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Dan K, the truth is that the this country is becoming more and more socially liberal, thank God it's about time. We are finally starting to catch up to the 21st century, and leave behind the 1950's social norms. Maybe someday you'll catch up. And sorry but this isn't my opinion, it's a fact! As far as economic conservatism is concerned, the GOP and it's followers claim to be fiscally conservative, but in fact, spend and rack up debt like drunken sailors on shore leave whenever they get the opportunity. Just check the economic record of which party has done a better job managing the economy. Again, not my opinion, fact. So you say the 97% is a myth and why? Because you found an article that says it is. Sorta like when you claimed that Cliven Bundy wasn't a racist because a couple African Americans came forward and said he wasn't. Never mind all the racist statements he made to the media.HAHAHAHA. Think about this. There is no scientific causal link between smoking cigarettes and getting cancer. But there is a ton of scientific evidence that suggests that there is a link and a direct proven statistical correlation between smoking and developing cancer. So, are you going to say that because there is no actual proof that smoking causes cancer, you are going to decide to smoke? It's exactly the same with climate science. There is a mountain of statistical evidence that correlates the activities of man to climate change. There is no other explanation in natural climate deviation. And 97% of climate scientists agree on this fact, or I could be wrong, maybe it's 96% or 92% or something. So just keep on denying. I don't care. The conservative mentality is being left behind. The hangers on are kicking and screaming and denying the truth, but in the end, people are becoming more educated and there are more and more immigrants and people of color joining the fight for freedom and equality and fewer and fewer older, ideologically rigid, white males who are stuck in the past. Liberal ideology is going to win out in the end, it always has, and it always will!
"Conservatives and republicans will continue to lose on issues of morality" says marc. So are you comparing gay marriage to bank robbers, rapists, murders and pedophiles? Since when did being born gay and wanting to love another human being become an immoral act? Marriage is a contract between two consenting adults in the eyes of the law, nothing more and nothing less. With this contract come certain rights and privileges such as survivorship and in matters of insurance and certain rights in the event of a medical emergency. This has nothing to do with religious believe or someones ideas about morality. And this talk of morality comes from someone who is happy to avail himself of all the benefits and protections that society provides, and is proud to not contribute one cent to help pay for it all. Is that your version of "morality?" And then you accuse me of making derogatory comments and continue to remain silent with regard to the obvious, overt and continued personal attacks being leveled against me. Talk about hypocrisy! And once again we hear from Brian, the one trick pony, Kotowski. Hey dude, that all you got? Must a really hit a nerve there. Can't let it go, eh? Hey Brian, make sure that under no circumstances do you ever mention the rude, crude, vial language used by your BB, JB against me. And why you ask......what could I have done to deserve this kind of personal insult......why of course.....I dared to speak out against the posse. Conservative tribalism and hypocrisy at it best, right before our eyes. Wow!
Good morning. I am pleased to announce that for the first time in the history of the Gallup Poll, it has just been announced that more Americans now describe themselves as "socially liberal" and fewer Americans describe themselves as "socially conservative." In fact, most Americans now describe themselves as"socially liberal." Get that, most, that means a majority of Americans, describe themselves as "socially liberal." Three cheers for our side! The tide is turning, more Americans are waking up to the hypocrisy and outdated 1950's style rigid, myopic thinking that is so prevalent in todays GOP. The tide is turning even within the republican party. Who woudda thought. The states rights argument is at least not based in some religious fundamentalism on it's surface, but underneath, it would still attempt to condone state sponsored discrimination against a protected class. Federally, the first amendment states that congress shall make no law the recognizes the establishment of religion. My argument is that discriminating against gays is based on religious doctrine and therefore banning gay marriage is in effect, recognizing the establishment of religion. It would be no different than legitimizing some tenet of the paranoid, right wing, nuts, oft mentioned Sharia Law. Now I know we have numerous constitutional scholars in the audience who will disagree and that's fine. At least I don't claim to be a constitutional expert. Lastly for the record, I would think reasonably intelligent adults would be able to recognize the difference between a personal, ad hominem attack, AKA, attacking the messenger, and an attack against a political party or a political ideology. I did not at any time level a personal, ad hominem attack against anyone, in accordance with the policy of this forum. Dan K's. sycophant insults me personally on a regular basis and did it again at the beginning of this thread. Oh by the way, sycophant is not an insult but rather a description, it means a "yes man," look it up. It would seem that if a person had a worthwhile convincing argument to make, there would be no need to attack the messenger. This is just another blatant example of conservative hypocrisy in attacking me and being afraid to utter even one word and denounce Dan K's "yes man" who continues to attack me, "personally," and thereby continues to violate the very policy that we all agree to when we choose to participate in this forum. Not at all surprising. Oh and PS, the United States Military has announced that "climate change is real and a threat to our national security." I wouldn't describe our military as a "liberal organization," would you?
