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Thanks. I think I give up trying. I agree with the balanced approach, but I also have a glimmer of hope for something else. I firmly believe societies and culture choose what they want as guiding principles. We have chosen as one of ours unrestricted profit at any cost and have influenced the rest of the world in following that. We have also chosen guiding principles that are very positive-hard work, loyalty, compassion, and many more. It is the greed, however, that is the powerful driver of our culture. I think it is a very small number in our country/world, but we allow them to have all the power. I believe we can choose a different driver. One based on planet, people, profit. If we did this, I also believe the rest of the world would follow. That is my hope.
It is a residential program located in a town of 375 pop. My first few years we pulled from anywhere west of the MIssissippi. Then we went to CO only with only very special exceptions The students lived with us 24/7/365 for up to 2 1/2 yrs. I was part of the management team for 22 of the 25 yrs. Even had a few kids from SBS and quite a few from Craig/Meeker. I would not say city are more at risk, but the risks are different from rural kids. The poverty in rural CO is pretty high and wherever there is a high amt of poverty, there is substantial risk. I'm not a Dem or a Rep. As Treebeard said in LOR…."I'm not on anybody's side altogether because no one is altogether on my side." Hope is a critical element to any type of success and I tried to help instill it in young folks for most my life. I am trying to stop the "crusader" role, but it's been quite a difficult journey for me. After 6+ yrs I still slip into it and for that I apologize. That being said, I will never apologize for having hope, for everyone on this merry-a-go-round. (I do, however, loose hope on individuals, such as certain posters on these forums)
Insults towards me are one thing…. towards my son and you are quickly approaching very dangerous ground. My son asked no one to fend for him, never needed anyone to fend for him and he is far from poor in any way. He did not lose his job, he left it for a better option. He worked the patch for 5+ yrs, that's all. YOU, however are a jerk and a rude, crude excuse for a human being. I have tried to have reasonable discussions with you and all you do is rant. Well rant on……...
You bet he worked there of his own choice…. a hard lesson learned. Doesn't matter what the tax rate is if most don't pay anywhere near it. As far as regulation, the House makes sure there isn't adequate funding to enforce most of them and it you want to see an example of little/no environmental regs….again, see Bejing air/water/soil quality. Sorry, on a rig site OSHA doesn't exist. Get hurt, lose your job. See safety issues and report it, lose your job. That's the reality. As I've said to you before, nobody is forcing the capitalist to hire these "imported illegals" except their own greed, no loyalty to the country or it's citizens. Profit above all else. The size of the patch doesn't matter, it's the destruction it causes……. and the resources it uses….. water, water, water. You can assume what you want about what the workers in those third world countries think, but when you are held prisoner to your job, work in toxic, unsafe environments and have absolutely no rights, sounds like slave labor to me. Instead of using our infuence to "raise all boats", we allow these countries to use their citizens as "bic lighters" to be disposed of when no longer able to make them a profit. I suspect Saudi's willingness to continue production levels despite a drop in demand had a lot to do with the current oil prices. What's the rig count now campared to 2 yrs ago? Growth does not require destruction. Just because folks (myself included) have priorities different from YOU does not mean they are anti-growth, religious environmentalist or whatever box you want to put them in. Maybe they simply want their children and grand children to have a habitable planet….. just maybe. To capitalist like yourself, maximized profit at all cost. All else is secondary. Always educational chatting with you.
He didn't have to…..the surge was enough of an expression of how he felt. (indifferent) Stupid is different than "evil" how?? The true axis of evil-Chaney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft. I do agree Bush was a pawn and not the brightest bulb in the drawer. Since when is stupid a valid excuse?
Let me see, the ugliness of rigs or windmills….. I'll take the windmills. Recently took a trip thru Calif. windmills around Ontario….. Ontario aside, I thought the windmills were beautiful. (just my taste, not for everyone, I assume) Same with the ones along I-76 in Iowa. A whole lot better than the rigs in my home area and the water trucks going by constantly….. 5 yrs after the rig competed it's drill. I have never seen you address the water use/waste/disposal invovled with every rig that drills. (millions of gallons per rig) Do you consider that in your "cost analysis" of NG/oil being "cheaper"? Another question….. do you know anyone that does or has done rig work or fracking? Just curious. If you don't, I would love to have you talk with my son. He's done both in the great ND wasteland. Fortunately, he got out with his life….. his health may be another matter.
I never said I was a social worker and yes, I worked with at risk youth (hate that term they're all "at risk") in a little mtn town…. for 25 yrs. I also did a stint overseas with DOD, thus my experience with terrorist bombings, anti-American protest, etc in a foreign land. I agree R Perry lacks in the intelligence dept and IMHO most, if not all, politicians are callous and heartless. Hillary's callousness only came out in 4 killed, unlike Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and on and on. To send someone else's child in harms way (instead of your own) takes a level of callousness I could never have nor would ever want. IMHO, the first to go to war should be the children of those that authorized it and of those that will profit from it. In the first ground wave…….
I'm trying to understand so let me rephrase to make sure I got it right. It's okay to destroy lives, towns and cities; to take advantage of poor folks in countries that don't have labor protections/environmental regulations, all in the name of higher profits (not simply profits because most, if not all companies that fled were already profitable), BUT, it's not okay if it is an attempt to have a cleaner country/world. Did I get that right? When you talk about coal being cheaper are you including the increase in medical expenses due to lung issues? The impact of burning coal on the atmosphere? The oceans? Claiming that industry moves that cost jobs raised the standard of living by providing cheaper items is, at best, difficult to see. It doesn't matter how low something cost if one lost their job and/or had their income significant reduced. Isn't that the issue from Craig? Lost/reduced income? The loss of income for the middle class in America is not offset (IMHO) by lower the cost of poorly made products from undeveloped countries. Cheaper is not always better (actually rarely is) and not including "hidden" cost is not giving a true picture. Check Bejing's air quality for an example of the "hidden" cost of burning coal. Lastly, let's ask the folks/towns/cities that were destroyed by companies going overseas if the jobs took care of themselves. Considering the drop in income of the middle class, I suspect I can guess what their answer would be. Anyway, thanks for the answer. I suspect I will never be a "free market capitalist"…… at least the way it now works.
Help me out here, Mark. Going with your comment above, what elitists didnt care about the textile industry, electronic industry, furniture industry and all the other industries that left our country for more profit and destroyed lives, towns and cities across our nation. When my career (and the little mtn town I lived in) were on the line (at least 4 times in 25 yrs) I didn't hear anyone coming to the defense or crying about elitist out to destroy lives. Bottomline, folks don't give 2 shakes until it's them.
Jerry-a little disingenuous, no? Under GW Bush 39 attacks or attempted attacks on embassies and/or embassy personnel. Of those, 20 had at least 1 fatality. Total fatalities-87. 63 non-American (do they count?), 3 US civilians, 21 workers of US or unidentified nationality. Number of investigations-0. Those that are stationed overseas (I did 4 1/2 yrs) know it is dangerous, in any country, at any time. Once one leaves the US borders, many, many of the securities we take for granted disappear. I suspect all those stationed in Benghazi knew this and accepted the risk. There have been something like 11 investigations into this with nothing of note found by any of them. I'm not a Hillary fan, but let's try to be somewhat "fair".
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