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Really? Base area allowed heights are:
RR1: 63 ft,
RR2: 75 ft,
G1: 75 ft,
G2: 105 ft
It will be interesting to see public reaction when this building is built. And sad, as I think people will be upset. Unfortunately another 4 just like it will already have similar size approved at that point.
What was the approving council vote? They usually include that information with important votes.
I agree, John. Though I would say this is very much the city's intended consequence. City planning wrote as much in their arguments justifying the variances.
Too bad the vast majority of this coming downtown density and large size will be second home condos.
Larger size for workforce housing can be a convincing argument. Except we didn't really get that in my view. There is nothing to stop the small condos in this building being merged to create luxury units. Market will eventually see luxury use buyout most rental use. Classic resort economics.
Agree with David. No one buys a parcel if the profit relies on building more sq ft than the code allows. That would be dumb.
But John touches the most interesting point. Downtown landowners saw their raw land value increase dramatically last night. Great time to be in real estate.
This was the right decision. "Conflict of interest means any personal interest which may reasonably be perceived by the public as influencing the conduct of public duties."
If some in the public feel a councilor has a personal interest for or against an item, the councilor should honor that perception and step down. Arguing that "my vote must be counted" would only reinforce the perception of personal interest.
Recent city history only reinforces the importance of maintaining a high standard. Thank you to those 4 votes.
Contrary to Ken's assessment, an applicant may choose to forego a conflict challenge for good reasons. Why go there if you might succeed regardless? Calling out the conflict and arguing with Connell about it could swing other votes against you. I disagree with Ken's complaint in this regard.
Steven Hofman/For Steamboat Today
For Steamboat Today? The bulk of the letter is a Republican explaining state process to Republicans. But some of the letter attacks a political candidate. I am surprised the Pilot could sponsor such a letter.
I understand Scott's post. A long term contract to sell at price x is a suitable reference for establishing commodity pricing. Carl makes the point about nighttime energy need, but that doesn't appear to be an argument for avoiding renewables - he seems mainly to be acknowledging the role fossil fuels still play.
I use as much gasoline as the next guy, but consider it far more expensive than the price at the pump. Many years ago George Tolles hosted a fascinating discussion of global affairs each year. Irony, this is actually where I met Carl :) I believe George's career at one time was with the State Department. George once us showed a map of US military bases in the Middle East that closely mirrored the network of pipelines bringing oil out of the region. The cost of a barrel of oil largely ignores the expense of securing it.
Osama Bin Laden was clear in stating his fight with the US stemmed from the presence of US troops in what his people consider holy land. The cost of a barrel of oil largely ignores the enemies it brings us and the added cost of homeland security.
Oil is far more subsidized than renewables. Coal has a different set of significant negatives.
The blog conversation above is interesting, but narrow. Carbon's environmental, security, and geopolitical costs are hard to quantify but certainly very large. Many climate costs are unknowable until after the fact - the Syrian uprising was precipitated by the worst local drought in their history.
Chuck takes an equally narrow view of carbon, attributing all US coal action to two people, Obama and Hillary. The science comes from politicians? What I enjoy about Chuck's writing is knowing every high school student understands what he left out.
Carl, your reference was dated November 2012. Global politics have turned in more recent years to agreements increasingly supportive of CO2 reductions. China is engaged in that trend. Global energy has also changed significantly since 2012 with lower oil prices than anyone could foresee. This latter event may extend several years as Iran returns to the market.
Do you have more recent information?
I need to clarify my comments above, which refer to the Howelsen Place building on the corner of Lincoln Avenue and 7th St. The Howelsen Place development includes a second building on the corner of 7th St and Yampa. These two buildings are separated by an alley, but readers may believe my math was for both Howelsen buildings. It is not and I should have made this more clear. I'm comparing a single building on Lincoln Ave to a proposed single building on Lincoln Ave.
The Lincoln Ave HP building has a FAR of 2.0, gross sq ft of 42,124, on a 21,053 sq ft parcel. But the Yampa Ave HP building has a FAR of 2.25, gross sq ft of 41,915 on an 18,599 sq ft parcel. So I cannot say "Howelsen Place stayed within the FAR if 2.0"
These errors were pointed out to me by the developer's team.
We'll have a continuing discussion of the mass comparison with the Howelsen Place building on Lincoln Ave. In my view the mass seen from Lincoln Ave matters the most in downtown character. My "80% larger" is too much. I had thought the "underground" math was offset because Howelsen Place minimized story heights, but the sections I reviewed today show Howelsen Place has similar scale in story heights. Upper level setbacks make a difference in the effect of building mass and Howelsen does this well. It also looks like 1125 Lincoln has pulled back some of the upper level exterior on Lincoln in this latest submittal. The submittal shows a FAR of 3.44 and 86,050 gross sq ft.
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