Jump to content
Brian, I am not concerned with the history of Islam. I am concerned with what is happening in the world now, not hundreds or thousands of years ago. There is no question that there is a radical, violent element, a perversion of the Islamic faith, that is responsible for the terror attacks that we are seeing around the world today. This faction is hell bent on establishing a caliphate in the middle east and restoring what they believe was a once great and powerful Islam.
Before the west began it's modern day "meddling", the dream of the caliphate was just that, a dream the was held in check by the strong man dictators the ruled the middle east. The western "meddling" that has destroyed the strong men and destabilized the entire middle east is what has allowed the radicals to now pursue that dream.
To label all Muslims as radicals, or to suggest that the Islamic faith is inherently evil, (at least I assume that's what you are doing), is a mistake and plays right in to the hands of those who seek to destroy our way of life. This is the narrative that they use to recruit and incite, and those like Trump who continue to rail against all Islam are validating the lies they are telling their followers. They tell the disenfranchised and the psychopathic killers who are among them that the west is at war with Islam and they must fight or be destroyed. They make no distinction between civilians and military and their only desire is to kill anyone who does not follow their perverted view of Islam and that includes fellow Muslims who don't ascribe to their radical ideology.
Meddling in the middle east, and specifically the Iraq war, is most definitely what has caused the rise in Islamic extremist terrorism. Saddam Hussein was certainly an evil and brutal dictator, but his presence did stabilize the region. A new caliphate has always been the dream of the extremists, but the removal of the strong man and the disbanding of the sunni Iraqi army is what set off the sectarian battles and the creation of ISIS. Without a buffer in the region, a strong man dictator, the extremists are now free to pursue their dream.
Agree with the both of you. It would be a terrible mistake to ignore fact when considering policy and yes, the overall crime rate has been going down and enforcement works. We need more police and tighter controls on gun purchases so that police have laws to enforce, and specifically laws that will keep guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them.
Chief Brown's statement was quite clear, even though some just don't want to hear what he had to say. He clearly and with purpose said the words "gun problem" and "do something". While he did not endorse any specific policy, he was clearly speaking to the republican led do nothing congress that has continued to refuse to act and asked them to "do their job".
Conservatives are already referring to the presidents remarks yesterday at the service for the slain Dallas police officers, as "hateful", just as my remarks calling the level of mass shootings and gun violence unacceptable, are being referred to as "hateful" and "venomous". Ken has just illustrated my point quite clearly that apparently some believe the level of gun violence and mass shootings is acceptable given the false claim that 2 million times a year fire arms are used defensively. Even if that statement was true, which it clearly isn't, it still wouldn't justify the level of gun violence or the mass murder of school children, moviegoers, nightclubbers or police officers doing their jobs.
Action must be taken and action will be taken starting next January when we have a new democratic president and senate, and perhaps even a democratic congress.
Australia is an example of what can be done to stop mass shootings and greatly reduce the level of gun violence, and we can do something too.
In the wake of the tragic shooting of police officers in Dallas last week, chief Brown has called on our government to "do something" about our "gun problem". Chief Brown also stated that open carry activists were making matters worse, were confusing the police and were considered suspects until proven otherwise. What venomous hate filled rhetoric.
Yes Dan K., you are correct. The overall crime rate has been going down steadily, and that's a good thing. Since gun crime is part of that statistic, gun crime has decreased as well. But it is still an alarming rate. It is still many times higher than any other advanced nation in the world. The number of mass shootings has gone up however, and yes, many of us believe that it is an epidemic.
I understand that to many of you, over thirty thousand gun related deaths per year is just fine and completely acceptable, nothing to be concerned about. Mass shootings are just part of the price of freedom to buy as many and any type of guns you want and no background check should be required. First graders slaughtered in their classroom. Theater goers whipped out. Night clubbers mowed down by someone who was at one time on the terrorist watch list, but because of lax laws, allowed to by an assault style weapon just days before committing mass murder. But that's perfectly acceptable to the gun crowd because you know, the 2nd amendment and liberals are trying to take away our guns. Existing laws aren't being enforced? Whose fault is that and do you have evidence that liberals are suggesting that existing laws shouldn't be enforced? What laws are you referring to that are not being enforced and would help stop mass shootings and lower the number of gun related deaths? I thought you all said that gun laws don't work anyway? So is it that they don't work, or that they aren't enforced, I'm confused.
