Mary H. French: Centers are controlled

hereandthere 1 year, 7 months ago

Excellent letter. Thank you Ms. French, for offering a rational and objective perspective to this illogical attempt by some to restrict the civil liberties of those that they percieve to be of a different political or social persausion. Which is all it really is. The complete disregard by this group of the detrimental effects caused by the abuse of other drugs puts any concern they purport to have for the community at large to question. The dispenseries in town have in fact acted responsibly, and I would wager that most members of the community could not even tell you where the dispenseries are located. They really can not produce any evidence that having these dispenseries operate in town has produced any significant threat to public safety. Our hope as a community has to be that more of our fellow citizens support American values of personal rights and responsibilities and vote this group down.

JJ Southard 1 year, 7 months ago

Thank you, Mrs. French. Indeed, as way move into the future, it still seems some foljs would rather hang onto the pitchforks and lynchmob mentality of yesteryear. Most are smart enough to see through all that. Vote NO

JJ Southard 1 year, 7 months ago

We not way. Typo

sashas 1 year, 7 months ago

Just in case people don't see my post under Bill Schurman's letter, I will post it here because I find it extremely disturbing. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3nJvxChNy4

My thoughts: Should cardholders bury their guns? Should cardholders get rid of their licenses? My concern is the ATF busting in, taking the guns, charging cardholders federally and then sending the CPS in to take the kids. Am I completely off course here? Please look at this video.

sashas 1 year, 7 months ago

I forgot to thank you, Mary, for your letter. It is definitely time to evolve as people, and this is one of those issues that holds us back. Even though topics such as this may hold you back from becoming a future resident, I can assure you that this place is moving a heck of a lot closer to an evolutionary breakthrough compared to your area in Florida. I am a former Palm Bay and Vero Beach resident, and Steamboat has been able to put my frustrations, regarding topics such as these, at bay. Good luck!

Scott Wedel 1 year, 7 months ago

sashas, Just goes to show how irrelevant and stupid the federal government gets when it deals with mmj.

Just as federal government claims that Colorado dispensaries are violating federal law but the feds apparently cannot locate a Colorado dispensary to prosecute.

The federals are all about spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt, but not acting because they do not want to end up in court where they will either lose or the decision will tell the states how to make it legal. It is precisely because of Raich vs Gonzales that said all MMJ was still federally illegal that Colorado passed HR 1284.

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

WHAT ABOUT THE BANKING ISSUE? Why has not either "side" addressed this issue? Please refer to this Denver Post story:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_19016660

Does this banking issue impact the stand of any voter on the dispensary issue? Are the voters considering this information?

If commercial banks will not accept deposits or hold accounts for pot shops and credit card processors are shutting off dispensary accounts, will it necessarily follow that the dispensary business with at least for the near term be an all cash business? How does that impact community safety? How might that result in an increase in white collar crime?

From the Denver Post:

"On Friday, the last bank in Colorado to openly work with the medical-marijuana industry — Colorado Springs State Bank — officially closed down the accounts of dispensaries and others in the state's legal marijuana business over concerns about working with companies that are, by definition, breaking federal law. Robert Frichtel, an industry consultant who runs the Medical Marijuana Business Exchange, estimated the number of accounts the bank held to be around 300"

Read more: Last bank shuts doors on Colorado pot dispensaries - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_19016660#ixzz1ZfQtGCzt Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

BeCoolHoneyBunny 1 year, 7 months ago

Julie Postlethwait, a spokeswoman for the Department of Revenue's Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division, said "This is one of the most heavily-regulated industries in the state." http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_19016660#ixzz1ZfQtGCzt

Seems like Lisa Watts, the good Doctor and local law enforcement are all misinformed.

BeCoolHoneyBunny 1 year, 7 months ago

According the the anit-MMJ crown there isn't enough regulation in one of the most heavily-regulated industries in the state. Their solution? Make it completely unregulated. Problem solved. Brilliant!

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

Where are the dispensaries banking? Do any credit card processors remain for them?

sashas 1 year, 7 months ago

Scott, Even if this is more of just a threat, someone may be used as an example, and there still is the possibility that they do actually move forward with it. It's kind of like the few raids they have done--almost like example setters. If I fell into both categories of having a registered weapon and being a cardholder, I don't think I'd want to risk the possibility.