The 97% is only a myth in the conservative brain. And yes climate science is real science. Again, this is a major part of the conservative strategy, when confronted with factual evidence that you cannot dispute, just deny that it exists. Don't try and find fault with the scientific methodology of the numerous studies, just deny that they exist. Brilliant. So where is your conservative Christian scientific evidence that if gay marriage is legal, more people will decide to become gay and marry just because it's legal? Or if gays are allowed to marry, it will somehow degrade or affect your opposite sex marriage. Or that being gay is a choice. Do you really believe that any one who is heterosexual could just all of a sudden decide to be gay, or that someone who is gay could just all of a sudden decide to be straight? Really? These are all GOP talking points and not just something that I made up. So if in your mind Dan K., the fact that I repeat conservative talking points is somehow insulting somebody, I guess to you, I am insulting you. And what exactly is the conservative argument against gay marriage? This is just more of the same, useless, hypocritical waste of everyone's time nonsense coming from the GOP. So Dan K. you say,"Most people who participate in this forum are reasonable people who exchange ideas and reasonably agree to disagree." Then you go on to say that somehow I insulted someone because I stated facts and reasonably disagree. I don't see anywhere that I insulted someone. Then you say nothing as your sycophant goes on to insult me personally, which by the way is forbidden by the rules of this forum, and of course you say nothing. This is a perfect example of the conservative brain hypocrisy that is rampant and out of control. So thanks again for making my point for me.
Yes Russell the home ownership model has indeed changed over the recent years and many people are better off renting. Home ownership should be thought of as a long term commitment and there is nothing like owning your little piece of heaven. It used to be that when you bought a home, you could count on steady appreciation and recoup your mortgage interest expense and realize a profit when you sold. This is not always true today, at least in the short term. However in the long term, real estate investment has consistently outperformed many other forms of investment and you get to live in it, as well as other tax advantages. Can't say that for too many other investments. But you are absolutely correct that home ownership is not for everyone.
I think the most ridiculous argument that I have heard from the right wing goes something like this. If gay people are allowed to marry and being gay becomes acceptable, then everyone will want to be gay and get married to other gay people. Now just think about that for a moment. These nuts actually believe that the only reason more people aren't gay is because they can't legally marry and because being gay is frowned upon by religious zealots. Really. So how many of you who are heterosexual really believe that if gay marriage was legal, you would then decide to start up a relationship with someone of your own sex. It's hard to imagine what goes on inside the conservative brain. Here's another one. So conservatives deny climate science and dispute the opinion of the 97% of climate scientists who study these things. Let me ask you this, if you were about to board an airplane, and 97% of aeronautical engineers said that the plane was going to crash, would you still get on?
Thanks Dan K, glad you enjoy my comments. I agree with you and Scott and Russell that there is or could be plenty of affordable housing in outlying areas. And it is a choice to live and work here and people should realize the challenges before relocating to a ski resort. Also agree with Scott that if the solution lies in housing located in outlying areas, efforts should be made to assist people in getting to and from Steamboat, and this could be all that is needed. Whether this involves publicly funded mass transit or some other means I don't have the answer Dan K., but if it's for the betterment of all and for safety at the least, some effort should be made, in my opinion.
Hey Dan K, looks like your sycophant is getting a little testy. He even corrected my spelling and this time I agree with him that his spelling is definitely more accurate than mine. And he knows some Canadians too. If you weren't so angry and frustrated and actually read what I wrote, you could answer your own questions. OK, so I got the answer to the affordable housing issue that should work for you. More campgrounds! That's right, more campgrounds. Do away with zoning regulations, as has been suggested, and just let workers pitch a tent wherever they want. Anyone should be able to afford a tent and maybe a camp stove and a sleeping bag, right? Might be a little rough in the winter, but who cares, they'll just have to deal with it. After all, if they weren't all so lazy and used to livin' off the gubbamint teet they would be rich and be able to afford a big house. There you go, problem solved.
Dan K you cherry picked, just like you did with the ACA. Deny, deny, deny it's the party line. Affordable housing is a worthy cause and one that I support. That doesn't mean that I have the answer as to how to accomplish this goal, I don't. In fact, I don't know how important it is here in Steamboat since I haven't studied the issue and haven't seen any documentation to suggest how serious this issue is here. That's why I said I don't really care that much about it. But you left that part out, didn't you. Maybe you can do some more parsing. You also know darn well what I mean by clan. The anti every thing, government is always evil no matter what, ungrateful for all the services that the gubbamint does provide, criticize with no solutions, the sky is falling crowd. Depressing, sad little group to be sure. Sorry John, you're wrong again. Socialism exists right now in this country. Who said socialism and capitalism are mutually exclusive? I didn't. They are not! Socialized medicine is working very well throughout Europe, Scandinavia, and Canada. It should be here as well. Then you all could quit whining about the ACA and the individual mandate that IS the conservative idea. Let's not forget that little jewel. Ever think about the FAA, DOD, public schools, public utilities, police, fire, social security, medicare. These are all socialist programs. Neither socialism, nor capitalism can survive in their pure form without a mix of both and without regulation. Even though the anti gubbamint crowd would love to see an end to all regulation and a pure capitalist system, they would also see an end to our economy and our nation. But no, let's continue to live in fear of the evil word, "socialism." Scaaarrrryyyy.
Actually Dan K I was referring to you and your little clan. Nice job of cherry picking my comments. Sort a like how you cherry pick only the negatives about the ACA. Funny. I stand by every single one of my comments. Nowhere did I say affordable housing had to be built or where it would be built. I am saying that it is a need as opposed to a want. I am not advocating for or against actually building it. I also said I didn't really care that much about it. It is important for low wage workers to have a habitable place to live. I'll say it again for you, and affordable housing will not be built in the private sector without some form of gubbamint intervention. I think it is needed and would be a great thing to have, and an asset to the community, but I don't care if it is built or not. People will manage with or without it just as they have been doing. Scott, I believe that people should have a reasonable expectation that if they buy a home in a residential neighborhood, other homes in the neighborhood will be used as a residence. Not a hotel, or a trailer park or a manufacturing facility. That's why we have planning and zoning. Protects property values and quality of life.
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