Omar M. Campbell: Thoughts about Mexico

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Mexico — a good neighbor? By comparison to our Canadian ally — no. The latter participated in WWII and the Mideast affairs. They suffered considerable casualties as did the U.S. and NATO countries. There have been very few problems with our northern good neighbor and border.

I cannot remember hearing that Mexico ever helped the U.S. militarily in any way from WWI to the present. I do know from personal experience that U.S. citizens of Mexican descent served well and honorably in WWII. This text is no disparagement whatsoever of them.

In contrast to Canada, the corrupt third-world Mexican government gladly has accepted our corporations (cheaper labor force) and generous financial and other aid. In return, it has done nothing whatsoever to stem the tide of its citizens and other illegal immigrants from the rest of South America from crossing our border.

In fact, it actively has promoted and assisted the flow. How? By a ministry that provided advice about the easiest and best places to penetrate the border. Then there is the ongoing arrest and holding for more than three months of an innocent American serviceman in a Mexican jail.

It recently has come to light that drug cartels have taken over in northern Mexico and are extorting money from coyotes and border hoppers. It appears that we need the National Guard, well supplied with live ammo, on the scene.

After the Mexican war in the late 1840s, California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas were ceded to the U.S. One suspects that event still is embedded and festering in the Mexican psyche.

It is very probable that the government of Mexico wants, and indeed already has, considerable hegemony (political influence) in the U.S. and seeks more through its export of surplus population and the chance that a weak U.S. president will grant them amnesty by executive fiat. Hispanic names are increasing in both Houses of Congress. It is probable that their ethnicity will affect their objectivity in immigration matters — especially amnesty.

Demographers predict the “browning of America” in a few decades. Probably so, as our society has been invaded and amply seeded with anchor babies — and now with child “refugees.” The anchor babies are citizens automatically by the unfortunate 14th Amendment, meant to give children of black slaves citizenship. The founding fathers inadvertently shot us in the foot.

I have twice proposed City Council and county commissioners hire a bi-lingual officer to the All Crimes Enforcement Team or the Sheriff’s Office. His job, among others, would be to check employers of aliens to ensure that they are documented legally.

We are a nation of complacent pollyannas to have looked for decades the other way and allowed this subtle invasion and threat to our sovereignty to take place. Shame on us.

Contact your national congress people and tell them to shut off aid and trade with Mexico until it shapes up and become a good neighbor.

Omar M. Campbell

Steamboat Springs

Comments

Jeff Kibler 3 months ago

Money? No doubt, Bill. From blue-collar businesses ignoring E-Verify to billionaires crying for more STEM H1B visas, that's what it's all about. Displace and unemploy U.S. citizens in the name of wanton greed.
What I find shocking is billionaires from both sides of the aisle proclaiming that we have a shortage of STEM workers.

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Eric Morris 3 months ago

Viva la Mexico, because it does not get into some of the evil USG's evil wars of choice. Shame on Canada for being the USG's little lapdog at times. Sadly, Mexico does play with the USG's war on drugs, another war on freedom. In a free society, anyone can move anywhere at anytime, as long as they have the means to purchase or lease a little place that seems greener on the other side. My main problem with the current open borders, rather than my idealistic world without borders and the concomitant government's drawing those borders, is many of the moves are just to suck at the teat of the bankrupt USG's welfare offerings.

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jerry carlton 3 months ago

Omar I agree completely with one minor correction. Texas was an Independent country after defeating Santa Ana at the battle of San Jacinto. A few years later, my fore-fathers made the mistake of joining the United States. (This last remark is somewhat facetious.)

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Neil Camp 3 months ago

Omar as Daniel Patrick Moynihan stated: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

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Scott Wedel 3 months ago

The same Canada that accepted US draft dodgers and even deserters during the Vietnam War and refused to extradite them?

