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Really back to the point, of county regs making life less sustainable. I sought to understand why a firewall was needed. I wonder why when presented with a CUP to operate something that the state guarantees (and county regs) that is disclosed at $400 I get charged $1000,
I am so done with the topic and will seek an attorney to get the county to comply with state law as they are not, unless they have changed the rules again and I did not know about it.
The audacity of the county manager to end his emails that we should not print them to save the world and yet all the paperwork, meetings, brain damage and actual construction materials that are wasted in this county as they feel that an ag operation is commercial or industrial and needs a CUP and more rigorous building codes to separate ag from commerce (which it is not) if it processes its products (again unless they have altered their rules in order to match state law, which makes the brain damage I have gone through, simply that massive frustrations and stress because of their misinterpretations of what is agricultural in nature) on farm.
Done talking about it, but if the county really is concerned with sustainability maybe they should review fees and the bureaucracy that one must go through in order to use their PRIVATE PROPERTY in ways which have little (the right to farm law in Colorado protects ag from frivolous lawsuits over smell, sound, etc.) to no impact (except visually) on others. Fine people who harm others property rights, that is what the constitution was intended for.
By the way Fred, T Boone Pickens, seemingly has dumped a lot of money in wind power for some reason. When I studied the numbers in the very early 2000's I figured a 18% return with tax incentives and over 10 without.
The grid is old and really needs upgrading, however, that does not stop it from effectively transmitting Wind Power. Might be why Excel had no problem with trying to reduce coal power and use nat gas, because it can come on and go off line quickly, where coal - the energy you probably know best because of proximity can not. Yet it would be the biggest beneficiary of a smart grid.
Rhys, You really think Nukes are the best, you might think again based upon the glowing areas of Japan, the dead area in Russia and Jerry's comments. Really, figuring out how Tesla, captured the Etheric energy that is all around us powered his car, is what needs to happen. Yet we are conditioned to believe what the PTB wants of us. Just read that the POTUS wants FCC in newsrooms now to help ensure the news conforms and the US is barely within the top 50 of freest countries as far as free speech goes. Wow, that is nearly mind blowing having a constitution that guarantees free speech, I guess today if you are in a free speech zone though. Cant be talking smack outside of that now can we, the government is always right.
My favorite non politician, Henry Kissinger, that some how works behinds the scenes of the us government is quoted as saying that "if you control the oil you will control countries, if you control the food then you will control the people." Essentially, the layers of government that make it expensive and hard for the little guy to compete, coupled with higher insurance rates as we are farther away from fire protection (essentially making a 2 hour firewall a moot point and a waste of resources - I will have hot dogs and marshmallows for any fir responder to ensure the fire is contained and a locked gate after walking slowly to the neighbors home to make the call - so it is a complete loss and why rural insurance rates are nearly double of city rates.... yet somehow we need to comply with city building codes, which serve a purpose where building density is high, not on top of each other. Yet out here where the separation is being created, the separation essentially makes me safe from what I am doing at other parts of the day, the only people that may be on both sides of the wall would have needed to clone themselves in this situation.
Which brings up another issue that I can not discuss yet. Unfortunately, the non-elected government officials think they are making the world better, creating walkable communities, which I have when I go to work, yet that is getting very expensive, in trying to create a very sanitary environment and then throwing in all the other issues that the international building code guide, written by engineers who profit, from creating plans which are hard to read and thereby require you to have them consult further and in this case, have no idea what is trying to be be done and so, essentially need to educate themselves on your dime. Yet a knowledgable professional from another state who actually works with small cheese producers can not do the work and can only consult because they do not have a license in said state, because being classified as commercial requires additional "qualified" oversight.
Sorry venting at all the lost and wasted money, in trying to comply with perceived rules which probably were not intended to be implemented in the way they have been, in my case.
Thank you for protecting us from ourselves. Needing to pasteurize milk for safety as opposed to testing for pathogens ensures safety... Oh right, 2 dies and many hospitalized from a pasteurized milk outbreak. All those robots milking cows today, makes me wonder how in creation they can get them clean, based upon personal experience and re-cleaning a teat, that appeared clean because the rag had a smudge on it after cleaning.
Sam, I remember having a conversation with you about the permit fees. I have not spoken with anyone about solar power and over a year ago I approached you about figuring out some way to help small agricultural enterprises be loaned money to get started up, which was about the time that this creation came into being. Maybe the conversation centered around how the permitting fees were spread over a large project, maybe the county has changed how permitting of solar works, I do not know, they have changed the fact you do not have to have a permit to operate a dairy in Routt County any longer. Yet I was able to pay 1.5 times the advertised rate so they could come out and take pictures for an operation none on the planning board knew why I was there.
To be frank I am still miffed about the whole building department, because I hired a consultant who consults for the FDA and helped design my building. He has designed new drains for cheese production facilities and speaks at USDA events on safety, yet the local building department wants to put a layer of drywall over an ICF and then a panel designed specifically for this use to eliminate mold, bacterial issues that arise. Yet we need to put up a 1/2 inch layer of drywall between the two layers for some reason, I guess so that the building cost is higher and I pay more fees.
