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When you refuse to listen to the viewpoints of those that disagree with you, two things happen.
I agree with you about the registration database and cannot support that. I also agree that much of the proposed and signed legislation is feel-good and will be largely ineffective.
Having said that, do you think that one can be a gun owner and supporter but still be in favor of universal background checks and/or some limitation on capability or firepower?
It seems to me that there could be some common ground here that makes an attempt to try and create a higher level certification to own and use higher capacity weapons. Would that resolve anything in your opinion?
Given the vitriol seen on these blogs, one would think that Routt County citizens were among the most staunch opponents of the Federal Govt' that there have ever been. It astounds me how many of the people I know have read these blogs and approached me in a quiet way to support common sense gun regulation. Many of your neighbors here actually agree that we need to try and do something, they are just not all willing to put their name out there and argue with you.
Most of these mass shootings comes to an end when the shooter is either forced to change weapons or reload. When that happens some heroic joe citizen reacts and puts the guy down not with his concealed weapon but an old-fashioned body slam tackle. It would seem to me that trying to limit the number of rounds the next wacko has in the magazine is not such a bad thing and might help to limit the damage. Can you imagine the chaos in that darkened Aurora theater if there had been 15 armed individuals that each decided to "take out the shooter"?
The opponents of regulation do themselves no favors when they refer to rebelling against the tyrannical government or calls for armed insurrection and outright civil war. How will you react when that Gov't is personified in your friends and neighbors employed at the Sheriff's office? Do you really think that the Gov't takeover will begin with soldiers or might they start with Sheriff Wiggins to try and talk you out of that bunker.
Given that the Supreme court upheld the previous assault weapons ban that expired in 2004, what makes so certain that the current Colorado version is unconstitutional?
So if the new laws require that all magazines manufactured from this day forward have identifying marks, problem solved right?
I just don' get these people that think an armed insurrection would be better for our country than working together to solve difficult problems. Do you really think that civil war is the right course?
Don't believe that I have expressed a solid opinion anywhere to be automatically labeled a "hand wringing liberal" I have asked some pointed questions and have discussed some of my thinking about ancillary issues but not much more. Quote me and prove me wrong......
My question remains unanswered. What is it about serving in military or Law enforcement that makes your opinion more valuable than those individuals that have chosen other careers?
Brian, I check my clips and found them to be the same as you describe. No stamps, dates or identifying marks and each could be modified to accept more rounds. Does the new law call for all new clips to be marked and identified? That would at least give a starting point to measure from. If not, why bother? The statement that "I bought it years ago" would be sufficient to make every single clip and weapon in Colorado legal with no proof to the contrary.
Our current laws already ban the possession of fully automatic weapons without permits, no surface to air missiles, no bombs, no RPG's etc. Even the most conservative members of the court support these restrictions but have rejected outright bans on other common classes of weaponry like pistols. All of these laws have been tested and found to be Constitutional including the expired Assault Weapons ban from 1994.
General question for all. Do you support existing regulations or are all of them Un-Consitutional in your opinion.
Jerry, what is the basis for your question on these articles? Why does it matter whether an individual has served in that capacity when it comes to discussing these issues? Are the opinions of those individuals somehow less important? Please clarify.
While I may or may not approve of the stance Sheriff Wiggins has taken, he certainly has not violated any oath IMHO. Elected Officials are political creatures and you can expect them to act and speak as such. Before accusing anyone of violating any oaths, perhaps we should hold off passing judgement until we can measure actual actions and policies instead of rhetoric. Discussion is a good thing, we should all practice listening more. Just because an individual advocates a belief different than your own does not make them radical or in violation of their oath of office.
Joe, will you accept these laws if they are found to be Consitutional by the Supreme Court? Do you accept existing firearm regulations, or are you advocating armed insurrection against our democratically elected Gov't.
No bait Tom, just curious. I think that you would find our views are closer together than the comments on this forum would seem to suggest. IMHO the worst problem our country faces is the refusal to listen and thoughtfully consider the opinions of others.
Brian, yes it is egregious when any elected official at any level chooses politics over enforcing the law. Not so sure this has happened with Sheriff Wiggins. That decision would be above my pay grade :)
When I went to High School, we frequently took shotguns or rifles (depending on season) to school in the gun rack of the pickup truck. We were not alone, the parking lot was full of vehicles that contained firearms. Never in my memory did anyone ever complain about or use those firearms in a threatening manner. In Elementary School Cowboys and Indians or Cops and Robbers were an every day occurance. Fingers were pointed and bang bang your dead happened at every recess.
What has happened to our society that gun violence has become so common? That would be a more telling conversation than gun control. Guns are and have always been part of America. Their existence and possession should not be causing the violence. A much larger problem exists that we have failed to identify.
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