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Four simple rules.
These rules cover major expenses and bring market forces to bear on both the cost of healthcare and the cost of insurance. Why should health insurance be cheaper if you work for IBM or GM but self-employed or small business pay thru the nose? Insurance must be regulated to proved a baseline benefit that covers you in the case of extreme expenses.
What BS do you refer to John Bailey? I can find some very different opinions in this article but almost none of it looks like BS. What I do find is a discussion about differences of opinion with multiple examples to support varying points of view. This particular thread actually seems to be more meat and potatoes than BS and conjecture IMO, that is why I chimed in.
Is it BS to have different opinions than other members of the community?
I apologize that I have work obligations that take me away from constant internet connectivity. I only had time for one response this morning.
Jerry, it is abominable and a clear violation of what was intended. WIll you join me in calling for Term Limits? I propose the following.
a. 2 terms President, 2 terms Senator, 5 terms House. Then you are done. 10 years in elected office prevents you from running for any other elected office forever. Return to the Private sector.
b. No retirement, no health bennies when out of office.
c. unlimited campaign contributions from anyone with the following regulations:
All contributions are public information. No more pacs, super pacs and hidden funding.
No fundraising until the calendar year of the election
At the end of each election, all excess campaign funds are forfeited to the Local/State/Fed to retire debt. Every candidate starts with zero dollars in their campaign fund.
Service to this country should be just that. Service and not a lifetime entitlement. Go home at the end of your service to this country and earn a living like the rest of us.
These discussions have been going on in our country now for over 200 years and your grandchildren will be discussing these same issues 50 and 100 years from now. I hope by then that they have learned to present their views with an open mind and listen to those that disagree instead of attacking the messenger.
Regardless, I wish each and every one of you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year. If I see you around town or on the slopes I will shake your hand, smile and say hello. I wish you the very best of luck in re-writing centuries of Constitutional Law but will not hold my breath waiting..
Well over 100 years of Supreme Court history would disagree with your "interpretation". Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, and now Obamacare(Just for you Mark). Have all been determined to fall within the the boundaries and limitations of the Constitution. You can call the entire system corrupt because those decisions disagree with your interpretation but reasonable people know how to concede when they are wrong. There are many things wrong with the ACA, but claiming that the President in illegitimate and the laws he passed unconstitutional is not going to convince anyone. Yes, there are problems with many of our existing laws and I would change or eliminate many of them. Discussion, debate and the voting booth are the proper forum for these changes.
When you so adamantly argue against the very document you profess to adhere to, it makes all of your discussion look wildly inaccurate. You know very little about my beliefs but choose to attack me as an individual because I disagree with your "opinion" about existing law. So be it, I knew that I would be attacked for disagreeing with the conservative bloggers on this site but that does not mean that my "opinion" is any less valid than yours. Rest assured there are many of us "liberals" out there that see a need for moderation and control over market forces. Most of them just choose not to actively engage on these forums due to their negative nature but express their opinions in the voting booth. I believe you refer to us as "low information" voters in an attempt to discredit those that disagree with you.
While I may disagree with what you have opined, I read and contemplated every word and every link before expressing my personal opinion. If you would like to change the law leading all the way back to Abraham Lincoln, me thinks you have quit listening to reason. Give it up man, that is just not possible and your beliefs are very much in the minority no matter how strongly you feel. The very examples quoted by Mark show Constitutional Law as a living breathing document with amendments and changes that were later determined to be wrong and were further amended. That being the case, we must incorporate the entire history of law rather than relying on a narrow interpretation of the founders intent. Our country is simply not the same as it was in the 1700's and our laws need to be kept up to date with modern concerns and issues. The founders could never have forseen air travel from NY to LA in 4 hours or the electronic forum that we are now communicating in. These things were beyond their comprehension and not included in the Constitution. Does that mean those things should be ignored and not regulated because the founders did not specifically discuss them?
4 Mark, a tail is not a leg as everyone knows.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
I did not write these words, the founders did and they are a direct quote from the "Actual" Constitution. Please explain to me how health care cannot be considered as part of the "general welfare" clause.
While I know that you love all of your "unconstitutional" arguments and have all become very vocal about your beliefs that this terrible health care law but you have two very major problems with your complaints.
1st, The Supreme Court has already found the law to be within the bounds of the law with the minor exception about coercing the states over accepting the Medicaid. Whatever "beliefs" that you have about the constitution I am fairly sure that Supreme Court decisions trump your "belief".
2nd, A very brief reading of the actual clause in the constitution clearly gives the Federal Government the right to lay and collect taxes for the general welfare of the United States. If you can find a way to show me how healthcare does not qualify as the "general welfare" of the United States, I am willing to listen but it seems pretty clear to me.
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States"
Regardless of your belief system about the ACA, I think it is time to put aside your arguments about the constitution. The Supreme Court has spoken.
Call me Jim, I have products available that can boost the cell overage in residential or commercial properties.
There is a new party in it's infancy called "The Coffee Party". Their pledge reads like this::
"As a member or supporter of the Coffee Party, I pledge to conduct myself in a way that is civil, honest, and respectful toward people with whom I disagree. I value people from different cultures, I value people with different ideas, and I value and cherish the democratic process."
John, I agree that securing the southern border is a "good idea". What I do not agree with are any of the proposed solutions. Anyone that thinks a 3000 mile fence thru the desert is secure has been eating too many peyote buttons.
Just look at how many ways they subvert border security around San Diego and Brownsville. Catapults, tunnels, fence cutters, actual underground trains and these are in areas we can monitor. Just think how those enterprising criminals would subvert a fence over 200 miles from anywhere. Me thinks we need a better solution than a fence.
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