County Commissioners vote to ban new medical marijuana dispensaries

County will put fate of existing Aloha's dispensary to voters

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Wording of the approved resolution:

A resolution of the Board of County Commissioners of Routt County, Colorado prohibiting the establishment or operation of new medical marijuana centers, medical marijuana optional premises cultivation operations, and medical marijuana-infused products manufacturers in the unincorporated areas of Routt County except as provided herein and establishing specific standards for license issuance to existing medical marijuana centers and medical marijuana option premises cultivation operations and reserving authority to extend, modify or remove the prohibitions and standards for license issuance set forth herein.

— The Routt County Board of Commissioners on Tuesday voted to ban all new medical marijuana dispensaries, grow operations and infused-product makers in unincorporated areas of the county.

“Given what we have here now, and the situation we find ourselves in in Routt County, the ban on new establishments is quite appropriate,” Commissioner Diane Mitsch Bush said.

The ban will not affect Aloha’s, a dispensary that operates in Milner. The commissioners will instead have voters decide the business’ fate this fall at the ballot box.

At Tuesday night’s public meeting at the historic Routt County Courthouse, commissioners said concerns about the drug’s accessibility to children and the state’s regulation of dispensaries prompted the ban. Commissioners also questioned whether they should allow an activity in the county that is still considered illegal by the federal government.

Mitsch Bush said that legitimate medical marijuana cardholders who rely on the drug to ease pain would still be able to grow it at home or seek it out from another jurisdiction.

The commissioners then voted to draft a ballot question that will ask voters in November whether to close Aloha’s. Commissioner Nancy Stahoviak, who participated in the meeting via telephone, said she would have preferred to ban Aloha’s instead of “grandfathering” it in their approved resolution banning dispensaries.

“I have a huge concern about that existing operation and the state’s ability to monitor it,” she said. “I would like to include the ban of existing operations (in our resolution) because it has no constitutional right to be there, and that would be the right thing to do.”

Commissioners approved a conditional land-use application for Aloha’s in May and defended themselves against accusations from members of the public who said Tuesday that the governing board had made a mistake in allowing the dispensary to open.

“We as commissioners had no ability to ban it,” Stahoviak said. “But now we do have a state statute that allows us to ban it, so times are different now.”

The commissioners required the dispensary to make 17 changes to its facility before it opened, transforming it from a residential to a commercial building. After Aloha’s opened, the county imposed a moratorium prohibiting new dispensaries. In addition to Aloha’s, three medical marijuana dispensaries have operated in Steamboat since 2009, and one operates in Oak Creek.

Aloha’s was in the crosshairs of several community members who attended Tuesday’s meeting.

“To not close Aloha’s with this vote would be in my view a very destructive mistake for the future of our county,” said resident Lisa Watts, who helped start a community group that opposes local medical marijuana businesses. Watts said it would be her top priority to “unify people who are concerned about the establishment of medical marijuana dispensaries.”

“I believe we’ll have the votes (to close Aloha’s),” she said.

Aloha’s owner Chris Ward said after the meeting that he wasn’t so sure.

“If it does go to a ballot, I think that we’ll be OK,” he said. “We’ll campaign pretty hard to be able to stay open.”

Ward said he was consulting with his attorney to verify whether the commissioners can place the question on a ballot without first receiving signatures from a community initiative. He estimates that his dispensary has served at least 750 medical marijuana patients since it opened.

Routt County resident Dr. Kelly Victory, one of 20 community members who attended Tuesday’s meeting, said the commissioners’ ban on new dispensaries in the county was a step in the right direction.

“This is a first step into rectifying the situation that was created here out of the misapplication of Amendment 20,” said Victory, who like Watts is a leader of the community group opposing dispensaries. “Routt County needs to stand firm in supporting only the legal medicinal use of marijuana.”

Colorado voters approved the use of marijuana for certain medical conditions with a doctor’s recommendation in 2000 by voting in favor of Amendment 20. The constitutional amendment was supported by a majority of Routt County voters.

The commissioners voted to approve the ban instead of extending the county’s current moratorium that disallows the establishment of new dispensaries, saying the moratorium permits dispensaries that are closed by cities to legally relocate to unincorporated areas of the county.

