Routt County oil and gas working group to finish reviewing conditions

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— The Routt County oil and gas working group will finish reviewing 61 conditions of approval for oil and gas permits and possibly add more Wednesday night.

The volunteer group of local property owners, county officials and industry professionals reviewed 47 of the conditions Dec. 28. Wednesday’s meeting is scheduled to begin at 5:30 p.m. in the Commissioners Hearing Room on the third floor of the Routt County Courthouse.

Planning Director Chad Phillips said the goal was to have the conditions reviewed and the list completed before the Jan. 19 Planning Commission meeting but said that won’t happen. He said a staff work session is scheduled with the Routt County Board of Commissioners on Jan. 10 to go over the conditions of approval and suggestions from the working group.

Phillips said that didn’t give planning staff and the county’s attorneys time to finalize the conditions before the Planning Commission reviews an application from Quicksilver Resources to drill on the Camilletti & Sons Ranch west of Milner.

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Kerrie Cooper 2 years, 10 months ago

Expert: Wastewater well in Ohio triggered quakes

http://news.yahoo.com/expert-wastewater-well-ohio-triggered-quakes-234501529.html;_ylt=As_gjk.PCFUm6z2oQCNmsTkPLBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTN0cTEzbHJqBG1pdANKdW1ib3Ryb24gU2NpZW5jZVNGBHBrZwM3MjM0MDNmMi1iZTZhLTNiZDAtOGU1NS1mZWUwOTNhZDVhMjEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA2p1bWJvdHJvbgR2ZXIDMjAyOTk0YTAtMzYxMy0xMWUxLWJmZmYtNjVhNDAyZjIxMTAy;_ylg=X3oDMTFycGwxa2xhBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3

CLEVELAND (AP) — A northeast Ohio well used to dispose of wastewater from oil and gas drilling almost certainly caused a series of 11 minor quakes in the Youngstown area since last spring, a seismologist investigating the quakes said Monday.........................................................................................................

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sledneck 2 years, 10 months ago

Shut that fracking down NOW! EPA needs to ban fracking! No more fracking till Nat Gas replaces all coal-fired power plants!

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kathy foos 2 years, 10 months ago

With the snowpack level so far behind this year(we are at 66 percent of average)water used in the fracking operation should be a consideration ,if it can be spared.Many fracking operations use unknown amounts of water and have been estimated at billions of gallons.

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Kerrie Cooper 2 years, 10 months ago

http://news.yahoo.com/earthquakes-caused-greed-231600261.html

Are Some Earthquakes Caused by Greed?

"COMMENTARY | Earthquakes are occurring in regions of the U.S. not known to be hotbeds of seismic activity, such as the 4.0 magnitude temblor in Youngstown, Ohio, on Saturday, according to CNN.com. Many environmentalists, average citizens and scientists are questioning the relationship between the practice of hydraulic fracturing and earthquakes the IndianCountryTodayMediaNetwork.com reports. Count me among the concerned "average citizens."

<p>ProPublica.org explains hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to be the process of injecting millions of gallons of water, sand and chemicals deep into the earth to break apart rock. This process is used to access hidden reserves of oil and natural gas; the ProPublica.org report that fracking is used in 9 of 10 natural gas wells throughout the country. .............................."

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pitpoodle 2 years, 10 months ago

Let's see, the community wants a moratorium to determine how fracking operations affect their water supply. Stahoviak wants to rush the process in favor of drilling. Guess she has already made up her mind. Protecting resident should be her priority but as it turns out, money for roads is her priority. And politicians wonder why people don't trust government officials.

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Marian Marti 2 years, 10 months ago

What is the source of the water they will use in the fracking process?

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Steve Lewis 2 years, 10 months ago

The Jan 4 article is not online, so I will comment here.

Nancy Stahoviak is quoted saying "we need to stay on track" and wrap this committee's work at tonight's meeting.

Nancy, please reconsider using a moratorium, and take the time to be thorough about this. It makes no sense to me that we cannot allow ourselves the time to close the holes this committee has found in our regulations.

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Steve Lewis 2 years, 10 months ago

FYI, The second and final 2 hour meeting of this committee is today, 5:30-7:30 pm, at the old courthouse.

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sedgemo 2 years, 10 months ago

I'm not a legal type but does anyone know if there is recourse vis a vis action against a commissioner if harm results from actions they take which are in opposition to the majority of their constituents? Or are they shielded from any consequences of their decisions? Two of three are still not considering a moratorium as far as I can tell from this newspaper. Four wells are in process, EPA new rules are not in effect. Do the voters have any say in this county at all about this issue? Does anybody hear?

