Ryan Fisher: Let’s not get distracted

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The vote on Referendum 2C is about one thing and one thing only: Do we want regulated access to medical marijuana, or do we want an unregulated patchwork system of grows in our neighborhoods?

However, in an attempt to divert our attention from the matter at hand, issues pertinent only to medical marijuana itself have been raised to support a ban on licensed medical marijuana centers. These issues are tangential to this vote, but as many of the claims that have been made are quite spurious, I am impelled to provide the facts of the matter with citations included:

■ DUID arrests — 13 in 2008 (pre-dispensaries); 16 in 2010 (post-dispensaries)

Source: Steamboat Springs Police Department

■ Cannabis usage is not linked to an increased risk of lung cancer.

Source: www.medpagetoday.com/hematologyoncology/lungcancer/3393

■ In fact, marijuana’s active ingredient may shrink those cancerous tumors.

Source: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm

■ Despite the fact that the American Medical Association and the DEA’s former administrative law judge, Francis Young, have recognized the medicinal potential for marijuana, the director of the Office of National Drug Control policy is required, by law, to oppose its usage as such.

Sources: www.opposingviews.com/i/ama-ends-72-year-policy-says-marijuana-has-medical-benefits; www.ccguide.org/young88.php; and Title VII of the Office of National Drug Control Policy Reauthorization Act of 1998: H11225

■ The most wide-ranging study of its kind to date shows that those states that have ratified medical marijuana laws have actually seen a decrease in youth marijuana usage.

Source: www.ukcia.org/research/impactofstatemmjlaws.pdf

And the list goes on.

It is shameful and dangerous for those who support the ban of medical marijuana centers to skew data and represent anecdotal opinion as fact. What we should all be questioning is the effectiveness of outmoded policies that have not been shown to reduce youth substance abuse. The drug war, as it has been fought for the past half-century, focuses almost solely on curbing the supply side of things. Obviously, this has not worked. What I propose is an incentive-based education program that encourages the right decisions. We need to curb demand. Our youths need to understand that all medicines are drugs and that their abuse can have very serious negative outcomes, including death, as is the case for widely abused prescription narcotics.

It is hard to deny that the country as a whole is moving toward a policy of marijuana acceptance, but I digress. As I wrote in the opening paragraph, Referendum 2C is about whether we want to ensure safe and regulated access to a constitutionally protected medicine or whether we choose to revert to our old black market ways. One voter bloc supporting Referendum 2C is the corner drug dealer. Are they part of the majority? We will all know soon.

Ryan Fisher

Co-owner, Rocky Mountain Remedies, Steamboat Springs

Comments

Lisa Watts 3 years, 1 month ago

My response to Fisher Smoke & Mirrors:

1 DUID's are down:

2011 first quarter only is more than 2009-10 combined 2009: 793 2010: 1635 First Quarter Only 2011: 1176 *SOURCE: Colorado Bureau of Investigation

2, Marijuana is not cancerous:

One joint equals 20 cigarettes; a pack a day SOURCE: University of Pennslyvannia School of Medicine http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiatry/Addictions/8096 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090615095940.htm THE STUDY CITED BY FISHER IS OLDER THAN THE SUBSEQUENT STUDIES BY THE EXACT SAME REFERENCE. IN FACT, MOST SUBSEQUENT STUDIES RAISE SERIOUS ALARMS. READ ALL OF THE ATTACHED STUDIES ON THE SIDE BAR OF THIS SITE AS NEWLY REFERENCED THAT CITE HIGHER LEVELS OF TOXINS, IMPAIRED COGNITIVE FUNCTION, WORSENED COPD, DNA DAMAGE,

3, Does not promote tumor growth

SOURCE: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/41195 AGAIN, Fisher cites dated research from 2007, when more current data contradicts older data.

#4, Youngs opinion:
*Youngs opinion is dated 1988. A 23 year old analysis.

5, Usage in our youth is declining:

*Whoops! Fisher's web page reference for the UK Cannabis Internet Activist folks scientific data can not be found. Check back.......ummm later I guess. I might ask how a wide ranging study of it's kind in the US is supported by a United Kingdom pot activist site.