Chickadee, I guess the banks were threatened that they won't be bailed out next time if they cater to the marijuana dispensaries. ha.

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

Thanks for the red herring. Could you throw a red swedish gummy fish instead (tastes better). The issue I present does not have anything to do with government bail out of banking institutions.

The issue to consider is WHETHER the inability of dispensaries to make deposits with federally insured commercial banks and or use credit card processing services should be accorded some weight and consideration by anyone who will be voting or otherwise taking a position on the dispensary issue.

What problems do y'all see arising from dispensaries having to essentially operate on a cash only basis? What issues arise when there is no FDIC insured repository for that cash? How does this impact the community as a whole when there are large amounts of cash circulating in the local economy and increased bartering?

Is public safety impacted by certain business owners holding large amounts of cash in a safe because there is no institutional repository for those funds? Is there increased opportunity for economic white collar crime? More money laundering? In Steamboat Springs (noooooo that could never happen here, right?). Or would you posit that if the dispensaries are eliminated there will be even more cash floating around because the cartels do not accept credit cards and they raise the prices.

Wasn't there just an article about a plea deal being accepted by one who was alleged to have stolen cash from her ex-boyfriend? She took the deal because she could not afford to go to trial. According to the article, there were no receipts or other book-keeping to account for the boyfriend's cash, which created difficulties for the DA in prosecuting the case. See where I am going with this?

Please submit your responses below. Why didn’t the brown shirts address this issue? Oh yeah, they don’t want to have to go through the brain drain to investigate white collar crime so why mention it, eh?

steamboatsconscience 1 year, 7 months ago

Chick Can you tell me what mood altering substance you are using? is it a legal one? your comments on all the threads are pretty confusing to say the least. What exactly is your position on this? and why do you demand people to answer personal questions (Rhys) which are none of your business? are you accusing the dispensaries of money laundering? are you accusing the boyfriend of being a drug dealer? do you have proof of your accusations? are you looking to get sued for libel? See where I am going with this? Please submit your response below.

Scott Wedel 1 year, 7 months ago

I sincerely doubt most, if any, dispensaries will be moving to all cash. As the article mentioned, the dispensary found an unnamed financial institution willing to take his business.

Credit card processing might be harder to replace since processing utilizes a nationwide network, but that will just drive customers to get cash from nearby ATMs.

And it is normally the burden of those seeking to change the laws to demonstrate why the change would make things better. So how would banning MMJ businesses make things better? Would it really eliminate local marijuana usage or would it once again be commonly available from drug dealers?

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

Sue me for libel? Hahahahah. laugh of the day. Thank you very much!

You drew some inferences from my posts that I certainly did not make.

I am sorry that I confused you.

I am not going to stop asking questions.

Those who admit to having committed illegal activity and/ or the intent to commit future illegal activity are the ones who should be concerned about the legal consequences of their posts.

Off topic, but it is a legit question to ask why Ms. More’s boyfriend had a large amount of cash in a safe for which there might have been insufficient accounting according to generally accepted accounting principles.

A person can receive cash in exchange for services and business endeavors other than drug dealing, correct?

Didn’t the DA assert that the case would be difficult to prosecute because of the lack of accounting for the cash?

Isn’t there at least an implication that the complaining witness might not be a victim of an alleged crime for which a jury would have a lot of sympathy?

Might not that “victim” have some explaining to do as to the lack of records for the cash?

If dispensaries become essentially all cash businesses without many options for institutional depositories for the cash, is there an increased likelihood of crime in connection with the presence and circulation of cash?

My drugs of choice are caffeine and iboprofin. Legal. But that does not make them “healthy”, I know.

What is so offensive about posing questions?

