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The 97% is only a myth in the conservative brain. And yes climate science is real science. Again, this is a major part of the conservative strategy, when confronted with factual evidence that you cannot dispute, just deny that it exists. Don't try and find fault with the scientific methodology of the numerous studies, just deny that they exist. Brilliant. So where is your conservative Christian scientific evidence that if gay marriage is legal, more people will decide to become gay and marry just because it's legal? Or if gays are allowed to marry, it will somehow degrade or affect your opposite sex marriage. Or that being gay is a choice. Do you really believe that any one who is heterosexual could just all of a sudden decide to be gay, or that someone who is gay could just all of a sudden decide to be straight? Really? These are all GOP talking points and not just something that I made up. So if in your mind Dan K., the fact that I repeat conservative talking points is somehow insulting somebody, I guess to you, I am insulting you. And what exactly is the conservative argument against gay marriage? This is just more of the same, useless, hypocritical waste of everyone's time nonsense coming from the GOP. So Dan K. you say,"Most people who participate in this forum are reasonable people who exchange ideas and reasonably agree to disagree." Then you go on to say that somehow I insulted someone because I stated facts and reasonably disagree. I don't see anywhere that I insulted someone. Then you say nothing as your sycophant goes on to insult me personally, which by the way is forbidden by the rules of this forum, and of course you say nothing. This is a perfect example of the conservative brain hypocrisy that is rampant and out of control. So thanks again for making my point for me.
Yes Russell the home ownership model has indeed changed over the recent years and many people are better off renting. Home ownership should be thought of as a long term commitment and there is nothing like owning your little piece of heaven. It used to be that when you bought a home, you could count on steady appreciation and recoup your mortgage interest expense and realize a profit when you sold. This is not always true today, at least in the short term. However in the long term, real estate investment has consistently outperformed many other forms of investment and you get to live in it, as well as other tax advantages. Can't say that for too many other investments. But you are absolutely correct that home ownership is not for everyone.
I think the most ridiculous argument that I have heard from the right wing goes something like this. If gay people are allowed to marry and being gay becomes acceptable, then everyone will want to be gay and get married to other gay people. Now just think about that for a moment. These nuts actually believe that the only reason more people aren't gay is because they can't legally marry and because being gay is frowned upon by religious zealots. Really. So how many of you who are heterosexual really believe that if gay marriage was legal, you would then decide to start up a relationship with someone of your own sex. It's hard to imagine what goes on inside the conservative brain. Here's another one. So conservatives deny climate science and dispute the opinion of the 97% of climate scientists who study these things. Let me ask you this, if you were about to board an airplane, and 97% of aeronautical engineers said that the plane was going to crash, would you still get on?
Thanks Dan K, glad you enjoy my comments. I agree with you and Scott and Russell that there is or could be plenty of affordable housing in outlying areas. And it is a choice to live and work here and people should realize the challenges before relocating to a ski resort. Also agree with Scott that if the solution lies in housing located in outlying areas, efforts should be made to assist people in getting to and from Steamboat, and this could be all that is needed. Whether this involves publicly funded mass transit or some other means I don't have the answer Dan K., but if it's for the betterment of all and for safety at the least, some effort should be made, in my opinion.
Hey Dan K, looks like your sycophant is getting a little testy. He even corrected my spelling and this time I agree with him that his spelling is definitely more accurate than mine. And he knows some Canadians too. If you weren't so angry and frustrated and actually read what I wrote, you could answer your own questions. OK, so I got the answer to the affordable housing issue that should work for you. More campgrounds! That's right, more campgrounds. Do away with zoning regulations, as has been suggested, and just let workers pitch a tent wherever they want. Anyone should be able to afford a tent and maybe a camp stove and a sleeping bag, right? Might be a little rough in the winter, but who cares, they'll just have to deal with it. After all, if they weren't all so lazy and used to livin' off the gubbamint teet they would be rich and be able to afford a big house. There you go, problem solved.
Dan K you cherry picked, just like you did with the ACA. Deny, deny, deny it's the party line. Affordable housing is a worthy cause and one that I support. That doesn't mean that I have the answer as to how to accomplish this goal, I don't. In fact, I don't know how important it is here in Steamboat since I haven't studied the issue and haven't seen any documentation to suggest how serious this issue is here. That's why I said I don't really care that much about it. But you left that part out, didn't you. Maybe you can do some more parsing. You also know darn well what I mean by clan. The anti every thing, government is always evil no matter what, ungrateful for all the services that the gubbamint does provide, criticize with no solutions, the sky is falling crowd. Depressing, sad little group to be sure. Sorry John, you're wrong again. Socialism exists right now in this country. Who said socialism and capitalism are mutually exclusive? I didn't. They are not! Socialized medicine is working very well throughout Europe, Scandinavia, and Canada. It should be here as well. Then you all could quit whining about the ACA and the individual mandate that IS the conservative idea. Let's not forget that little jewel. Ever think about the FAA, DOD, public schools, public utilities, police, fire, social security, medicare. These are all socialist programs. Neither socialism, nor capitalism can survive in their pure form without a mix of both and without regulation. Even though the anti gubbamint crowd would love to see an end to all regulation and a pure capitalist system, they would also see an end to our economy and our nation. But no, let's continue to live in fear of the evil word, "socialism." Scaaarrrryyyy.
