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I think this is an excellent example of the city council doing a good job.
They made some cuts using their best judgement. People responded after real life played out. The council acknowledged the issue and made changes quickly.
I'm sure there are plenty that see negative in how the whole thing played out, but I think they did great.
I'm one of these older adults that will be moving to SB. I will stay as long as I can do the activities I want to do. I don't envision dying in SB, it will be a phase of my life Once I can't do the activities that the area offers then I will move to an "easier" location to live. The other thing to consider is that we plan on having our house full of visitors (friends and family" for probably half the time. I would think that the economic impact of people like myself would be significant for the area because of the effect of bringing 30 people a year on vacation.
Sorry you interpreted my post as disingenuous. I'm glad you agreed with the content. I certainly don't, but I wanted to cite data that you felt was more believable to you. I'll connect the dots a little more. Sorry I wasn't clear. In my opinion, the pro gun crowd hangs onto the 2nd amendment as if it is a real threat that "the British are coming" or "Obama is coming". That argument doesn't hold water at all and has been discussed to death on this forum. The other issue is that a law abiding citizen has the right to defend themselves. What this data shows is that 80% of the people that are killed know their killer. According to the author these 80% are low lifes and not law abiding citizens. So, what do the law abiding people need guns in their house for? I believe that people especially women are much more likely to be killed by a family member (man) than they ever would be an intruder.
Thanks for the clarification Jerry.
I agree with you. It is a sad day in any case. I think guns make it easier, "cleaner" to kill a person, than choking them, holding them under water, stabbing them (horrible to put these things in print). Would 1% less people die if the killer had to do more "dirty work", 10% , 90% less? I don't know. I think it would be less though. She bought the gun the day before. Obviously, she was in a bad state. I wish she could have had someone to help her get through the next couple dark days until the clouds lifted for awhile. As I said, just sad.
Sorry I didn't state my facts. I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that the majority of people that have been killed know their killer. I have just been reading the paper a long time. Attached is an article which states that 80% of victims of homicides know their attacker. It doesn't mean they were family members (a lot were), and doesn't mean they liked each other. This is a pro-gun ownership article. They basically say that the victims deserve to get shot because they are not model citizens and typically had drug/alcohol problems and a previous record.
I don't really want to debate this on this forum. I'm an open minded guy. I'm a gun owner. All I know is there is a problem and if people are going to be so rigid in their beliefs and hold onto some archaic belief about what a bunch of guys in wigs thought 200+ years ago then we deserve the fate of the dinosaurs.
It is a sad day when a Mom goes out to buy a gun to kill her son. Just sad. I wish it was an isolated case. My biggest concern about guns is that the majority of homicides are people killing family members and people they know. Even in sleepy little Steamboat.
I got hit by someone trying to "teach me a lesson". My friends got hit by a different person that passed them and then came back for them a second time. The guy sent me to intensive care for weeks and one of my friends died in the other instance. Road rage takes different forms for people.
Just a thought. I love to bike and one of the things I will miss when I move to Steamboat is the ability to bike all year round. Yes, I put on studded tires and bike along the Core Trail when I'm in town, but the routes are certainly limited. With the progression of snow biking with the fat tires, I see an opportunity to create snow trails for bikers in the winter and make it a 12 month a year sport (except the mud months). Like cross country skiing, snow bikes would require trails. For the few that are doing it on Emerald right now, you can see them walking up with snow shoes to pack the snow and try to make a trail. I could see how a snowmobile could be used to make trails for snow bikes in the winter. There are certainly a lot of people that are coming to town in the winter that could be exposed to biking in Steamboat in the winter. It could get them to think about coming back to Steamboat in the summer. Personally, as much as I like to bike, for Steamboat to be a serious bike town it needs to have year round bike options.
I thought it was an excellent, well thought out, factually supported, unemotional piece.
In my opinion it was one of the best I have seen.
I own guns. I am not anti-gun. On the other hand I am pro-people. Facts like the ones you present and discussions like the kind you can stimulate with these facts are what generates discussions with lawmakers that make amendments.
I applaud your efforts and a few of the rational comments that have been made.
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