Our own Dervla Lacy, Director of Grand Futures, cites our drug problem in Steamboat Springs Colorado in our youth:

http://www.steamboattoday.com/news/2011/sep/10/dervla-lacy-our-drug-problem/

Further; the 2010 National Survey on Drug Use and Health from the US Department of Health and Human Services in conjunction with data findings from Monitoring The Future indicate nothing but an escalating increase in marijuana abuse.

http://oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k10NSDUH/2k10Results.htm

Gee, I seem to remember that Kevin Fisher, (partner in Rocky Mountain Remedies to Ryan Fisher), also tried to sell the Rotarians on the "fact" that real estate sales had increased since the dispensaries came to town, you know....since 2009. Mr. Fisher stated that he "did not appreciate" the laughter from the audience.

OLD data my friends. The Fishers attempt to sway you with a whole lotta data that looks real impressive. Take 5 minutes, look at their reference points, it's Cheech & Chong old.

Oh, did I mention it is illegal? That the FEDS busted Denver 2 weeks ago? That the IRS has busted pot business? That the banking and credit card companies can not do business with the pot industry? That the US DOJ has put Colorado on notice that they have no state immunity from prosecution because the FEDS trump? That accepting sales tax revenue from an illegal business puts our community at risk for money laundering and racketeering penalties?

Just saying.

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trump_suit 3 years, 1 month ago

Ms Watts,

Being so adamant about your beliefs, how do you reconcile that for the first time the majority of Americans think the Pot should be legal by 50-46%

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/weed-goes-mainstream-first-majority-in-gallup-poll-endorses-legalization.php

I am sure that you will listen to the majority right? How will your group react if your proposals fail?

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Bill Dalzell 3 years, 1 month ago

Oops... Some of you links don't work. You state that DUID's are up in 2011 but much like other ant mmj rants there are no stats. Just an opinion of yours. Lastly, you are still insinuating that an unregulated model in Routt County is better than a supervised and regulated model. I just don't get it. What is your point Lisa? Do you not understand yourself that the vote does not change the constitution, and will not in one bit effect the availability of MMJ?

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tlani 3 years, 1 month ago

Lisa Watts, It is very obvious from the time stamp of your post that you sit up at night and wait to attack Mr. Fischer It is very clear that his point is straight forward, do you want it controlled and regulated or in your neighborhoods with no oversight? You constantly spew about the Federal legality of this issue, well why don’t you leave it up to the DEA and the FBI ? Contrary to your belief it will not harm Steamboat nor its residents, only the dispensary owners if they decide to raid them. Heck, it might bring some tourism to the town that the DEA raided. Although, I am sure official cease and assist letters would be issued to the shops obeying all the State enacted laws. If I am not mistaken the shops that have been raided were not up to par and had questionable practices involved, therefore showing the regulation framework is working. I will not post links as you seem to have plenty of time to find them on your own. You see Lisa you only post partials and not wholes. Those involved have read the whole story, mainly the parts you leave out. There are facts to back up any issue for both sides of any debate and that is why the main issue gets forgotten about. It is very simple, vote yes and close them and the regulation that goes with their existence and let all the patients start setting up grows in the neighborhoods and buying from the cartel, and local dealers out of sight and unregulated OR VOTE NO and make them accountable for their actions and keep the local neighborhoods grow free and the local dealers broke and out of business. Seems pretty cut and dry to me……No pun inteneded. To those who choose to vote yes, then all I can say is shame on you for putting this back in our neighborhoods and communities, it truly shows your real concern for the citizens and youth of Steamboat, pot is going nowhere, it has been here and used for thousands of years.

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tlani 3 years, 1 month ago

trump_suit,

There is no group, Lisa Watts and her cohorts never registered their campaign group, have filed no paperwork at all, unlike Sesible Steamboat whom has followed all proper channels and filed all proper paperwork, This is public info availble from the town clerk.

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trump_suit 3 years, 1 month ago

tlani,

I fully understand that Ms. Watts is fighting a personal battle and has not bothered to register her advocacy group. For her to do so would make her newly registered group report their sources of funding. I am sure that discussing their money is something that they do not want to do, it might reveal who is really behind their efforts.

