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That was what I was talking about.
Fracking is one messed up process, in my opinion.
Been thinking about solar, and it is good to know as I don't have the time to research it. Though I will probably figure out how to make a large enough digester to provide power to the operation, with the waste whey protein. Though that is another six figure investment, which I can not undertake, without actually showing a profit. Hopefully, the light is the end of the tunnel and not an oncoming freight train.
Seen too many of those in the last 10 years... The book I can write in the future will be grand, though I am not sure I want to dig up the past.
Natural gas is not a fossil fuel. It is simply a store house for solar energy, created by the anaerobic digestion of organic matter, that the sun helped grow. There are many methane digesters being installed to convert organic matter into power today. Unfortunately, they utilize manure from cafos, which utilize grains that the subsidization of creates a myriad of social and environmental problems.
Wind energy is only unreliable if one looks at a single location. The wind always is blowing somewhere and if adequate transmission capacity and grid integration existed, it could provide an adequate base load nationally with turbines from the Dakotas to Texas. The possibility ignores the higher rates of leukemia incidence of those under power lines.
Solar panels are largely made in China now and the cost accounting for their greenhouse gas emissions released as a result of their production is largely ignored. Many of those ghgs are far more lasting and potent than carbon dioxide emissions which can be sequestered rapidly through changes in ag subsidies to not encourage grain production to feed to livestock with far greater negative impacts.
Doesn't matter what the size is, they should be primarily exempt from most building codes. They are plastic and either steel pipes. If you are worried about dotting the landscape with them, then require a permit,. Though for the most part, they do not have a foundation, they should not be required to comply with snow loads as they have in the recent past and most other facets and if your worried about someone getting hurt.
they are plastic and yep, there could be some injuries, resulting from the structure not being "tied down", this that or the other, but for goodness sake, so is Elk River Road when the county does not plow after 3PM. It can remain that way for a long time because the snow gets packed down well before the plows come along. One day it got down to a one lane road because of the drifting snow on a mid Sunday afternoon. yep lets worry about a greenhouse though!
Scott's and whomever,
The city is also lacking ballfields for the summer. So the city trying to work with the district jointly to create fields for the school and a secondary use in the summer is a win - win (though neighbors might not think so). Designing fields that work for Triple crown and other sports seem to make sense and that way, neither the city nor the district have to carry the burden of the whole cost.
Though given the Districts refusal to work with an independent group of citizens to put in a field house that might be difficult as each entity needs control of its domain, heaven forbid that working with others might produce a solution that is better than what the other organization's vision is.
I understand Scott, however, they do not have to get water from Steamboat Springs. They can put in a well, tapping into the the river system. That would facilitate much lower annual costs to irrigate fields.
Toss in a a filtration system and the ongoing water costs are minimal. Putting in a RO system, a UV sterilization system, whatever, with a septic system for black water and use the grey water to irrigate with could save thousands in ongoing expenses.
There are so many ways to skin a cat and getting stuck in the box you are in and many days the room the box is in might leave you with a less than optimal long term solution. The city bills on water consumed, unlike Oak Creek, so just think what the water bill would be for a couple of sports fields. That can go a long way to the ongoing maintenance and interest on the capital costs for those investments.
The majority of water consumed in this project will be to water turf. Why pay the city to treat water that is simply going to be applied to water fields???? Heck, the city would probably be happier with it located at Steamboat II so that additional pre treatment does not need made.
The school will be closed during high water demand months, when others are watering lawns, so the reality of the situation is that little extra demand would be put on the city system for the school as they let out about the time that sprinklers go on and go back about the time they go off.
The main consumptive use is to water the fields, if that is taken from the equation then the city's water concerns should vanish.
The main reason for the bond being voted down was the demographics report seemed very suspect. It seems hard to believe that Meeks and the school board have their heads that far into the sand that they refuse to get a second opinion to confirm/deny their original report. The failure to do so only further calls into question the original demographics report.
If water is an issue, then steamboat two might be better as it quite possibly has easier access to irrigation water from the Yampa which could be used to water all the fields that would be there as opposed to paying for city water to do so, unless it will all be Astro turf and if so then going back to those who wished to build an indoor facility and seeing if they still wished to do so makes more sense and you are worried about the cost of running that when you are building.a 70 acre facility????
The logic of some is baffling, unless it simply to have my plan done while still not listening to others!!!
Fred, We are likely to have $10 gasoline at some point in time because of the Hubert Curve. Oil as extracted today, is a finite resource. We could do as the Nazi's did in WWII and manufacture it, using wind power to split water into Hydrogen and Oxygen. Take the Hydrogen and combine it with Carbon under high heat generated from Solar Concentrators to make oil sustainably.
Though we would rather inject who knows what into our water sheds for cheap natural gas. I guess that will help keep us sick and health care costs high.
If they are that obscene Rhys, you should take it up. Supply and Demand, its hard work.
given the fact that there are tax benefits and probably also the ability to sell the renewable credits to YVEA, then a ground source heat pump, with the ability to move heat and cold through the building makes a lot of sense. Especially, given how easy it is to tap a loop field under the parking, especially if the place is heating the sidewalks.
Doing that renewable energy item, ought to allow lesser energy efficiency in other areas. As far as the debate on the parking. Institute year round no overnight parking rules and those with more than one car, would find another place to park it. Might allow the free market to come up with an idea of a lot in another area to store cars. Most times, at that location, one would not need to mess with a vehicle. One also saves a minimum of a couple thousand by not owning a car and potentially a lot more that could be saved to put a down payment on a condo, this that or the other.
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