Nothing can be done you say. Criminals don't obey laws. Background checks and tougher gun laws don't work. If criminals don't obey laws and they do no good, why do we have any laws? If background checks and stiffer gun laws are worthless, how do you explain the success Australia has had and why do you think mass shooters have been using semi automatic weapons instead of fully automatic weapons? Seems like they could do a lot more damage with a fully automatic machine gun, but oh wait, they're really hard to get. Assault style semi autos are really easy to get, so they'll do.
Well I got news for you, most Americans see gun violence as a huge problem and they do want to do something about it. Most Americans favor increased background checks for instance, and states are starting to act on their own. Hawaii and California are leading the way, and I really like the idea of requiring background checks to buy ammo. Brilliant! Can't wait to hear the the argument about how this new provision violates the 2nd amendment. Don't recall seeing any reference to ammo in the constitution.
Hawaii and California are leading the way. Good for them. Background checks for ammo. Yeah, great idea, I wonder how this could be seen as a violation of the 2nd amendment. I'm sure these new pieces of legislation will be challenged and end up in the supreme court. Should be interesting and makes the stakes even higher for the upcoming election.
I must say, if I were a gun advocate, or the NRA, I would be coming up with real solutions to address the epidemic of gun violence. Rather than say NO to every proposal or even worse, deny that there is an epidemic of gun violence in this is country, why not come up with some realistic way to deal with mass shootings and overall gun crime? More guns or arming everyone is clearly not a solution and doesn't resonate with thinking people. Over 80% of the general public, and many NRA members, are in favor of increased background checks for instance. You speak of mental health issues, or addressing the root cause of gun violence, but you offer no workable solutions and do nothing, Denial and doing nothing are not solutions. If you are really worried about increased limitations to your 2nd amendment rights, the smart thing to do would be to solve the problem.
James I certainly don't believe my suggestions are band aids, but of course you are entitled to your opinion. I agree though that they can be thought of as "band aids" considering the fact that there is and has been no other proposed solution to the gun problem. To understand why the magnitude of mass shootings and incidence of gun related violence is a great idea, but how and when do you do it. And what's wrong with using a band aid to stop the bleeding until you figure it out? There is already plenty of legal precedent to prove that the 2nd amendment is not an unlimited right.
Some allege that there is no gun problem, OK. It isn't as bad as the media says, that type of thing. Some say it's not the fact that we have more guns per capita than any other advanced society in the world, has nothing to do with it. They will even go so far as to claim that more guns make us safer, evidence to the contrary be damned. They will dispute the numbers and say we need more guns. Others claim it's not the guns it's' the people using the guns. But they offer no solution. These same folks oppose background checks and talk about mental health, but offer no way to deal with the mental health issues.
Again, take away the FEAR that the government is after your guns and I can see no logical reason why increased background checks, closing the gun show loophole and requiring background checks for every transfer would be objectionable. You say it won't work, but how can you be so certain when it hasn't been tried? I works in other countries, why wouldn't it work here?
Even if you are totally opposed to background checks, what about increased penalties, severe penalties in fact, for illegal possession or use of a gun? Would that be objectionable?
Another thought for you.....courage does not mean one is without fear. Courage is the ability to overcome fear. Courage is what is needed, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt the pro gun crowd has what it takes.
Brian.....apparently you are unaware that there are different types of fear. There is rational fear and irrational fear. Rational fear is a good thing and keeps us from doing stupid stuff like driving too fast on an icy road, jumping off a cliff, or climbing in the ring without protective gear. Irrational fear is a bad thing and prevents people from learning and improving and experiencing things they might otherwise enjoy. What you and the pro gun crowd are paralyzed with is irrational fear. The irrational fear that the government, or liberals are coming for your guns. This is a completely irrational fear that is baseless and defies logic.
Too afraid to leave your house without a gun, even though the chance that you would need it for self defense or to stop a crime is exceedingly rare. But when your irrational fear endangers the lives of innocent people, that's just wrong. You're correct that it should be the choice of each individual to wear a helmet, keep a fire extinguisher handy, lock your doors or even carry a gun around if you don't posses the skills to defend yourself, but when your irrational fear puts the lives of others in danger, that's not OK.
Last login: Tuesday, July 5, 2016
Contents of this site are © Copyright 2016 Steamboat Pilot & Today. All rights reserved.
Tablet version |