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Volunteers cannot be expected to completely give up our lives to verify what was already approved by the voters. We are tapped out and continually volunteering to address problems and obstruction going on behind the scene and in public, like this article. The constant damage control we have to do takes more of our time than you can imagine and adding expectations on us to do more to prove what we already know, to those that will never believe it anyway, seems pointless. We are likely putting more free (volunteer) work into this project then many being paid to do so. If you or someone else wants additional or more recent data to justify a multi year plan that has just begun, then they should be willing to pay for it somehow. All of this required damage control wastes our time and pulls our efforts away from what we should be doing, building trails. Seems to be a lot of stalling techniques designed to ensure the trails project fails, as it will if we build at a snails pace because we are stuck justifying what has already been approved.
A reminder to everyone: this is a "trails" project, not a mountain bike project. There are only a couple trails (of 46 projects proposed) that are specifically for mountain biking, all the rest are multi-use. Trails benefit all trail users: hikers, bikers, runners, equestrians, hunters, birders, dog walkers, etc.. So is trail use down? That is a less irrelevant question. Better start surveying at trail-heads.
Even if mountain biking activity was down nation wide for a year or two, that does not mean we should take the near-sighted view that it is a trend that will continue. Most things ebb and flow, like the stock market. Anyone who has seen graph chart understands this. This is a long term investment that should NOT be treated like a publicly traded company that seeks quarterly profits over long term results. What if the survey showed that skateboarding was up this year? Would we pull funds from trails for more skate park? Then next summers survey shows skateboarding down but pickle-ball up? Quick, halt building the skate park and make more pickle-ball courts. Then next summers survey shows.... And nothing gets built as nearsightedness prevents long term vision and goals. Mountain biking has proven itself to be an economic driver for many mountain towns. All over Europe lower elevation ski areas, that no longer receive enough snow for winter operations, have been converting to mountain bike parks. I doubt that climate change or mountain biking are just trends. To use one or two years statistics to make funding decisions completely undermines the point of long term goals and projects. Scott, please stop promoting these silly ideas that provide no valuable info for the long term vision and projects at hand. In five years you might have a valuable argument but almost none of the "motivating" trails have even been built yet so this entire argument is premature.
Yup, Agree with your first line. Surveys are so easy to intentionally bias through slight changes in wording or locations surveys are conducted. That the survey says the average summer visitor is 53 should shows how poorly it was conducted. With such a small pool surveyed and questionable locations and times conducted, this survey should be considered worthless and just another waste of money. Luckily we have trail counter data and local bike shop data that contradict the conclusions some would like to draw from this survey.
In terms of re-justifying the expenditure on trails, give us a break. That is just a total waste of time that distracts from the real work that needs to be done in order to get the results that council and the lodging community would like to see. These projects were well vetted and voted on by the community and passed in a landslide. Any changes of how the funds are spent would require going back to a public vote. Continued stalling will result in our community forever playing catch-up to actual "Bike Towns" and never quite getting there, then the skeptics will be proven right as riders will go elsewhere where trails and outdoor recreation are embraced instead of fought.
Violent criminal from another state using biased studies and made up science to oppose environmentally friendly recreation projects. Nice. With modern day trail design techniques, mountain bike trails of today are the most sustainable and environmentally friendly trails in the forest. It is bikers with an eye for sustainability and environmental protection making this happen. To fight against trails and mountain biking on environmental grounds is as misguided as it gets and shows how much of an extremist nut-bag Mike V really is. There are actual environmental fish to fry out there (ever hear of fracking).
There is no "extreme" mountain biking here nor is it planned. Extreme mountain biking is what they do in Utah at the Red Bull Rampage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1FnYtmE8Fs and a few other places, not usually in the USA. What exists (barely) and is proposed resembles what many other "Bike Towns" like Moab and Fruita have a plethora of. The trails that really bring riders haven't been built yet.
Exactly. Except that NONE of the tougher trails have been opened to the public yet. Only about 1/4 of the first technical trail was built last fall. Yet it didn't increase biker visits the previous two summers? Hmm? The Core Trail has been here a while. So I guess people just aren't showing up for the trails we don't have.
When most skis are made in China, how cool to have another ski manufacture in the Yampa valley. A success story for CMC and added justification for the moniker "Ski Town USA". Congratulations to Eric, Michael and the whole class. It will be fun watching the company grow, provide jobs to locals and create locally driven/influenced products.
Not "malignant stupidity", irrational fear and overreaction is what I am opposing and my reasoning has nothing to do with your dog. Your arrogance supersedes your intelligence or you would not make such wrong assumptions about me, my intelligence or education.
Mark, I couldn't agree with you more. While I do not want to see wildlife in densely populated areas, I think we need to accept that wildlife will travel through these areas and cross roads to be in their natural environment and occasionally something is going to go wrong. Human error and laziness has almost domesticated bears and fox in Steamboat as trash is left out and some attempt to hand feed foxes. We must admit that there is a lot of shared habitat between humans and animals. We see herds of elk on golf courses during the winter and moose on the ski runs. So far no major issues but it is only a matter of time before someone is maimed because they did not have proper fear of an animal. I enjoy seeing wildlife from afar and do my best not to disturb them, the presence of so much wildlife is only proof that I live in the mountains, not a city or urban center. Attacks by wild animals are rare but I fear the knee jerk reaction if a child is harmed. I wonder how many people/kids are bitten or attacked by domesticated dogs and cats compared to wildlife. The most dangerous animal to humans is still the human. Happy new year to all, humans and animals.
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