Will you vote for city referendums 2B and 2C, to construct and operate a $34 million rec center at Ski Town Fields?

Yes 143 votes

30.56%

No 325 votes

69.44%

468 total votes

Comments

mfishon1 7 years, 1 month ago

Before you cast that "yes" vote on this issue you need to realize that there are plenty of steamboat residents who fill the needs of our labor market and they are barely getting by financially...what you are doing is demanding that these locals increase their taxes and cost of living (since businesses will need to pass the extra tax on to us) just to support your recreation wants. If you are selfish enough to live with that decision then vote "yes", otherwise, I ask you to vote "no" and force the city to come up with a different way to pay for this thing where the USERS of the rec center will be the ones paying the bill.

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ColoradoNative 7 years, 1 month ago

There is plenty of private money laying around steamboat to put a better plan together. Why raise taxes to satisfy the minority?

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bubba 7 years, 1 month ago

A soul-less resort town like all the ones with rec centers that the proponents of this keep saying we need to be like by building a rec center?

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ziggy 7 years, 1 month ago

I wonder if people voting on this issue realize that they already face a significant increase in property tax due to the combination of a big raise in assessed value this year and the freeze in in the school mill levy. A new tax burden for a rec center will not help affordable housing or the cost of living.

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Tracy Barnett 7 years, 1 month ago

While the idea of a rec center is very appealing, especially the indoor pool, the method of financing this amenity needs rethinking. The way property taxes work in this state, the largest burden of this proposal will fall on the backs of owners of commercial property and, more accurately, the backs of their tenants. While residential property owners are taxed at about 8%, commercial property is taxed at about 29%. This burden can be tremendous for every small business owner in the valley, making it that much more difficult for them to stay in business. If we want our community to be filled only with large corporate entities, that is what we will eventually have since their pockets are often much deeper than those of our fellow citizens. If the rec center proposal fails, it doesn't mean we don't want one. We just have to have a different means of paying for it. I don't know if an additional percent of sales tax would raise enough to pay the debt service, but it would be spread evenly throughout the community and the county and the tourists, all of who may use the facility. Give our small businesses a break. They are struggling, just like the rest of us.

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skibro 7 years, 1 month ago

Do you want to live in a soul-less resort town or a world class location for healthy living, neighborly interactions, and raising a family?
If you want the later, please vote yes!

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longtimelocal 7 years, 1 month ago

Skibro, How bout putting your wallet where your soul is? If ya wan't you can pay my estimated $300 this year for the additional property tax, and have my membership. I will stay at the SSHR. How bout that? Or, maybe you rent and don't own property. let me know so I can tell them you will be sending an additional check, hmm, my soul feels better already.

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longtimelocal 7 years, 1 month ago

OH, and I forgot to mention that after being born here in 1961, with much less traffic, population, and people, this community had plenty of soul back then. Not sure having a new rec center has anything to do with the "soul" being removed. My wife and I already voted NO on this poorly planned and funded idea. If you want a new rec center figure better funding options, and user fees, and make it fly like any other new business would with a business plan. If you need "soul" go stand on the James Brown Bridge and watch the water.

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Getitright 7 years, 1 month ago

People who don't own property in town should not be able to vote on this issue.

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honestythebestpolicy 7 years, 1 month ago

The few affluent people who decided "for the community" to try to make this proposal fly on the backs of all the taxpayers without devoting any time or effort to fundraising neither amongst themselves nor by tapping into the considerable partnership potential in town that now includes Intrawest will simply just do that when this proposal fails. My prediction is that this rec center will be realized by other means if this fails that will include private funding as it should and needs to even to 100%. Nothing will be lost by voting NO now.

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honestythebestpolicy 7 years, 1 month ago

I was with a group last week that was told by a CCRC rec center proponent that Intrawest had already signed a letter of intent to contribute to the costs. Why isn't that ironed out and included in this initiative instead of being held back to see if the taxpayers will just foot the whole bill and the Intrawest contribution can just be some more icing on the cake?

Be Honest. According to the latest CCRC handouts, this rec center now includes an "Artificial Turf field with lights for extended season use". How was this $100,000.00+ added to the building program after the cost estimate was prepared and published by the most recent Consultant Team based on a specific line item budget for specific amenities - an artificial turf field not being one of them? The larger question, how are the needs of the community being assessed or is it simply carte blanche with the taxpayer monies about what amenities will be included at any given time based on a few people's whims?

Bottom line: The financial resources are available in this town to fulfill or at least partially fulfill this wish list. It is a huge missed opportunity not to even try to pursue these and then come to the table with some dollars $$$ and financial backing that solidifies the need/want before asking the taxpayers. Even the tennis center was partially funded privately.

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Brianna 7 years, 1 month ago

I used to believe that you were a bunch of fun, health conscience people that would love to have a rec center. The money that you have wasted on such pathetic issues I thought made this a no brainer. For a small yearly fee you would have an awesome athletic facility that would also serve many other functions. This would serve everybody. Do you want to know who is really going to pay for it? The visitors from Denver. You will just charge more for food, gas , housing, recreation, hotels, activities, etc. We all know how to work a budget and we all make adjustments to make things even out. The whining that I keep reading is just pathetic. I am not sure you people deserve something so nice. Then what would you have to complain about? I am not just talking about the rec center either. I have read all of your blogs and there are some mean, nasty, depressed people in Steamboat, way too many for such a small town. You really have lost your small town charm. You would rather have a Wal Mart than a rec center. I suppose you will complain about the snow in a couple months as well. Boo Hoo Steamboat, misery loves company but you lost mine.

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honestythebestpolicy 7 years, 1 month ago

BoulderGrad just boasted about the "over six figures" that have been raised privately on behalf of this rec center (See community comments on Michelle Lichtenfels discussion)

BoulderGrad, When did/do you plan on disclosing that "over six figures" of funds have been raised and how will they be applied? If you were honest then that would be part of this ballot initiative and would reduce the capital costs that you are expecting the taxpayers to pay.

This rec center effort has simply been dishonest for some long time and certainly not about community right up to today with BoulderGrad disclosing that there has been over 10 million dollars of funds privately raised on a comment line. That should be at the forefront of your campaign.

Just like when we were told that this rec center HAD TO be built at the Curcci Turner site because it wouldn't all fit at the Ski Town site and when Council rejected the Curcci Turner site all of the sudden lo and behold it does fit at the Ski Town Site with the solution you propose today. The taxpayers had to pay a whole different Consultant Team to tell us what you all already knew and it would have saved a huge pile of money if you would have been honest in the first place. Those are the facts because of a few people's selfish and personal agendas surrounding this rec center. It is sad and ultimately why it will fail.

That is on your back so good that you have your "over six figures" to work with. Sounds like you don't need taxpayer monies to me. Just another one of the rec center scams. Your dishonesty is appalling that I only have more examples in my pocket to illustrate. VOTE NO ON 2B & 2C.

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