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mark hartless 3 months ago

The same Canadian border they once fled across to avoid serving their country is now the border "progressives" want to close up tight to stop energy production and transport. Meanwhile, they wish the southern border to remain open because the hoards will give them the upper hand pollitically. That alone is more than enough evidence to show they are quite mad.

These are the same "progressives" who say they love their children but apparently couldn't care less how many shoulder-fired missiles slip across our border. They claim to love their freedoms but will be the first ones to clamor for the police state when those rockets are fired from just outside LAX or DIA; or as soon as the man-pack detonates in Manhattan or downtown Denver.

They are the same folks who want to control MY guns but apparently couldn't care less how many AK-47's slip across our southern border.

The same people who used to shout "don't break up families" when we dared to evict illegal parents now say "let the children stay" even if that means keeping the families "broken up".

What is happening on our southern border is utter madness and for those in authority treason.

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mark hartless 3 months ago

trea·son

/ˈtrēzən/noun

the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

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mark hartless 3 months ago

Yes, Treason. When those in power intentionally dilute the nation's electorate in order to deprive that electorate of their just voice for the purposees of empowering themselves pollitically or enriching themselves financially it is TREASON.

You're darned right it's treason.

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mark hartless 3 months ago

A large group of bank robbers gathered today outside the Craig branch of Yampa Valley Bank. They carried signs and shouted through bull-horns, protesting what they claimed was "unfair" treatment of bank robbers. They demanded that they be treated like "customers" whenever they used a bank and that their kids be allowed to keep the money that they had stolen over the years. They accused the bank president of being "selfish" with the money she had in her bank and they demanded that the bank stop calling the cops on them whenever they came to make "withdrawals".

The police were not called to arrest them. In fact, the police were there to ensure that the robbers were not accosted as they carried out their protest.

Many non-bank robbers gathered to support the robbers. They marched alongside the thieves because they hoped to ultimately share in the power being demanded by the robbers.

I would say that the non-bank robbers who marched with them are stone cold MAD. There is simply no other word for this behavior.

Today outside the White House, illegal aliens had the temerity to not only show their face; not only to walk Pensylvania Av. They had the unmitigated gaul to protest our laws WHILE breaking them.

You people turning a gleeful blind eye to this are MAD. Absolutely MAD.

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Robert Huron 3 months ago

Our military was created to defend the United States of America. What I never understood was why we keep invading countries from Vietnam to Iraq and accomplish nothing but making a mess of these countries instead of deploying our troops along the southern border and actually defending our country. My guess it is money as was mentioned. The Texas economy would collapse considering almost 30% of the work force is undocumented with no benefits. The Texas politicians put on a show how they are against undocumented workers but in reality their supporters reward them for all the cheap labor and the profits they reap in because of it.
Even when we deport these people(2 Million in the last 5 years) there are consequences because 130,000 where criminal gang members who have moved into Central America and set up their operations there running drugs to drug thirsty Americans and in turn we sell them weapons. They give these children a choice, join the gangs or die which is why they are fleeing here. This is why Pres. Bush signed a law in 2008 allowing children from countries other than Mexico and Canada to seek refuge here unfortunately they did not for see 50,000+ coming. A real mess with no easy solutions.
Speaking of names I did meet a person many years ago named Omar. His name was Gen. Omar Bradley and I felt honored to meet him. My Father who had great respect for him always referred to him as the GI's General.

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Chris Hadlock 3 months ago

I am appalled that a country built by immigrants from all over the world has become so scared of the new generation of immigrants. In turn we came here because of religious persecution or the hope for new opportunities. Once they were here, we hated the Irish, we hated the Italians, we hated the germans, and we hated the french.

We would hate the darn Canadians too if we could figure out who they were. It's tougher when they look just like you and talk the same. Looked at from the lens of history, nothing has really changed and we will assimilate the new generation of immigrants just like we did the previous generations that came here to try and grab a piece of the American dream. Each and every one of you is here because your ancestor had the balls to risk everything and move to America.

