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This article has been picked up by the Denver Post. What is the next stop for this story, a reference during Jay Leno's opening monologue? Stranger things have happened.
You are right Mark - you can't make this stuff up.
The lessons of history still live on today.
Prohibition of alcohol failed because it was unenforceable. Prohibition resulted in many otherwise law abiding citizens who became wholesale law breakers. Prohibition created a culture where folks knew they were breaking the law but did not care or felt that the law did not apply to them or their situation.
This would be an interesting Reader Poll – Who plans on paying Colorado State sales tax of 2.9% on their on-line purchases made in 2013 where the state sales tax was not collected?
We may have found a way to measure the power of positive thinking.
Stuart & Scott W –
I think you nailed it (Scott W.) – “does the applicant think there is a need?” If we were talking about coffee shops and a new coffee shop was going to open across the street from an existing coffee shop – would that be OK? Should for example the County Building Department refuse to issue them a building permit on the grounds that folks felt that there were way too many coffee shops in the area?
I think we would agree that it would be reasonable to expect that the owner of this hypothetical existing coffee shop would say that there are more than enough shops meeting the needs of the coffee drinking population in their neighborhood. In addition, the folks that buy coffee every morning at this hypothetical existing coffee shop agreed to signed a petition saying that their coffee drinking needs were being adequately met. There are a couple of key questions associated with this opinion. Are those that signed the petition a randomly selected sampling of the population in the area that accurately reflects the total population in the area? Who knows? Are there folks, that are living in the area, would prefer another alternative for whatever reason. Again, who knows?
Without question liquor store license is different from most situations one encounters in business. I am not sure why liquor stores are treated different than a coffee shops but they are. Likely it has something to do with alcohol because as a substance “alcohol” likely results in more mischief than “caffeine” and therefore there is an underlying concern that it is possible to have too many liquor stores in a community.
That may be why the state law requires us to decide, as subjective as it may be, as to whether the “reasonable requirements of the neighborhood are being met by the existing outlets” and “what are the desires of the adult inhabitants.” We were presented with a good deal of evidence that many people thought the existing outlet, there may be a second one in the Steamboat Grand, was not meeting the needs, particularly when we are reminded that our community swells to over 30,000 people, most concentrated at the base of the mountain, during certain times of the year.
As messy as business can be sometimes – the best outcomes can arise if market forces are allowed to sort things out.
Scott W. - Let me think about the issued you raised in your last post and get back to you
Hi Scott W. –
As a new member to City Council I feel like I am drinking from a fire hose because I am learning so many things in a short period of time. One thing I have learned is when is City Council not City Council.
City Council is not City Council when it acts in the capacity of the Steamboat Springs Liquor Licensing Authority. Although we all sit in the same place – we officially adjourn one meeting as City Council and start another as the Steamboat Springs Liquor Licensing Authority.
In the capacity of the “Licensing Authority” we are no longer Citizen Legislators but take on a “quasi-judicial” role. In this “quasi-judicial” capacity we are obliged to ascertain facts and draw conclusions from them as the foundation for official actions. Testimony is given under oath and the Licensing Authority makes a judgment based on documents & testimony.
In the state of Colorado to obtain a retail liquor license has two levels. The first step is getting approval by the local Licensing Authority. The criteria for this local approval is established by the state of Colorado. The criteria cannot be changed by the local Licensing Authority; their role is to determine (judge) based on the documents & testimony if the criteria have been met.
In some towns such as Fort Collins the Municipal Judge acts in the capacity of the Local Licensing Authority.
Hi Mariana –
Congratulations to you and the other partners. You guys figured out a way to keep Sew Steamboat open.
Lisa & Group -
Thanks for the invitation to participate in South Routt High School’s “Career Day”. In both of the sessions I hosted - I found the students engaged and very respectful. This was a very good group of young adults that are actively looking beyond the here and now to the future.
I am looking forward to next year!
I am enjoying the exchange.
I do not want to be misunderstood of wanting to eliminate regional bus service. I am, however, trying to better understand two intertwined questions.
1) What is the desired outcome and how is it being measures?
2) Who “benefits” and therefore who should pay?
