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Ohhh,,, the days of ASC (Another Screwed Up Company)... Couldnt even get an SUV with a ski rack into the underground parking not to mention the construction contracting roller coaster ride, hence the name "The Grand Plummet"... And the free concert dilema that just arose along with the bus, RVP, police station, Iron Horse, $$ parking studies, blightened yampa and other recent debacles, will all weigh in to be the straws that breaks the cammels back for the city manager and council.
Sorry Scott. It was a while ago and I forgot the exact circumstances. He did not get fined mostly because the lion began to aproach them. I believe if he would have shot the lion only during the attack on his dog, the outcome may have been different. Being from Wisconsin and not realizing that leashing your dog up outside like that is most likely what helped his case. When we lived in Coal Creek Canyon we always had the same black bear come down our long driveway and then scury onto a wildlife trail and into the woods. We had a bear proof can that was left outside for 4 years that the bear pretty much ignored. The only thing the bear ever swiped at was our bird feederwhich we removed the next day. Our neighbor did not have a bear proof can and wasnt so lucky untill she started freezing her trash. Something I never would have thought of but seemed to work great... We were more cocerned about mountain lions and knew of 2 large cats in the area that took out a couple of neighbors dogs and one neighbors pack llama. Once every week or so, we could here the cat walking around our area crying for about an hour. Never let our dogs out at dusk unless we went out with them. Had many nights where my hair stood up with that feeling I was being watched. I even started carrying my gun with me depending on where I was walking to on our property.
You bet.. No he wasnt charged and I totaly defend him for shooting the cougar. Would have done the same myself. Even though he may not have realized it, I dont defend him for unintensionaly baiting the cougar. Just like here, we are baiting bears and in many cases unintensionaly by people puting their trash out the night before. Even early morning can still attract them. But the city wide commercial and private business dumpsters have become a problem. I have seen way to many bears over the last few years sitting on top or crushing the lids down with their weight to get in. This year has been the worst I have seen. Walked by the new rotary club gazebo at the wetlands board walk yesterday. Trash can was overflowing with trash just pouring out of it on the ground. Doesnt look like it has been emptied in weeks. Glad the bears are in hybernation. Why do we have some cans bear proof and some that are not just a 100 yards apart from each other. It doesnt make any sense. IMO all the city wide trash and recycling cans should be bear proof cans. Not just some of them as they are throughout Stmbt.
(Google Wisconsin man shoots Mtn lion near Gross Resevoir.) http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-308346.httml
Here you go Ken....... http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-308346.html (just type in wisconsin man shoots mountain lion near Gross Res)
It was all over the news for days. I will look for it and post it once I find it.. We have every right to protect our private property, pets, children and livestock, I dont disagree with that. Every circumstace will be looked at to make sure that shooting any wildelife is justfied, just like with the make my day law. The laws in Colorado are strict...
I agree and do think that the cost is to much to expect from each person in the community, which is why I have mentioned that I have seen retrofited lids before, just cant remember where. I would suggest the city contact Allied Waste to see if they have provided that to customers in Bouulder area in the past. I thouht that Minturn had done this but not sure. Maybe if the city wouldnt throw money away on parking studies, $50,000 on LED for Yampa St and what not, Stmbt could somehow afford to minimize the cost to the community.
So John, are you saying that we were here before the bears? This is Colorado(wildelife country), a state that works hard to educate those on how to live around wildlife. I certainly agree that we dont want bears running around town but again this has been human created, especially now that Stmbt has been over developed. Wildlife actualy have almost more rights in Colorado then people. There are many laws protecting them including shooting them. If you leash your dog at a campsite and a mountain lion sees him as a snack, unless you as a human are threatened you cannot shoot or kill it. Fines and jail time most likely will happen. Just google the incident at Gross Damn res back around 2000-2001. A wisconsin kid got in deep trouble with DOW for just that... Same with bears. Unless you are threatened for your life, you cannot shoot or kill it. Unitensionaly baiting an animal with food falls into the same cattegory with the DOW.... PLAIN AND SIMPLE..WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT TRASH as a first step.
I agree with you Steve. Many Locals have voiced frusrtation on not being able to attend the Tex Fes. This is a big music week in Stmbt and it has never made sense to me why the community is basicaly not allowed to attend unless we shell out $600. By the way, only the free concert series has been going for 30 yrs and started at the court house lawn, not the tex fest or bud-rocks the boat. I think those have been about 1/2 that. Not sure why the pilot posted it that way.
One of the biggest problems I see are the commercial and private business dumpsters are not properly secured. Walton ponds took measures a couple yrs ago to solving the issue by re-doing the dumpsters there. I have worked at many places that dont lock the bars at night or dont have bars at all. Thats just lazy and invites trouble.. I realize its a financial expense, but IMO that comes with what has been created and the life style of wanting to live in bear country. If the city is not going to enforce new lids or cans, then we will see how well they can inforce when the trash can be rolled out to the curb. I fear that we will not see much of a change and the problem will continue to exist and get worse.. I hope I am wrong.. Spring will be here soon, so we will see.
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