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The question we must ask ourselves as a civilized society is, should health care be the right of all citizens, or should the delivery of health care be a privilege and be allocated based on ones ability to pay? There are two opposing views with regard to this question. I obviously believe that heath care is a right that all citizens should have equal access to, and should be allocated based on need rather than the ability to pay. This is a moral decision and I do not believe that profits should determine who lives and dies or who is allowed to receive medical care. Our current system, even under the ACA, is still ruled by profits and is doomed to fail unless the profit motive is removed. I thoroughly reject the notion that the profit motive is necessary in order to maintain high standards of health care. Medical professionals in countries with socialized medicine make a very good living, provide excellent care and choose medicine as a career because that are passionate about medicine and helping others. I suspect that their career choice may not have been influenced by the prospect of becoming a multimillionaire.
George....look it up for yourself. It's not my job to do your homework. If you have evidence to contradict my assertion, then present it.
The only answer to the health insurance mess is universal health care for all. The health of the citizenry should not be a "for profit" endeavor, it simply doesn't work. We are the only advanced, civilized country in the world that doesn't get this. For the record, one can get an MRI in Canada, or Europe without delay if it is an emergency. They triage their care. If it is not essential, then yes, there can be a wait. Speaking of income statements, it would also be interesting to see an income statement from the major insurance carriers. Are they losing money because of the increase in the number of patients that actually need medical care, or because of extravagant CEO and management compensation, fancy office buildings, high dollar marketing and advertising costs, etc.? Another reason could be that a huge number of people are suddenly seeking medical care, because they now have insurance. After all, the for profit insurance business model is to rake in premiums, and pay out as little as possible.
The GOP, through it's current ideological messaging, rhetoric and candidate selection has alienated itself to a point where the cycle of each party being replaced every eight years will be broken. The republican party will have to go through a complete overhaul and rethinking in order to be relevant to modern times. They seem to have completely ignored the results of their own "autopsy' from four years ago.
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Ken M. you are correct and I'm glad you brought this up, because this is at the heart of a major difference between the parties. Yes...I believe it is the right of every citizen to receive health care and basic human rights. Bernie was asked, where does this right come from? It comes from being a human being, he answered! And every other industrialized nation in the world agrees! It is you Ken, and your fellow conservatives who are the outliers. Any civilized group of human beings must take care of each other. This is simply the nature of humanity. You can try and mischaracterize and distort all you want. And I'm sure you will distort and mischaracterize my comments, that's just what you do. What I am talking about is what we already have. Our taxes go to pay for services that we already have, such as police, fire, schools, military, roads, airports, the list goes on and on. We are already a collective and cannot function if some people who, for what ever reason, are denied health care, food or a roof over their head, simply because they don't have enough money. You are asking us to become a third world country that cannot provide basic services. That's ridiculous. We are the richest nation in the world and it is a disgrace that we have a for profit health care system, where some are denied preventative care or life saving health care simply because they cannot afford to pay. No one is suggesting that if you want a new car for instance, that the government should give you one. I'm pretty sure I will be attacked along those lines. What we are asking for is that everyone pay their fair share. That includes multi billion dollar corporations and the very rich. We should be investing more, not less, in America. Provide jobs by rebuilding our infrastructure, hire more and better teachers, provide vocational training, we need K through 16 public education so that those who have the ability and the desire are not denied higher education simply because of the circumstance they were born into. Come November it will be up to the voters to decide what kind of society they want to live in. Trump is offering his view, and as conservatives, that will be your option. Hillary and Bernie are offering a different view. The choice is ours. Paragraph. Tomo, for being such a great intellectual whose comments can only be understood by those with a massive IQ, it is surprising that you can't seem to figure out that your comments on this forum have absolutely nothing to do with your "First Amendment Rights". Or....truthfully, it's not surprising at all. And....just because something is European in origin, does not make it automatically a bad thing. Anyone as smart and above the rest of us as you claim to be, should be able to look around and adopt successful programs or ideas from anywhere. This extreme form of nationalism that you display is a characteristic of some pretty evil ideologies that have plagued the world throughout history, and led to devastating world wars.
It would be great if there could be a debate based on facts instead of made up stuff in a lame attempt to support a weak position. For instance, I happen to know for a FACT that wait times are not an issue in European so-called socialist medical systems. They triage patients! If you have an immediate medical need you go to the top of the list. If your need is elective, yes there is a long wait time. So what, at least you don't go broke, or put off preventative care that could save your life and prevent a more serious and costly procedure later. And yes taxes are higher, but you don't have medical insurance premiums or huge deductibles to pay! You're over all out of pocket expenditure is lower. Why is that so hard to figure out? Why should medical care be a "for profit" enterprise? It shouldn't! The myth that only through for profit enterprise will medical advancement take place is pure nonsense. It is immoral to deny someone medical care because they don't have enough money. It is immoral to suggest that a person should go broke and lose everything they have worked their entire life for, just because they got sick. The cost of health care in this country is a drain on our economy and one of the factors that is slowing economic recovery. All of these crazy, outlandish comparisons of what Bernie is proposing to Russia, to communism, that's crazy. No one is even remotely suggesting switching to communism, or that democratic socialism will automatically morph into communism. This is just typical right wing hysteria. Just like suggesting that any gun regulation, any gun regulation, will automatically become total and complete confiscation. Same logic, same paranoid delusional scare tactic used to brainwash an uniformed base. Let's debate the real issue. Should health care be a right of all Americans, or should health care be available only to those who can afford it? That's the real issue.
Ken, try reading Scott's post. Bernie talks about socialism as in Denmark and part of a democracy. Get it, democracy. As in democratic socialism. As in a form of which we already have here in this country. Why must you insist on mischaracterization in order to try and make some point?
Yeah Janet....you're op-ed is about debates. You're speaking as if the GOP base was made up if intelligent mature human beings. What has a debate got to do with what the GOP is doing every couple weeks? These aren't debates we're watching, it's more like watching re-runs of elementary school food fights. These guys couldn't get elected class president, let alone president of the United States. What a waste of time!
Dying down as in the state of Colorado where Bernie won! What alternative universe are you living in Tomo! Holed up in some underground bunker with surveillance cameras, streaming Fox News and your stash of assault rifles at the ready? There's your question mark for ya! Hahahaha.
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