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Interesting comments Michelle, especially in regards to Yampa Street. If you've spent time down here (and our office is on Yampa, so we bike this lane and street daily), you would know that the bike lane actually shares space with parked cars in some spots and WE are forced to move left to avoid them (and a lot of doors that fly open unexpectedly). There are also pedestrians in the lane now as well as a few Segways recently, so the street as a whole is one big melting pot of usage. I am sorry that YOU feel that WE are so inconsiderate - a topic that has been debated here ad nauseum and will go the way of so many that will never be agreed upon - but to use this picture of an example of OUR "disregard" for the rules of the road is off base and misinformed.
As someone who grew up in the South and the land of sculpted lawns, I think we need to take a hard look at them here in the west and ask ourselves if they are worth the resources needed to maintain them. I know that families are supported by their maintenance and they do play a role in our economy, but we can't ignore how much water is being used here. This is a resources that needs to be reallocated to every day living vs. the patches of green in front of our houses. One mans humble opinion...
As someone who hits 75K a year and bases his entire company around travel, it has been a real challenge both in cost and in availability to use HDN. We did use it at first, but it just became too cost prohibitive, and we did find alot of late flights (remind me to travel with you too Brian!). The drive to DIA is not one that we enjoy either (although my wife enjoys the fact that I can swing by target and IKEA) and the spotty cell service makes it even harder. If we are truly to become a preferred destination for anyone to run a business or act as a remote employee, we have to figure this out. I watch my travel numbers just balloon every year and it's a puzzle I am always trying to solve.
I would love to see a great co-working space open here in town where everyone can pop in for a desk as needed, offer permanent space to 1-3 person companies and be a spot for out-of-town folks to pop in when they need a quiet spot. Maybe a great shared conference space and kitchen area too offer some collaboration as well. There is such a wealth of intelligence and creativity in this town and would be nice to have a spot where all could collaborate - much like this place that we have been visiting a lot recently for 3 separate companies:
Tom - you've basically taken a civilized argument and just turned it into a frenzied call to hunt down cyclists. It continues to amaze me that, while Robin agrees with you on a few points and is working towards essentially the same goal, you continue to act like you have been wronged on a colossal scale and are now seeking some type of frontier justice. The more you write, the more it seems as if law enforcement needs to monitor you and not the few cyclists that you continue to reference.
You obviously have people that agree with you, so until you show up at a meeting, draft some legislation to your points above, solicit your local and state representatives, or ask for a special session at the Bike Summit to discuss this topic and come up with a solution (all actions that our local groups take), you are just another guy who tries to get his point across with all caps, lots of quotes and a frenzied tone. I'm just going to drop off this thread and let you rile up folks on your own.
@John - yes, they should all be single file at all times, especially on group rides and winding roads. RCR can help enforce that rule, and you should call this in if this continues to be a problem (it is a danger to both cyclists and cars).
Tom - really interesting that you had to bring that up in an article that clearly had nothing to do with cycling. Would love to see you putting your energy towards actually making a change vs. just writing about it all over these boards. Robin and RCR recognize the need for change and are spending their free time doing something about it. All I see from you is rhetoric and a general unwillingness to accept any counter arguments.
I suggest you actually meet with the RCR folks and start some dialogue about the issues that concern you vs. continuing to post items. You won't be taking seriously until you do - my opinion.
Tom - looks like we will agree to disagree on this one! And for the record - if I come across x tons of cows trying to go past me, you can be sure that I will be taking a nice break while they pass. Just seems like the smart thing to do :)
Tom - it's not a matter of fair or not. It's a matter of a realistic expectation, and while one can argue that it may or may not solve some perceived issues, it just won't happen and we should focus on attainable solutions.
Not even bringing in the issue of more government regulation (which I am sure can offer up its own thread), there are too many variables. Do I need to license all of my children and their strider bikes? How will you pay overworked law enforcement officers to now monitor and ticket cyclists? Is someone going to police the millions of off-road trails for rule breakers? If cyclists, then we can argue for rollerblades and skateboards? Ocean kayaks sometimes get in the way of licensed motor boat drivers, so can we lump them in?
So while I welcome the suggestion and a desire to fix things, I truly believe that efforts can be better spent on attainable results like one-way trails, dedicated lanes to keep cyclists and motorists "apart," and enforcement of cyclists that do break the rules on the road. And there is no issue around "fair" as you put it, but only one of safety.
Much like with drivers and people alike, there are a good percentage of riders that obey all of the rules and are incredibly courteous while on public roads and trails. And much like them all, there is a small percentage who just don't seem to care at all - making us all look bad. I've been in many a big group ride where everyone stops at signs, gives a little to let cars get by and seems to flow with traffic and pedestrians alike - and I've had to occasional riding partner that seemed ready to fight a motorist the first chance they got. I will say - in their defense - that it typically stems from a bad encounter they've had a some point. I was coming back from a ride last week and crossing 3rd onto Fish Creek, took the stop sign and waited my turn, and a gentleman in a large truck decided that I needed to skip my turn and give me the middle finger to boot. So yea, I've had some angry days too as I am sure some drivers had towards a rude cyclist.
I have to agree with Tracy too as I've dodged downhillers as I've climbed Spring Creek (multi-use trails will always be a tough compromise, especially when little ones are involved) , and even was literally brushed up against last week while walking with my kids on the Core Trail (and to the guy that rides the Core Trail every day with your red kit, earphones on, head down, riding up on you like a bat out of hell and not saying a word until we jump out of our shoes -take it to the road please before someone or yourself gets hurt).
And this does seem to be an issue that the riding groups here recognize and take seriously. I think the notion of "registering and licensing" cyclists is reaching, and while it is an understandable reaction to the current climate, we should probably focus our efforts elsewhere as this will never truly happen.
Perhaps this is an issue that can be addressed at our big bike summit, and offer the community a chance to participate and work together with our cycling groups to come up with a viable path towards mutual understanding and respect. And if you guys think our situation here is a bad one, then I invite you to one of our group rides back in our original hometown of Atlanta - this place will seem like nirvana to you!
Really want to give a huge acknowledgment to Paige for spearheading this effort here in SB. Coming from a big east coast city, it is such an incredible feeling knowing that I can jump on my bike every morning and drop my son off at school. It is a gift to be able to even consider doing this, and my son loves going to school every day (mores than the actual school part I think). Thanks again to Paige and everyone else involved getting this program up and running, and for continuing the efforts to help us grow this healthy and fun way to get to school every day!
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