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They are in the right town then if they have a drinking problem. Welcome to Drinkboat USA!!!
Ding ding...Looks like the bears won round one..Looks like the city have worn their flip flop sandals on this subject. Now we can now turn into a great educational commuity of how to handle a problem that we created. (Shoot'm, relocate'm, euthanize'm) but lets not do what every outdoor class teaches you when one lives in bear country(to stow your trash and food). I wish Jim would have said something at the meeting. I bet he would agree that trash is the #1 solution to this matter and it wouldnt suprise me if he is rolling his eyes at the cities decision. I agree with Nora that the city should have been working on this for the last 10-15yrs. Now that Stmbt has trippled in size, it will become more difficult to impose a financial expense for trash cans, but IMO still should be done... Management companies and private business's also need to be held liable for not raising the bars on the dumpsters and locking them up at night (wich in many cases is not being done). It will also keep those from illegal dumping.
I have mentioned before that there are retrofit lids for the 90 gal roller totes that I have seen used that work with black bears. I am pretty sure that Minturn uses these for a cost of around $75 but I am not sure. I hope the city seriously looks into it. Would that be an affordable cost??? I'm sure for some it will still be to much... Thank you Steve Wienland... I believe that you are correct when it comes to this matter and you see it first hand. What a mess you must have to clean up throughout our town. You should charge extra for that kind of clean up!!!!
Hired guns running wild in Stmbt = a bad idea and will never fly with any true local support. Air horns hooked up to motion detectors also = a bad idea. How many times will that get set off by the owner, a fox, neighbors dog, your dog or anything else..... I dont really think its fair to compare Stmbt to Tahoe or Yosimite.. Stmbt is a high mountain desert surounded by the mountains. We are not a very wooded area except in a few places, (sanctuary and what not). Bears wood prefer to roam under cover for food and shelter. Easy trash pickings has made it a convenient food source which has now become a habbit for these animals to come into town. It also creates bears to become more comfortable around humans.. What we are seeing now are cubs from many years ago who have learned these habbits from their mom without learning any other way.
These are going to be hard habbits to break, will not happen over night but we have to start by not drawing them in with a trash buffet.. (This has ALWAYS been the #1 rule for living in bear country).. I agree that only after trash percautions are taken that harder measures should be used (rubber bullets, relocation, euthanization) and in the rare circumstance of a bear getting into a home (tack strip).. but again this is rare and more likely to happen in rural areas unless your house is a barn and you leave your fridge door open.
Most condos and hotels have some sourt of management (maintenance) or security company being used to make its evening rounds to lock up the pool area and what not. Imo.., it should be the management company or security service used that should be responsible to barring and locking up the dumpsters at 10pm or so at night.
Funny that you do that Jeff. My old neighbor in Coal Creek Canyon had a bear constantly getting into her trash. This bear was just making a mess of things. She started storeing her trash in freezer untill trash day. Spent many evenings there and it never smelled funny in her home. Worked great for her. She never had a bear problem after.
.......Also good things to know.......
To discourage a black bear, immediately:
If hiking, alter your route to avoid a bear in the distance.
Make yourself as large and imposing as possible if the bear continues to approach. Stand upright and wave your arms, jacket or other items. Make loud noises, such as yelling, whistles, and banging pots and pans.
Do not run and never play dead.
Give the bear a chance to leave the area.
If the bear does not leave, stay calm, continue facing it, and slowly back away.
If a bear is in your yard, scare it away from inside the house with loud noises or maybe a fire cracker, keeping the door closed. Dont admire it by takeing photos or telling your friends to come over. Ok, maybe a photo or two.. Let the bear know that it is not welcome.
Black bears usually avoid people, but if they start to associate people with food they may become aggressive. On the rare occasion that a black bear becomes aggressive fight back with everything in your power – fists, sticks, rocks, pepper spray... This is the rare extreme... I would be more concerned with Moose encounters then a Black Bear.
Bears can be common at high elevations where food is plentiful. Different bears will visit the same area if attractants are not removed. Removal of a bear ia usally a last resort... Bears that must be removed are relocated or may have to be destroyed if they are considered too dangerous, have lost their fear of humans, or continue to get into conflicts with people. Removing any wild animal is traumatic for the animal, and usually can be prevented by not feeding or giveing water to black bears. Also, human behaviors, such as feeding other animals, can attract black bears.
Feed your pets inside or remove uneaten pet food between feedings.
Keep garbage in secure buildings and bear proof trash receptacles.
Remove other enticing food sources, such as birdseed, bird feeders, hummingbird feed (sweet liquid), fruit from trees or shrubs located near buildings.
Although I agree that extreme measures must occassionally be used, I dont believe Steamboat has or will reach the wide use of this tactic. I think we will all be suprised after trash is stored more responsibly how random human encouters will occure.... I am pretty sure there is a way to retrofit the 96 gal roller tote with a bear poof lid for a fraction of the cost. I know I have seen them but cant remember where. It may have been Minturn.
...FACT.... Most conflicts are the result of people unintentionally feeding bears, most often by allowing them access to household garbage or bird feeders. They raid dumpsters, garbage cans and grills looking for an easy meal. Although uncommon, black bear attacks on humans occasionally occur, especially in areas where they come into frequent contact with people and their food.
Bears may visit areas of human use because they find food. Food can include unsecured garbage, bird feeders, birdseed, pet food, fruit trees and some gardens. Drought, wildfire and urban development can cause bears to roam farther in search of new food sources. Young bears sometimes travel long distances in search of an area not already occupied by another bear.
Although, black bears should always be considered unpredictable and potentially dangerous. A black bear will usually detect you and leave the area before you notice, unless the bear has been conditioned to people and their food. If you live in black bear country, take responsibility for not attracting them......
LMAO.. Isn't this Ski Town USA.???
Glad to see Stmbt working on a solution. Boulder, Minturn and many other towns bear problems have been reduced by not allowing them easy access to food which is passed on to the cubs for life. I am from Durango and why they still have a bear problem can only make me to believe that they are not being strict enough on trash storage. Boulder is having success and anyone who knows anything about Boulder, knows that they are one of the strictest counties in the state unless you live in Ward. (500sq miles surrounded by reality).
We have to remember that once the cubs learn the bad habbits from the mother it is imbedded into their life style and in many cases for ever. Controlling the food source IS the solution and it wont happen over night. Bad habbits for bears are hard to break. We will still see bears in town trying to break into trash cans but should see a huge reduction of encounters within the next couple years after the new rules are imposed. I do not believe we will see an increase of bears breaking into houses for food if the home is locked up. Incidences like this are rare. Dave M. is correct. We will always see bears in places such as Yosimite due to it being a national forest full of campers who foolishly store their food in a car, loose cooler or worse a tent.
When camping, food should always be stored where a bear cant get to it. Rule of thumb, rope it up 20ft high off a tree branch). Cars are always prone to bear damage if food is left in it (especially if parked in a national forest). Very doubtful a bear will get into a locked car but can do some damage before moveing on. If you keep food in your tent then you are only asking for a nasty encounter with a bear. Shooting bears should only be a last resort and that includes non lethal. These arent grizzlys or polars and in most cases are harmless and can be scared off by just banging a pot and spoon together. These are the mountains people. If you cant lock up your food and trash propperly then please dont move here. Also, those who keep feeding are abundance of foxes in the area, PLEASE STOP!!!!
Maybe it should be how it started.. Free to any rider with a local drivers license. Remember the orange pass.. I cant remember how much it was for all other riders.. I do remember going to video depot and having it laminated to the back of my ski pass..
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