— To reach Scott Franz, call 871-4210 or email ScottFranz@SteamboatToday.com

Comments

Scott Wedel 3 years, 6 months ago

So what will we be voting on this November? Easy enough to understand that all MMJ including Aloha's existing business will be banned if it passes. But what if it fails? Is just Aloha's allowed to stay open or would the moratorium be lifted and potentially other MMJ dispensaries could be opened?

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Lisa Watts 3 years, 6 months ago

On The Record:

Kevin Fisher, (City Council Meeting June 7) 1500 patients Chris Ward, (above) 750 patients

Total 2250. With just 2 shops reporting.

Licensed "medical" marijuana card holders according to the State of Colorado for Routt County 1143

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 6 months ago

Lisa-

And you're assuming that Routt county mmj cardholders are the only ones allowed to go to Routt county dispensaries?

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sledneck 3 years, 6 months ago

Not one person who smokes weed will stop because of any of this. Not one.

In its attempt to do what it thinks is "good" the commissioners have really only done 2 things: 1) Pushed more pot underground thereby fueling the black market. and 2) Given one business an absolute monopoly. Both things are exactly what governments are supposed to guard AGAINST. Pitiful.

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kevin fisher 3 years, 6 months ago

Ms. "Watt's"-

Your insinuation that we have served non-cardholders is offensive. mmjPatient22 has it right. There are 123,890 cardholders in the state. We are a tourist town. Apply those impressive powers of deduction here.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 6 months ago

Lisa, Chris Ward did not say he was the designated caregiver for 750 patients, but that he had served 750 patients. Those patients could be from Moffat county or people on vacation. Comparing number of patients served to number of patients in Routt County is like comparing the number of people that showed up for a meeting and projecting the election results - completely stupid.

It is no longer clear that Colorado MMJ dispensaries and so on violate Federal Law because HR 1284 tightly regulates the business from seed to dispensary to patient that a dispensary following state law can demonstrate that it has no interstate commerce and thus the Feds have no jurisdiction.

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Glenn Little II 3 years, 6 months ago

Yeah Ms. Watts Check yourself before you wreck yourself !

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lessworkmoreskiing 3 years, 6 months ago

Does anyone know what time the meeting is for banning alcohol and tobacco dispensaries? Oh wait, there isn't one?
OK, well those products must be safe and not a worry for our community and children. Glad we are going to try and ban MMJ, because that stuff is dangerous!

It will never pass in this town - sorry Lisa, but you won't be getting your way!

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Troutguy 3 years, 6 months ago

Ignorance is bliss. Did the commissioners rent Reefer Madness and watch it before they took the vote?
If this vote actually wins and bans dispenseries, I think we need to take the next step down the road to inflicting our moral superiority on the masses and vote to ban liquor stores, cigarette sales, and most importantly, pharmacies.
And a question to Commish Diane Mitsch Bush - What exactly do you mean in your quote "Given what we have here now, and the situation we find ourselves in in Routt County, the ban on new establishments is quite appropriate". What situation?? Why is a total ban appropriate?? Please explain, cuz I just can't wrap my mind around what exactly is the problem. What a great idea in a bad economy. Close down legitimate, tax paying, worker hiring, empty wherehouse renting businesses.
Is our society crumbling around us because of MMJ?

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 6 months ago

There is a logic behind the County banning new dispensaries because county is the rural areas between the cities and it makes more sense to locate the dispensaries in the cities than rural areas.

I am told that with the new rules of HR 1284 that North Routt has too few patients to consider opening a dispensary up there. So there is no county administered population centers that could plausibly support a dispensary. Thus, only reason for a dispensary in the county now would be to circumvent a city's rules and have one nearby in the county.

In a sense, it is like banning any Home Depots i the county - the County isn't really saying Home Depot is bad, just that it should be located in one of the cities in the county because the one thing they do not want is a Home Depot located in the county just outside of SB city limits.

So anyway, back to my original question - will the vote overturn the county mmj ban or allow Aloha's while keeping the ban?

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scott selby 3 years, 6 months ago

@ Scott Wedell "The commissioners then voted to draft a ballot question that will ask voters in November whether to close Aloha’s. " The ban is in place. The commissioners decided that. The question will be whether or not Aloha's is able to continue to operate. That's it.

