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That's gonna be on helluva hangover.
An excellent point; likely to be lost upon crusaders among us. I too have not watched the movie. Chances are I will, once it's available online. In the meantime, I've downloaded the Kindle edition of the book and plan to read it during my flight to Hawaii in the fall.
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Liz: Reading comprehension is evidently a bit of a challenge for you, so let's see if we can't dumb it down and make it more understandable. Tim Keenan has excoriated - more than once - other parties to this discussion for asserting that "the US has always been the good guy no matter what it has done." Problem is, Tim has invented that position out of whole cloth and ascribed to people who have never expressed it. He's lied about us, in other words. That you have absolutely no problem with that kind of malfeasance says more about you than you realize.
You think calling Tim childish was nasty? Well, get a load of this: he's a liar as well.
And then there's this, from you: "And I find it highly unlikely that the writer of this letter went to a movie like America with no idea what to expect." In other words, Ms. Makens' is a liar and her letter is not to be believed. Goodness - a "...nasty personal attack on people you don't know in an online forum." Hypocrite much?
Liz Cecil and Tim Keenan - sanctimony, wrapped in arrogance, surrounded by hypocrisy.
Incidentally, I went to Avatar "not knowing what to expect." I have no idea what that says about me, nor what Liz Cecil believes it says about Ms. Makens. Perhaps it's something only the sanctimonious liberal can understand.
I took my nephew to see Avatar, once upon a time. Thought it was the stupidest movie I'd ever seen, and said so to my friends and associates whenever the subject came up. Shared that opinion in an online forum too, as I recall. I would never have considered weighing in without having seen the film. That, to me, would have been childish. That you find that perspective to be "nasty" and "scary (lol)" only confirms your childishness. Thanks for making my point.
I'm not sure how to suggest you deal with your fear of me and Hartless. Call someone and have a good cry, perhaps. I'll be biking Mad Creek at dawn. Be sure to stay away. We wouldn't want you to risk an encounter with someone so nasty and scary.
Keep trotting out your asinine canard, Tim. You're good at it. I know I'm spitting into wind here, but I'll do it anyway and wipe myself off afterwards: who is asserting that "the US has always been the good guy no matter what it has done"? The answer is no one. But you keep setting up that pathetic straw man because you evidently believe knocking it down shows that you're perceptive or heroic something.
In reality,you're neither. Childish would be a more accurate label. The US ended slavery. 'Bbbut segregation! Jim Crow!' wails Tim. The US led the west to victory in the Cold War. 'Bbbut racism! Imperialism! Iran/Contra!' comes the rant.
No nation on earth can claim to be without behavior in its past that it regrets in the present. If past transgression is the calculus for a present day evaluation, then every human being on earth is a miscreant.
Glad to see my post elicited a 'wow' from you. Your reply, not so much. Particularly your non-response to my final graph. I can't say as I blame you - acknowledging one's own demagoguery & hypocrisy is rarely a self esteem builder. So much easier to double down, and copy & paste all the childish straw men the internet can provide. One doesn't even have to be original.
Incidentally, did you know my tea party leanings make me a racist? I've seen it online so it must be true. Oh, and I'm a terrorist too. So saith the Plagiarist In Chief.
The American left is so... thoughtful.
Speaking of Jabba the Moore, it turns out the left's favorite anti-capitalist poseur is actually a card-carrying member of the one percent. Poor sod has to scrape by on his $50 million net worth (and that's only what he's reported to his wife's divorce attorney). In his defense, however, he is burdened with the unimaginable stress of deciding which of his 9 homes to forklift himself into.
Tim Keenan: I'm confident you can document the various points in the film where America's perfection is advanced, and how D'Souza asserts that "America can do and has done no wrong." Only someone who's seen the film could stake a claim like that, lest they rightly be ridiculed for their childish spew.
Liz Cecil: An interesting (if juvenile) game - I think I'll play along:
“A well written, presented and persuasive critique of the American journey; complete with our warts and blemishes.”
“It’s a powerful, controversial film which will keep your interest, provoke disputes, and fuel relevant debate. How many other films can make that claim?”
“It is provocative, shocking, educational and prophetic.”
“Comprehensively researched and ingeniously presented. As the film begins, the audience is tempted to believe they're watching a Michael Moore film. D'Souza pummels the viewer with a passionate barrage of scathing indictments of the American founding, its history, and transgressions.”
“Bill Ayers, Ward Churchill, Noam Chomsky, Saul Alinsky, Michel Foucault, Howard Zinn. Just a few of the progressive left luminaries deployed as pivot points into a thought-provoking and insightful discourse.”
Perhaps you can explain, Liz, why certain reviews are more relevant than others. And whether or not you're so lazy and childish so as to adopt the opinions of strangers instead of arriving at your own conclusions after having seen the film.
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