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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — More than 200 Utah teachers are expected to pack a convention hall on Thursday for six hours of concealed-weapons training as organizers seek to arm more educators in the aftermath of the Connecticut school shooting.
The Utah Shooting Sports Council said it normally gathers a dozen teachers every year for instruction that's required to legally carry a concealed weapon in public places. The state's leading gun lobby decided to offer teachers the training at no charge to encourage turnout, and it worked.
Organizers who initially capped attendance at 200 were exceeding that number by Wednesday and scrambling to accommodate an overflow crowd.
Sparklers should be banned.
The worst of the school shootings (VA Tech) was carried out with a pair of pistols - a 9 millimeter and a .22, which did not enable the shooter to kill x number of people in x number of seconds. They did allow him to kill 30 people in 9 minutes, and two more a couple hours later. He brought 17 magazines to the party, and no one stopped him between reloads. Ban semi-auto long guns all you like. It won't change a thing.
Sound & fury signifying nothing. Absent a repeal of the 12th amendment enabling the implementation of something akin to the parliamentary systems used elsewhere, a 3rd party is the kiss of death.
Ad hominem much? Merry Christmas, seeugard.
Fire extinguishers kill people? Wow. Learn something new every day.
My logic is spot on. Your ludicrous allegation that gun owners are paranoid bloodthirsty murderers in waiting is beyond childish. You've leapt headlong into the fevered swamps once occupied by seeuski & thalgard, and it's a challenge to take you seriously anymore.
I own fire extinguishers. I must love putting out fires. I probably even start them just so I can pull the pins on my beloved red canisters. I own a couple of cars. Motor vehicles kill 3x as many Americans annually than firearms; you can be sure I look forward to killing people whenever I get behind the wheel. Because those who disagree with you must always conform to the most infantile caricatures you can invent.
3rd-party candidacies are nothing more than exercises in vanity. If we used an electoral system similar to Israel or Japan, voting on the fringe might not be be a wasted effort. But we don't, so it is.
When I was in my 20s, I owned a 1965 Plymouth Barracuda, which I towed to a friend's building for storage. The building was somewhat off the beaten path in a semi-wooded area. As I pulled in, there were a couple guys about my age sharing a crack pipe. I rolled down the window & said "Hate to tell you guys, but this is private property." One of them cursed, picked up a piece of rebar and advanced. I let him see my pistol at him and told him to simmer down. Both men split.
Both incidents were reported to the police, but not recorded as defensive use statistics because no shots were fired in either case. The CDC has recently begun factoring those sorts of episodes into their data, and the estimates range from 800k to 2.5 million defensive uses annually.
America contains more guns than people. Over 300 million in civilian hands alone. The toothpaste is out of the tube and we're not going to put it back. It's a culture that's been centuries in the making, and it won't be appreciably changed.
Criminalizing weapons that frighten the anti-gun crowd will have zero impact on criminals and the deranged. There are more than 20,000 gun laws on the books already. At least one of them prevented the Connecticut shooter from purchasing a rifle a week before his meltdown. If his mother didn't have weapons him to steal, he would have acquired them elsewhere. Reports indicate he was sufficiently bright, resourceful, & determined.
The ignorance of existing gun legislation can be breathtaking. Rhys opines that fully-automatic small arms should be illegal. Um, they have been since the National Firearms Act was passed in 1934. It imposed a stiff tax and erected a labyrinth of legal hoops to jump through, and required the weapon to be registered. That registry was closed during the Reagan administration. Since 1986 there is no fully-automatic weapon a civilian can legally possess. And yet, full auto weapons continue to be used to commit crimes. Serious bad guys either make their own (not hard to do) or smuggle them across our porous borders along with their usual payloads of narcotic contraband. I have no doubt criminal scumbags are grateful we've kept those weapons away from the law-abiding.
If all you know about defensive handgunning comes from Hollywood, then the proposal to limit magazine capacities to 5 rounds is eminently sensible. In the real world, one-shot stops – particularly from handguns – are exceedingly rare. The most recent assault weapons ban limited mag capacity to 10 rounds. I invite you to take a ballistic wound class. Go over case after case after case of the rage-filled, drug-fueled, or bada$$ ex-convicts who've absorbed 4, 6, 9, 15 rounds and still walked under their own power to the ambulance. In self defense extremis, more rounds is the optimal choice.
Finally, the vast majority of self defensive handgun deployments are never recorded or tracked. Here are two examples:
While I was an infant, my parents took a day trip to the mountains.
We stopped at one of their favorite spots. At some point during our stay, a couple of bikers rolled in. Dad could tell they were trouble, so he packed wife & kid into the car. During the load up, one of the bikers shouted at Dad to hand over “summa that gook %#$$y” (Mom was Asian). Loudmouth wheeled his hog behind the car, blocking our exit. He dismounted, walked to the the driver's window & leaned in to find himself looking down the barrel of dad’s .357. Loudmouth backed away slowly, and returned to his bike. He and his compadre saddled up and rode off.
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