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Well said Ken C. Thank you for having the courage to speak out! It continues to amaze me that conservatives continue to support Trump, even with all the blatant pathological lying, complete and total incompetence and scandal, and we're only a couple months in. Remember the attacks on Obama for playing golf? And as you pointed out, Benghazi, how many investigations were their? And emails, please compared to communication and possible collusion with our enemies to influence the election? Now trying to stymie the investigation. Not a peep from the right. The constant assertion that the GOP had a health insurance replacement plan. And yes, selling across state lines and tort reform was the answer, we were told.
Lock, you are preaching to the choir. I believe you are relatively new to this forum and perhaps don't remember what went on a while back with personal attacks and name calling by right wing extremists. Fortunately, the Pilot cut off the head of the snake and I am proud that I may have played a role in that decision. We are now able, for the most part, to have civil debate on the issues. I've even earned the nickname, "hall monitor" for trying to reign in the personal attacks. You'll notice in the thread I purposely didn't mention names and was speaking in general terms, until I was attacked that is. Make no mistake, if I am personally attacked or mentioned in this forum, I will respond! When bullied, one must respond forcefully or it will only get worse.
Yes Dan K., let's pretend for a moment that you actually had the cojones to admit that you stated over and over again that the GOP had a plan, selling across state lines and tort reform, and that would do the trick. Let's pretend you didn't actually say that, so what is the GOP plan for health insurance reform? You've said over and over that the GOP had a plan, the ACA was forced down our throats, so go ahead, here's your opportunity.
And obviously conservatives could care less about prioritizing health care services for all and saving lives or they would have worked for the last seven years to try and improve the ACA and build on the legislation, instead of voting 40 or 50 times to repeal it, while having NO PLAN. If they had a plan, then why after all these years haven't we seen one, unless you call the abomination that was just proposed and pulled before it could be voted on, a plan? The individual mandate IS the conservative plan as was demonstrated successfully by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. Everybody pays, everybody contributes, no free rides. The ACA was doing OK in it's original form where the federal government was to make insurance companies whole in the first ten years, I believe it was, by reimbursing them for their legitimate loses due to having to insure sick people and people with pre-existing conditions. That was before the republicans got enough seats in congress and votes to renege on the reimbursements, that's when insurance companies started to raise premiums to cover their loses and CEO bonuses. But the subsidies have gone up as well so most people have not had to pay a lot more and the actual rate of increase is lower than it was before the ACA.
So go ahead and tell us your fabulous, terrific plans, so many plans. I can't wait.
It is also obvious that the for profit model has never worked and will never work for health insurance. It is a CEO's job to do one thing, maximize profits. That's his job! It isn't to do good, to contribute to society, to make the world a better place, no it's to maximize profits and that means to squeeze as many coins out of their customers pockets as possible. It's a CEO's duty to his or her shareholders. It's how their performance is judged! If they don't maximize profits, they're fired!
The only answer is some form of single payer, medicare for all system. Every other advanced nation in the world provides health care for their citizens and it's time we did the same!
Yes and we were all told over and over again by our local right wing commenters here that the republicans had a great plan, many plans, that they could fix the health insurance dilemma. Elect a republican president and we'll all see how easy it is. Just sell across state lines, tort reform, let the free market loose and prices and accessibility will take care of itself. Ha! Now we know they never had any plan, that it was all a lie, a scam, all part of the long con. True to form, a giant tax break for the wealthiest Americans while cutting access for those most in need. No surprise here.
Ken M., perhaps you have not heard of the NIH or the National Cancer Institute. The NIH and the NCI have been leaders in cancer research and the development of therapies and cures for many types of cancers. Because of the amazing work they have done, many lives have been saved and much more could have been done but for the lack of funding. There is no private for profit organization that would do this work because there is no clear cut monetary payoff. It takes years and years of research, without the certainty of success that would be necessary to attract private investment and the prospect of a profit. No one is going to do this kind of extensive research and make the kind of investment it takes, on spec.
This is just one example of when the priority is helping people and saving lives, rather than profit maximization, great strides in innovation and advancement in medicine are made.
The only answer is a single payer system. If people could afford to see a doctor, medical conditions could be treated early on perhaps for hundreds of dollars, before they become serious, rather than waiting because of the fear of not being able to pay, and then ending up paying hundreds of thousands of dollars later on for treatment.
I wouldn't count some form of single payer system out. I won't let you forget that most people who voted, did not vote for Trump. Those who did because of the constant stream of lies and wild promises are now starting to realize that they have been had. Same goes for the voters would elected republican congress members and governors. They got elected by lying to their constituents and now the really hard part comes, having to deliver, and it has become quite apparent that the entire affair has been nothing more than one gigantic scam.
If conservatives cared about prioritizing health care for all and saving lives, they would now work to make the ACA better instead of now vowing to destroy the ACA by picking it to pieces, a little bit at a time. They are obviously unconcerned about the delivery of health care, but very concerned about political partisanship at the expense of the American people.
