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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Rhys, you seem very cultured! Oh wait, you don't because your argument is facetious and it is (sorry for the spoiler everyone) about drug use, medicinal or not.
Bill, I think those two dogs harassing elk may have been drunk too!
I think Mark is the closest here for being reasonable even though growing a child's happiness, well being and social skills through organized sports would be forbidden in his utopia. Scott would rather his children become engineers by force instead of allowing them to learn a multitude of proper life skills. Sorry, I couldn't disagree with you more. Engineering isn't the saving grace of our world there Scott. It's meant for some, sure, but when your children enter the workforce as engineers and the foreigners are equally as educated (yet speak more than one language), guess who's getting the job. And as far as my caterwauling goes, it's not about Sheeple being monolingual...it's about them being, well, Sheeple! Brian, your grandmother may have been wise, but things can be helped if you put a decent mind to it.
Sigh. Only 7.6% of the parents bothered to reply. Even more sad than I originally thought. Rightfully so should the survey go out at parent/teacher night! Thank you Steamboat for taking a progressive step forward.
What this comes down to is Sheeple America. The drone parents who follow the herd, repeating the history of their elders, only to pass on the colicky murmur of pointless existence onto their children. Mostly. I see the points here: a mediocre education system, falling behind countries like Singapore, 5+ years of college (yet I managed a double major in 4, one of those being Spanish), the necessity of math and sciences, etc. What I cannot understand is the blatant ignorance of other human civilizations that has been vomited on this discussion... "But more languages is mostly a waste of effort." Scott, why do you have such low expectations for the youth of America?
If teachers were paid more, we'd have more qualified and appropriate educators who would be able to ensure success for the kids. Or the argument could be that the parents are to blame for their children's failures. I know my opinion.
You're all right. Let's take a step back from specificity here. I thought perhaps we could entertain the thought of having our children be more than just English speaking drones, requiring others to oblige our language when we travel abroad. Rather, the problem here (as addressed by you all) seems to be our education system. I couldn't agree more with the points you are making; yes math and sciences are lacking in the schools, but so are languages. I'm sorry I hold a different worldly opinion on intercultural exchanges. And Brian, you missed my point about the Portuguese as a third language. The point was the third language could be any language, once our children have grown capable of conversing in Español, a language now used widely across our country.
Ken, you are right about letting economics dictate which languages we learn in schools. According to the Census Bureau, here in the United States, the Hispanic population has grown by 43% which accounts to nearly 1 out of 6 Americans. This isn't to say they all speak Spanish, but I'd take a guess and say a good majority do. Hey, I encounter the language multiple times in a day, every day. Whose to say this isn't an economic situation when 1/6 of the population may be using another language. Since, as Brian suggested, the Hispanics in our ESL classes are dropouts, then perhaps allowing them thrive in a country where English speakers are able to interact with these kids in Spanish would give them a boost of confidence to want to learn our language.
Online language classes are useful, but if you don't have a live person facilitating proper conversation in that language, how could they be useful. I'm studying German via DuoLingo (a great and useful language learning site, oh and it's free) while being able to communicate with native speakers and others who have learned before me. If I didn't have the ability to seek advice and correction from these people, my German would become stagnate as I walk around the house narrating my life (Ich esse einen Apfel...)
No more than 19% of the survey population could bother responding to a severely critical issue that must be mandated by our U.S. government. Wow. Steamboat/America, let's pay attention to our youth and their future by actually comprising a few minutes in the ebb of compulsory workplace drudgery by concerning ourselves with polls conducted by our school districts (yes, the governing bodies which educate our youth). In comparison to Europe, where 20+ countries have a 90%+ rate of early-age pupils learning a second language, the U.S. has barely caught the train of bilingualism, let alone multilingualism; we have miles to go yet. Get to it then! The next generations must begin to be bilingual so as to escape the debilitating ethnocentric mentalities that inhibit progress and to ensure their spot in our ever-competiting global economy. I want Spanish to be a mandatory course from Kindergarten through High School with the options of a third language as an elective. Let the Sheeple decide if they are to develop their children's intellects by allowing them to pursue German, French, Mandarin, Portuguese, etc. as elective credits, but they must be taught a second language. So long as our children are bilingual, the United States is taking a step in the right direction. If we cannot progress as so, I foresee many of our college graduates failing to compete in the international community which will leave many average Americans left behind.
"We don't need someone being our watchdog for every single issue."
I fully disagree with you Mark. Who's watching the watchers? Thanks Scott.
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