So which is it, do we want a federal agancy one size fits all solution, or more local control?
Then there is the breathless, I'll refrain from hyserical, claim of over 1,000 spills statewide in 2 years. Honestabe ask the effect of these spills, no answer....
The fact is, all spills regardless of size must be reported.
"It is worth emphasizing that these containment, investigation, and clean up requirements apply to all spills and releases, regardless of their size or when they occurred or were discovered."
Then there is the Routt County Frac site. Fine, but you are not educating yourself by reading that, only one side is being told and that side is obviously biased and not scientifically based. As for bandmama's comments, I can't figure out what she is saying, wish I could.
Sedgemo, there are well qualified lawyers in Routt county that could answer your questions about surface rights, including a scientist that graduated from the School of Mines. I'd suggest asking someone with that expertise.
Or perhaps the Pilot would do a balanced series on the subject......
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