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You're right. All those "free people" that lost their jobs were just responding to market conditions. They chose to move their jobs to countries that allow human/planet abuse in the name of profits so they could "live off the gubbermint" and/or work for minimum wage. Like I stated in another thread…. it seems okay to ruin cities. towns and lives across America for more profit, but not okay to do it to attempt to mitigate the effects of using our planet as a garbage can. As far as the hypocrisy, their support of the development of alternatives shows that they do not accept the status quo of available energy. (they also use a fair amount of alternative sources for their energy.)
You are a sick man to think anyone "prays" for people to be shot down, anywhere, any place, any time. There is no evidence that "more guns equal less crime". I know many folks that carry 24/7 and if anything ever comes down where they have to use their weapons, I will be just as afraid of their bullets as of any perpetrator's. A bullet doesn't care where it comes from or who it hits. When lead flies, things die.
To cite the Supreme's to refute the influence of the NRA in the "guns in society" issue is to completely ignore the question of said influence , esp when considering the extremely right stance of the Court on most issues. To quote John Lott as the source that more guns are better is to cherry pick and totally ignore the folks that dispute his findings stating that he had significant methodology errors and most probably a political agenda driving his findings. (see armedwithreason.com) We, as a country, are not having the conversation because of the NRA's strangle hold on both House's of Congress, plain and simple. I think the most recent vote on tightening background checks failing with over 80% of the country for it says it all. To ignore the NRA's influence is to ignore campaign finance reality. I'm not questioning the constitutional right to "bear arms". That being said, we as a country have an obligation to discuss why we have the highest rate of gun violence of any industrial country and what, if anything, can be done to reduce the incidents. An honest, factual conversation.
So Brian says "lock'em up" while Ed say Psych treaments are the cause. Whatever. An interesting aside is that it was Reagan that dismanteled the mental health system and put many struggling folks on the street. Laws on the books without the dollars, leadership, and supporting oversight to enforce those laws are worthless. The NRA, via congress, has ensured that laws that could inpact ownership are rendered useless. The AFTE has not had a permanent Dept head for 6 yrs in an effort to stymie any enforcement. Another example is the Tiahrt amendment riders in 2003/2004 that prohibits ATFE from using tracing data to suspend/revoke gun dealers license and authorized background checks to be destroyed after 24 hrs. The NRA's influence in the cutting of funding to CDC to research the effects of guns in our society stops all efforts to indentfy patterns, causative factors, etc that extensive research could provide. The inability of the AFTE to create a registry of gun transactions is another way to stop a possibly very effective intervention. Why can't we have a registry of who owns the gun and hold them responsible for what it's used for? It doesn't have to be kept by the government. Hell, have the religious leaders of the country control it…. who cares, just get it done. Will it solve all gun issues, no. Would it have stopped any mass killings, don't know, but it would be a start. Guns are not the issue, I know. Canadians own more guns per person, yet have many, many times less gun violence. It's the American gunslinger attitude combined with easy access that is one of the issues. Another probable issue is the disenfranchising of a large part of our citizenry…. they feel they just don't have a place at the table, no worth in our country. Bottomline is the NRA contols the conversation regarding the place of guns in our society and their goal is to increase gun sales……. enough said. I don't know the solution, don't know if there is one, but as long as the NRA controls the dialogue (there isn't one), we will never know what is possible. (disclaimer-I owned 7 rifles, still own 1 pistol and hunted deer and elk for many years.)
Paranoia strikes deep. No I don't believe in Agenda 21 or the UN's ability to pull it off even if it was a possibility. You do realize that government, with all it's faults, is probably the only reason you and I are alive? Every game needs referees, rules, procedures, etc. Altho our present government has been corrupted, that doesn't mean the idea should be totally tossed. If I were "king" my first act would be a constitutional convention to get our government in the right century. My second would be anyone attempting to influence a government official or any gov't official appearing to be influenced is exiled with no assets…. or executed. I'd even give them a choice. Take the power out of money…..
Thanks. I think I give up trying. I agree with the balanced approach, but I also have a glimmer of hope for something else. I firmly believe societies and culture choose what they want as guiding principles. We have chosen as one of ours unrestricted profit at any cost and have influenced the rest of the world in following that. We have also chosen guiding principles that are very positive-hard work, loyalty, compassion, and many more. It is the greed, however, that is the powerful driver of our culture. I think it is a very small number in our country/world, but we allow them to have all the power. I believe we can choose a different driver. One based on planet, people, profit. If we did this, I also believe the rest of the world would follow. That is my hope.
It is a residential program located in a town of 375 pop. My first few years we pulled from anywhere west of the MIssissippi. Then we went to CO only with only very special exceptions The students lived with us 24/7/365 for up to 2 1/2 yrs. I was part of the management team for 22 of the 25 yrs. Even had a few kids from SBS and quite a few from Craig/Meeker. I would not say city are more at risk, but the risks are different from rural kids. The poverty in rural CO is pretty high and wherever there is a high amt of poverty, there is substantial risk. I'm not a Dem or a Rep. As Treebeard said in LOR…."I'm not on anybody's side altogether because no one is altogether on my side." Hope is a critical element to any type of success and I tried to help instill it in young folks for most my life. I am trying to stop the "crusader" role, but it's been quite a difficult journey for me. After 6+ yrs I still slip into it and for that I apologize. That being said, I will never apologize for having hope, for everyone on this merry-a-go-round. (I do, however, loose hope on individuals, such as certain posters on these forums)
Insults towards me are one thing…. towards my son and you are quickly approaching very dangerous ground. My son asked no one to fend for him, never needed anyone to fend for him and he is far from poor in any way. He did not lose his job, he left it for a better option. He worked the patch for 5+ yrs, that's all. YOU, however are a jerk and a rude, crude excuse for a human being. I have tried to have reasonable discussions with you and all you do is rant. Well rant on……...
You bet he worked there of his own choice…. a hard lesson learned. Doesn't matter what the tax rate is if most don't pay anywhere near it. As far as regulation, the House makes sure there isn't adequate funding to enforce most of them and it you want to see an example of little/no environmental regs….again, see Bejing air/water/soil quality. Sorry, on a rig site OSHA doesn't exist. Get hurt, lose your job. See safety issues and report it, lose your job. That's the reality. As I've said to you before, nobody is forcing the capitalist to hire these "imported illegals" except their own greed, no loyalty to the country or it's citizens. Profit above all else. The size of the patch doesn't matter, it's the destruction it causes……. and the resources it uses….. water, water, water. You can assume what you want about what the workers in those third world countries think, but when you are held prisoner to your job, work in toxic, unsafe environments and have absolutely no rights, sounds like slave labor to me. Instead of using our infuence to "raise all boats", we allow these countries to use their citizens as "bic lighters" to be disposed of when no longer able to make them a profit. I suspect Saudi's willingness to continue production levels despite a drop in demand had a lot to do with the current oil prices. What's the rig count now campared to 2 yrs ago? Growth does not require destruction. Just because folks (myself included) have priorities different from YOU does not mean they are anti-growth, religious environmentalist or whatever box you want to put them in. Maybe they simply want their children and grand children to have a habitable planet….. just maybe. To capitalist like yourself, maximized profit at all cost. All else is secondary. Always educational chatting with you.
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