Lewi, you only look at the negative and refuse to see any positives of energy production.
Real estate prices have dropped to ridiculous levels for instance. Not in North Dakota, Illiston ND, is the 6th fastest growing small town in America according to Forbes magazine. I 'm fairly certain it's not because of the weather. This boom has in turn caused a boomlet in AZ as people from ND look for places to invest their money.
Was this the only information on water usage you could find. This is the other side.
"“4 million gallons per well sounds like a lot,” said Range Resources’ Matt Pitzarella, “but even if we tripled our expected usage, we’d [still use] less than one half of one percent of the state’s [water consumption.] We would be less than golf courses.”
“We could frack 100,000 wells,” Pitzarella continued, “and use less than a third of one percent of the water that’s in Lake Erie alone.” http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvan... The EPA says "70 to 140 billion gallons of water are pumped into 35 thousand of fracking wells annually" The average golf course here in the US uses around 100 thousand to 1 million gallons of water per day during the summer. There are about 17 or 18 thousand golf courses in the US. Think about it.... Aren't you alarmed?
Since the new technology of gelled propane is beginning to make headway, the water issue could be off the table eventually anyway. Of course there are the problems of cost, and worker safety, although both of those issues are being addressed. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/1...
Yes this is a level playing field, in fact it may be tipped in favor of the anti-energy crowd. Environmentalists have as big of a war chest as the gas and oil companies, and have cost this country billions, as well as lost jobs. Their latest tactic, the sage grouse.
Lewi, I saw your post and am thinking about it. I'll see if I'm up to a big ol debate with you. ;-) or if I have the time. I'm still trying to figure out (and agree with you, Scott W. about the message, I suppose it's a time constraint issue) if the q word is a banned word here.... or something My newly revised comment hasn't been deleted, so I assume that was the problem. Oddly, (not gonna use the q word) it isn't on the list of 7 banned words according to Carlin, I didn't call anybody a q word, and I used it in an appropriate manner. Just wonderin' .....
Sedgemo, I think you have good questions and concerns which can't be answered without the help of someone that understands the law, or industry. Sometimes it seems we are just flailing around , trying to get answers, but unsure about the truth. That's what I want is the truth but we are not getting it from sites such as the Routt COunty frac.org. or the Community Alliance.
Hmmmm??? My comment was deleted, without what may have been the offending word (queer, meaning odd) it will be more acceptable, so here it is again. Maybe that wasn't the offense, I don't know. It would be nice to know though.
First we have lewi telling us we need the EPA to step in and take over the regulation of fracking, then he links us to a petition that calls for more local control. So which is it, do we want a federal agancy one size fits all solution, or more local control? Then there is the breathless, I'll refrain from hyserical, claim of over 1,000 spills statewide in 2 years. Honestabe ask the effect of these spills, no answer.... The fact is, all spills regardless of size must be reported. "It is worth emphasizing that these containment, investigation, and clean up requirements apply to all spills and releases, regardless of their size or when they occurred or were discovered." (www.cogcc.state.co.us) Then there is the Routt County Frac site. Fine, but you are not educating yourself by reading that, only one side is being told and that side is obviously biased and not scientifically based. As for bandmama's comments, I can't figure out what she is saying, wish I could. Sedgemo, there are well qualified lawyers in Routt county that could answer your questions about surface rights, including a scientist that graduated from the School of Mines. I'd suggest asking someone with that expertise. Or perhaps the Pilot would do a balanced series on the subject......
Kyle, the point was not really that DMB (as you put it) will sponser legislation to ban gas and oil exploration in CO if she is elected. That's obviously not a reality. The point was; Sun seems to think that people's legal private property rights can be put on a ballot and voted on. She wants to ban G&O in Routt county, so I was trying to tell her how it legally (although highly unlikely) might be done. Of course unelected bureaucrats, in the form of the EPA, could change all that with their decisions.
mmmk The last time you said something about putting it on the ballot, I mentioned private property rights. Apparently that's not something of interest to you, but it is to me. Private property rights, including mineral right ownership is protected by a series of laws which can't be altered though a ballot measure. In other words this is not a democracy where the tyranny of the majority rules. Since we have elected representatives that create and pass legislation that would probably be your best bet. If Mitsch-Busch (sp) is elected than see if she will sponser legislation to ban gas and oil exploration is CO. Or try to change regulatory rules at the COGCC. Good Luck. I also wanted to say I agree with Scott, things like commissions, studies and the like are delay tactics. Something that professional environmentalist are very good at
The good ole USA. Debt is over 100% of GDP and we still have plenty of money to fund 90% of Public Transporation for a wealthy town like SS. with the caveat that a fee can't be charged. Maybe I'm not as optimistic for the future of this country as I thought. ..but who would of known except for an anonymous poster?
Steve Lewis: Is fracking safe?
Lewi, you only look at the negative and refuse to see any positives of energy production.
Real estate prices have dropped to ridiculous levels for instance. Not in North Dakota, Illiston ND, is the 6th fastest growing small town in America according to Forbes magazine. I 'm fairly certain it's not because of the weather. This boom has in turn caused a boomlet in AZ as people from ND look for places to invest their money.
Was this the only information on water usage you could find. This is the other side.