Remember that the absolute best way to resolve our problems with debt and expenditure is to grow the economy and to be so scared of the new generation of immigrants just because they are brown is ridiculous. I agree that some level of control over the borders is necessary, but if we had a workable process for hard working people to come here and work we would all be better off.

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Brian Kotowski 3 months ago

Racism. The rallying cry of the intellectual coward. Mexico has fortified and barricaded borders, monitored by soldiers with AKs. Their immigration laws are harsher and more restrictive than ours by an order of magnitude. Is Mexico racist? If not, why?

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Kevin Nerney 3 months ago

Chris have you ever heard of Ellis Island? I'm sure your family went through there back in the day----Legally !!!! If Obama wanted to build a new one along the Texas Border I'd be all for the next wave of LEGAL folks to come aboard. However today's illegal immigrate just shows up and weights out the governments decision to ship them back and instead throws up it hands and says we can't deport them so we might as well let them stay and take there vote. It is what Regan did, as well as Bush and Obama is on track to follow suit.
If we had 100 percent employment and still looking to fill jobs I be the first one to let legal immigrates come on in and work. However, to many companies are moving jobs to India and other countries while hard working Americans are left looking for work.

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Robert Huron 3 months ago

Kevin they don't have the right to vote if they are illegal. Also the jobs they preform are the ones Americans refuse to do especially on the farms. When US Companies shipped our manufacturing jobs to China and India etc.for cheap labor that left few avenues for people to make a decent middle class lifestyle like we enjoyed. McDonald's had an $8 Billion profit last year yet they pay minimum wage and instruct their employees on how to get gov't assistance like food stamps. The taxpayers are subsidizing their workforce to help their bottom line which is really Corporate Welfare.

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mark hartless 3 months ago

I sincerely hope that you come home one day to a home filled with un-invited... let's call them "undoccumented co-habitants" drinking your beer, eating your food on your couch and watching ppv movies and sleeping in your bed.

I further hope that when you call the police (and you damn sure will) that you are told that you are a racist for wanting control of who and what enters your own property. I hope that when you tell the cops you just want to make sure these folks don't have dangerous weapons, drugs and disease that they laugh in your face. I hope the cops show up at your house with a car full of MORE intruders and set them off on your front door and drive away laughing...

Maybe then you'd understand the difference between your invited guests and family (adopted or natural) VS trespassers and intruders.

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Chris Hadlock 3 months ago

AGAIN, you will notice if you read closely, I called for a workable solution so that hard working people could come to America and work. Right now they are coming here and working under the table which is a problem. Ellis Island was an example of a workable process.

Our immigration system is broken and fatally flawed. It needs to be fixed, and sticking your head in the sand complaining about trespassers and illegal immigrants does not fix the problem now does it?

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mark hartless 3 months ago

When you champion a government that pays folks to sit on their ass then winding up with people sitting on their ass expecting mexicans to pick the fruit is not hard to predict.

You geniuses keep bitchin' about stagnant wages and keep flooding your work-force with people that will work for peanuts. That's bound to work out real good for ya...

You must be the economics expert with the PHd since you have met illegal aliens and all. That certainly makes YOU the authority.

And I'm sure that having met an illegal alien and heard their story gives you the power to peer into my soul and know what are the thoughts and intents of my heart.

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Jeff Kibler 3 months ago

Exactly how is our immigration system broken and fatally flawed?
Perhaps our chief law enforcement officer might consider enforcing the immigration laws already on the books.
Instead, he selectively enforces what he wants, and conveniently ignores the rest to our peril.