Just a wee bit jaded as the FDA has recently tried to outlaw the use of wooden board in cheese aging "caves" as they may harbor bacteria, yet most studies show they are less likely than plastic and most recently have proposed outlawing many craft cheeses' because they contain higher levels of bacteria in them, most of which are beneficial, yet the corporate controlled food industry can not compete with these craft foods, but big brother is here to save us from ourselves and gosh darn it we need three people in Routt county to determine the best use of our land and golly you need a permit for this that and the other, only if enough people cry out will we stop holding up individuals from using their land in ways that harm no one else for additional funding for the government.
Scott, I believe Sam stated that the permit fees in Routt County were 3 fold what they were in Moffat county for the project.
Fortunately Fred, most power is consumed during the day when most power is consumed. Also, if enough small producers came forth then a solid base load during the day when power requirements are highest would develop. Just as the wind does not blow all the time in one local, if you look from ND to Texas there is alway wind blowing somewhere, which could provide a decent base load.
Scott, Was told that by Sam Jones, maybe I am mistaken.
Though, in agriculture, the processing of ones own agricultural product does not appear to be a use by right and requires a permit, from personal experience. Yet, Colorado is a right to farm state and per tax codes the processing of ones own ag product is an ag activity, yet it is not a use by right. Sorry, but still miffed that the government believes that the processing of ones own ag product is anything but ag in nature at all levels.
The county seems to have classified ag activities as commercial if one has an employee, because of my issue, from what I understand. Seems to me that just about every ag operation has an employee at some point, wether a w-2 one or 1099. Unfortunately, they seemingly are trying to cover the butts and fail to acknowledge state tax laws and comprehend that forcing an ag structure to comply with all the building codes wastes resources and makes it hard to be financially viable.
Small farms are exempt from ADA requirements, yet making someone who hopes to "process" their ag product in a structure on their farm, might be made unworkable if it has to comply with every code, because they have been classified as commercial/industrial or something else other than AG, which Tax Codes, Insurers, etc seem to believe a small farm is. Many times an ag structure is seasonal in nature and are designed as such, not complying with energy codes as they are not heated year round, if at all. I guess, I am jaded with the county because of the BS I have had to put up with and the complete disregard, in their beliefs that the county can come up with their own definition of ag versus commercial, when State tax codes clearly state what is ag in nature and views from insurers, who are the ones the building codes are designed to protect.
Does the government get full transparency when they build a building, knowing the perceived margins of the company building it will make? Probably not, the tax breaks, renewable energy credits which they hope to sell to exel, that make the project profitable really do not need to be known by Routt County government. Routt County, needs to know its true cost and perceived benefit from the project. The financial details as to how CEC believes they are going to make money are proprietary and unless those numbers come into play as to the viability for Routt County's return (needing a tax credit to make the numbers make sense), then it is meaningless to see those details.
Funny thing is that the permit fees to put solar panels on ones own property in rural routt county make it very costly to do so on ones own land. Maybe, if the county commissioners are concerned about renewable energy, they ought to look at how their Planning Fees, for an item that has almost no impact on another except visually, make this renewable energy form more expensive than elsewhere. Seems to me, that government red tape is one of the largest detriments to sustainability.
By the way, if CEC is presenting a way for the county to maintain current energy costs into the future and the commissioners were worried about rising energy costs, putting a damper on how they can spend funds elsewhere, then maybe it does not matter what the finances of a private entity are. It seems to me that even Public Servants PROFIT form their LABOR, unfortunately, many public servants seem to fail to comprehend that their wages are based upon profits/revenue that the county takes in from its constituents.
Robin Hood did not rob from the rich to give to the poor, he took back excess taxes and returned them to the people.
By the way that parcel gets most of its income from hunting, so the owners highest value for it is in the protection of elk habitat
If the commissioners had reservations about the easement they did not need to approve it. The ranch was not going to be developed for years probably decades to centuries down the road except by mineral rights.
When managing a whole you need to review decisions as they will have negative impacts on other facets of life. Most times our decisions are directed at managing one variable, however we live in a complex interconnected world. The decisions we make have lots of ramifications on other issues than the one variable we are trying to manage.
In the pdr case, this may have been a god program at the start but it has outlived its purpose. If you want to maintain agricultural lands then you need to work towards making them profitable, One of the pillars of sustainability.
In managing the whole, the pdr program tends to take money from everyone and concentrate in the hands of a few. This is generally counter to what most people would like to see.
A better way to protect open space would be to work towards building infrastructure that would facilitate higher farm incomes. A chicken processing truck that could serve many ranches. I used to take mine to the east slope to comply with the regulations but that makes my product very expensive, not to mention the extra time that I do not have.
Some infrastructure being added would allow, more jobs, broader uses of agricultural lands ( not just beef or sheep) which would lead to more land not being subdivided for homes. Though as energy prices continue to rise, fragmentation of land will continue to decline.
Unfortunately our educational system has trained us to compartmentalize issues and not see the effects that one decision has elsewhere. Much like an email from a county official encouraging us to consider the environment prior to printing an email and then failing to consider that county policies requiring a permit to process ones ag product probably wastes far more paper, energy, etc then printing a single email. Those in the government fail to see how their policies work counter to many goals they are hoping to achieve.
Really it is time for change in the county leadership
The current councils hands are tied by another councils determination that using certificates of payments was a good way to avoid having to go to voters to see if they thought buying iron horse was a good idea. Why would they determine that potentially binding future councils hands would b a good idea. For that matter, given all the city employees being put on furlough recently why would they be pushing for it.
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