I could care less where they are getting their money, but it would be really nice to hear what their group will do if this action fails at the ballot box. Just how many times will we be forced to pay for an election on the same issue? Will they accept the results?

I would love to have Ms. Watts respond to the most recent Gallup Poll that I posted. Come on Lisa, give us a response.

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Glenn Little II 3 years, 1 month ago

Let it be.. If the dispensaries are banned in the county then we will see or perhaps not see all of this money taken away from our local economy. It will go into the pockets of individuals who are and have been growing there own weed for the past few years. The demand for marijuana is higher than it's ever been before and that will only create widespread growing amongst our community. I think it would be great if an apartment complex was full of growers. Think how friendly all of your neighbors would be. Instead of being alienated into exile by those who oppose marijuana. The problem here is that no one is happy until these issues are resolved. It's funny how things change and if we lose our rights to go to a dispensary well then we can always just drop by your neighbors house to pick up some more weed. One thing though is that since dispensaries have opened there is no where to get weed from if you choose not to go to one of these stores. Unless you know the right person. If you can not see it coming already then expect it to come. The market for marijuana will rise in demand and so will the prices once again. No tax will be collected and we will have quite the predicament on our hands with a lot of angry individuals who can't get there medicine.

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kevin fisher 3 years, 1 month ago

Alright Ms. Watts. Let's do this again:

2011, National Cancer Institute- No link between cannabis use and lung cancer:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page5

DUID Stats are for Steamboat. They are accurate. If you'd care to debate the state-wide current stats, I would argue that law enforcement is merely looking more closely for the crime. Are you honestly going to assert that because 3.5% of the population now has an mmj card DUID's have correspondingl jumped? What about the other 37% of CO' population that has used marijuana w/o a card? They don't factor in for you, eh?

Antitumor effects:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

But that's just the National Cancer Institute. What do they know?

Young's opinion has been ignored for 23 years by those very bureaucrats your "Tea-Party" purports to loathe.

Get back to me when the UK study is applicable to cannabis usage associated with medical marijuana laws in the U.S.

So far as the laughter at Rotary goes: I frankly cannot believe that you are raising this as a point of pride. That was supposed to be a respectful forum. The "bad kids" at Dr. Harrington's table which included the pack of cronies with whom you and Dr. Victory make the rounds were acting like children. The facts of the matter are these:

-Real estate transactions in Steamboat increased 170% from 2009-2010 -Sales tax revenues to this point in 2011 are about 4% higher than in 2010 -Ranking in Ski Magazine rose from #14 to #8

I stated these, not to insinuate that MMJ is responsible for the improvements. But instead, to disprove those assertions made by you and others that somehow MMC's presence has a deleterious effect on our reputation and economic vitality. I did so effectively and those very mature folks with whom you associate, made a mockery of it. Embarrassing.

continued.....

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kevin fisher 3 years, 1 month ago

Old Ms. Watts? Old are you and your supporters opinions about medicinal cannabis. 73% of Americans support its legalization:

http://elections.firedoglake.com/2010/04/05/pew-poll-73-favor-legalizing-medical-marijuana/

Tired. Tire are your assertions that you "support legitimate access to MMJ" and "that we are open to a debate about the legalization of marijuana."

You miss, are transparent. You simply care not for cannabis. Fine. Stay away from it then. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO USE THE DRUG.

Illegal. Yes it is, federally. I ask you though, how do you, as a Tea Party Activist feel about OBAMACARE? Would you sit with your brethren to nullify Federal Law?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/02/01/107862/tea-party-boise-backs-nullification.html

The Feds? The Feds helped the MMED, the regulating authority for my industry, to bust Cherry Top Farms. A conglomerate that had been previously put on notice and continue to operate illegally. This shows how the system works. Get it?

Illegal. Yes it is, federally. I ask you though, how do you, as a Tea Party Activist feel about OBAMACARE? Would you sit with your brethren to nullify Federal Law?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/02/01/107862/tea-party-boise-backs-nullification.html

I, myself, will stand with Dr. Martin Luther King (even thought this quote is soooooo old) and his belief that "one has a moral responsibility to obey unjust laws."