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Robert Huron 3 months ago

It would be nice if our Congress would sit down and work out an Immigration Bill instead of what are they going to do. Go on another VACATION for 5 weeks. The Senate Bill has been there for over a year and the leadership in the House will not debate it or vote on it because an election is coming. We all talk about the welfare state how about the biggest bunch of people who take a 6 figure check and do nothing. This is Congressional welfare. They were elected to govern not vacation, fund raise and campaign which is all they do. They are afraid of making any decisions because it may PO their Base. You can't fix a problem unless you address it. That is what happens when you continue to elect the same idiots over and over.. It is not just the Southern Border in New York City area their are 50,000 undocumented Irish Immigrants. There is no out cry there because we like the Irish now(we hated them in the 1920's) . We need a total revamp of our Immigration system and it can't be done when Congress is always on vacation. They should only be paid when they are in DC, working. How about $ 7.25 an hour with no benefits.

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Jeff Kibler 3 months ago

Most bills passed by the House are instantly tabled by Harry Reid.
No debate, no vote.
Educate thyself, partisan.

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Robert Huron 3 months ago

Those votes by the House were to repeal Obamacare, I believe a total of 50. The discussion is something important like Immigration not BS. I happen to be educated about the facts not what FOX or Sarah Palin puts out..

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Jeff Kibler 3 months ago

"352 bills are sitting on Harry Reid’s desk, awaiting action.

98% of them passed with bipartisan support. Republicans and Democrats working together to pass legislation.

50% of the bills passed unanimously, with no opposition.

70% of the bills passed with 2/3rds support in the House.

And over 55 bills were introduced by Democrats."

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Fred Duckels 3 months ago

If my neighbor has more kids that he can afford does that mean that some can come and live with me. One problem is our drug use which clouds the issue and provides those countries with talking points, not good.

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Scott Wedel 3 months ago

I think the kids coming across the border is the result of two other issues. First is that at least one of their parents is here illegally, but feels entrenched enough to have their kid(s) join them. 90% of the kids coming over have a parent already in the US. Second, is that the policy is to put the kids with their parents or extended family while waiting for the court hearing. The kids coming here is reuniting their family and is thus achieving exactly what the parents intended.

Quickest, but not friendly way to end the kids coming across the border would be to say the family will be reunited back in their home country and expedite deportation process for the parent(s) illegally in the US. That will stop parents from sending money home to bring their kids here.

Or, if we accept that their parents are here for the long term and are just waiting for a new immigration law to put them on the path to citizenship, then issue a special kids reuniting with parents visa and let the kids have the same immigration status as their parents.

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max huppert 3 months ago

SCOTT,, SCOTT!!! we should have taken your tents down to the border and set up a camp, the govt could have paid us 100 million, ill look for ya today to chat about it.

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Chris Hadlock 3 months ago

Just like the fence around your garden that fails to keep out the rabbits and voles, A fence on a 3000 mile border will be porous and easily defeated. You could throw the entire military budget at the border over the next 5 years and not make a major difference. Just like the drugs, when there is a will there is a way.

Actually fixing the problem will require that we acknowledge that our nation demands the labor of these immigrants, and that those same immigrants are driven to find a way out of their current situation. None of these people come here because life is all peaches and cream where they currently live.

Again, we need a workable solution that recognizes both the needs of America and the needs of those individuals trying to become American. If there was nothing here for them, they would not be coming. You want to fix the illegal problem, then punish those corporations and employers that continue to hire illegal immigrants for low-wage cash jobs. If there were no possibility of jobs there would not be an illegal immigration problem. We are creating our own problem and blaming Mexico.

The current crop of youngsters would be treated as refugees anywhere else in the world. How did our country become so unwilling to help? You can play politics all you want, but if a cold hungry child shows up at my door I will help as much as I am able.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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Robert Huron 3 months ago

Chris they said the same things in the 1920's and 30's about the Irish. Poles, Italians etc. As it turned out it was the children of these Immigrants that fought WW2 and saved this country. People seem to forget we are all products of Immigrants. Like you said they would not come here if it weren't employers eager to hire them. It all comes back to money like usual which is why Congress runs away from it.. (Too wet for golf today.)