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Steve Lewis 2 years, 10 months ago

I doubt the commissioners could or should be liable as individuals. The County could be. I believe one would have to show Routt County did not apply due diligence and harm resulted.

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Steve Lewis 2 years, 10 months ago

One of the committee members. quoted in the Jan 4 printed article,

“I do not think we should be rushing ahead like this. I don’t see how we’re going to have enough information to address all of the community concerns. What they’re asking is almost impossible. There are so many environmental and societal issues.”

The heading of the article, "Working group on fast track." might be an understatement, given their schedule of two 2 hour meetings.

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sedgemo 2 years, 10 months ago

How is due diligence determined? Do volunteer meetings without enough staff or time to produce meaningful results... especially in the face of significant public concerns and requests for a more careful process, qualify?

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spidermite 2 years, 10 months ago

sedgemo, The only action you can take against the commissioners is to vote them out. Any effort on their part could be viewed as due diligence. They seem to be indifferent towards this important issue.

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pitpoodle 2 years, 10 months ago

If it is anything like the city process, the only recourse for individuals is to bring civil suit against the perpetrators - Camilletti etal. It doesn't matter whether the individuals can show negligence because of the city's decision or whether the city applied due diligence and harm resulted. What due diligence? Protection of property owners means nothing but protection of city council and/or county commissioners is the only consideration that matters to them.

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spidermite 2 years, 10 months ago

pitpoodle, You got it. The commissioners are not legally responsible for their decisions.

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Kerrie Cooper 2 years, 10 months ago

So who will be responsible when the fracking wells cause wall collapses at Twenty Mile Coal Mine killing hundreds????? Every commissioner that agreed to fracking (including the Moffat County Commissioners with the wells in Moffat) should be personally liable for every person injured or killed due to their greed and lack of due diligence. Period...End of story. Not one person can say, they didn't see it coming!!!!!

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sedgemo 2 years, 10 months ago

How can we vote them out when there is no election in sight? Initiative and referendum? Palace revolt? Occupy the courhouse? It seems all we can do is wait for the inevitable disaster to happen. Why can't we get ahead of the curve? Why is a moratorium NOT EVEN ON THE TABLE?

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spidermite 2 years, 10 months ago

That's the problem with democracy. You can't storm the palace. Diane is on our side. Nancy and Doug always vote alike. If we had term limits their strange partnership wouldn't exist. You could organize a protest. Keep in mind the cops would find a reason to use their tasers. I think the plan for this year should be to say good-by to Nancy and vote Doug out.

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sedgemo 2 years, 10 months ago

Thanks Spider. Sorry I spelled courthouse wrong (will they tase me for that?!?, or the horse I ride in on?).

I always vote but am dismayed all we can do now is sit and watch as O & G "plays" with Routt Co., and hope nothing irreversible occurs before another election.

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pitpoodle 2 years, 10 months ago

I think the plan for this year should be to say good-by to Nancy and vote Doug out.

Good plan, should work. But, you can't beat somebody with nobody.

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spidermite 2 years, 10 months ago

There is still alot of time before the election. Canidates will emerge. It's a good job. Great benefits. Where else would you find employment where your not accountable for your decisions?

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sedgemo 2 years, 10 months ago

I'm holding out for the $6k a month fire spotting gig at the airport. I've heard there's a great restaurant there. :-)

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canyonwind 2 years, 10 months ago

Sledneck Why would you even suggest that all coal fired powered plants be replaced with Natl Gas fired powerplants. Do you want to see this valley's jobless rate go through the roof? The only stuff that is emmitted from the Hayden and Craig power plants is steam and Carbon Dioxide. Carbon Dioxide is what makes plants grow and without it there would be no life on this planet. As for the fracking, it can be done with just water and sand it just takes longer. The stuff that is added to the water is the problem not the drilling or the fracking process. Maybe they should find a biodegradable substance to soften up the layer of shale that holds over a billion $$$ in Natural Gas. Or maybe they should go back to all coal fired power plants and just forget about Ritters stupid idea of all Natl Gas power plants. Those of you that voted for Bill Ritter and Barak Obama are getting what you voted for. Both those guys dislike the coal industry and have friends$$$$$ that write big checks to them in the Natl Gas industry. BP and GE to name a few

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