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Seriously Scott? I mean, really? Way to end a sweet funny story about one of Steamboat's fun family and community events with your personal political rant. Keep it in your own back yard please. I hope everyone has a happy and safe halloween!
Cindy, the development is not happening now, it is happening over decades, this provides for decades of controlled development, controlled by the City. You have all been here in the cycles, or perhaps, maybe some of you represent growth and you have not been here long enough to see the cycles. Remember when you couldn't find a rental property in the paper? In history, this is always in a cycle. The economy WILL pick up, people WILL move here and we will follow American cycles of wealth and recession just like for the last 100 hundred years! Please get your blinders off about this being built in the next 2-5 years, it will take 2 years just to get it through the City planning process! Head out of the sand! Opportunity for the future of Steamboat!
I have seen around the place that the Committee for Good4Steamboat has a website and it does have good info on it, www.good4steamboat.com for those of you like me who want more info so I can make an educated vote, rather than a vote based on "Most Steamboat people I have talked to", because most of them don't know the facts either and we could miss a really big opportunity here to get some smokin hot deals on infrastructure, roads, parks, trails, transport, affordable housing etc
One thing you guys are forgetting about the traffic issues.... There is no plan by the City to push millions into addressing the issue, and even if there may be a draft kicking around, what are they funding it with? When growth happens without Steamboat 700, it will go to outlying communities such as Hayden and Craig. This will increase traffic through that corridor, with no one having any ability to address it. These guys (S700) offer funding to address traffic which not only addresses their development but has the trickle down benefit to those already in Hayden and Craig who have to commute.
And as for growth, some people need to wake up a bit. I am tired of people who have been here less than 10 years saying that growth can't happen and shouldn't happen. You ARE growth! Most of the anti growth people represent growth to people who were here 20+ years ago. How do you feel about their right to tell you to piss off and go back to where you came from?
People of Steamboat, have faith in your elected leaders and qualified City staff and multitudes of professionals who have ALREADY APPROVED this annexation.
I agree. We should trust our elected council members and city staff who have spent so much time thoroughly researching this annexation before they approved it. It is so important that we don't miss this opportunity for Steamboat's future. I don't want everyone to have to commute from "downvalley" to come in to this town and serve the second home owners. We need to leave our community vibrant and full of local business people and families all day and week long, rather than shipping them back out to outlying communities at 5pm each day. I agree on your comment about showing us how the opponents plan for the expected growth to be absorbed, perhaps they prefer for us to lose some of our ag land, and they prefer to see Strawberry Park, South Valley floor and Emerald mountain become developed. Perhaps they prefer to see haphazard growth where no developer has a vested interest in providing and paying for infrastructure. There are so many benefits to the WSSAP annexation that was already approved and is so heavily endorsed. I hope we can make it stick because it makes me sick to my stomach to think of all the opportunity we will lose if it goes away.
Dude, you're killing me.
1. Seriously, do you think you are the only one to factor these calculations into the equation? Do you think you are the only one making calculations on transfer tax revenue? Do you really think you are the first person to have thought about these points you raise? You really do have a God complex. Remember the entirety of the package, not just parts you choose to isolate. It is clear that you do not understand the entirety of the Annexation Agreement. 15 years of creating the WSSAP, 3 years analyzing and creating the Annexation Agreement to match it to the WSSAP goals and you are now accusing all those people involved in the approval of committing financial fraud, how deep is the hole you want to dig here for yourself?
2. Naughty, bad aichempty. You have assumed that because I likely have a business in steamboat due to my name, and that I am intelligent, that I am male. Hmmm, maybe you should rest your case now just to stop embarrassing yourself.
Sorry Aichempty, I just need to actually discredit you and your opinion, because I don't really value what you say if you chose to respond to my above post anyway.
In your comment below you discredit the over 5000 hours of City Staff time, 300 hours of open public meetings, and our elected government officials decision to approve the Steamboat 700 Annexation:
"the only people behind this project outside of the ones being paid to push it through are people who don't understand how to do the simple math necessary to deal with the facts."
So you state here that our City Council members are a bunch of idiots, as well as the city planners, staff and legal team. Wow. Big call. Brave of you to say that John Quinn can't do math, strong stance to take to call Walter Magill and Loui Antonucci idiots, and wow, just ballsy to call John Eastman and Tom Leeson and their teams a bunch of twits. Oh, not to forget also the editorial staff at the Pilot, we can't forget those stupid people too who supported it in this article: http://bit.ly/ueRnw. Oh, and as for those dummies over at the Routt County Board of Commissioners, Steamboat Springs School District, and Yampa Valley Housing Authority, they also can't possibly know what they are talking about when they endorse the approved Annexation because, well, Aichempty has read the Annexation Agreement and doesn't like it, and he went to a GOOD business school, so we better stop it!
