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I agree and do think that the cost is to much to expect from each person in the community, which is why I have mentioned that I have seen retrofited lids before, just cant remember where. I would suggest the city contact Allied Waste to see if they have provided that to customers in Bouulder area in the past. I thouht that Minturn had done this but not sure. Maybe if the city wouldnt throw money away on parking studies, $50,000 on LED for Yampa St and what not, Stmbt could somehow afford to minimize the cost to the community.
So John, are you saying that we were here before the bears? This is Colorado(wildelife country), a state that works hard to educate those on how to live around wildlife. I certainly agree that we dont want bears running around town but again this has been human created, especially now that Stmbt has been over developed. Wildlife actualy have almost more rights in Colorado then people. There are many laws protecting them including shooting them. If you leash your dog at a campsite and a mountain lion sees him as a snack, unless you as a human are threatened you cannot shoot or kill it. Fines and jail time most likely will happen. Just google the incident at Gross Damn res back around 2000-2001. A wisconsin kid got in deep trouble with DOW for just that... Same with bears. Unless you are threatened for your life, you cannot shoot or kill it. Unitensionaly baiting an animal with food falls into the same cattegory with the DOW.... PLAIN AND SIMPLE..WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT TRASH as a first step.
I agree with you Steve. Many Locals have voiced frusrtation on not being able to attend the Tex Fes. This is a big music week in Stmbt and it has never made sense to me why the community is basicaly not allowed to attend unless we shell out $600. By the way, only the free concert series has been going for 30 yrs and started at the court house lawn, not the tex fest or bud-rocks the boat. I think those have been about 1/2 that. Not sure why the pilot posted it that way.
One of the biggest problems I see are the commercial and private business dumpsters are not properly secured. Walton ponds took measures a couple yrs ago to solving the issue by re-doing the dumpsters there. I have worked at many places that dont lock the bars at night or dont have bars at all. Thats just lazy and invites trouble.. I realize its a financial expense, but IMO that comes with what has been created and the life style of wanting to live in bear country. If the city is not going to enforce new lids or cans, then we will see how well they can inforce when the trash can be rolled out to the curb. I fear that we will not see much of a change and the problem will continue to exist and get worse.. I hope I am wrong.. Spring will be here soon, so we will see.
They are in the right town then if they have a drinking problem. Welcome to Drinkboat USA!!!
Ding ding...Looks like the bears won round one..Looks like the city have worn their flip flop sandals on this subject. Now we can now turn into a great educational commuity of how to handle a problem that we created. (Shoot'm, relocate'm, euthanize'm) but lets not do what every outdoor class teaches you when one lives in bear country(to stow your trash and food). I wish Jim would have said something at the meeting. I bet he would agree that trash is the #1 solution to this matter and it wouldnt suprise me if he is rolling his eyes at the cities decision. I agree with Nora that the city should have been working on this for the last 10-15yrs. Now that Stmbt has trippled in size, it will become more difficult to impose a financial expense for trash cans, but IMO still should be done... Management companies and private business's also need to be held liable for not raising the bars on the dumpsters and locking them up at night (wich in many cases is not being done). It will also keep those from illegal dumping.
I have mentioned before that there are retrofit lids for the 90 gal roller totes that I have seen used that work with black bears. I am pretty sure that Minturn uses these for a cost of around $75 but I am not sure. I hope the city seriously looks into it. Would that be an affordable cost??? I'm sure for some it will still be to much... Thank you Steve Wienland... I believe that you are correct when it comes to this matter and you see it first hand. What a mess you must have to clean up throughout our town. You should charge extra for that kind of clean up!!!!
Hired guns running wild in Stmbt = a bad idea and will never fly with any true local support. Air horns hooked up to motion detectors also = a bad idea. How many times will that get set off by the owner, a fox, neighbors dog, your dog or anything else..... I dont really think its fair to compare Stmbt to Tahoe or Yosimite.. Stmbt is a high mountain desert surounded by the mountains. We are not a very wooded area except in a few places, (sanctuary and what not). Bears wood prefer to roam under cover for food and shelter. Easy trash pickings has made it a convenient food source which has now become a habbit for these animals to come into town. It also creates bears to become more comfortable around humans.. What we are seeing now are cubs from many years ago who have learned these habbits from their mom without learning any other way.
These are going to be hard habbits to break, will not happen over night but we have to start by not drawing them in with a trash buffet.. (This has ALWAYS been the #1 rule for living in bear country).. I agree that only after trash percautions are taken that harder measures should be used (rubber bullets, relocation, euthanization) and in the rare circumstance of a bear getting into a home (tack strip).. but again this is rare and more likely to happen in rural areas unless your house is a barn and you leave your fridge door open.
Most condos and hotels have some sourt of management (maintenance) or security company being used to make its evening rounds to lock up the pool area and what not. Imo.., it should be the management company or security service used that should be responsible to barring and locking up the dumpsters at 10pm or so at night.
Funny that you do that Jeff. My old neighbor in Coal Creek Canyon had a bear constantly getting into her trash. This bear was just making a mess of things. She started storeing her trash in freezer untill trash day. Spent many evenings there and it never smelled funny in her home. Worked great for her. She never had a bear problem after.
.......Also good things to know.......
To discourage a black bear, immediately:
If hiking, alter your route to avoid a bear in the distance.
Make yourself as large and imposing as possible if the bear continues to approach. Stand upright and wave your arms, jacket or other items. Make loud noises, such as yelling, whistles, and banging pots and pans.
Do not run and never play dead.
Give the bear a chance to leave the area.
If the bear does not leave, stay calm, continue facing it, and slowly back away.
If a bear is in your yard, scare it away from inside the house with loud noises or maybe a fire cracker, keeping the door closed. Dont admire it by takeing photos or telling your friends to come over. Ok, maybe a photo or two.. Let the bear know that it is not welcome.
Black bears usually avoid people, but if they start to associate people with food they may become aggressive. On the rare occasion that a black bear becomes aggressive fight back with everything in your power – fists, sticks, rocks, pepper spray... This is the rare extreme... I would be more concerned with Moose encounters then a Black Bear.
Bears can be common at high elevations where food is plentiful. Different bears will visit the same area if attractants are not removed. Removal of a bear ia usally a last resort... Bears that must be removed are relocated or may have to be destroyed if they are considered too dangerous, have lost their fear of humans, or continue to get into conflicts with people. Removing any wild animal is traumatic for the animal, and usually can be prevented by not feeding or giveing water to black bears. Also, human behaviors, such as feeding other animals, can attract black bears.
Feed your pets inside or remove uneaten pet food between feedings.
Keep garbage in secure buildings and bear proof trash receptacles.
Remove other enticing food sources, such as birdseed, bird feeders, hummingbird feed (sweet liquid), fruit from trees or shrubs located near buildings.
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