Actually Dan K I was referring to you and your little clan. Nice job of cherry picking my comments. Sort a like how you cherry pick only the negatives about the ACA. Funny. I stand by every single one of my comments. Nowhere did I say affordable housing had to be built or where it would be built. I am saying that it is a need as opposed to a want. I am not advocating for or against actually building it. I also said I didn't really care that much about it. It is important for low wage workers to have a habitable place to live. I'll say it again for you, and affordable housing will not be built in the private sector without some form of gubbamint intervention. I think it is needed and would be a great thing to have, and an asset to the community, but I don't care if it is built or not. People will manage with or without it just as they have been doing. Scott, I believe that people should have a reasonable expectation that if they buy a home in a residential neighborhood, other homes in the neighborhood will be used as a residence. Not a hotel, or a trailer park or a manufacturing facility. That's why we have planning and zoning. Protects property values and quality of life.
Russell, I'm glad you enjoy the comments, back and forth and educated arguments. Sometimes I'm not so sure about the educated part. All of what you said is true about living in Steamboat. Probably true about most resort towns. Like I said, it's all part of the opportunity cost of living here. We all chose to live here for personal reasons and we are all willing to put up with the negative aspects because the positives outweigh the negatives. If they didn't, we would simply leave. Lots to complain about, but lots to love as well. marc, you must just skim my comments, I admit I skim yours. I said I wasn't advocating for or against affordable housing. There, I said it again in case you missed it. I do however support planning and zoning. Would it be OK with you if someone built a trailer park next door to you? Or how about a bar and all night music venue. Of course not. Look at all the money the city spends just to make the entry to Steamboat look attractive, the median landscaping, trees, bark, pavers. They do all this to enhance tourism, a major industry here, for the common good. You can dispute the rationale for zoning decisions, but planning and zoning are necessary and needed not only to protect property values but for efficiency of use, environmental protection, etc. Dan K your doomsday predictions are all in your previous post. Just read it. Sounds like the end of the world. Why did you choose to leave out the success stories, the millions and millions who are now insured who previously couldn't get insurance? I believe that the number of insured Americans is at an all time high. And yeah people couldn't keep the coverage they had. But they can get coverage that is probably better and cheaper. You speak as if they are excluded from getting new policies. You must skim my comments as well. I said I don't think the ACA is the best solution and it is the GOP compromise and it has many problems, but it is working and will get better as problems are worked out over time. It is unrealistic to expect a program that is this massive, that fundamentally changes the insurance industry, could be rolled out flawlessly and not require adjustments over time. Universal care, a single payer system would be my choice, but again that would be socialism and would be vehemently opposed by conservatives who, by the way, have zero alternatives.
Scott, I don't disagree that affordable housing in Steamboat may offer very limited benefit at substantial costs. I'm not advocating for or against it. I'm just saying that it won't be built by the private sector, or by a free market supply and demand economy, without some form of gubbamint intervention. That's it, that's my point and the only point I'm attempting to get through. Workers can indeed live in Stagecoach, Oak Creek, Hayden, Craig, there are plenty of options. All of these options involve a commute with virtually no public transportation option. People also don't have to choose to live and work in a ski resort community. Lack of affordable housing is just an opportunity cost of living in a resort, as are high food costs, property taxes etc. It's a choice. marc, the game show thing it pretty clever, but what's the point. 40% of food stamp recipients are obese. So what? What's your point? Does that prove that they are getting too much money and eating too much food, or are they only able to afford high calorie fast food and other junk food items? Maybe there aren't any grocery stores where they live but rather an abundance of fast food joints? Again, citing a statistic and making an assumption, (not saying you are, I don't get your point), based on a pre-conceived notion is worthless.
Highest and best use is the most profitable use, the best use of the property that would be of the most value marc, that's what I said. So the trailer park was the highest and best use. Why would anyone build something that didn't have the potential to bring the most profit? Maybe local planners didn't want a trailer park where you wanted to build it, but that doesn't mean there weren't other sites. Who knows what their reasoning was. I'm sure they had some reason. Dream Island probably was the highest and best use of the land at the time it was built, why else would it have been built. As you know, trailer parks can be quite profitable. It probably isn't the best use now, but that is irrelevant. Doesn't mean that all gubbamint regulation is evil because you couldn't build a trailer park where you wanted. And this is totally off the point. The point is that IF affordable housing is NOT the highest and best use of the scarce resource, it will not be built without gubbamint intervention, that's my point. As for the ACA Dan K. it appears to be working quite well. It's working for me and millions and millions of others and the numbers are increasing every enrollment period. Again, as is typical, you criticize the program with layers and layers of doomsday predictions about some imagined future event that hasn't happened and offer no solutions. There are better solutions in my view, such as universal health care as in most if not all other civilized nations in the world, but the ACA is the GOP plan that they came up, the Heritage Foundation invented, that Mitt Romney implemented successfully in Massachusetts and now we have to live with it. And it's not true that it was pushed through in some back door meeting. It was thoroughly debated, and compromises were made, (as a matter of fact the individual mandate is the compromise, the POTUS was against it, wanted single payer but couldn't get it), and it's what we got and it's the law. There is a supreme court decision coming soon that could destroy the ACA, so you may get your wish after all.
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