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Chris Hadlock 3 months ago

Aww, so sad. I do not get to play bad golf today. Blessings in disguise :)

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mark hartless 3 months ago

"...A fence on a 3000 mile border will be porous and easily defeated. You could throw the entire military budget at the border over the next 5 years and not make a major difference..."

Complete Bull crap.

If fences don't work why is there one around the White House?

If they don't work, why is it that the Israeli fence which separates Israel from the West Bank has cut down terror attacks within Israel by 99%??

A fence the federal government built more than a decade ago along a 14-mile-stretch in San Diego, Calif., that borders Tijuana, Mexico has cut illegal traffic from 100,000 down to 5,000.

If "will" alone gets you over any fence then how do they keep people in prisons?

Ever heard of the Berlin Wall? You think those folks didn't have the "will" to cross??

Bull crap. You folks keep saying "we need a real solution" bla bla bla but a fence and a defined border IS the solution and the truth is you DO NOT want it- you'd rather have the pollitical power emanating from the illegals and you'd betray even your own children to have it.

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max huppert 3 months ago

If you want a fence then you need to bring in legally Israel workers to build it right, maybe they would to a trade, build wall for more iron dome rockets.

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Chris Hadlock 3 months ago

Big difference between the size and length of fence around the White House, and a 3000 Mile long structure that runs thru mountains, deserts and rivers.

Tijuana - Yep, and they have uncovered how many tunnels, underground railroads (yes, actual railroads) and even catapults to defeat that marvelous fence.

Again, Big difference between policing the Berlin Wall in an urban environment and a 3000 mile long fence. Ask yourself just how effective a fence would be between just Wyoming and Colorado. As an avid snowmobiler, I am sure you have a pretty good idea how easy that would be to defeat.

Israel, yes they are very secure aren't they Great example of how fences keep the peace.

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mark hartless 3 months ago

It isn't the length or height of the fence. It's the calibre of the machine-gun and the space between them.

If you folks are seriously foolish enough to believe a long desert border can't be defended go out to Nevada and just try waltzing into Area 51 or almost any medium security army base encompasing many miles of perrimeter.

They want us to believe the border is too big a job for them, but also want us to believe they can effect GLOBAL atmospheric change! You just can't make this stuff up...

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mark hartless 3 months ago

Let me introduce you to a few of those wonderful illegal aliens.

Mesa AZ Police Officer Brandon Mendoza was killed in a collision this week with a wrong-way driver.... a drunk illegal alien.

Jesus P. Pelico, 20, an illegal alien from Aguacaatan, Guatemala, has been charged in the June 20, 2014 death of Leone Turpin, 28, of Canton, Ohio. Pelico, who was living illegally in New Philadelphia, Ohio, is accused of the hit-and-run crash that killed Turpin.

Manuel de Jesus Guinea, 45, an alleged illegal alien from El Salvador, was arrested and charged with vehicular homicide and DUI in the death of 3-year-old Zane Thurber.

Christian Bautista, an illegal alien has been arrested for the brutal stabbing murder of 24-year-old Lauren Bump. Bump's body was found in a pool of blood on a trail in San Antonio, Texas.Bautista reportedly had several prior arrests dating back to 2005.

Alleged illegal alien Cinthya Garcia-Cisneros has been arrested in the hit-and-run deaths of two young children. Sisters Abigail Robinson, 11, and Anna Dieter-Eckert, 6, of Forest Grove, Oregon were killed when Cinthya Garcia-Cisneros allegedly struck the girls with her vehicle while the children were playing in their yard. Cisneros then drove away from the accident. 6-year-old Anna died at the scene and 11-year-old Abigail died later at a hospital from her injuries.

Sergio Martinez-Perez, 19, an illegal alien reportedly working as a roofer in the Omaha area, was originally arrested and charged with first-degree murder, first-degree sexual assault, first-degree assault, and burglary in the death of Louise Sollowin, 93. It is alleged that on July 21, 2013, Martinez-Perez brutally beat and raped Ms. Sollowin, resulting in her death on July, 24th.