Provide your response below:

JJ Southard 1 year, 7 months ago

Chickypoo,

At the end of each day, a medical marijuana center has to account on paper, with a signed form, where and for how much each gram of marijuana goes. The patients number and the quantity purchased are recorded. The on-hand dollar amount starting and ending each day is recorded. Every owner of these businesses has signed away all their rights to privacy and are open to local, state or federal audit on their personal finances at any time. The background check to be the owner and operator of a medical marijuana center is more strict than to own a gun manufacturer in this country...it's the same background check one would undergo to become an FBI...or the president for that matter. My question to you is, what are you afraid of? Many business operate under a personal bank account and not many folks who run their own business, that I know of are paying 100% of the taxes they owe.....so why don't you just ban all businesses with an element of white collar crime? We would have none left. Do these small mom&pop businesses have to deal with the Dept. of Revenue breathing down their necks, well aware of the lack of options for banking and handling their books? No. Their is no room to launder money in the MMC business in Colorado. Until you have tried to operate an MMC yourself, only then can you point this finger and ask these questions, honey. Have a great day with your Starbucks and Advil.

steamboatsconscience 1 year, 7 months ago

chick obviously you need to re read your own rantings, I'm not the only one who thinks you were making accusations with your questions. see above ^^^

JJ Southard 1 year, 7 months ago

Hello, Chicky.....? what's next up your sleeve?

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

my arm!

JJ Southard 1 year, 7 months ago

I got a finger for ya

sashas 1 year, 7 months ago

Where did my post go, Steamboat Pilot? There was nothing illegitimate or foul about it. Such a waste of time and effort.

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

Dr. Green, actually small business owners often do have to deal with the Dept of Rev or the IRS breathing down their necks or at least a likelihood of that occurrence. Business owners who file a Schedule C (mom and pop) are a subset with a high likelihood of audit.

I am not suggesting that MMJ dispensaries or any business be banned. I am asking questions to which I seek answers from people like you, which answers might be relevant in the mind of some voters when making a decision at the polls.

I do not think that certain members of the pro dispensary crowd do themselves a favor by insulting those who ask questions, diverting to the dangers of advil and alcohol (I am aware of them) or by making threats to respond to a ban of dispensaries with illegal activity.

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

jj. are you giving me THE finger? ouch!

and is that because I support legal MJ?

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

JJ could you please give me a green thumb instead of a finger? That I could use.

JJ Southard 1 year, 7 months ago

It's not due to your support of legal MJ...I am too. It's your inuendos that mmj business operators any different than anyone else.

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

I am not making any implication about MMJ business owners. I am asking questions that I might otherwise ask about a business due to the sole fact that I and others will have the responsibility to place a vote that impacts the ability of these businesses to exit in Routt County.

If there was a ballet issue coming up about Starbucks or Dollar Tree I would be asking questions about those businesses.

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

If I would have been opposed to Walgreens operating in Routt County, would the shareholders of Walgreens be storming me with threats to operate illegally? Probably not. Would they give me the finger? Maybe. Insult me? Perhaps. Would they be able to stop me from asking questions and annoying people with my questions? Never.

rhys jones 1 year, 7 months ago

JJ -- While I can get emotional myself, leading to comments I later regret or get pulled, we have to take the chick at face value, a genuinely curious undecided, and not assume she (it) is just another manifestation of the same wretched souls who started this debacle some months back, which we both know it really is. Duster, chickadee; gmail must be busy setting up pseudonyms for somebody.

Credit thus granted, we must then patiently explain the rationale for our position, addressing the dated points one at a time. We know we are flapping our gums; the chick is just trying to set us up for a fall, catch us in a misquote, put a feather in her (its) cap to cluck another day. Not our problem; they're not our issues; all we can do is try to help where we can. I never claimed to be a psychologist. Amateur in study.

rhys jones 1 year, 7 months ago

Amateur status thus conceded, may I now offer some additional observations:

While I may often have a hard time understanding Scott W, it's not that his reasoning is faulty, just my ability to follow it, initially. Does that make him wrong? No.

I have no problem following chickadee's logic, although I learned way back in debate class, false premises invalidate your conclusion. Every contention we have confronted has been debunked years ago. Yet still we hear the same propaganda.

When one apparently rational individual refuses to accept the truths smacking them in the face, I begin to suspect financial motivations. chickadee ain't stupid -- she's on the payroll.

JJ Southard 1 year, 7 months ago

Ok ok. Rys, I hear you. Thing is, chickypoo thinks we are dumb and will fall for this goody-two-shoes attitude. I see through it. Probably, yes, payroll.