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kevin fisher 3 years, 1 month ago

And, "one has the moral responsibility to DISOBEY unjust laws." Geeze, I should really proofread.

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kevin fisher 3 years, 1 month ago

the U.S. study from the UK link:

www.mpp.org/assets/pdfs/library/Teen-Use-FINAL.pdf

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rhys jones 3 years, 1 month ago

Homegrown's all right with me.

Homegrown is the way it should be.

Homegrown is a good thing.

Plant that bell and let it ring.

-- Neil Young

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 1 month ago

And at the very least, way too many people in society have used mj for too many years that health surveys would have seen the large number of lung cancers by now from those that smoke mj.

It was not a chemical analysis of tobacco that determined that tobacco caused cancer. It was general population health surveys showing far more lung cancer in cigarette smokers than the rest of the population.

And for mj, there are simply no such studies showing a huge increase in lung cancers. Some studies show there may be an elevated risk with number of cancers slightly more than expected but right around the study's margin of error.

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kathy foos 3 years, 1 month ago

I think the federal government should get a cut in the tax.They are used to having a piece of the pie,First Obama flushes out all of the users by saying dont prosecute to the States,then complete reversal,Conflicting and confusing,no wonder one one can figure it out,you would have to be Nostrodamas to figure it out.The bust in Denver was possiby a dispensary that was not being legal? Those people better watch out,Colorado Law is going to make sure.Federal Law too.Besides all of that,we all know money is what its about in every issue out of Washington,one message to register,then when they see they dont have a piece of the pie in taxes like the States they dont like it ?I see why,because they also have extra financial burden in enforcement,didnt get a peice of tax money to cover their extra costs that will always be there.I read the laws in mmj and if the state busts you the first and second time (I believe)its a state penelty,if you do it again you are straight up turned over to the Federal prosecution which is always about 20 years for anything.So my point is that the federal government needs to figure it out.How can they prosecute people in Colorado who are legally caught in a" catch 22" that the Obama created by a making conflicting statements ?Is the president legally responsible for creating this catch 22 of confusion ?It shows that untill a law is passed through proper channels and publicized correctly dont act on a whim of a president.His word does not have to be good.His word is good for nothing in this case.Law abiding confused americans,operating under state approved system,contributing to the state coffers and now licensed legally by the state,living under a discrimination that seems like a witch hunt and has no end in sight.If something that is voted on in a republic and passes by vote ,it needs to be protected at some point from persecution by the peoples who dont like the law?.Take gays for instance,no one says they dont like gays because its wrong,being gay is legal and the public better not make them feel bad.Its the right thing to do,even if you personally dont care for being gay yourself.The same should apply for the mmj.now.Tolerance is hard.Hey I am trying to learn it everyday.Im actually making myself look openminded at the oil annd gas issue,its a real challege,but there has to be a compromise to get to the solution?Maybe I have only seen the horrors of the oil and gas ,so a clear look at it without predjuice has not been tried,thats because they are so offensive in every way , oil companys pollutions,my defensive attitude,and need to save the planet and the oil for the future ,get off of the dependency. Solutions must be reached.We cant go on like this.There you go I turned another post into gas and oil.Support the EPA they are saving whats left of the of the USA clean air ,water and even your property values in the end.

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spidermite 3 years, 1 month ago

Just a few more days and we will find out how the silent majority voted.

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rhys jones 3 years, 1 month ago

yvb -- see, that's the problem. Nobody THINKS they're lying, some people just believe some weird stuff. Even the professionals, paid to lie in these forums, find ways to rationalize their beliefs.

kathy -- my Mom retired from the EPA to Battlement Mesa, and tells me the EPA inspector for that region -- which presumably includes us -- hasn't made an appearance nearby in years, so busy is he playing politics in Washington. So don't count on a lot of help there.

In somewhat of an attempt to re-rail this talk, I'll just say that mmj is not in the best interest of the Federal Reserve, that private company which dictates all policy by pulling the pursestrings, bosses Presidents and answers to nobody. Because once the general populace starts analyzing things rationally, rather than buying the company line drunkenly, it won't be good for business.