Anytime City taxpayer funds are being used beyond providing essential services and taking care of what it already owns, I think we need to ask versions of these questions. This is because it’s tempting for folks to look to the City as the source of funding/fixing problems that are beyond its core responsibilities. This does not mean that the City cannot acknowledge that a problem exists, however, it may not be a problem it should take responsibility for and therefore do something about it. Just because the City can do something does not mean it should.
Should the City play a role in helping employers in Steamboat Springs with the challenges they face in securing a labor force? This question ranges from transportation to housing.
I am interested in hearing other’s perspective and reasoning.
What is the desired outcome of the SST Regional Bus Service? In addition, who benefits and therefore who should pay. I am going to do my very best as I become a member of City Council to bring some rigger to the process of defining desired outcomes. I am going to need a wee-bit more information than telling me how many people got on the bus.
We have some very good data about commuters between Moffat and Routt counties. This data can provide some insights to the commuting patterns between the two communities.
In 2011 about 10,400 individuals over age 16 lived in Moffat County. This is their work force. Of this work force about 70% (7,300) worked at some point during the year. This is their labor force. Of this labor force about 2/3 were working full-time.
This labor force gets work by various means. About 88% drive, 5% work from home, 4% walk, 1.5% take public transportation and 1.5% ride a bicycle or motorcycle. Of those driving (car, van or truck) 83% drove by themselves. 17% carpooled. Of those driving the average number of passengers per vehicle was 1.13.
77% of Moffat County’s resident labor force worked in the county. 22% worked outside of the county and 1% worked out of the state. Of the 22% living in Moffat County but working outside the county about 1,000 were coming to Routt County with about 850 of these jobs considered full-time. Of these 850 full-time jobs about 450 were coming into Steamboat Springs.
Assuming these full time jobs were working 260 days per year there would be 117,000 worker trips annually. Assuming that balance of 150 were all working in Steamboat Springs were working at least 50% of the time this would add another 20,000 worker trips for a total or a potential of 137,000 worker trips annually.
It looks to me the regional bus service is capturing about 20% of the commuting traffic. If SST counts passengers like YVRA does each person is counted essentially twice once leaving and once returning. If this is the case the utilization would need to be divided by 2. How does SST regional bus utilization compare to that of the Roaring Fork Transit Authority?
US Census Bureau American Community Survey and the Longitudinal Employer-Household Dynamics
Once a student enrolls at a college and starts attending – the data that can be accessed publically is associated with the college and no longer identified at the high school level.
At the college level there is two sets of data I like to look at:
Year One Fall-to-Fall Retention Rates – This report will reflect students that enrolled in the fall one year and were subsequently enrolled the following fall. Essentially this is first year success rates. In 2011 the CU Boulder retention rate was 84%. For CSU it was 83%. Colorado School of Mines has the highest at 90% and Adams State has the lowest at 54%. For the 2 year schools the highest is Morgan Community College at 61% and Otero Junior College at 46%. Colorado Mountain College is slightly below the middle for the 2 year schools at 50%.
Completion Rates – This report reflects competition data by cohort. At the 2 year schools cohorts are tracked for 4 years and at the 4 year schools students are tracked for 6 years. For example, at CSU the cohort of the fall of 2005 had an entering class of 3,622. At the 4 year mark 37% had graduated at CSU or another state school they transferred to; at the 5 year mark this 63% and at the 6 year mark (2011) it is 70%. Another way to look at this is that 6 years after enrolling at CSU 7 out of 10 will have completed a degree. At Colorado Mountain College the cohort that entered in 2007 at the end of 2 year 26% had completed a degree or certificate; at the end of 4 years (2011) 27% had completed. Another way to look at this is that 4 years after enrolling at CMC a little less than 3 out of 10 will have completed a degree or certificate. We need to keep in mind that this data is only available for the whole CMC system (not Steamboat campus specifically) and students that did not complete a degree or certificate, however, transferred are not included in these numbers.
Kevin - The balance of your question/comments are more philosophical and deal with the public’s commitment to fund public education for the common good of society. This is part of the debate that is occurring nationally. Too late in the evening for me to think about this one.
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