I think Aich- Empty that you make my brain Aich with the Empty arguments you put in your blogs, and I choose to believe and support my elected officials and hundreds of other intelligent professionals who have researched, worked countless hours on, supported and endorsed the smart annexation approval decision made by the City Council in October 2009.
Aich, in all your negative responses, I don' t think I have ever come across you offering a solution to our towns problems. If you address a problem, offer a solution to it, otherwise you are just whining. So, with all the people now forced to move to outlying communities because they can't afford to live here, with a direct result being increased traffic in the City and County, how do you propose to resolve this? What is your solution to the degradation of our community feel? How do you propose affordable housing be addressed in this community, or should only the rich such as yourself be allowed to live here? (Is this your motivation- to keep only you and your rich friends here and the working class riff raff out?) What is your solution to growth which is predicted by government powers even higher than your own self appointed authority? Every single issue that Steamboat 700 addresses, how do you plan to address all of them hmm? Let's hear you if you actually have something constructive to offer.
Just fyi, over a 20-30 year period, Steamboat 700 proposes building the equivalent of only 9% of what we have currently as residential units (14,000 current residential units). So over 20-30 years we can manage the growth in one area rather than prevent sprawl? Sign me up. Remember the City has control of approx. 400 of the 2000 units as affordable housing. I found good info at the City website in The Steamboat 700 Annexation Summary, check it out: http://steamboatsprings.net/sites/default/files/page/3121/Steamboat%20700%20Annexation%20Summary091609rev.pdf
I am so happy personally that Council voted in favor of the Annexation. I moved to Steamboat from a very long way, and have lived here 10 years so far. I am glad I now have the opportunity to live in new construction affordable and attainable housing. I can't wait for them to be offered on the market, and I know a lot of my friends in town are also chomping at the bit to get on lists for first offers to buy attainable and affordable housing, and they likely won't get on the market quick enough to match the demand. Good job council, for looking after our future, and believing in the competency of future councils to ensure that the people of Steamboat have OPPORTUNITY that no longer exists in other Colorado resort towns. I thank you.
Definitely more people need to read the Annexation Agreement which is posted on the City website to answer your questions and get facts. Wiki: "Fear is an emotional response to a threat.... fear is related to the specific behaviors of escape and avoidance....Worth noting is that fear always relates to future events..."
Lots of people fear traffic, they fear over development, they fear THE UNKNOWN. There is nothing unknown in the Annexation Agreement, it is all in black and white. For those of you who fear growth, if you have lived here less time than since the day you were born (IE: you moved here) YOU... ARE... GROWTH. Too bad if someone had stopped YOU having a right to live here.
If you fear traffic, really THINK about it. You put more people in the outer areas in the future, they have to commute to get here to work and play and volunteer, no-one is around to help subsidize road improvement - you really believe your traffic is going to get better? Remember, S700 is not only revenue neutral, it brings with it tens of millions of dollars of improvement of infrastructure inside AND outside the Annexation area. Where's Wildhorse's money for improving roads and fire houses? Where's Ski Time Square and Edgemont's money going to schools and parks? Barn Village, how much was their check for improved facilities? Yes all these base area developments had to pay for public benefit and some affordable housing, which I think I read somewhere is collectively less than $10M, but look at all the density impact they will have and nothing from them for infrastructure improvements, at least certainly not on the scale of S700 offerings. Again, S700 will provide as part of the Annexation Agreement, tens of millions of dollars worth of public benefit and infrastructure improvement.
To the petitioners: Many of the people who most want to vote on S700 are not allowed to vote because they are county residents. Do you not care about ALL the people who it affects? The City voters are mostly uneducated on the specifics of the Annexation Agreement, to be able to make a decision which affects the entire county. I challenge you to go and speak to County residents as well to get a true barometer of education and interest on this topic, or maybe that doesn't serve your purpose so it's a waste of time?
Remember: 15 acres - 400 units will go to the City for Affordable Housing, another 30% HAS TO be within the attainable parameters. The remaining % will be attainable simply due to this: if YOU were going to buy an $800,000 townhome, would you choose the one at the base of the ski area, or the one with the neighbors kids running across your yard that takes a drive across town to get to the ski area for your holiday. Why on earth would the developer want to build a bunch of high end properties out in the relative boonies, and try to compete with slopeside and downtown prices? He'll never sell them. If he builds units people can afford, he will sell them. No brainer.
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