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Comparing a liberal college professor who took away someones sign to right wing extremists who murder abortion doctors? Really? The GOP has 17, count em, 17 candidates, the dems have 3 and we have an African American liberal president and your saying that because the current crop of GOP hopefuls is more diverse than the dems, that proves what? Conservatives are more centered in liberty and individual freedom? So is that why conservatives are so intent on telling us who we can marry, or what a women's options are as a result of a rape or incest, or what religion we must follow, or what plant we can smoke, or make contraception illegal, or make it more difficult to vote and restrict the days and hours we can vote? That your idea of protecting liberty and individual freedom? Conservatives are more caring and compassionate? That why they want to drug test welfare recipients, take away vital social services that also apply to children and the elderly and the disabled, raise the social security retirement age or take it away all together, could care less if people with a pre-existing condition are excluded from the health insurance marketplace? That why they want to engage in endless wars and refuse to provide benefits to our veterans because it "costs too much." That's caring and compassionate? You know it's fine to have an opinion and I respect everyones right to an opinion, the problems begin when people begin to confuse their opinion with fact.
Jeb, (notice how he doesn't use his last name), was correct when he said that for any GOP candidate to win the general election, they would have to be willing to lose the primary. Therefore a decent person, a moderate, a non politician could never, ever, survive the republican primary. This is the sad state of a party that expects the American people to put the fate of this nation in their hands. Dr. Ben Carson is obviously very intelligent when it comes to brain surgery at least and a very accomplished and respectable human being. He also seems rather soft spoken, polite, kind and caring. These qualities immediately disqualify him for consideration as a serious GOP candidate. He was against the Vietnam war and presumably against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He supports investing in the poor and focusing on ways to help the poor "rise up the economic ladder" that don't involve cutting off public assistance as a form motivation. Not gonna work for the GOP primary voter.
Thoroughly rejecting bigotry and racism should not be confused with intolerance, please. To call democrats, intolerant is ridiculous. Watched Trump's address last night, part of it at least, and now his "shtick" is really getting old. It's starting to sound a lot like a bad nightclub act, with the "now dis guy ova here," and "bada bing" and "I love these people, they're terrific, I have thousands of them working for me, they're making me a fortune with the rents they pay me" and so on and so on. Funny thing is a lot of what he is saying consistent with democratic ideals and a lot are consistent with republican ideals. Rebuilding our infrastructure, making the hedge fund guys pay their fair share, ending citizens united, are things that liberals have been speaking about for years. His war hawkishness, stance on immigration and mass deportation, opposition to a woman's right to choose and assumption that we are not already a great nation is right up the GOP alley. He has no chance of ever being elected president, but he is bringing important topics into the national debate and making the standard issue politician that we have become accustomed to look really boring.
Don't think it's fair to blame the news media. They are responding to ratings. This is just pure capitalism at work, without regard to morality. I too think Kasich seems like a decent guy. Also really liked Jon Huntsman and would have even considered him as a candidate. Problem is, and Jeb is correct on this, the current state of the republican party is such a huge disaster that any candidate with a prayer of wining the general election must be willing to lose the primary. And people would actually consider putting the fate of our nation in the hands of a party that can't even nominate an electable candidate.
The Trump saga is a compelling drama and very, very interesting to watch. His base of support among republicans has been reported to be around 30%, maybe 40% by now. But to the rest of the electorate, the non cynical extremists in the GOP, he is simply horrifying. The GOP establishment is in pure panic mode with absolutely no idea what to do about the growing menace. Everyone thought he would fade away, but as his message becomes even more outlandish, the more bombast, the more insults he throws around, the more popular he becomes among the hard core right. This is not at all surprising to me, but to the GOP establishment, it is and they have been caught completely off guard. So what do they do, what are the choices? Accept him as the nominee and witness a disaster in '16? Or change the nomination process, alienate him and risk the possibility that he runs as a third party candidate, splits the conservative vote and you guessed it, disaster in '16. Really fun to watch and I can't wait to hear the next outlandish proposal, how he is going to make us all rich like him, or the next embarrassing insult.
Repeating a lie over and over does not make it come true. Clinton a racist, you didn't build that, the president isn't a citizen, all the same disingenuous attempt to smear and deceive and all lies. And I just thought of these of the top of my head. There are many, many more being perpetrated upon the American people by those who can't win by telling the truth, and they know it.
Anyone who would assert that Clinton's statement is in any way racist has lost all credibility, period. Same with the "you didn't build that" and birtherism thing, which by the way was started by the leading GOP candidate. I especially like the last credit on the "bio" copy and paste. Fox News contributor. Win in your mind at any length with complete disregard for the truth.
Dan K. I did let you know where you are mistaken but you just disagree and continue to mischaracterize the Clinton statement so that you can continue to argue. To allege that Bill Clinton's statement is racist is just ludicrous. I remember that statement and he was clearly making reference to how far we have come as a nation that a black man could be elected president. This is reminiscent of the "you didn't build that " lie. It makes no difference who made the statement, Rush or Clinton, this is not a racist statement by any stretch. As I said, I simply don't have time or the inclination to go through every one of your "info dump" statements that you copied from some right wing website. I have already impugned your entire argument by exposing your duplicity and disingenuous attempt to make your case. Of course liberals are not racist, homophobic, xenophobic, misogynist religious zealots. But these are the characteristics of many conservatives both in the political arena and in private. You know that, I know that, everyone knows that. And by the way Dan K. you say you are not a conservative but you take great exception to the characterization of conservatives I have just laid out, but you take no exception to the continued taunting and personal insult directed at me and liberals in general, by your friend and like minded conservative John B. Care to explain this rather bizarre contradiction?
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You know Dan K. I think I'm really starting to get that you just want to argue. You don't care about the truth at all. In your attempt to make your point you just dump a bunch of copy and paste nonsense with no context and no foundation. I understand that you have a lot of time on your hands but I don't. I'm really busy and don't have time to go through your "info dump" line by line. But here is one example of your misdirection and mischaracterization in an attempt to be "right" without regard to the truth. You use as an example of alleged racism by former president Clinton, his statement about Obama that "a few years ago he would have been carrying our bags." This is actually a statement about how far we have come as a nation, that today a black man can be elected president. This is far from a racist statement and quite the opposite and I'm very sure you are well aware of this but you just don't care. If you perpetrate a fraud and show contempt for the truth, the means justify the end, as long as you can continue the argument and feel like you "won." This tactic is much like the unsuccessful GOP campaign based on a lie regarding the "you didn't build that" thing. This was a complete lie and mischaracterization of what the president said but conservatives just don't care. The GOP openly lied and mischaracterized the object of the pronoun "that" in order to perpetrate a fraud. Most Americans see right through this nonsense and that's why the president was elected and reelected and the country is moving center left. And you still claim that you are not a conservative. Like I said Dan K., I certainly don't blame you for wanting to distance yourself from the conservative movement, but your statements and actions speak volumes. Don't worry though, I'll help you keep your little secret.
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