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Chris, so it that a "yes" or" no" to having seen the movie Bridge on the River Kwai?
Have you ever seen the movie Bridge on the River Kwai?
And using borrowed money to do it...
importing the seeds of our own destruction...
Silly ... Nobody is forced out when the caveman is employed building 180 new dwellings. One might be for himself and 179 others for upwardly mobile service workers. Then the other incoming service workers take the cave dwellings vacated by those moving into the new condos. Either way, adding 180 new dwellings is a net positive for everybody form the caveman all the way up to the developer, and even the municipality that benefits from a broader tax base.
That's why libertarians want small government while socialists don't care how big and wasteful it is. Libertarians understand and acknowledge it all comes from someones hard work.
Socialists like to pretend government has its own money. They need to look at every person they pass today on the street and apologize for robbing them and indenturing their children and grandchildren so they can live a life of ease.
I think you guys like crediting a faceless government with your benefits, rather than your fellow man, because it makes it easier for you to look your fellow men in the eye. Pretending to suckle from some ethereal government, rather than having to acknowledge that you robbed your neighbor, lets you sleep at night. Trying to force the rest of us into your delusion further assuages your guilty conscience. Good luck with that.
For the last time, Tim, the government services I use I pay for. In fact I pay MORE than my fair share for. This means I am not even a tiny bit socialist. your argument is about as stupid as saying that even though I paid my rent in full, I am still in debt to the landlord. WRONG.
Finally, your claim of being a socialist capitalist is nothing more than a contrivance meant to placate your own conscience which, unlike other areas of your brain, knows that being a socialist is something to be ashamed of because anyone with a brain knows it has never worked and has led to the slaughter of hundreds of millions of people.
Your inability to link paying for government services with their actual existence, along with your failure to comprehend elementary characteristics distinguishing socialism from capitalism destroys any credibility you might have had.
Let's dismantle the tag team assault seriatim, shall we?
I see many advantages that I have enjoyed in my life, Mr Hadlock. However, I see examples of individuals who's shoulders I stand on, but damn few examples of how government did anything but get in the way and make life harder. So give specific examples or shut up.
Mr Keenan, you admit that you fail to see what paying for basic services has to do with using those basic services. That admission destroys your credibility and calls your ability to reason into question. If basic services were not paid for, they would cease to exist, and your fantasy would abruptly end.
Government does not "serve" me. It screws me. Government is empowered by people like you who empower government to do for you what you would be imprisoned for doing... Stealing from others to finance your own lifestyle. Nor does government serve most Americans. It abuses the general welfare clause to usurp power and is a parasite to most Americans.
Your argument against for-profit business verses government provided services is not grounded in fact, but fantasy. If for-profit companies had as many dissatisfied customers as government schools, government post offices, government police, or government DMV, they would be out of business and bankrupt, just like your argument for bigger government. Which has more dissatisfied customers, private supermarkets, IPhone stores, restaurants, or government protected monopolies like the phone company, electric company?
What would transportation look like without government? What does it look like WITH government? AMtrak? Clogged interstates as far as the eye can see? Drive I70 from Silverthorne to Denver some Sunday afternoon and tell us all about how great government transportation is.
Tim, if you'd like to tell us specifically to what services you are referring, I'd be happy to consider the possibility, but I doubt seriously any such circumstance exists.
My assumption is you're trying to play the ridiculously simpleminded Elizabeth Warren argument that without government roads and schools and police that I'd never have become successful?
If that's your argument it is a failed one. I pay for roads with gas tax, registration and property taxes on my automobiles. I even pay for roads unfairly with taxed gas I burn while snowmobiling OFF ROAD. I pay for schools with a tremendous amount of property taxes since I own multiple homes in multiple states. I also do not...would never send my kids into a government school, so all that money I paid I'm getting nothing for. Ditto for police, as they are never called by me to sort out my trailertrash drunken Saturday night problems...by the grace of God I have no such problems.
Again, if you'd like to clarify exactly what you are accusing me of taking advantage of unfairly, I'd be happy to consider it and concede responsibility if you are able to name something of which I am unaware.
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