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I think RCR knows its role just fine. The day RCR takes the extremist interpretation (likely you included) of the two abreast portion of the law that "other cyclists in town" is the day I walk away from the club. Send a memo to paper with your lawyers interpretation of the current cycling laws in the form of a letter to the editor if you think RCR's advocacy approach is the wrong one. Advocacy is about working with other user groups not giving them the finger.
Pat you are right that I should not have said "3 feet". I should have said a "safe distance". I interpreted the safe distance to be 3 feet when a cyclist is involved in a passing situation with a motor vehicle. It sounds like you don't think the minimum 3 feet is needed to be a safe distance when it is the cyclist passing a vehicle. But, it does sound like you appreciate the required 3 feet when it is a vehicle passing a cyclist. Seems a little hypocritical to me. I absolutely agree that cyclist are there own worst enemy, but I think it comes down those who break the law and those who interpret the law to the extreme.
The cyclist I was refering to getting a ticket was not in Brooklyn. It was crossing Pine Grove Rd.
Sorry for the assumption on my part.
I could not ID that guy as he went by so fast and I only saw that he was wearing a mostly black with some red and some white cycling kit. I have a guess, but that is not good enough for me to call in to the police. I would have had to break the law to follow him and get a better ID, so I chose not to.
RCR has representation at all the Multi-modal meetings and is aware you voiced concerns to those making this signage happen. I guess I am just surprised to still hear negative comments coming from you regarding the signage as it sounded like concerns were addressed as best they could be. Multi-modal, RCR, BTUSA, Routt County and likely a few others (you included) have helped with the creation of the signage but really when it comes down to it, it takes a couple motivated individuals to get anything done. An RCR board member and an extremely generous supporter have put a ton of time into the signage all because a small but very visible percentage of cyclists that are clearly uneducated or just feel they can disregard the laws. It sounds like you are a passonate and frequent road user and your help in this education process with other cyclists you see would be appreciated as it will benefit all responsible cyclists.
A slow day turns into a wasted day.... Not sure why I ever try to correct the inaccurate statements and rants that plague these comments.
Sometimes you make a lot of sense Scott, but sometimes you don't read before responding. I never said I was there to witness it. I actually specifically said "I was not there personally"
Have a good weekend. Enjoy the screen time. Weather is finally nice and I am going to enjoy it.
More enforcement is probably the answer. I was on my motorcycle slowing to a stop at the rodeo grounds less that a month ago and had a road cyclist blow by me at what I would guess was almost 20 mph. Not only did he blow through the stop sign, but he definately didn't give me my 3 feet to pass. Sounds like the city has an untapped source of money that no one can really complain about to start on funding the new police station just on stop sign violations.
The Bike Town USA Initiative & Routt County Riders (RCR) are not the same group. Sometimes things align and overlap and sometimes they do not. There should be much better clarity on which group is doing what.
In respect to the signage:
The emails and photos Routt County Riders is receiving clearly show cyclists not obeying the laws. I would be happy to discuss this more if you want to contact me through RCR at firstname.lastname@example.org. If you do not like the way RCR is trying to educate cyclists, please share some of your ideas and try to be a part of the solution.
I was not there personally but my comment was accurate either way although I am pretty confident your assumption of "flying through a stop sign" is inaccurate at least in this case.
I know the individual personally and it is a shame the ticket went to him. He is relatively new to cycling and is just getting into commuting to work. The stop sign in question was 100% covered by a tree and not even visible. He took a photo to prove it.
I know the "flying through a stop sign" problem is out there too. I was passed at about 20 mph by a cyclist about a month ago while I was stopping on my motorcycle at the 5th street bridge intersection. There were cars with no stop sign coming off the bridge. This elitist road cyclist in a full kit is a big part of the local problem.
They are writing tickets to cyclists for not coming to a complete stop at stop signs. RCR was shown one of those tickets about a month ago and it was for $111.
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