Jose Luis Aguilar, 36, a suspected illegal alien, has been arrested and charged with first-degree manslaughter in the brutal death of 9-month-old Serenity Reedy of Richland, WA... 9 MONTHS OLD!! He sexually assaulted and murdered a 9 MONTH OLD CHILD!!.

Alfonso Diaz, a suspected illegal alien has been charged with DUI, assault, and manslaughter, in the death of 5-year-old Blake Cohorn of Lexington, Kentucky.Police reportedly allege that Diaz was driving unlicensed and drunk and drove the wrong way, killing Blake Cohorn and seriously injuring the child's father.

Julio Miguel Garcia, an illegal alien from Guatemala living in Falls Church VA, has been arrested for the brutal June 27, 2010 stabbing murder of 19-year-old Vanessa Pham. Pham's body was found in her car in Falls Church, VA.

Far more Americans have died at the hands of illegal aliens than died on September 11 and the numbers grow by THOUSANDS every year. Hope the next victim isn't someone YOU love. But if it is it will be worth it 'cause, after all, somebody's gotta pick the strawberries!!.

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Dan Kuechenmeister 3 months ago

Hey Chris, So are you equating Mexico to Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and any other Muslim group that has as it's goal the destruction of Israel. Best I can tell our neighbors to the south are not interested in wiping the USA off the face of the earth. So explain to me why comparing Israel's attempts to protect itself with fences is similar to the US and our southern border. Should we be developing our own Iron Dome to protect us against rocket attacks from Mexico? And yes, we should enforce our current immigration laws. Why should illegals be allowed to pour across our border while folks wanting to come to the US the legal way be forced to stand in line and literally watch the law breakers pass them by. Would kind of be like spending $120 for a day pass at Steamboat and watching hundreds and hundreds of non paying skiers and riders jump ahead. If you were the one that had paid me thinks you might not be a happy camper

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Brian Kotowski 3 months ago

The chest-thumping that a fence would be ineffective is complete and utter nonsense. I believe it was Joseph Goebbels who famously asserted the utility of lying: when proclaimed often enough and loud enough, the great unwashed will accept it as truth.

The Guatemalans, Hondurans & Salvadorans are a problem of long standing for Mexico. In 2011 (the most recent year for which there is any data) Mexico sent more than 61,000 of them back from whence they came, via rigorous policing of their borders. Impressive, when one considers that Mexico has vastly fewer resources than we do. Anyone who wails that it can't be done is just singing Goebbels' song.

It's also curious that the liberal's current standard bearer so passionately excoriated W's $4 trillion debt as "irresponsible" and "unpatriotic." Where are we getting the money to support these untold thousands of illegals, now that the irresponsible and unpatriotic deficit has ballooned to $17 trillion? That's a rhetorical question, of course. Our friends on the left can't be bothered with anything so pedestrian as 5th grade arithmetic.

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Chris Hadlock 3 months ago

A. I never made the comparison of Israel to Mexico. I just highlighted the ridiculous statement that a fence made them "safer"

B. Read my words closely, I never said that illegal immigration was a good thing. I highlighted some of the reasons and justifications that those immigrants are coming here.

C. It is American habits and policies that fuel our current set of problems. Like a Meth user that sees things in the dark. We are causing our own problems. If American corporations and individuals would quit paying laborers in Cash, there would not be an illegal immigration problem because there would be no money (ie no reason to be here).

Just like the underground market for drugs. No demand = No drugs.

Just why do you think all these people choose to uproot everything they have always known to take a chance on coming to America. Let me give you a hint, it is NOT the great burgers at McDonalds. They come here for Jobs, money and a chance at a better life. If we took away the jobs and the money, problem solved.

America can build all the fences and security in the world but as long as the driving force is $$$, the immigrants will keep on coming. Lets address the root causes instead of applying a temporary bandage.

