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Theft is defined as the unlawful taking of property. As far as taxes go, the government has the legal authority to levy and collect taxes, so this is not theft. One may not agree with our system of collecting taxes and the use of tax dollars may not be fair or just, but taxation is not theft.
Innocent until proven guilty I believe. She has been charged with a crime and the charges have been publicly aired and that's it. Let's wait until a trial is held and all the facts are known before passing judgment. That's my "liberal" take on things.
Ken, the vast majority of Americans pay little, if any attention to politics. They hear sound bites, and maybe something uttered by a relative or coworker. We have a democratic president, our economy is on the mend with steady job growth, the stock market is at record highs, there was no grand compelling message during the midterm, and a lot of people just didn't bother to vote. The majority of those who did were clearly the angry, frustrated folks that I mentioned earlier. The GOP strategy has been to block everything that the president tries to accomplish in order to make him appear to be ineffective. This is not something I made up, but was articulated by Mitch McConnell right after the president was elected. Just one example of continued gridlock is the refusal by congress to hold a vote to confirm Loretta Lynch as AG. The votes are there, but McConnell will not allow a vote. We have another election in '16 and the GOP has until then to show that they can govern. So far it hasn't gone so well. Dan K. yes angry and frustrated. The evidence is clear as some of you seem to consider it a "handicap" that you are not allowed to level personal attacks. These attacks are born of anger and frustration and if you had a valid argument to make, you wouldn't feel the need to insult others. I'm using the word "you" collectively here. This "need" is purely based in anger and frustration, and the lack of a compelling argument. Tom, the demographic of America is changing. There are more and more Hispanic, Asian, African American and other minority voters than ever before and their numbers are growing much faster than older, rural, southern, white voters. It's just reality and something that you and your "movement", and the GOP I might add, are going to have to contend with. I don't see how you are going to sway the majority of voters without articulating exactly what it is that you stand for and what your policy is. Hating the government and making inflammatory and completely false statements about the president is not going to win the majority vote. If you are fantasizing about some sort of armed insurrection, good luck with that. So far I haven't heard anything from you but negativity, hatred, complaining and cynicism. I would indeed be very interested to hear what your policy positions are. As far as which party has a better record and been a better steward of the economy, the record is quite clear. Democratic administrations have done a much better job of growing the economy and jobs. Just look it up. We only have to go back to the last GOP administration to see the disastrous results of 8 years of GOP policy. Tell me why the states that are most dependent on public assistance happen to be red states.
Ken the mid-term election was hardly a reflection of the pulse of most Americans. Only about a third of the electorate voted and democrats and minorities did not turn out the way they did in the general. The right is definitely frustrated and angry, and the election proved that as more older white males, southerners and rural voters were inspired to vote. Now we see the results of both houses having GOP majorities and the grid lock has gotten even worse, if that is possible. The challenge now for the GOP is to actually govern. They now have no one to blame but themselves. There are so many factions, the tea partier libertarians, the neocons, the christian taliban, the so called establishment GOP, they are all at war with each other, have no unified message and can't even agree among themselves, let alone the opposition party. The general election is what really counts and we'll just have to wait and see what the people think in '16. If the clown show that the GOP is passing off as presidential candidates is the best they can do, it's gonna be another tough election. Tom I think it's great that you are involved in a movement, as you call it. The more the merrier. Let's get some fresh new ideas flowing. I'm all for that! Now all you have to do is form a political party and get people to agree with your positions and elect your candidates. That's how change happens in my America. I'm frankly more interested in action than words. I doubt that there will be too many people willing to vote based on complaining and sloganeering. Haven't heard any policy from your movement. Dan K. you're correct, I wonder how I can teach people to turn "right." That's pretty funny. I do have a story about that, anecdotal of course, but I won't go into the details here. Has to do with the conservative brain being unwilling to accept change and accept the science behind how a ski interacts with the snow, which of course leads to the inability to accomplish personal goals. That was really interesting. And it wasn't me doing the teaching before you go there.
Once again gang, lots of cynicism and complaining about this and that, the fascist government, not enough money, unwed mothers, blah, blah, blah. And of course once again, zero solutions, just a lot of complaining. And again, what's the point? Complaining without offering solutions is a waste of time and accomplishes nothing. But of course you all have the right to keep on complaining, knock yourselves out. This attitude is one of the major reason why conservatism is so unpopular and the GOP is in the midst of a civil war. Blocking, obstructing, saying no to everything and offering no solutions. The American people want real, populist solutions that benefit all Americans. And yes Tom, white privilege is real. I am proud and extremely fortunate to have been born white, but I am ashamed of my fellow white people who don't appreciate how lucky they are and don't understand that racism is alive a well in this country. Yes I live in a lily white ski town but I didn't always. I grew up in south central LA and I was subjected to racism by African Americans. If I wanted to continue the cycle and get "payback" I'd be a racist. But I understand the history and the injustice that has been done to minorities and I'm not looking for payback. I'm looking to break the cycle. That's why I believe that we owe it to society to do what we can, give a hand up, not a hand out, to the less fortunate of all races. That's the only way to break the cycle and affect real change.