If you think I believe that if we were voting on Walgreens that they would be questioning Walgreens' financial handlings, you must be more delusional than I thought. Tell ya what, chickypoo, if thats the case believe I was giving you the #1 finger. Because, I was, ya know.

Our campaign is based on truth, yours is based on instilling fear and confusion.

Btw, we SHOULD be voting on that God-forsaken Walgreens monstrosity. Pretty sure it wouldn't get much local support either. Us rural philantropist and all.

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

Yeah, Rhys, I am paid to be your intweb troll. My sponsers include Advil, Diet Coke, Walgreens and The Federal Reserve. I am on the troll patrol to further The Zionist Plot for Global Domination. Hegemony Rules! Buy Gold and all that.

Scott Wedel 1 year, 7 months ago

Chickabee, So are you only able to ask questions? How about answering some questions.

What do you think will happen after dispensaries are banned?

Do you think most Routt County MMJ patients will turn in their Colorado MMJ licenses so number of local MMJ patients will be reduced to "acceptable" levels, whatever that might be?

Do you think Routt County MMJ use will be greatly reduced? Do you think patients will drive to nearest dispensary? Do you think local supply will mostly be met by illegal drug dealers? Do you think that teens will find it any harder to gain access to illegal mj?

Do you think the dispensaries in nearby counties might advertise locally to gain the business of Routt County MMJ patients?

Do you think there will be no economic consequences from banning businesses with dozens of employees and occupies tens of thousands of square feet of commercial space?

Rhys, If my logic is not understood then it is faulty because I must be leaving out the steps needed for it to be understood. Though, it does not mean my logic is wrong, just incomplete.

jk 1 year, 7 months ago

chickadee, "If there was a ballet issue coming up about Starbucks or Dollar Tree I would be asking questions about those businesses."

For some reason, I have my doubts about this.

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

I am not obligated to answer any questions in that because neither my “lifestyle” nor any of my business operations are subject to a vote next month.

The dispensary crowd NEEDS my vote. I do not need their vote.

Anyone who is seeking my vote as to any issue must to answer my questions to earn my vote.

Nevertheless, I will indulge you...

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

If dispensaries are banned, I doubt any Routt County mmj card holder would surrender his or her license/ mmj card. Having the card does not mean one must use the card. Many of the card holders are likely cannabis dependent or cannabis abusers according to DSM IV TR diagnostic criteria. Their cards are precious to them.

There is no limit to what is an acceptable number of card holders in my opinion, assuming that those who hold a card obtained that card lawfully and without fraud. I agree with Shawant that it is not necessarily the fault of the dispensaries that NPs or MDs are engaging in violation of the law and or ethical guidelines with respect to granting opinions that serve as the condition precedent for obtaining the mmj card. A better question might be this: what is, in my opinion, an acceptable level of substance abuse and dependence e in Routt County and whether I opine that the dispensaries contribute to substance abuse and dependence.

No, I do not think that banning dispensaries will SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the use of MJ in Routt County. Some reduction, maybe. .It is more likely that there will be an increase in price for all MJ, an increase in home grow operations and an increase in unlawful sales and distribution. I do not think that eliminating dispensaries will significantly reduce the use of MJ among minors.

The question you should have asked me is whether banning dispensaries might reduce the incidence of cannabis dependency and abuse in Routt County. It might, to the extent that some users might drop off because of increased price and decreased convenience of obtaining MJ.

Yes, it is highly likely that dispensaries from Counties both near and far will increase advertising locally to gain the business that was lost by the local dispensaries.

Yes, I do think that there will be econ consequence from these businesses. Is not such commercial space still a tenant's market?

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

I cannot think of any scenario in which a political faction needing support from undecided voters found it wise to insult the people whose votes they should be courting.

Nor can I think of any scenario in which a political faction needed to win the votes of the undecided electorate such as myself but rather than wooing the undecided vote, the faction chose to interview the undecided vote as if to test whether or not that undecided voter is worthy of voting for their cause.

The dispensaries need a campaign manager and some advice on how to win the votes of the undecided.

The anti-dispensary faction is not impressing me with their attempts to woo the undecided voter either.

That being said, I would prefer that we call a spade a spade. I agree with what Rob Douglas said in that, generally, people who buy pot (legally or illegally) buy it and use it because they like to get high, not because they need their "medicine".