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mark hartless 3 months ago

The fence on the West Bank DOES make Israel safer.

Your other points are well taken. I agree that if the job GIVERS were penalized right along with the trespassers that it would be very effective.

I can't argue that our own policies are to blame; they are. What this tells me is that we have a government that is not listening to the American people and has made up it's mind to flood this nation, I believe for the purpose of basically collapsing it financially.

I also agree that if I were down there (and I have visited Honduras, Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, more than once) I'd make every effort to come here. I would do anything, pay any price, break any law.

However, if I had just broken into your country I'd be humble and covert enough to NOT hold public protests, etc. The fact that they protest boldly in public and wave mecican flags says a lot about our feckless government and policies.

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Chris Hadlock 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Yep. Those fences have completely stopped the rockets and tunnels.

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mark hartless 2 months, 4 weeks ago

The current conflict in Israel is in and around Gaza, Chris... NOT the West Bank where I told you the border fence was built.

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Kevin Nerney 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Who want's to bet that if a 3000 mile fence starts to get built the government entity that wins the contract will not only overcharge but will use illegal workers?

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Dan Kuechenmeister 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Chris Sorry Pat if off topic but Chris needs some edumacation about Israel. Should Israel not defend itself. If you were Israel Chris, would you allow Hamas aka terrorists who stated goal is the destruction of Israel, unfettered border crossing from Gaza ino Israel to make it easier to murder Jews or would you put up a fence. What does a fence have to do with rockets and tunnels. Is it possible that the fence has been effective so that Hamas aka terrorists have had to resort to rockets. The Iron Dome has been successful so Hamas has resorted to tunnels built by the way with the generosity of Israel to the Palestines. Maybe if US builds enough fences the coyotes will resort to loading the kids in catapaults, tying parachutes to them and firing away. PS: you can not negotiate with terrorists.

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Chris Hadlock 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Dan, I did not mean to denigrate Israel at all. They have every right and responsibility to defend themselves from the attacks they are experiencing.

The point I am trying to make is that building a big fence between Israel and Gaza did not really accomplish much other than forcing the attackers to find different means to pursue their agenda. It also created a complete zone of poverty in the Gaza Strip that fuels the extremists and their recruiting efforts.

If we do manage to build such a fence on our southern border, it will only result in forcing the people trying to cross the border to use other means. As long as we continue to provide them with jobs and $$$$ they will continue to have the drive and desire to live in America. A fence will not stop the problems we are experiencing.

Kevin, they would clearly not be illegal if they only worked from the Mexican side :)

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mark hartless 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Chris is right that the basic problem is that America (or at least our gubbamint) has no desire to stop the invasion. If our gubbamint wanted it stopped it would stop.

Jobs would not be available, employers would be fined of jailed, invaders would be turned around at the border, those illegals that protested in broad daylight in front of the White House would be arrested on the spot and deported or sent to labor camps building the border fence.

That is why I used the word "treason" to describe what is going on. When those in power intentionally dilute the nation's electorate in order to deprive that electorate of their just voice for the purposees of empowering themselves pollitically or enriching themselves financially it is TREASON.

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Dan Kuechenmeister 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Chris, regards Israel. You have no clue. So my advice to you is go some where else. I have first hand experierce because of my family. IfHamas wins agiainst Israel who knows. Funny right kuechenmeister and Jews.

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Chris Hadlock 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Dan, I am sorry I offended you about Israel. I did not mean to be negative about their efforts to secure the safety of their country. This discussion is about our southern border with Mexico.

I was only responding to the comparison that others made in regard to the border fence issue. There is a very large difference in my opinion.

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Dan Kuechenmeister 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Chris, Thanks. I actually tried to delete my last post as after reading it I thought it a bit harsh to you. Anyway Pilot wouldn't remove it. So I need to think, type, read,read again, think and then click post. lesson learned.

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