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This may be the most ridiculous over reaction by the police since Billy Kidd was arrested a few years ago. They need some history lessons.
This will be like waiting for Congress to act. Ski Corp. is waiting for more skiers to come before they spend money to get the mountian up to the standards other resorts have set. And the skiers will be waiting for the improvements to happen before they come back. Regarding their having to wait for a couple of years to get Forest Service approval on the projects. 2 if not 3 years ago they already had approval to replace or expand 4 Points Hut. They announced it and were selling T shirts to comemorate the old one. They are as good as Congress at BS and stalling.
"How can grooming be perfect when you get new snow almost hourly like we did last season?"
Grooming slopes is not my profession. You would have to ask the other ski area's how they manage it.
"If you don't like the services offered by Ski corp, its your choice not to purchase a ticket."
And there are many skiers who are taking their lift ticket $$ elsewhere and are doing just that.
I am just stating facts, don't shoot the messenger. I have been a season pass holder for 12 years. I like Steamboat's uncrowded hills. Ski Corps management is going to keep them that way.
SG30 is correct. Compared to any other major ski mountian in the west, the quality of grooming at Steamboat is at the bottom. I know, I have been there. My ski buddies agree and it is not uncommon to hear "but the grooming report says it was groomed" from the tourists. If it is snowing hard or foggy, there are many skiers who want to ski groomed runs. To all of us who have skied many years a groomed run on a poor visibility day that has curbs, trench's, moguls, unmarked boulders or streams is not a big deal. But for the once a year skier, the ones who spent many $$$ here, it can be downright scarry. At any other resort, if the report says it was groomed, you can ski it blindfolded and not worry. Just another way Steamboat is not keeping up. People do compare what their $100 lift ticket buys.
I am not a local, but I do love Steamboat. The mountain, the town and the people. The snow is the best. We have a condo and I have had a season pass for 10 or 11 years and I get to ski enough to make it pay. Here is my take on the declining numbers of folks flying in to ski.
We all know that flying since 911 sucks. The prices keep going up and the service goes down. The airlines strand you, charge for luggage that they then damage and lose for a couple days. This happens on flights to everywhere. The lift ticket prices in the Boat are too high, but they are in most major ski areas. I have listened to my friends who come to ski with us as well as comments from other skiers in conversations on lifts and when warming up.
So, why are folks (in my opinion) deciding to not fly into and ski Steamboat as much as other areas?
It’s about the mountain, the skiing, it’s about value. They have compared what they get for their vacation dollars and lift ticket expenses between Steamboat and other major ski areas and Steamboat, the ski mountain, falls way short. The mountain, and its infrastructure are so outdated – compared to other mountains charging the same for lift tickets it is not even a fair contest.
I am saying this in my experience in skiing nearly all the major areas in Colorado and Utah.
Steamboat’s lifts, on mountain chalets, and grooming are more like a small mid-west area that charges $45.00 for a lift ticket. The food is marginal. When skiing the Storm Peak side, the 4 Points Hut is overcrowded whenever it is too nasty to sit outside. Want to sit down and rest the legs for a while, fat chance, it’s standing room only. I have yet to see a rusted (from urine splash) partition wall next to a urinal such as in the Hut in another ski area. Reminds me of a run down gas station in the middle of nowhere. It does get a coat of paint every few years. I remember a few years ago, just before Christmas, we took a break at Rendezvous. Looking out the window we noticed hundreds of dead flies on the window sills below. They hadn’t been cleaned from the summer, even though the place had been open a few weeks. Disgusting. There is a fine line between rustic and run down, and there are such places on the mountain that have crossed it.
Ran out of room! To be continued:
The grooming is ridiculous. I have yet to ski such poorly groomed slopes on another major mountain. This isn’t a big deal to me, and I am sure it has made me a better skier over the years, but it is huge to those who only ski once or twice a year. They want to have fun, and don’t want to fear for their lives or limbs. On the many foggy and flat light days in the past couple years The “grooming” is ridiculous. Again, it would be OK for a Mom & Pop resort but I these folks want the reassurance that if they are on a groomed run it isn’t going to have a grooming curb, a trench from the previous day or an unmarked stream that they can’t see. I have heard countless times skiers saying to their group “I know the grooming map said this was groomed, what happened??” Those who are not experts always head over to Wally World. But after a few hours the top is quite a mogul field. It instills fear into those who already are not confident. They are there to have fun! And this is the best place on the mountain for green skiers. Bashor was great, but it had to be turned into an area that is most of the time devoid of riders.
Several years ago I was in line for the Gondola. Two men were talking, one says to the other, “why would I want to spend my money coming back to this dump when we can be at a nice ski area”.
Last Feb. I was in a car and an older man announced that he was in the marketing or skier services dept. for Ski Corp and did anyone have any questions about the mountain. Someone asked him where they could get discount lift tickets like they could in the Front Range. He smugly said Steamboat was a destination resort and it didn’t have to discount tickets as there was no nearby competition. I replied that there was indeed competition, but the skiers made the decision before they arrived, by perhaps going somewhere else. Lift ticket prices are part of the package skiers look at when planning a vacation. He didn’t reply.
As I see it, the management of Steamboat, and they have been there a long time, is living in the past when Steamboat was up and coming, building and adding to the mountain. But now, most other resorts have passed Steamboat by in what skiers expect with their $100 lift ticket.
A ski vacation is a huge amount of money for anyone. But no amount of discounting flights or room nights or a quaint town will make up for what they come for – a great time skiing on a major mountain. And the dollars spent have to be comparable. More now than ever, skiers will be aware and looking for value. The mountain and the town have to work together, but the mountain is the initial draw, and they have to lead in giving the guests what they have learned and been told to expect.
I surly don’t want Steamboat to become an Aspen or Beaver Creek, but I would like to see the service become as great as the Champaign Powder and hear the visitors praising the resort more often.
The single ticket price gets a lot of media attention at Steamboat because it is the same price as the multi-day ticket! The only advantage to a multi-day in Steamboat is not having to stand in line every day. However, given the confusion and lack of service evident in the ticket office when my friends were buying tickets last week, this would be priceless.
The City Council should be taken to task for allowing this to remain in the state it is for so long. A closed business is one thing, allowing it to look like a dump is another. And on the Main Street of all places, in a town that relies on tourists to function. All it would take is a warning to the owner, a deadline for cleaning it up, if they don't, the city does it and charges the owner. That's the way it works in a city that is concerned with it's image. Is the goal to attract visitors or repel them?
The dog is waging the tail here. And an oil company of all thngs. They are not exactly suffering like so many business. All to common in the Boat, it seems.
Hello Jeep, I do not live in the Boat, but I ski there often. I realize the last season was extended, but if they make it official now we can all make plans to be there that extra week. I know some locals who last year made plans to leave town at the end of the season, and they too missed the last week. And if Ski Corp got their act together and published an extended season now the restraunts, shops, lodging ect. could also bennifit and plan for it. It would be a win-win for everyone.
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