Tom, slogans are not solutions. They are nothing more than slogans. Kinda like Nancy Reagan's infamous "just say no." Nice slogan, but not a realistic solution in the real world. And doing nothing is not a solution. If your car breaks down, complaining about it and doing nothing is not going to get your car back on the road. I guess you could say that quitting driving is your solution, but it still won't get the car fixed. Yes Dan K., perceived problem. You've stated a statistic, but haven't articulated the problem, or negative impact. If you're saying that single motherhood is a problem and your only answer is to get married, again that's about as effective as "just say no." Real problems require real solutions that will actually work. Assuming that the number of unwed mothers is a problem, we would need to find out why there are so many, what the motivation is. Once you understood the root cause, then you could perhaps find a way to affect a different behavior. I also notice that you use the qualifier, "black babies." Since you apparently feel that the number of unwed mothers is a problem, is it only the number of black babies that you are concerned about, or is unwed motherhood a concern of yours no matter the race of the child? Do you have statistics on the number of unwed mothers among all races? How about increased education, access to contraception, access to abortion? All of these measures are frowned upon by the conservative movement, so it would be interesting to see what realistic solutions the right could come up with.
And I stand by my post, I don't see the point in identifying perceived problems and criticizing while offering no solutions to these perceived problems. Seems like a waste of time but, of course you can do so to your hearts content. Once again Dan K. you have identified what you perceive to be a problem and offered zero solutions to the perceived problem. I bet Mr. Moynihan had some reason for his belief that the number of African American babies is a problem and I bet he had a solution or two. marc, if you think living on public assistance is a "comfortable life," I would suggest that you take a little trip to some inner city neighborhood, limit yourself to the amount of money you would receive from the gubamint "teet," as you all like to call it, find a place to live and see just how comfortable you are. I assume your solution is to make life uncomfortable enough so that the poor will get off their respective rear ends and get to work. And work where? And how do they get to and from this imagined job? And who is going to protect them and their property from street gangs as they travel to and from these jobs? And what do you say about the fact that roughly 60% of food stamp recipients already work. And what about the elderly, disabled and large number of children who receive public assistance. Do they all need their lives to be made "less comfortable" or is there a way for you to determine whose life should be made "less comfortable" and who is spared? No, I say the answer is to invest in this country. Invest in better schools and training so that poor people can find jobs. We also need a system to match people with available jobs. I met a gentleman over the winter, a ski client, whose job it is to match the poor to available jobs. The current system is practically useless and he is working through a private non profit to come up with software to help solve this problem. This is the type of thing that can make a difference and that we as a country should be investing in, rather than just sitting back and criticizing and offering no solutions.
Tom W. of course you have the right to express your opinion and to express your cynical views of government and society in general. I just don't see the point. Just like Dan K. has the right to cite statistics about the number of black babies born to single mothers and offer no solution to this perceived problem. This would be like the poor and less fortunate, ( those that conservatives love to label as lazy ), complaining about being poor, but being unwilling to do anything about it. Makes no sense to me, but they would certainly have the right to do so. The POTUS is not being a bigot by pointing out that some have risen up through adversity. He is merely countering the argument by the right that all poor people that live in the inner city are bums and beyond help and we should just abandon them, give a swift kick in the rear end, and that'll do the trick. He is rather pointing out that everyone has value, even poor people in the inner city, and everyone can rise above their circumstance, (just like he did), given the opportunity and that we as a society owe it to them to do all that we can to provide an environment in which they can succeed. This doesn't mean "hand outs" or "gifts" as the right would have us believe. This means investing. This means providing better schools, more and better policing, vocational training, tax incentives to start businesses in the inner city and provide jobs for people where they live. There is no doubt that the current system of public assistance is flawed and subject to fraud and abuse and may indeed encourage dependence. But that doesn't mean that we as a society should just give up, succumb to cynicism, demonize, turn a blind eye and pretend that the problem will just go away. It won't. And it's not going to get better by just complaining, or by doing nothing, or by doing less than nothing.
Great comment James. I too spent a good part of my early years living in their world and there is no way I could have survived. There are many, many hard working good people living in the inner city, in conditions that we, from our ski town view point can hardly imagine, and they are just trying to survive. Some make it out, some don't and we shouldn't demonize those who don't.
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