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Phoebe Hackman 3 years, 1 month ago

Here's something I've never heard from one single medical professional on any of these forums: personal experience. And by that, I don't mean doctors who toke. I mean, if marijuana use is such a health hazard and abuse is so prevalent in this area, why aren't our doctors' waiting rooms jam packed with patients with lung cancer, tumors and psychosis, caused solely from marijuana use? Citing studies, research and internet links is pointless; no matter which side you're on, some "authority" can be found to back up any given opinion. How about some real life evidence?

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heboprotagonist 3 years, 1 month ago

The comment thread here has proven that this debate is no longer about legality, morality, or even statistical evidence. Perhaps it never was.

This vote has become what all votes are ultimately about; money, power, and ego. Both sides disavow any loyalties to all three. And any argument to prove otherwise is markedly difficult (though it doesn't seem to stop any of us from trying).

So, it's a stunning development when one side shamelessly demonstrates the most elusive and egregious of the three traits: ego. Watts' ego practically gushes off the page. This fight is personal; if it wasn't to begin with it, it clearly is so now. She seems to posses an unhealthy desire to be "right" all the time. And not just right, but the first to do so. She can't wait to respond to her opposite's letters and comments, even when it would strengthen her argument. And while the two sides disagree on everything about this issue both statistical and anecdotal, only one has taken to personally attacking and mocking the other.

I understand that all good politicians have oversized ego's. Some just do a better job of putting it to use.

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Phoebe Hackman 3 years, 1 month ago

Uh, did I read this right? Ms. Watts says:

"#1 *2011 first quarter only is more than 2009-10 combined" (2009) 793 + (2010) 1635 = 2428; 2011 first quarter only: 1176

According to Ms. Watts' math, 1176 is more than 2428.

2 From Ms. Watt's own link:

"Researchers note that toxic substances in tobacco smoke can damage DNA and increase the risk of lung and other cancers. However, there has been uncertainty over whether marijuana smoke has the same effect."

Not exactly definitive ...

3 Yes, Mr. Fischer's link is an article from 2007. Ms. Watts' link, on the other hand ... doesn't exist. *Whoops! Check back.......ummm later I guess."

"#4 *Youngs opinion is dated 1988. A 23 year old analysis." The article she's referring to is dated November 10, 2009. 2011 - 2009 = 2 (years)

Well, maybe math just isn't her forte.

5 I had no trouble opening this link. It's a pdf, Lisa. Maybe you don't have the right program to open it.

From Ms. Watt's own samhsa.org link: "The number and percentage of persons aged 12 or older who were current users of marijuana in 2010 (17.4 million or 6.9 percent) were similar to the estimates for 2009 (16.7 million or 6.6 percent), but the estimates in 2010 were higher than those in 2002 through 2008. Between 2007 and 2010, the rate increased from 5.8 to 6.9 percent"

A 1.1 percent increase over a three year period? Hmmm ... might have something to do with the economy. I wonder what the increase in effexor was?

Gee, I'm sure glad Ms. Watts doesn't actually practice medicine ...

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Phoebe Hackman 3 years, 1 month ago

BTW, is anyone else having trouble posting with Firefox? I had to open IE to post. Everytime I try with Firefox, I get logged out and a message that says "Please correct the following errors"

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sledneck 3 years, 1 month ago

I got that message before. I had to "delete my cookies" and it stopped. That almost sounds naughty...

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 1 month ago

So Spidermite, any guesses on how the silent majority will vote?

Based upon demographics, I think the ban will fail in SB by 60-40 margin. I think the ban will fail overall in the County by a close vote.

BTW, was hoping that whomever would step forward and acknowledge paying for the Yes on 1A and 2C signs. Presumably, failing to register as a campaign organization was an honest mistake and not an intentional attempt to hide whom is financing this campaign.

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rhys jones 3 years, 1 month ago

Judging by the response to ONE ever-inane rebuttal, questionably funded and complete with unclickable links, I'd wonder if said antagonist isn't also on the Pilot payroll.

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kmboat 3 years, 1 month ago

Ms Watts, If you are going to quote information please don’t falsify the clearly stated facts simply in order to accommodate your propagandist objective.