We heard over and over how the republicans had a great plan., so many plans. Trump promised better care than the status quo, healthcare for all and at lower prices. And what did we get, a tax break for the wealthiest Americans and millions left without insurance.
We were told all we needed was selling across state lines and tort reform. The GOP bill contained neither of these. Obviously insurance companies only goal is to maximize profits. They don't want to sell across state lines or they would be lobbying to do so. They want smaller pools, not larger pools because smaller pools allow them to maximize profits.
No Ken M., I am not against profits. Profits are great in markets that don't include whether or not a person lives or dies. And no Dan K. Trump didn't win because mean old libby's called people names, he won by lying, telling vulnerable groups what they wanted to hear while knowing all along that what he was saying was complete nonsense, and you bought it!
And now we are seeing the results. Complete incompetence, scandal, possible collusion with our enemies to influence the election, people are starting to realize that they were scammed, and it's only been a couple months! We'll see what happens in the mid terms.
What Ken C. is doing to try and make this country better is to express his opinion in the form of letters to the editor and point out the erosion of our democracy and the movement toward authoritarianism at the hands our new president. Hopefully he will inspire others to act and speak out against the disaster that is the Trump presidency. It should be apparent to all that Trump and his administration is a complete, incompetent, disorganized mess. The constant pathological lying, the ridiculous ACA replacement that the GOP had eight years to come up with, a disaster.
The presidency was won by flat out lying to vulnerable rural and blue collar voters. They are now seeing the results and instead of the health care for all they were told they would get, they are getting the shaft. Those jobs they were promised aren't coming back. They were lied to, they were conned, and yes the midterms should be very interesting.
As for the phony free speech argument Dan K, the so called "riots" were not about denying free speech, they were about protesting against a bigoted pedophile. Like all our rights, free speech is not without limits and people have the right to peacefully assemble and protest. No one in condoning the "riots" as you call them, or violence. If you are a alleging that our silence in the matter is somehow assent, then what have you to say about the silence of conservatives at the take over and destruction of federal property in Oregon, or pointing loaded assault rifles at federal agents in Nevada. Or the blatant racism and bigotry exhibited by Trump supporters, all wrapped up in the stars and bars at his rallies. Or Trump himself inciting violence and offering to pay supporters legal bills if they "punch 'em in the face". Not a word....nothin. Not surprising at all.
Ken it is not about the use of force, no more than paying taxes is accomplished by use of force. The cost of health care has to be spread, and everyone is going to have to pay, just like any public good.
It is an interesting discussion, trying to devise some way to apply free market capitalism to a health insurance model. But the exercise is futile, it simply cannot be done and it is a waste of time to continue down this path.
The truth is, CEO's have only one goal and that is to maximize profits, if they don't they are replaced. This is why health care coats are so high, it shouldn't be any great mystery. The goal of any business is to prioritize profits, the goal of health care is to prioritize care and save as many lives as possible.
Conservatives do not care about prioritizing health care services for all and saving lives, they care about personal greed and preserving profits. Conservatives love to complain about how much health care costs the government, while ignoring the fact that the market based system that we currently employ costs more per citizen than any other developed country, while still leaving 20 million people uninsured. But hey......profits for health insurance companies are doing pretty good!
In a just society, we need more care for more people, not more profits for more corporations.
I didn't write this so I cannot take credit, but this is what I have to say to give him a chance!
I listened as they called my President a Muslim.
I listened as they called him and his family a pack of monkeys.
I listened as they said he wasn't born here.
I watched as they blocked every single path to progress that they could.
I saw the pictures of him as Hitler.
I watched them shut down the government and hurt the entire nation twice.
I watched them turn their backs on every opportunity to open worthwhile
I watched them say that they would not even listen to any choice for Supreme
Court no matter who the nominee was.
I listened as they openly said that they will oppose him at every turn.
I watched as they did just that.
I paid attention.
Now, I'm being called on to be tolerant.
To move forward.
To denounce protesters.
To "Get over it."
To accept this...
I will not.
I will do my part to make sure this great American mistake becomes the
embarrassing footnote of our history that it deserves to be.
I will do this as quickly as possible every chance I get.
I will do my part to limit the damage that this man can do to my country.
I will watch his every move and point out every single mistake and misdeed in a loud and proud voice.
I will let you know in a loud voice every time this man backs away from a promise he made to them.
Them. The people who voted for him.
The ones who sold their souls and prayed for him to win.
I will do this so that they never forget.
And they will hear me.
They will see it in my eyes when I look at them.
They will hear it in my voice when I talk to them.
They will know that I know who they are.
They will know that I know what they are.
Do not call for my tolerance. I've tolerated all I can.
Now it's their turn to tolerate ridicule.
Be aware, make no mistake about it, every single thing that goes wrong in
our country from this day forward is now Trump's fault just as much as they
thought it was Obama's.
I find it unreasonable for them to expect from me what they were entirely unwilling to give.
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