There is no subculture devoted to Advil. I would be surprised to find anyone who would fantasize about tattooing a quarter pounder with cheese on his ass or “legalize Vioxx” across his back. Musicians do not write songs about the joy of pain relief obtained from use of Tylenol. I am never going to threaten anyone to obtain Claritan or a latte’ (caffeine plus HFCS!) by unlawful means. Know what I am sayin’?

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

JK if there was a "ballet" (sic) issue coming up concerning Starbucks or Dollar Tree I would be asking questions.

Ballroom dance would be a better fit for Starbuck than "ballet". Dollar Tree should probably stick with Chinese traditional dance, or maybe broadway jazz. Not ballet.

If there was a BALLOT issue coming up as to Dollar Tree or Starbucks, yes I would ask questions.

I would be asking Starbucks to stop using HFCS to gain my vote.

And do not even get me started on the questions I would pose to Dollar Tree. It is possible that the chinese plastic sold at Dollar Tree is way more toxic than THC. It is hard to breath in the Dollar Tree! A substantial amount of toys and other junk manufactured in China and destined for European and American markets still contain phtalates.

I do not think that ballet (sic) should be performed at either of those venues. I would vote no.

jk 1 year, 7 months ago

Ah my lovely little chickadee, I'm guessing someone with your great mental prowess would understand that I was letting your first typo go. I simply cut and pasted your words,was there something else you were implying? I'm not so sure in that last bit of babble you answered my question? Could you please speak more clearly?

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

ahhh hahahah. I am laughing at myself. thanks for pointing out my freudian slip, i mean typo!

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

Why do you assume that I have great mental prowess? You are being sarcastic, no?

If there was a ballot issue about some other business I would be asking questions about that business to the extent I need or want to ask them to become a more informed voter, I mean more annoying forum troll.

Clear enough?

And again, why are questions being directed at me? I am not asking for the anyone's vote. MY vote and the votes of otthers who are on the fence about the dispensary issue deserve to be courted by both sides of the issue. I do not see that happening, except, perhaps, with the exception of Scott Wedel, who is not a dispensary owner, correct? So he does not need my vote. I give him credit for possibly earning it.

Scott Wedel 1 year, 7 months ago

Chickadee, Mighty presumptuous of yourself to assume that the dispensaries need your vote. From talking to people in my neighborhood, your viewpoint that mmj has doctors doing something wrong is only a concern of those few fundamentally opposed to MMJ.

The far more common viewpoint from neighbors is that they don't use mj, but they see mj use by others as comparable to their use of alcohol. They don't consider MMJ to be real medicine, but they sort of like the idea of dispensaries selling to Colorado registered citizens as that prevents hordes of hippies from around the US (or world) coming here on vacation and having an unlimited supply of weed.

So convincing you might be what is needed for the dispensaries to reach a 70% to 30% resounding victory, but they probably don't need you to win the election.

I've talked to a doctor that writes mmj recommendations and she has no personal ethical troubles. She sees it as people saying it improves their lives and she knows MMJ is far less harmful than alcohol which she, based upon a lifetime of experience, believes would be their alternative psycho-active drug. She can say that her patients using less alcohol because they have access to MMJ saves and extends her patients lives. Her patients are not dying from mixing pain pills and alcohol, for instance. So I find this whole doctor's ethical concerns issue pretty funny because individual doctors and state and the national AMA have considered the issue and don't have problems with it.

So while it is fun to engage the issues with another person, I think your answers would be looked at by the typical voter and get a response that there is not enough there to second guess the idea that dispensaries are better than illegal drug dealers.

Lastly, would it make you feel better that I doubt you possess

Scott Wedel 1 year, 7 months ago

Chickadee, "Why do you assume that I have great mental prowess?"

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I do not assume you have great mental prowess.

Isn't that the compliment you were searching for? :)

And no, the original statement was not sarcasm, but flattery to indicate the typo comment was in good fun.

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

So.

My conclusion is that I did not pass the test that is a condition precedent for voting to keep the dispensaries.

That is an interesting campaign tactic! It actually might work on people who have low self esteem and those who only want to be members of a club that will not let them join (intersecting subsets, yes?).

I did not opine that all or most professionals who recommend MJ violate the law or ethical standards. I simply addressed an issue that the Brown Shirts have put on the table. To be more clear: I addressed that issue by stating my opinion that IF there is a problem with the professionals who make the recommendation, the dispensary owners are not necessarily implicated as being co-conspirators.

Thank you!

chickadee 1 year, 7 months ago

Where was this large libertine voting block (70%???) when Gary Wall was running for re-election?

I don't understand the disconnect. But given my low level of intellectual functioning that is no surprise!

Don't blame me for the Brown Shirts. I voted for Gary Wall. Both times.

Btw, just for the sake of argument: THE WORST offenders (those who violate the law, ethical rules, societal mores) typically would lack a conscious and have little remorse for their actions or empathy for their victems. They are the sociopaths.

Scott Wedel 1 year, 7 months ago

Chickadee, There is no test required to vote on this issue.

I am not a campaign manager for the dispensaries so I did not respond to your posts to get to your vote, but to hopefully have an interesting discussion. I'd expect the dispensaries would appreciate your vote, but if they thought they needed your vote then they'd be running more commercials directed at your concerns. Based upon demographics, the dispensaries should win SB and so I think we are seeing them concentrate upon getting out their vote.

Since they have so much at stake then I suspect the reason we are not seeing them running a high profile campaign like was run by SB 700 is that they believe that having a high profile turns some voters against them. In a sense, this campaign is a statement that they are willing to be a low profile business.

rhys jones 1 year, 7 months ago

Why do I suspect our curious schoolgirl is a wolf in sheep's clothing? Trying on new hats. Methinks thou protesteth a bit too much...

Before I depart this intellectual vacuum in favor of a productive pursuit, let me thank Scott for, first, doing preliminary Euro research, thanks, I'm lazy, and not quite ready yet -- and second, wasting your time trying to educate the opposition, a vain effort, considering they are paid to raise this rabble. The Pilot loves you too, for contributing in such great volume. Keep 'em yakkin' is the Pilot way, so keep it going!!

Scott Wedel 1 year, 7 months ago

Chickadee, It is not really a large liberal voting bloc. It is a large educated relatively well off voting bloc. That is more professional competence with libertarian leanings than party ideological. That did not accept Gary Wall's conspiracy theory for his DUI arrest because all he needed to do was submit several blood samples to expose it. And professional people with business experience found Gary's fighting with the County Commissioners to be unnecessary and unprofessional. And Wiggins seemed to have backed off a bit from the stupid GRAMNET busts since ACET under his command seemed to focus on real criminals, not concert goers or gondola riders.

And for the well off professionals of SB, there are not the sorts of problems being caused by dispensaries that would justify banning their businesses. Their concerns are more like are the dispensaries fronts for Russian mafia? Sure looks more like local business owners than front men for gangsters.

They have probably tried mj years ago and probably know people that regularly use it, but they do not use it, nor does it's usage scare them.

And these well educated professionals tend to have strong turnout so you add up the mmj patients and them to see that it should pass in SB easily. County would be expected to be a closer vote. And then you get into Yampa and Oak Creek where it is too small with too many individual personality issues to be able to predict the outcome.

Seems to me that Oak Creek residents have a particularly double-edged vote because town revenues are sharply declining and it is reasonable to project another $40,000+ decline in property tax revenues in two years. Thus, banning MMJ businesses in Oak Creek which would end the businesses of the largest commercial tenants and further depress the commercial property values starts approaching the point of saying Town government lacks the money to continue operating. And certainly, as the only employees paid 100% by the general fund, the police dept probably is barely able, if able at all, to have one officer.

And the 1% sales tax on OC's ballot is probably the final nail in the coffin for the gas station. Another 3-4 cents a gallon makes it worth driving to Yampa to get gas. And it certainly will not help the grocery store and so on. So as it raises taxes, it further hurts the tax base. OC is not SB where the alternatives are generally out of reach. Many in OC commute to SB and OC tax hikes increase the incentives to shop in SB.

It is not at all hard to view Oak Creek without MMJ businesses as lacking the tax base to maintain a town government. Or, at the very least, requires going to a Yampa model where police services are provided by the Sheriff's dept at a minimum cost to the town.

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