ScienceDaily (June 15, 2009) (The website YOU CONVINENTLY CITED)

"The smoking of 3-4 cannabis cigarettes a day is associated with the same degree of damage to bronchial mucus membranes as 20 or more tobacco cigarettes a day.” Not the misconstrued “One joint equals 20 cigarettes; a pack a day”

Also it CLEARLY noted in the article the author specifically states:

",,,researchers add that the ability of cannabis smoke to damage DNA < is due to the fact that> users tend to inhale more deeply than cigarette smokers, which increases respiratory burden. "

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kmboat 3 years, 1 month ago

In order to try to avoid accusing Ms. Watts of the same fabricated façade she faulted Mr. Fisher of “coaching”; Please allow me to also highlight a select few articles, published in the same Science Daily (which LisaWatts personally quoted in her obviously prejudiced attack against Mr. Fisher.)

( Chosen cited article was published in (July 2009) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090615095940.htm

                                             Opposed to the flowing list;

Marijuana Component Could Ease Pain from Chemotherapy Drugs, Study Suggests (Oct. 6, 2011) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111006125418.htm

Cannabis Ingredient Can Help Cancer Patients Regain Their Appetites and Sense of Taste, Study Finds(Feb. 22, 2011) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110222192830.htm

Smoked Medical Cannabis May Be Beneficial as Treatment for Chronic Neuropathic Pain, Study Suggests(Aug. 30, 2010) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100830094926.htm

All articles which were published subsequently after the article Ms. Watts mentioned.

Take 5 minutes, look at the reference points…slightly Volstead Act old?

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blue_spruce 3 years, 1 month ago

Wow....lisa....why do you choose to use your own name? I don't even know who you are but now I know you are psycho and crazy. Take a que from seeuski...when you are going to stay up late and spew crap on the the blog that the whole town reads - its really best to be anonymous!!

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jerry carlton 3 years, 1 month ago

Lets talk about what this is really about. Money. The Fisher boys are getting rich selling pot. Not as rich as the illegal dealers, but rich none the less. I have seen several stories about you boys donated to this and that and you have so many employees and paid so much sales tax. How about telling the public what your net profit is thus far thru 2011. If you told the truth, I bet peoples jaws would drop to the ground.

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Phoebe Hackman 3 years, 1 month ago

Geez, Jerry. The Fishers own a business that makes a profit. I don't know of any business whose goal is NOT to make money. What's your point? It costs Starbucks about 17 cents to make a cup of black coffee and they charge $1.40 for it. Now that makes my jaw drop.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 1 month ago

jlc, Well, the solution for reducing how much the owners of RMR make in profit would be for the City to stop the city created limit on the number of local dispensaries. In a city with here a liquor license there a liquor license, then limiting mmj businesses to basically 4 is going to create some very profitable businesses.

If you want them to make less money then allow more competing businesses. Look at restaurants in Oak Creek, they have so many that the guy opening the Circle R Bar says he isn't expecting to make money. Now, if RMR fought efforts by the city to allow more dispensaries then they should be criticized.

But it makes little sense at this time to criticize Kevin or Ryan Fisher for operating a presumably highly profitable business because with a city that could decide to ban them at any time and with a public vote on that ban then they have to recover their initial investment in very little time. And it is not as if they received SBA loans to help get started and all of the improvements to convert warehouse space to grow space is not cheap.

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kevin fisher 3 years, 1 month ago

It's really not anyone's business, but since I have ended up in a positition similar to that of a public official, I'll disclose that I made $83,000 last year and split that with my girlfriend who works the front desk. So far this year, I'm on track to make about 125% of that. I do o.k., but I sure ain't rich. Especially if one considers the number of hours I put into this thing.

As for our payroll, that averages about $100k/mos. You see, we are reinvesting everything back into this enterprise. I even still carry plenty of credit card debt from the start-up.

Everyone out there thinks it costs virtually nothing to grow cannabis and that we just turn around and sell it for buko-bucks. Ever pay an $8,000 electric bill? Ever spend $35,000 to merely apply for a professional license? Is anyone aware that commercial space leases for twice as much in Steamboat as Denver? Ever run a business that is in the black while still giving away about $70,000 worth of product per month? It isn't easy.