"“4 million gallons per well sounds like a lot,” said Range Resources’ Matt Pitzarella, “but even if we tripled our expected usage, we’d [still use] less than one half of one percent of the state’s [water consumption.] We would be less than golf courses.”
“We could frack 100,000 wells,” Pitzarella continued, “and use less than a third of one percent of the water that’s in Lake Erie alone.”
http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvan...
The EPA says "70 to 140 billion gallons of water are pumped into 35 thousand of fracking wells annually"
The average golf course here in the US uses around 100 thousand to 1 million gallons of water per day during the summer. There are about 17 or 18 thousand golf courses in the US. Think about it.... Aren't you alarmed?
Since the new technology of gelled propane is beginning to make headway, the water issue could be off the table eventually anyway. Of course there are the problems
of cost, and worker safety, although both of those issues are being addressed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/1...
Yes this is a level playing field, in fact it may be tipped in favor of the anti-energy crowd. Environmentalists have as big of a war chest as the gas and oil companies, and have cost this country billions, as well as lost jobs.
Their latest tactic, the sage grouse.
February 11, 2012 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chuck Abbott: Quacks like a duck
I'm recommending meditation.
February 10, 2012 at 5:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tina Kyprios announces candidacy for District 2 commissioner
I'm pleased to see Tina's candidacy too!
February 10, 2012 at 3:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve Lewis: Is fracking safe?
Lewi, I saw your post and am thinking about it. I'll see if I'm up to a big ol debate with you. ;-) or if I have the time.
I'm still trying to figure out (and agree with you, Scott W. about the message, I suppose it's a time constraint issue) if the q word is a banned word here.... or something My newly revised comment hasn't been deleted, so I assume that was the problem. Oddly, (not gonna use the q word) it isn't on the list of 7 banned words according to Carlin, I didn't call anybody a q word, and I used it in an appropriate manner. Just wonderin' .....
Sedgemo, I think you have good questions and concerns which can't be answered without the help of someone that understands the law, or industry. Sometimes it seems we are just flailing around , trying to get answers, but unsure about the truth. That's what I want is the truth but we are not getting it from sites such as the Routt COunty frac.org. or the Community Alliance.
February 8, 2012 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve Lewis: Is fracking safe?
Hmmmm??? My comment was deleted, without what may have been the offending word (queer, meaning odd) it will be more acceptable, so here it is again. Maybe that wasn't the offense, I don't know. It would be nice to know though.
First we have lewi telling us we need the EPA to step in and take over the regulation of fracking, then he links us to a petition that calls for more local control. So which is it, do we want a federal agancy one size fits all solution, or more local control?
Then there is the breathless, I'll refrain from hyserical, claim of over 1,000 spills statewide in 2 years. Honestabe ask the effect of these spills, no answer....
The fact is, all spills regardless of size must be reported.
"It is worth emphasizing that these containment, investigation, and clean up requirements apply to all spills and releases, regardless of their size or when they occurred or were discovered."
(www.cogcc.state.co.us)
Then there is the Routt County Frac site. Fine, but you are not educating yourself by reading that, only one side is being told and that side is obviously biased and not scientifically based. As for bandmama's comments, I can't figure out what she is saying, wish I could.
Sedgemo, there are well qualified lawyers in Routt county that could answer your questions about surface rights, including a scientist that graduated from the School of Mines. I'd suggest asking someone with that expertise.
Or perhaps the Pilot would do a balanced series on the subject......
February 8, 2012 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve Lewis: Is fracking safe?
This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.
February 8, 2012 at 8:03 a.m. ( permalink )
Our View: Pay freeze has long-term impact
Cindy....two thumbs up.... Standing ovation from the hinterland.
February 5, 2012 at 1:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Ben Beall: The missing piece
Kyle, the point was not really that DMB (as you put it) will sponser legislation to ban gas and oil exploration in CO if she is elected. That's obviously not a reality.
The point was; Sun seems to think that people's legal private property rights can be put on a ballot and voted on. She wants to ban G&O in Routt county, so I was trying to tell her how it legally (although highly unlikely) might be done.
Of course unelected bureaucrats, in the form of the EPA, could change all that with their decisions.
February 4, 2012 at 8:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Ben Beall: The missing piece
mmmk The last time you said something about putting it on the ballot, I mentioned private property rights. Apparently that's not something of interest to you, but it is to me.
Private property rights, including mineral right ownership is protected by a series of laws which can't be altered though a ballot measure. In other words this is not a democracy where the tyranny of the majority rules. Since we have elected representatives that create and pass legislation that would probably be your best bet. If Mitsch-Busch (sp) is elected than see if she will sponser legislation to ban gas and oil exploration is CO. Or try to change regulatory rules at the COGCC. Good Luck.
I also wanted to say I agree with Scott, things like commissions, studies and the like are delay tactics. Something that professional environmentalist are very good at
February 2, 2012 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Our View: Dollar Game fun but don’t expect much
The good ole USA. Debt is over 100% of GDP and we still have plenty of money to fund 90% of Public Transporation for a wealthy town like SS. with the caveat that a fee can't be charged. Maybe I'm not as optimistic for the future of this country as I thought.
..but who would of known except for an anonymous poster?
February 2, 2012 at 6:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )