Group forms to oppose medical marijuana business in Routt County

Tuesday meeting intended as strategic session for local action

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Medical marijuana business opposition meeting

  • Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 7 p.m.
  • Bud Werner Memorial Library, 1289 Lincoln Ave., Steamboat Springs
  • Not available / Free

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— A Tuesday meeting could be the first step toward formalized public support for a ban on medical marijuana businesses, an issue that likely will be on the ballot for Steamboat Springs voters in November and that county officials plan to discuss in June.

A leader of the local medical marijuana industry, conversely, said work to formalize opposition to a ban will accelerate next month.

The activity indicates that wheels are slowly starting to turn in anticipation of upcoming campaigns on both sides of the issue that recently filled Centennial Hall.

Steamboat resident Lisa Watts, an organizer of next week’s meeting, said the event at Bud Werner Memorial Library is open to anyone with concerns about the commercial industry.

“I’d like to give the community an avenue to positively address their concerns about the impact that medical marijuana is having on the community,” Watts said. “We’d like to offer this organization as a unifying point for the community to come together, share information and address issues that Amendment 20 has ended up placing in small towns, municipalities and counties across the state.”

Colorado voters’ passage of Amendment 20 in 2000 legalized medical marijuana patients and dispersal of the drug by caregivers. But the industry’s booming growth into the dispensary and medical marijuana center model has led to regulatory challenges at the state and local levels, along with public votes on whether to allow the industry in municipalities across Colorado.

The Steamboat Springs City Council voted, 4-3, on May 17 against a ban on the industry in Steamboat. But City Council unanimously supported placing the issue before city voters and could address finalized language of a ballot issue next month, in preparation for a November election.

Watts said she has not registered a political action committee with the Colorado Secretary of State’s office and is unsure whether Tuesday’s meeting will evolve into a formal committee for a fall campaign.

She did say, though, that one topic Tuesday will be how to approach a public meeting of the Board of Routt County Commissioners at 5 p.m. June 21 in the Routt County Courthouse. That meeting will address the medical marijuana industry in unincorporated areas of the county.

“We do plan on pursuing action on a county level to address these issues and ask the community of Steamboat Springs what kind of community we want to be,” Watts said. “This Tuesday meeting is (about) exactly that — how we want to present this to commissioners.”

Commissioner Doug Monger said the June 21 meeting will include discussions about two resolutions: one that would extend a ban on additional medical marijuana businesses in the county to July 1, 2012; and a second that would ban any future businesses.

“Neither of those would put Aloha’s out of business at this point in time,” Monger said, referring to a medical marijuana dispensary in Milner.

A press release emailed to media late Monday announced next week’s pro-ban meeting as a function of Routt County Citizens Against Medical Marijuana. But Watts — who was quoted in the press release sent by Phyllis Coletta — said Tuesday that the group’s name, in her opinion, hasn’t been finalized and should be toned down.

“We’d prefer that it’s just a medical marijuana community impact coalition,” she said.

A website cited in the press release, www.routtcountyciti

zens.wordpress.com, keeps the initial language, though, while announcing next week’s meeting.

“Please come prepared to help with ideas and efforts to rid Routt County of pot dispensaries,” the website states. “If you want to argue about pot, stay home. This meeting is for Routt County Citizens Against Medical Marijuana.”

Kevin Fisher, co-owner of the Steamboat medical marijuana dispensary Rocky Mountain Remedies, said he’s waiting until after City Council’s June 7 action on ballot language to formalize a campaign opposing a ban.

“We’re obviously putting the groundwork together for our side’s PAC,” Fisher said. “We’re not going to put the name out there until after June 7.”

He said that all three of Steamboat’s medical marijuana dispensaries would be involved in a campaign but that he and Rocky Mountain Remedies likely would be the leader, financially and logistically.

— To reach Mike Lawrence, call 970-871-4233 or email mlawrence@SteamboatToday.com

Comments

freerider 2 years, 11 months ago

Lisa Watts

well some has already beaten you to a ban on Marijuana - His name was Harry J. Anslinger - Our drug czar in 1937 - He was a white racist bought and paid for by other white racists of the time to protect their corporate profits -

Hey Lisa here are some quotes for you by Harry J. Anslinger

By the way Lisa - Colorado has already evolved out of the med-evil abyss and voted for medical marijuana and now you want to return to the dark ages

Hey Lisa why don't we ban books and T.V. and internet and newspapers and truth so we can maintain the fascist police state that we live in when it comes to Marijuana

man created alcohol and pills

GOD CREATED MARIJUANA WHO YOU GONNA TRUST

Here's some Harry for ya Lisa

Harry J. Anslinger quotes: ...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.

Harry J. Anslinger quotes: Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing.

Harry J. Anslinger quotes: There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.

Harry J. Anslinger quotes: Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men.

Harry J. Anslinger quotes Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.

Harry J. Anslinger quotes: You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother.

Harry J. Anslinger quotes: Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.

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hereandthere 2 years, 11 months ago

"If you want to argue about pot, stay home." That right there pretty much speaks volumes about what type of people will show up Tuesday. I got some names that would be a fitting discription to this group, but the Pilot would delete. Hey Lisa, maybe a screening of Reefer Madness? Open wine bar? Will you be issuing the white hoods on Tuesday?

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mark bond 2 years, 11 months ago

What am I missing here? What does being a pothead have to do with race? So now if you oppose pot you are a racist? Huh?

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

Okay, I'll come to the meeting.

But only if they're going to be showing "Reefer Madness."

(PS...will there be pie and/or punch?)

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

mwb007-

The initial outlawing of cannabis revolved almost solely around finding a way to terrorize people about it using race. The overall theme was, "these damn Mexicans and Blacks are smoking all this reefer and it sends them into a ravenous 'rape everything' mode, where they rape all our white women." So yeah, back in the old days at least, usually the 'anti-pot' crowd happened to be a lot of the same folks that were a part of the 'anti-diverse-ethnicity' crowd.

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Kelly Victory 2 years, 11 months ago

The purpose of this group, and of the meeting on Tuesday, is to explore the impact that MMJ and the explosion of MMJ dispensaries is having on our community. We are not challenging (currently) Amendment 20, or the potential risks/benefits of MMJ or marijuana in general. We are looking at the impact on the image of Steamboat Springs; the Routt County economy; our ability to attract and retain lucrative, job producing, tax-paying businesses; the housing market/home sales; drug related crime; and the devlopment of a highly unregulated cottage industry that bears a banner of "Medical". Personally, I am all for legalizing marijuana, decriminalizing it, regulating it (like tobacco and alcohol), and ending the charade that this is something that can and should be "prescribed" by medical doctors -- but that's not the discussion on the table for this group or the meeting on Tuesday night. Many of us believe that the passage of Amendment 20 has resulted in something that wasn't anticipated, and we are interested in exploring and addressing those issues via an organized and civilized community discussion.

With regard to inane comments like " God created marijuana, who you gonna trust?" --God also created cyanide and arsnic; have at it.

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hereandthere 2 years, 11 months ago

Don't worry, Pretty sure the image of Steamboat will be as a town dedicated to excessive alcohol consumption, where the wahoos (did I get that right Lisa?) can parade up down Lincoln before getting in their cars to drive home. If they make it. But you did forget to pull the children card. You know, where your parenting skills are trumped by the "stoner" in town that wants to corrupt your kid. .

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Queenie 2 years, 11 months ago

why do so many people in these forums have to be such jerks? Why can't we respect that we all have our own opinions.

patient22 provided humor and information without being a jerk..easy enough

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Scott Wedel 2 years, 11 months ago

Well, this could be a humorous campaign when the organizers of the prohibition campaign cannot agree on their organization's name or press release.

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SMRFF 2 years, 11 months ago

Are those of us who have done our homework and have hard, factual evidence pertaining to the true effects marijuana has on people and communities allowed to attend this little get together?

I am only asking because it is very apparent that many vocal participants in this "discussion" do not seem to welcome evidence and research when it contradicts an opinion(s) they've harbored for so many years.

Campbell - I think it's great that you are a proponent of legalized marijuana, but let's call a spade a spade here. Absent any facts supporting her view, Lisa Watts has made her stance and agenda on this subject very clear.

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Glenn Little II 2 years, 11 months ago

SWEET, I will post an event on Facebook letting all the stoners know when and where to show up at Lisa Watts meeting at the library.. Campbell is right why are we trying to decide on dispensaries when LEGALIZATION is the real question here? If you did not know already there are 8, that's right count them 8 initiatives filed for 2012 ballot consideration regarding Legalization of Marijuana !!! By the time we vote and settle on this issue Legalizing Marijuana is going to be our next big one so don't hold your breathe. You can read more about Legalization here ~ http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2011/05/marijuana_legalization_initiatives_2012_colorado_ballot.php

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

1Campbell, you type a well-written paragraph, then you liken marijuana to arsenic and cyanide??? Making yourself look like a fool. Chemists, not God, create arsenic and cyanide in a laboratory. The same laboratory that makes pharmaceuticals.

Medical Marijuana is NOT going anywhere. It will be a close vote in November. We are a divided community on the issue. What this anti-medical marijuana group doesn't seem to understand (hopefully they discuss it in detail amoungst themselves at this meeting) is that medical marijuana is not going anywhere. Even if the MMC's in Routt County ultimately get voted to shut down, patients and caregivers can pool together and form non-profit patient collectives, which are protected under the Amendment 20 of our State Constitution. Collectives are 100% unregulated and can operate as a home occupation (under some city guidelines) or even as a delivery service. Collectives do need a sales tax license and does not give back to the community in any way.

A vote to allow medical marijuana centers in Steamboat Springs is a vote for the regulated distribution of medical marijuana in our community. A vote to ban MMC's will simply put the marijuana back in the neighborhoods and more readily in the hands of the local youth. Medical Marijuana IS protected by our State Constitution and no matter if Routt County Citizens Against Medical Marijuana gets the city to vote MMC's out of business, the inevitable will remain, which is: THE MARIJUANA IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

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housepoor 2 years, 11 months ago

here is idea for a name:

HAH - hypocrites against herbage

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Kelly Victory 2 years, 11 months ago

My name is Kelly Victory, M.D., and I am one of the founders of this Community Action Group. As I believe I made very clear in my previous statement, at this juncture, I am not interested in debating the pros and cons of marijuana, its current status in the state of Colorado, the fact that it remains illegal (in all forms) based on federal law, and whether or not there are legitimate uses for it beyond recreational (i.e. medical). What I am interested in fostering, is civil and thoughful dialogue regarding the impact that MMJ dispensaries are having on our community, and whether these are "unintended consequences".

Currently, more than one in ten residents in Steamboat holds a medical marijuana card; as a physician, I am shocked that no one has yet published a journal article on what is apparently an epidemic of glaucoma and debilitating chronic pain in our community. If it is real, then we have a truly reportable situation occurring here, and I believe that the National Institute of Health, Center for Disease Control and other organizations mandated to follow and advise on health issues need to be alerted. If, on the other hand, the amendment is being prostituted to allow people to access marijuana under the guise of a medical condition rather than following the righteous path to legalization and regulation, then I think we have to address that and the impact that it is having on all aspects of our community.

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Kelly Victory 2 years, 11 months ago

Dr.GreenGenes -- In a battle of the wits, you show up unarmed. I would be happy to explain to you where arsenic and cyanide come from. Cyanide is a naturally occurring chemical compund produced by certain bacteria and plants. Arsenic is element 33 on the Period Table (symbol As) -- You know "mad made", like Iron (Fe), and Oxygen ()), and Sodium (Na). Wow... That's all I can say.

Apparently, I need to clarify that we are interested in fostering organized, civil and intelligent discussion.

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

Dr. Victory. Alert the CDC...they have much better things to worry about. Have you looked into how many patients are in Denver County?? What are the doctors in Denver County saying? Have they alerted the CDC about the "epidemic" that has formed on the front range? Your MD should be impressive, but your close-mindedness on this issue negates all your credibility. At one time in my life, I looked up to doctors too, but in the last 10 years, my confidence in western medicine has disappeared. As you surely know being an MD, Debilitating Chronic Pain comes in all forms. Same with Debilitating Chronic Nausea. Pain and nausea are not very well treated with pharmaceuticals or OTC options. Even a migraine headache or a bout of colitis, when left untreated or treated with worthless medicine from pharmacies, can quickly become debilitating. Some patients would rather have the CHOICE of not resorting to pointless chemicals and see the fantastic healing ability of cannabis. Just because your opinion, as a doctor, is what it is, does not mean 1 in 10 people in our county desiring medical marijuana to treat what they believe is a debilitating condition is some kind of epidemic. I'd like to know how many people out of 10 on average in our community are on anti-depressants and/or mood-stabilizers? Then I would also like to know the correlation between this number the people who have committed suicide locally, recently. I bet those stats would require a call to the CDC also...agree? I would hope that being a doctor and achieving the level of education you have achieved would open your perceptions to the safer and more reliable options, like medical marijuana. If you do not allow your patients this option, you are denying them the possibility of a swifter and more holistic healing path. I am ashamed of you and the majority of America's Medical Professionals.

Continue with your propaganda.....

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Scott Wedel 2 years, 11 months ago

1Campbell, You do not have to keep the evidence and logic of your arguments secret until your meeting.

You want to talk about Steamboat's image? So a street fight fueled by alcohol resulting in a death must have really offended you. How did you respond to that? And the image of a very white with very few blacks resort community putting a Confederate flag on the grave of someone that might have fought in the Civil War must also really bother you. Winter sports already have a hard enough time attracting anyone other that whites and now white guys decide it is appropriate to put a Confederate flag on a grave?

As a group, highly educated, highly skilled people have few issues with medical marijuana. If we want them to come here then we should not even be having this election. We should be showing that we accept a person's decisions to affect their own life and not be looking like a close minded community of meddling nannies.

You think some small company with diverse employees would consider Steamboat to be a welcoming place for their staff?

And marijuana would be okay if legalized, but the step of requiring medical recommendation is so wrong that it destroys everything?

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

Unnamed? Right next to DrGreenGenes is my name, J.J. Southard, Operations Supervisor of Natural Choice.

Arsenic and cynide must be extracted (from their natural sources) and bottled in a laboratory and concetrated to their deadly form. One can not stumble upon it growing in nature and injest it like the bio-terrorism weapon that it is.

Point being, you compared marijuana to a bio-engineered weapon feared to have the ability to secretly and uncontrollably mass murder entire communities.

Marijuana has never killed anyone. Do you see your foolish correlation? Or is it just me and my THC-Infused mentality?

What else ya got for me, Doc?

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

Apparently I need to reiterate also, an organized, civil and intelligent argument does not form from comparing marijuana to arsenic. Am I wrong? Where else can you point out the unintelligent, uncivilized, unorganized aspects of my comments, Doc?

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1999 2 years, 11 months ago

kelly...your ignorance about the advantages (to many) of MMJ is a disgrace to the medical field.

It comes across as more of an objection born from an over inflated ego.

I always assumed Drs looked to and welcomed all kinds of healing oportunities.

Does healing only come from a pharmacy dispensing synthetic drugs?

really? is that what you think?

I' d honestly like a reply.

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

And Over Inflated Ego is a requirement for gaining an MD nowadays it seems..... You graduate med school until you are fully brainwashed, unteachable and 100% full of yourself. Then, they give'em a white coat, a sexy pharmaceutical rep and a pile of pads and pens....sample medicines to try out at home....you name it! Oh the benefits of being an MD!!

oooh wait, and the gifted ability to ignore the long, treacherous list of side-effects that go with every single one of their prescribed wonder-chemicals for pain, nausea, etc....

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Kelly Victory 2 years, 11 months ago

Presumably, you can read: I said "unarmed" -- as in defenseless", not unnamed.

I did not "compare" marijuana to cynaide and arsnic -- The previous writer made to comment that maijauna was made by God, who should be trusted, and therefore implied that marijuana was safer or better than things made by man. My point was that there are many substances that are not "safe" or "healthful" simply because they occur in nature -- cyanide and arsnic being two.

If you would like to attend the meeting on Tuesday, you are welcome, along with anyone else who is interested in discussing the topic that we are presenting, which is the impact, intended or otherwise, of MMJ dispensaries on our community.

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

Oh wait....I misread your words, Doc. You said, unARMED. I don't need to arm myself with anything. The TRUTH speaks for itself.

Should I be ARMING myself for some kind of "battle"? I am not fighting anything.

THE MARIJUANA IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

You, Doc, are fighting a losing battle with the world....let alone our community. The lies that have kept cannabis repressed for this long are fading away. Lies like the ones YOU SPEW, likening the properties of cannabis to the properties of arsenic and cyanide. Thank you for not holding back on showing us your absolute blindness prior to your "meeting".... or is it a "battle".... which is it? Because in the past history of human civilization "battle" may have be 'organized'...but they have never even graced the cover of 'civilized and/or intelligent'.

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

Why would I attend the meeting, Doc? So all your people with all your minds already made up, can say what you want directly to my face?

I want people to vote. I want the honest to God truth be shown in the voting boths. I hope every citizen that can legally vote votes. I hope there are more votes cast in Routt County than ever before. Then I will truly know what the view is of the majority of this community, not just the view of the cops, doctors, school teachers and pharmacists. I want to know the feelings of everyone. And if when all is said and done and the community votes to ban MMC's. I won't be upset. Knowing that it won't change anything regarding the supply of MMJ in our community, I will sit back and think of new ways to offer my services to our community and it won't include back page ADS in the Pilot.

I don't need to capitalize the letters again I don't think, the marijuana is not going anywhere. And it's much easier to grow it and dispense it medicinally without all the regulation that we are currently under. You just wont see it in the paper or hear about business having to deal with it being next door.

Nope, you will just know it there.....still helping people. So, have your meeting. Bicker. Rustle your feathers. Make sure you serve some booze, offer cigarette breaks and don't forget your medical journals and Bibles....because it's gona be a GREAT MEETING.

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Chuck McConnell 2 years, 11 months ago

Has anyone else noticed that the pro-pot blogs have not mentioned the fact that this is a medical marijuana issue? There are many people who oppose marijuana legalization that also believe that if a doctor believes marijuana would truly benefit a patient, they should have the right to prescribe it -- strictly for medical purposes. It is clear the pro-pot cohort are extrapolating this into legalization -- recreational pot is clearly not legal. By the way, marijuana is illegal under federal law. If marijuana proliferates in Routt County we may see the feds. enforce the federal law on the books. This could cost the city and the county untold dollars and grief.

And to go back to 1937 in your arguments, come on! You may not have noticed but no one is arguing reefer madness. The argument is clearly against the illegal use of marijuana with such unintended consequences as impared drivers. Do we really need more impared drivers on the street? To those who bring up the argument that alcohol is legal so why not pot, if you do not like legal alcohol, circulate an amendment banning sale of alcohol.

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Kelly Victory 2 years, 11 months ago

GreenGenes and 1999 -- You have no idea who you are talking to: I just returned from a three day conference with the Dalai Lama on Tibetan Medicine, have made three trips to China exploring traditional Chinese medicine, spent 6 weeks with cultural anthropologists from Harvard in the Brazilian rain forest, working with native Shamen, and lecture annually at the Center for Spirituality and Healing at the Univ. of Minnesota -- I am more well versed, open-minded, experienced and trained in alternative healing therapies than any other western trained physician that I know.

I am a PROPONENT of medical marijuana, when prescribed responsibly and when regulated. I am not a proponent of using a "medical loophole" to allow thousands of people to obtain the substance via a "sham". I have already stated my personal bias that marijuana should be legalized for recreational use and then regluated and tightly controlled like alcohol and tobacco.

You guys are clearly terrified that someone will make a well-reasoned arguement to change the current state of MMJ and MMJ dispensaries in Routt County. Your criticisms of me are so far off base as to be laughable.

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Scott Wedel 2 years, 11 months ago

Dr Kelly Victory, So there is empirical evidence that mmj is being over prescribed compared to the number of expected cases of chronic pain. So what is the harm? It is really worthwhile for the doctor to dispute the patient's claims of chronic pain and deny access to mmj? Considering the very modest harmful effects of mmj then a doctor concerned about the patient's overall health could see a patient using alcohol to self medicate and hope that mmj worked better for that person and cut their alcohol usage.

So what is your position on the well documented over prescription of antibiotics? Cost of that is billions of dollars. So should SB ban doctors from over prescribing antibiotics?

http://icpa4kids.org/Wellness-Research/study-looks-at-over-prescription-of-antibiotics.html A recent study highlights the cultural and economic forces spurring the over-prescription of antibiotic drugs, and the evolution of super-resistant microbes. The report notes that antibiotics cost the U.S. about $15 billion per year. Extra hospital costs associated with drug-resistant hospital-acquired bacterial infections total at least $1.3 billion annually. Of 51 million visits to physicians for "colds," upper-respiratory infections and bronchitis, 50% to 66% resulted in an antibiotic prescription, even though these conditions usually do not require antibiotics. To explain this trend, the study's authors point to direct-to-consumer advertising, consumer demand, a medical training system that puts the least experienced doctors in charge of prescribing drugs and overloaded hospitals.

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Glenn Little II 2 years, 11 months ago

Kelly Victory, you are a founder of an action group which is past it's time.. The groups of medical marijuana patients in Routt county are going to overwhelmingly deny your vote. Opinions only fed by lies and frustration will fill your meeting at the library. Tell the children the truth! Oh and Kelly there is one flaw with this statement> "the fact that it remains illegal (in all forms) based on federal law, and whether or not there are legitimate uses for it beyond recreational (i.e. medical)." Hemp food such as shelled hemp seed is legal for us all to consume and the highest source of protein then any other source in the world ! Traditional Chinese Medicine has been using the hemp seed for more than 2000 years as a healing and tonifying food in treating a number of ailments. Hemp is protein rich, gluten-free food loaded with protein, Omega-fatty acids and fiber. No known allergies exist to hemp foods. This product has only been LEGAL TO PURCHASE in the United States since the industrial Hemp Farming act of 2005 ! So please tell me how this is not a legitimate use beyond recreational..

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

Chuck, nobody want impaired drivers on the road...even with an MMJ Card, a patient is not allowed to drive impaired.

It may get legalized in 2012, we'll see. I am not arguing for recreational use. But, there is value in both realms...medical and recreational. Marijuana exists in Steamboat HEAVILY in both realms... Trying to ban it in the medical realm will do no good. The only entity to benefit from the ban will be the recreational/black market realm.

Somehow explain to me how I am wrong?

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

1Campbell....you say, "I am a PROPONENT of medical marijuana, when prescribed responsibly and when regulated. I am not a proponent of using a "medical loophole" to allow thousands of people to obtain the substance via a "sham". I have already stated my personal bias that marijuana should be legalized for recreational use and then regluated and tightly controlled like alcohol and tobacco."

We are the same page.

You also say, "You guys are clearly terrified that someone will make a well-reasoned arguement to change the current state of MMJ and MMJ dispensaries in Routt County."

I am not sacred at all. The current state may change slightly if MMC's are banned. But the MMJ is not going anywhere, and I will continue dispensing it to patients under my constitition right to do so under Amendment 20. If MMC's are banned you simply ban the Dept. of Revenue's hand in everything, which I would gladly welcome. HB1284 was put in place to to keep MMC's regulated and safe in communities like this with strict guidelines we have no problem adhering to. Having MMC's in town supports a regulated industry. If MMC's get banned, we go back to Amendment 20 with much less regulation.

You also say, "Your criticisms of me are so far off base as to be laughable."

Why did you not start off with some pertinent background info on who you are and how you feel? Just say it....you are more worried about what you think is a farce in the system, which is the dispensaries and the patients who have cards illegitimately....you are also worried about your property values on your, presumably nice home...you would rather not have to listen to all the parents of the kids how are too lazy to explain the truths about marijuana to their kids, even though YOU could help those parents with that dynamic. Am I wrong? Maybe my criticisms of you personally were unfounded, I should criticize more effectively the medical field in America.

I'm done...gotta go eat some food and dispense some medicine. :)

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rhys jones 2 years, 11 months ago

Oh, we're over here, eh? Thanks, Pilot -- Your Opinion was getting stale.

I'd like to see the legal status of mmj change. I had read where there is at least one measure on the upcoming Colorado ballot calling for full legalization, much as Denver currently enjoys. Any of you smart people got better word on that?

Because it it IS legalized, can the dispensaries still be shut down? No sham any more, RMR will be just another store. Not to take this talk off-topic, but the squabble here could soon become moot.

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SMRFF 2 years, 11 months ago

Chuck - So you choose not to support your opinions with empirical evidence and facts, either? C'mon man! Postulating based purely on personal speculation is lazy and robs your arguments of any substance.

You do realize that if Marijuana is legalized for recreational use, it will still be illegal for people to drive impaired, right? Thus, common sense tells us that someone who decides to drive impaired is going to do it whether he obtains the culprit of impairment legally or not.

Not that it's very relevant to the argument, but there have been several studies done concluding that the effects of driving while impaired solely on marijuana are far less dangerous than alcohol and other drugs.

I think some of you good 'ol boys and girls are really reaching for straws here. This has become a debate of opinions vs facts. The facts pertaining to the harmlessness of marijuana, used medicinally or recreationally, are pretty black and white.

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

wow.....upon reading this more closely I stand behind my statement about doctors having HUGE EGOS....

"You have no idea who you are talking to: I just returned from a three day conference with the Dalai Lama on Tibetan Medicine, have made three trips to China exploring traditional Chinese medicine, spent 6 weeks with cultural anthropologists from Harvard in the Brazilian rain forest, working with native Shamen, and lecture annually at the Center for Spirituality and Healing at the Univ. of Minnesota -- I am more well versed, open-minded, experienced and trained in alternative healing therapies than any other western trained physician that I know." - Dr. Victory Local MD Extraordinaire!!

Nobody touches the knowledge of Dr. Victory. Unteachable. Knows it all. Just as I thought.

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Scott Wedel 2 years, 11 months ago

Chuchmc, Dr Victory, MMJ is recognized by both sides as a step towards legalization of marijuana. When the voters of Colorado passed Amendment 20, it was despite opponents arguing that allowing hard to medically document reasons for medical mj then it was, in fact, a de facto legalization of marijuana. The proponents argued it regulated mmj usage and kept it illegal for kids. Well, voters still passed it.

The way Amendment 20 is written, there is no legal interstate commerce of mmj and it is granting citizens additional rights so it is debatable if the feds have jurisdiction if the dispensary is following all of the state laws because the normal means of justifying federal intervention - interstate commerce clause and the equal protection clause, can be argued do not apply.

And if the anti-dispensary campaign is going to be a "mmj is legal and mj should be legal, but too many people are getting mmj instead of legal mj" sort of argument then you are trying to make a distinction that almost no one cares about. If mj should be legal and mmj isn't that horrible, then what is the harm if there are some doctors that are more generous writing recommendations than others? And if there is some harm, then the doctors should be disciplined like other doctors that write unjustified prescription drugs. Banning dispensaries would be like banning pharmacies because some doctors needlessly give out antibiotic prescriptions for patients with colds.

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Glenn Little II 2 years, 11 months ago

~Highwaystar, there are 8 initiatives filed for 2012 ballot consideration regarding Legalization of Marijuana !!! http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2011/05/marijuana_legalization_initiatives_2012_colorado_ballot.php

~DrGreenGenes is correct ban dispensaries and watch the black market marijuana out grow the government.. We must legalize freedom!

~Kelly and Lisa you are the typical American dream who lives and breathes the lies of synthetic companies only to pollute your mind and the world.

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SMRFF 2 years, 11 months ago

Whoa! Chuck, et al, please read - http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/dot78.htm

Of particular note is the following paragraph:

"The city driving study measured the subjects' ability to operate a vehicle in urban traffic. for reasons mentioned in the respective chapter the THC dose in that study was restricted to 100 ug/kg. For comparative purposes another group of subjects was treated with a modest dose of alcohol, producing a mean BAC of about 0.04g%. Results of the study showed that the modest dose of alcohol, but not THC, produced a significant impairment in driving performance, relative to placebo."

There are a lot of words in that report, but it is very interesting.

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Scott Wedel 2 years, 11 months ago

SMRFF, Just out of pure scientific curiosity, I'd love to see a group of mmj patients take their dosage, do a driving test on a parking lot and give an analyzed blood test. From what I can tell, that has not been done.

Placebo is not needed in an impairment study because they are trying to do their best and the drug or alcohol limits their ability to perform.

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rhys jones 2 years, 11 months ago

President Nixon commissioned a panel to study the effects and risks of marijuana -- their finding weren't released until 1976, 2 years after his departure. They found that stoned subjects' motor reflexes, as demonstrated on driving simulators, were as good as, or BETTER THAN, the control group. Significantly so. Their conclusion, at the end of the report, was that the ONLY risk to the marijuana user is his possible arrest and incarceration. This is NIXON's commission!!

The DUI(D) laws, with regards to pot, will evaporate, along with all the other archaic and outdated laws, especially if we vote 'em out.

Skifree -- Right on!! Get out and vote, y'all!!

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SMRFF 2 years, 11 months ago

That would be interesting, Scott. The study I provided is by no means the end all, but it is an example of the several studies that have taken place disproving one of the many myths about marijuana.

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grundy 2 years, 11 months ago

If the proponents of the ban recognize the root problem as mmj being over-prescribed/recommended then wouldn't it make more sense to start an initiative requiring additional regulation over the medical community?

I don't think there's any way to look at this and logically conclude the dispensaries should be held accountable for the prostitution of the amendment, as Dr. Victory so eloquantly describes it. Subsequently, it's difficult to support or respect HAH's position. (Sorry, since there's no name for the coalition yet I just couldn't resist.)

Of course, this approach would lack coherency if it failed to address the over-prescription of pharmaceuticals.

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Chuck McConnell 2 years, 11 months ago

MrGreenGenes Thanks for a thoughtful response to my comments. To be clear, there is a strong case in my mind for legitimate use of MMJ when a Dr. prescribes it to a patient who really needs the treatment. I really do not, however, see any benefit from recreational use. When a person steps away from the smoke, who benefits from getting high except for growers and distributors? Right now, the beneficiaries of pot smoking in the US are Mexican drug cartels and that is not a pretty thing. The cartels are responsible for the murder of literally tens of thousands of their countrymen (men, women and children) to maintain their power. Believe me, if MJ is legalized nationally, the job of growing and distributing will fall on very big corporations who will use their vast financial resources and distribution networks and force out small growers. Those companies would profit greatly. So, I guess the only up side to illegal use of MJ is a short-term escape from reality for the user. The downside is the flow of billions into the Mexican drug lords pockets. As the situation stands right now, the recreational user is supporting those "good 'ol boys" who run the Zetas, et. al. Hmmmmm.

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rhys jones 2 years, 11 months ago

The preponderance of opinion expressed here would seem to indicate that a vote will be just more affirmation of what we have already said at the polls, twice. It's a shame that a few bitter hotheads can force yet another vote on what has now been constitutionally guaranteed. We must defend our rights again.

I'm still hoping another measure on the State ballot will make this squabble moot:

Legalize it.

VOTE!!

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rhys jones 2 years, 11 months ago

And when I am in the right situation, I will grow my own, from some righteous Sinaloan seeds I've been saving, under natural sunlight, so my medicine is free, just the way God intended.

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Chuck McConnell 2 years, 11 months ago

I realize this comment will not change the tenor of these blog exchanges, but here goes. When rational people try to get to a logical solution to an issue of public impact, the best answers are realized when the various proponents use logic, facts and reasoning. I admit to being really old but in my experience, the personal attacks I see here denigrate the writer and do not lead to solutions or consensus.

SMRFF actually did some homework and presented results of a study that he believed lent creditability to his position. My own experience seeing people high on MJ arrested for impared driving tends to contradict the point but his argument contributed to the discussion. (Many users appearantly choose not to follow the limits indicated in the study.) The study results did bring something to the conversation (albeit contridicatory to my own views) -- and were presented in a non-bellicose manner.

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seeuski 2 years, 11 months ago

Come on YVB, you owe me a drink for that line of thought, come on now.

And I warn those posting here that that you better have your stuff down pat before you go up against Dr. Victory, you ain't dealin with some Johnny come lately. And show some respect, this lady actually gives a dam about you turkeys.

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bandmama 2 years, 11 months ago

And just think of all of those pesky stoner young-uns who are/just did/or are going to turn 18 who, instead of voting in their first election for something that pertains to government, they someday will get to tell their kids/grandkids that they got to vote for or against pot!!!!!! Because the government (public) got a little touchy over a medicinal/recreational plant. I find that a little amusing. Will be interesting.

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

Hey seeuski, why are we "going up against" anyone, about anything?? There is nothing left to debate. Dr. Victory and I are on the same page regarding MMJ. But we differ because the doctor claims to be worried about people's health, but really it seems the doc is also worried about Steamboat's property values and the image of this community being effected negatively by the MMJ industry...that "exploded". Really? Exploded? Seriously? Come on now.

Ironically, yvb is right... It sounds outlandish, but to ban MMC's is a pat on the back to the cartels....no doubt about it. In Grand Junction, where the MMC's have recently been banned, I know for a fact, the dealers rolled right back into town. Is that what we want here? Is that what Dr. Victory and Lisa Watts really want?

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sledneck 2 years, 11 months ago

Somebody please tell me that she is not really in the Tea Party... anybody... hello...

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jk 2 years, 11 months ago

JJ, supposedly they want mj to be legalized, so that would mean they are against any cartel involvement. It seems the reason we are 50some deep in this chat is because of their belief that mmj is a "sham" towards legalizing mj.It also seems the mmj group ,although emotionally, has posted studies to back up their stance. Where the pro ban stance comes just from the emotion in their belief the wool is being pulled over everyones eyes. Wow what a waste of time, and fortunately the print being used is all virtual. And with any luck and their votes to leagalize mj rhys' hope that all of this will end up being a moot point, will be true!

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Kelly Victory 2 years, 11 months ago

You guys are awesome! You've worked yourselves into a frothing lather -- all the capitalization, exclamation points and vitriole, and I am still trying to figure out who ever suggested banning medical marijuana? I certainly didn't. Lisa Watts didn't. Who did? Your inability to coherently follow the discusion is both amusing and frightening.

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

1Campbell..... Your group is called Routt County Citizens AGAINST Medical Marijuana. Where is the SUPPORT in that?

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jk 2 years, 11 months ago

You are awesome to Kelly, dancing around the lunacy of fighting against mmj even though you support full legalization makes me want to run right into your office! That is also both frightening and amusing. Good luck with your practice.

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Kelly Victory 2 years, 11 months ago

Dr. Green Genes -- I understand the confusion on your part, as that name was erroneously launched -- As I believe Mike Lawrence from the paper made clear, however, and Lisa Watts reiterated, that is not the name that we intended, speficically because we are not purporting to be "against MMJ" -- As I have articulated over and over again in this discussion -- We want to address the impact that the exposion of the MMJ industry and MMJ dispensaries are having on our community -- in terms of image, economic fall-out, impact on home sales, retail businesses and the medical community. That's how I started my comments this morning, and how I will end them tonight. Have a pleasant evening.

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

And I already posted this on the other more recent cannabis article, but I figure it bears repeating.

Due to a recent suit filed in a US Circuit Court, the United States government might finally be forced to recognize the will of the people. With as many states as there are that currently have medical marijuana legislation, it's not surprising that we've had a petition completed amongst ourselves that aims to re-schedule cannabis altogether.

If any of you prohibitionists are interested in how it's really going to end, here's some bedside reading you can take to; http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/05/medical_marijuana_us_lawsuit.php

And if you want to take a look at a REAL group that's doing some REAL work to change things; http://www.drugscience.org/

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

I see. Those are the reasons to "ban" MMC's?? Interesting. There has been far from an explosion of an MMJ industry in this county. It has been pretty tame considering. There's no way you are going to now blame the economic downturn in our county on MMC's. Organized, intelligent and civilized you will link MMC's to the slump in home sales in our community??

Quote of the day: "If you don't like how I smell, spray some cologne on yourself." - Jerry Garcia.

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1999 2 years, 11 months ago

1campbell talks out of both sides of her mouth.

and her agument revolves around ignorance and ego.

"the drugs I push are better than the drugs you push"

I wounder what the affect of thousands and thousands of people in steamboat hopped up on precriptions drugs is? most...entirely unecessary.

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kevin fisher 2 years, 11 months ago

Dr. Victory-

I tried to stay away but.....You, Miss, must have based your talking points on the ridiculous logic of Ms. Bentley. You both purport to be for the legalization of marijuana, but against the current MMJ paradigm. This is just ridiculous.

How exactly would the community impact be any different? You want tightly regulated markets "like tobacco and alcohol" (btw, right there is the proper use of quotation marks)? You have it now. We operate under 180 pages of regulations. Cameras wired to the state for 24/7 surveillance. Radio tagged plants. Background check for all employees. Limited access areas. Limits on hours of operation. Mandatory credential checks. Audits of all product down to the gram. Etc., etc.

Now- Ever see a cigarette vending machine? Man, those are super-tightly regulated. I mean, I think they only accept U.S. dollars.

I will not buy your b.s. You want MMJ gone, period. You tipped your hand by your name (backtracking aside) and with this one:

"We are not challenging (currently) Amendment 20"

Lady, hands off my body, mind and sovereignty.

Your arguments are those of the straw man. Dollar value and volume are both up in real estate. Last winter was the second most economically lucrative in Steamboat history. We MMC's alone have added over fifty well-paying jobs to the market. Criminal marijuana dealers have been driven from our streets.

There is neither an explosion nor an epidemic. City council has limited the number of MMC's in our burg to three. How many pharmacies are there within city limits Dr.? Hmmmmmnnn.

The simple fact is this and please excuse the caps but:

THE OPPOSITION WANTS TO TAKE AWAY YOUR CONSTITUTIONALLY GRANTED RIGHTS, PEOPLE.

There is not one single, solitary instance anyone can provide where a substance/product is legal to possess but may not be purchased in a retail environment. We are no longer an agrarian society. I don't make my own shoes and sometimes I buy ravioli in a can. And though I have a pretty solid chemistry background, I still buy my ibuprofen OTC.

I have yet to read but one salient, fact-based, study-supported opposition argument. The "I thinks," "I feel" and "look at how many's" don't fly in a constitutional republic. It is a pure shame that the analytical reasoning skills so integral to a medical education are so quickly shelved when emotion enters the fray.

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

Mr. Fisher,

Thank you. Extremely well presented points that I'm sure I couldn't have stated any better myself. Also, thank you for so succinctly expressing the views of our side of the debate. Even if unintended, you end up speaking for me and a great many other cannabis users in a very dignified manner that almost definitely(but not certainly) warrants respect from the other side. Again, thank you.

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SMRFF 2 years, 11 months ago

Right on, Kevin!

With so much access to facts and education pertaining to virtually any topic or issue imaginable, it is mind-boggling to me that people will still staunchly stick to their guns in a debate where their opinions have no basis other than personal preference and perception.

The studies related to MMJ and recreational use of marijuana are black and white. It is not like there are dozens of different ways to interpret the various findings in these studies. Marijuana is safe, effective (for some), light on side effects, and, when used in the privacy of one's dwelling, has no negative impact on others (except, it does stir up anger in a lot of the opponents).

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Chuck McConnell 2 years, 11 months ago

yampavalleyboy -- Today, dealing in MJ is illegal at the federal level. When people buy and sell MJ they send money to the Zetas. Really pretty simple, don't break federal law and you won't support the cartels. What's so hard about that?

Further, there is nothing in the Constitution about marijuana -- I actually checked. By the way, the Constitution does not permit the government to force citizens to purchase anything yet obamacare demands purchase of health care insurance. If you are a strict constitutionalist, get on the anti-obamacare train. Here's how, join the Tea Party!

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Scott Wedel 2 years, 11 months ago

And I am truly surprised that a MD has sincere issues with the number of mmj patients in Routt County.

First, it is not as if a patient walks into a doctor's office with a health issue and the doctor suggests that the patient trying taking some marijuana. And the patient saying "marijuana? never tried it, you think it'll help?" with the doctor saying "Most definitely, I am prescribing mmj for you to deal with your medical issues".

Second, it is not as if person whom has never used marijuana decides to start using by going to a doctor to get a recommendation. To the extent that recreational users manage to get mmj from a dispensary, it is current users getting it legally instead of illegally.

In this environment, a doctor can be confident of acting according to the Hippocratic Oath and helping their patients by giving them mmj recommendations because it is better than the alternatives.

Certainly, a doctor such as Dr Victory that can make so many distinctions regarding mmj can recognize the distinctions made by doctors that recommend mmj to patients.

And Kevin Fisher should talk with Mr Scott Ford to figure out how to put in the numbers for his and other dispensaries and determine the overall economic impact. His employees spend money at other businesses in town and so on. He can probably claim to be the difference that has caused this county to add some jobs over the past year instead of continuing the downward spiral.

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

chuckmc-

It would interesting to see where you get your information pertaining to the "Zetas," and how much you perceive that they're profiting from all of the cannabis that's being bought & sold, especially in this area. As far as I am aware of, there is absolutely ZERO product available at any local dispensary that came from any cartel, including the Zetas. This is something that would be a heck of a lot more relevant if were pertaining to fact.

As for the Constitution reference, I believe that they were referring to the Constitution of this state. Colorado is the only state in this bless-ed Union that has marijuana legislation in our State Constitution. Most of us know it as Amendment 20.

However, this is all very entertaining. So, if there are any more assumptions, or misleadings, that you have about cannabis, please let us know. We're always happy to tell people the truth.

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JJ Southard 2 years, 11 months ago

mmj22, no love? LOL....kidding...I've just been barking for days now you show up, been waitin for you. And, also, thanks for chiming in Kevin...I needed that, I was running out of steam.

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mtnlvng 2 years, 11 months ago

There are intelligent individuals on both sides of this issue, conversely, some element of unintelligent and uninformed on both sides. I can understand there are pros and cons to almost every legalized medicine. MMJ no exception. BUT it is not the “cure-all” perfectly harmless drug that some want to believe. Lesser than evils MAYBE! Why are some of the more vocal proponents avoiding the overall picture and apparently resistant to hearing the “other” side of the issue?
I’m not the only person that thinks there are VALID problems and concern. LEGALIZATION vs EXPLOITATION. This business of selling pot in our community IS being exploited by many people who do not have a legitimate medical purpose for the drug. The over- the- top print and radio advertisements the least of the problem. There is a contrast between those who vehemently support the distribution of marijuana using the legalization loophole and those who clearly benefit from the medicinal attributes of the substance. My opinion is SOME of the proponents sound like drug addicts. When you come between an addict and his/her drug be prepared to pay the price. Be prepared for the lack of respectful, intelligent conversation. If marijuana were being dispensed like any other "legal prescription" and treated accordingly there would not be the mixed messages between medical purposes and recreational uses. I am personally tired of the cheech and chong approach to a medicinal product that should not be ingested by certain individuals. I hate to pull the ‘child’ card but YES our children are confused, as am I. There are lots of signs of misuse and exploitation of this legalized substance. SOME marijuana dispensaries are indeed exploiting the situation. I’m appreciative when I see one or two dispensaries with a professional and less exploitive approach. Our community gains no social benefit from having medical marijuana exploited. I do hope someone can do something to bring an intelligent, respectful voice of reason to the debate. Less cognitive impaired responses are not going to contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. We get it: it’s legal – now hope you get it: it’s being exploited and there are some serious consequences.

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StopTheBrutalChemtrails 2 years, 11 months ago

Come on people, snap out of it. If you really want to oppose something that's worth the effort of opposing...

Dr. Paul Connett, Professor of Chemistry at St. Lawrence University in New York, and the Executive Director of the Fluoride Action Network, is largely responsible for raising awareness to the dangers of fluoride in Canada. Earlier this year, the Calgary city council voted 10-3 to remove the toxic substance from the city’s drinking water. Connett is attempting to repeat this success elsewhere in Canada as well as in Austin, Australia, and New Zealand.

In addition to dental fluorosis, the irreversible condition caused by excessive ingestion of fluoride during the tooth forming years, numerous studies have conclusively demonstrated that fluoride is responsible for a number of serious diseases – including bone cancer, arthritis, lower thyroid function, and disruption of the pineal gland and its production of melatonin, a hormone that helps regulate the onset of puberty. Alex noted studies revealing how fluoride is responsible for the early onset of puberty in girls and effeminacy in boys.

Dr. Connett also mentioned recent studies that prove fluoride’s primary and sole benefit to teeth comes from topical application to the surfaces of teeth and not from ingestion through water and food. The dental research community now admits that fluoride has little effect on preventing cavities in the pits and fissures – the chewing surfaces – of teeth where the majority of tooth decay occurs. In short, there is absolutely no dental benefit, as often claimed, when fluoride is ingested.

“Deadly Fluoride: Hoax on the Run!” is an excellent primer on the numerous dangers of fluoride. It also provides an update on anti-fluoride activism and the ongoing effort to have it removed from water systems, food, and most perniciously from baby dietary products.

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

JJ- You know I've got love. Please forgive me for not dropping some props your way when I was applauding Kevin. You and I know that we're both on the same page on this whole thing and I proudly stand side by side with you, and the rest of us, in this fight for our freedoms. I got in on the onset of this comment board yesterday morning and then out of no-where the number of comments on this article shot through the roof. I tried to keep pace with what was being said, and I think I got most of it, but I'm sure I missed something in that deluge of opinions. I'm just glad that there's so many of us to make sure that all of the bases get covered.

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

mtnlvng-

Allow me to address some of your points, if I may.

"Why are some of the more vocal proponents avoiding the overall picture and apparently resistant to hearing the “other” side of the issue? "

Who exactly are the allegedly guilty parties here? Personally, I love hearing the other side of the debate because it gives me an opportunity to dispel any of the countless myths/misunderstandings/lies that so many people still believe about cannabis. And on occasion, it can be somewhat humorous. What is the overall picture that we're allegedly missing? I think that both sides even have their own version of what the "overall picture" looks like. For your side, it would appear that you perceive some great threat from cannabis and you have somehow been persuaded into believing that cannabis is wreaking great harm at every turn. You think that cannabis is finding its way to your children easier and none of you want to expose your children to the realities(truth) of cannabis. And, of coarse, what would the naysayers' viewpoint be without making sure to take a jab or two at how high we must all be right now. Ha ha...we get it; you know we use cannabis. For most of us, the overall picture looks like an unjust/wrong/corrupt industry(prosecution/imprisonment/fining) has been erected around lies/fear-mongering/racism that was spawned in the 1930's by industrialists. To us, none of the current anti-cannabis legislation that exists has a leg to stand on from the word go. None of us can justify or understand how the prohibition of cannabis is any different/better than the prohibition of alcohol. In fact, most of us understand that alcohol is a much deadlier force on this planet than cannabis(which has 0 deaths from having too much of it).

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

....cont'd

"I’m not the only person that thinks there are VALID problems.... // ....a legitimate medical purpose for the drug. The over- the- top print and radio advertisements the least of the problem. "

I would have to disagree. I would have to say that most of the naysayers have a huge problem with the amount of publicity that cannabis has been getting lately. Actually, if certain ads weren't bombarding the airwaves and certain cover photos weren't chosen for our local paper, I would venture a guess that there would have been much less upheaval from the prohibitionists. I'm almost certain of that. However, I can't totally disagree with them on this point. I, too, hold the view that the Cheech&Chong ads are not only unnecessary, but highly detrimental to our overall cause. There is zero respect to be garnished from running audible or visual advertising like that, but far be it from me to take their right to run those disappointing ads away from them.

It is my greatest desire to fight for our freedoms. I think that everyone should have as much freedom as they can responsibly handle up until the point where they start imposing their freedom(s) on others. Take your freedom of speech and protest our cannabis use until you're blue in the face, that's fine. But don't think for a minute that a one of us will stand idly by while someone tries to take away, or impede upon, our freedom to use cannabis while we're not harming a soul.

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

And Chemtrails-

We need to get you your own "save the planet" comment board where you can just go ape $#!+ all over the place.

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

As a not so minor side-note, maybe we need to take a further look at the effects of the war on drugs. Maybe 60 shots fired into a 26 year-old former Marine by a SWAT team at 9:30 in the morning is justice to some of you. But, as the article states, there was NOTHING found in this young man's home besides his newly widowed wife and his newly orphaned son.

I sure hope that this kind of 'justice' never finds its way into this county.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867020.html

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rhys jones 2 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for showing up and carrying the ball for me, mmj!! Welcome back. I was busy doing my nerd thing, had to duck out for a while. I see there is not much to add to this discussion, except, I never met a doctor who didn't think they were God. That's why I stay away as much as possible. JJ, Kevin, all you guys -- we're on the same page.

Let's just hope we get to vote on TWO measures -- mmc's, and full legalization. Left, right, the old laws are down and out, and the people have spoken!! VOTE!!

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steamboatsmile 2 years, 11 months ago

I don't normally post on these, but i could not resist anymore.

Lisa, you are ill informed and continue to stereotype (ie. your constant reference to 'stoners'). I think you would be shocked at how many 'stoners' are productive, working class and are at the polls when elections are held. It's amazing how much 'hatred' you seem to have for the dispensaries. How will you like them when people who do carry a medical marijuana card show up to next door to purchase their goods? By banning the dispensaries, you accomplish just that.

You have stated on other posts your children are educated and are just as disgusted as you. I have to wonder what you tell your children about the bars located on every block of downtown Lincoln from 5th street on the 10th street... and i'm not talking about one bar, but many. Or what do you tell your children about the suicide rate in Steamboat and how many of those are directly linked to alcohol or prescription drugs? I lost 2 friends over the summer. Or what do you tell your children on the full page ads advertising alcohol in the Pilot?

I agree with you that one dispensary does seem to take advertising over the top, unfortunately, this dispensary is not within city limits and will not be affected by the 'city ban' you seek.

As our city councit member said best "it's not about prohibition, it's about education". You may not agree with the dispensaries business model and you may be disgusted by how it is 'negatively' affected our town, but our three dispensaries are running a legtimate business. Kids will not be able to access pot from these dispensaries. Let's gauge the 'lodging barometer' this winter and verify we are down because of these dispensaries. It's funny, i work in a restaurant part time and last winter was an outstanding year for the business.. and i believe those pesky dispensaries were open for business.

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

rhys- Not to be a jerk or anything, but there's no need for the thanks. I carry the ball for the cause, not for any person. And "Welcome back?" It's not like I just showed up out of nowhere. I was the fourth person to comment on this article and I haven't missed a day commenting on this article since.

But for whatever it's worth, ....you're welcome?

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 11 months ago

I guess all of the naysayers took Memorial Day weekend off from commenting?

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rhys jones 2 years, 10 months ago

yvb -- You are lucky indeed your father is still with us; treasure him. I lost my own to asbestos a few years back, otherwise he'd be 87 now, also a WWII vet. It's his estimating system I have automated, and market on the Internet, so he lives on in code, at least.

While not a Marine -- Dad was in the Navy -- he often landed with the first Marine waves to set up communications to the ship. Saipan, Tinian, Kwajalain, maybe Okinawa, I forget. He was wounded and sent to a hospital in Glenwood Springs, where he met my Mom, a nurse there.

This Marine's Far East tour was far different than either of theirs. To all Jarheads, Medics, and anybody else who hangs out with them: Semper Fi!!

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mmjPatient22 2 years, 10 months ago

I guess the naysayers are all still on vacation? Long, long weekend?

Maybe they're all busy working on the name of their group?

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