The rumors and assumptions about our income simply are without basis. I am a true believer in American Capitalism. If we survive, one day I do plan on making some good money. Anyone who would begrudge an entrepreneur his or her share should move to a socialist state. We put our butts on the line, here. To risk it all in a business such as MMJ and to do it well deserves renumeration, not condescension.

One man's opinion.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 1 month ago

Kevin, I think this sentence warrants further explanation: "Ever run a business that is in the black while still giving away about $70,000 worth of product per month?"

Obvious question is whether that is promotional giveaways to promote the business or charitable pricing to patients with severe medical needs?

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kevin fisher 3 years, 1 month ago

Scott,

As per state law, we sell nothing below cost. Instead, we offer a very, very generous buy one get one....... for those in our caregiver program. We also provide completely free meds to some patients who meet Colorado indigence guidelines. In addition, we offer a 20% discount on everything in the shop for those in the c.g. program. It is also important to note that there is not one single item in our center that is repriced at the typical 200-300% rate seen in most retail environs.

In a nutshell, our margins are razor-thin. We like to think of ourselves as Steamboaters. As such, short-term profits have been sacrificed for the sake of (we hope) a long term reputation of quality and fairness.

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steamboatsconscience 3 years, 1 month ago

carlton now that Kevin has told you how much he made, how about you publishing your 1040, you pompous a$$ while we are at it how about doc Victory telling us how much Walgreens has "contributed" to her crusade. Fair's fair.

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Phoebe Hackman 3 years, 1 month ago

And, Jerry, don't forget to tell us your occupation. I don't think we'll be hearing from Mr. Carlton again :-)

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Glenn Little II 3 years, 1 month ago

GO VOTE TODAY IS YOUR LAST CHANCE FOR FREEDOM !!!!

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jerry carlton 3 years, 1 month ago

Ryan Very good response and my respect for you has grown greatly.

Steamboatsconnscience and Phoebe Since you choose not to reveal your names, I choose to regard you two as not existing.

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tcb 3 years, 1 month ago

Gee.....you think the state of colorado is fired up? dan hartman(the nitwit who authored the letter that showed up in the paper)has been reassigned to a new position from his previous one as director of the medical marijuana enforcement division. looks like he crapped in his hard hat.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/227381/188/Colorado-Medical-Marijuana-Enforcement-director-reassigned

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thalgard 3 years, 1 month ago

yvb...we should definitely kick that Republican Suthers out of office!

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JJ Southard 3 years, 1 month ago

Jerry, your respect for him should have never lessened.

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jerry carlton 3 years, 1 month ago

Phoebe Hackman My current occupation is retired drawing social security. I worked 51 years so I feel the government owes me my money back. I had many occupations over my lifetime as I adjusted to changing market conditions. My dislike for alcohol, mmj, prescription drugs and hard drug abuse came from working as a corrections officer for 5 years at the Yakima County Jail in Yakima Washington. There I saw first hand the destruction that substance abuse causes in peoples lives. What is your current occupation?

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thalgard 3 years, 1 month ago

YVB...in my opinion, and I most certainly don't expect you to agree with me, only the Dems have even the slightest potential to even consider marijuana legalization...the few repugs that have even suggested it are way down on the pecking order. Far too many right wingers have far too much invested in private prisons too even consider it(Darth Cheney chief among them). Who do you think is profiting from illegal arms sales to drug cartels? Acorn?

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steamboatsconscience 3 years, 1 month ago

Deaths from painkiller overdose triple in decade NEW YORK — A new government report shows the number of overdose deaths from powerful painkillers have more than tripled over a decade. Prescription painkillers such as OxyContin, Vicodin and methadone contributed to the deaths of nearly 15,000 people in 2008. That's more than three times the 4,000 deaths in 1999.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, nearly 5 percent of Americans ages 12 and older say they've abused prescription painkillers. The highest rate of abuse was reported in Oklahoma while the lowest was in Nebraska and Iowa. Fatal overdoses were more likely in men and middle-aged adults. The report was released Tuesday by the CDC.

Marijuana overdose deaths? Anyone? Oh yeah, none.

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