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lessworkmoreskiing 3 years, 6 months ago

It's too bad everyone has to be so critical and upset with Alohas. They are a legitimate business trying to make a profit like any other business in this town/country. Successful businesses often do lots of advertising, he is doing just that. Yeah it might be in your face, but that is the goal of advertising; for you to look at it and react to it and know that businesses name in your head all the time. Not everyone is going to like you, that's business and life. Go pick up a Westword in Denver and look at all the MMJ ads in there. Why no crying about that stuff? They are other legitimate companies advertising so that you come in. Yeah if you are not an MMJ patient, the Aloha's ads might hurt your feelings. I would say they have done well for themselves... their name sure does come up a lot.

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rhys jones 3 years, 6 months ago

I attended that meeting, and it was a joke. More like a meeting of the Lisa/Kelly club, complete with Maynard and everybody. Every naysayer in Routt was there, all 19 of 'em, and me. (I didn't recognize a couple of also-silents, I'll admit). Nobody questioned the dubious and highly suspect statistics which were floated freely. The commissioners appeared sympathetic with the heartfelt pleadings, many of which drew applause. If I thought, for one minute, that the crowd there represented a typical cross-section of Routt County, you would not be troubled with my drivel much longer; I'd be gone already. Fortunately more rational environments were just a short walk away, and once public comment was over, I chose to relocate to one of these. I will not degrade this discussion with a dissection of any of the statistics quoted last night; suffice it to say, some were ludicrous.

I'm actually relieved that they decided to put Aloha's to a vote -- many present were calling for its removal, now. Credit the commissioners, for not being so heavy-handed as to bow to this crowd of hotheads. They did the same thing the city did, schedule it for a vote. A rational compromise. Don't worry about these meetings, kids, but don't forget to register to vote, then DO IT!!

I was especially enlightened by Dr. Victory's comment, shortly after conceding that there might indeed be legitimate medical uses for marijuana, "it should be a last resort." It seems the good Doctor would rather have you die from liver cancer, having run the gamut of the AMA's menu, much like my brother did, at 48. No thanks, Doc, you can keep your poisons. The shotguns you (could) prescribe may hit their intended target, but what else do they hit along the way? I still suspect there is drug money behind your drive, legal and very controlled substances. They don't care how much Steamboat makes off pot; they just care how much they lose.

And now we should consider the power of the ballot. Those can work both ways. I would suggest that one of more legal-savvy contributors to this forum, who may want to contribute some of their time, I will do the same, to help you, and I can do some legal research for you. We shouldn't challenge the county commissioners with a stay on their ballot questions or recent rulings; we shouldn't waste the taxpayers' money in defense of us. We should, however, consider circulating a petition of our own, calling for outright legalization of small amounts of marijuana, much like Denver and Breck have, or make it the lowest priority; here I need help. Then I'll stand outside City Market and Safeway and get our signatures. But the right-worded petition, turns into a referendum, turns into a law. That's what makes America beautiful!!

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SMRFF 3 years, 6 months ago

Rhys - I would actually love to hear some of the stats floated last night if you get the time.

The "last resort" comment is puzzling. I think it's just one of those things where her head is either so far buried in the sand or there is some sort of hidden agenda that no amount of facts contradicting her position will sway her.

Last resort should be the highly addictive, potentially fatal narcotics like Oxycontin and Fentanyl. In fact, MMJ could and should be a first resort since it doesn't carry with it any of the harmful, potentially fatal, side effects like Ibuprofen - stomach bleeding; or tylenol - liver failure.

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rhys jones 3 years, 6 months ago

SMRFF -- Yeah the "last resort" comment was telling. The only rationale I can supply for the passion in the argument, combined with the flimsy excuse -- perceived abuses of the system -- would be monetary motivations. Walgreen's or somebody in drugs is floating Kelly's boat, would be my bet.

Any stats I quote are subject to correction; I wasn't taking notes. But one I found interesting was how there was something like a 9% increase in high-school seniors "lifetime use" which somehow implied there are 9% more seniors who have been smoking their whole lives than before, whereas I think just once qualifies. Somebody else cited a rise in accidents and mental issues because of pot, both claims patently false and not grounded in fact whatsoever. Only recently has marijuana's positive effects with neural disorders become known, casting serious doubt on the latter claim.

It was curious that the one statistic not mentioned was how much money the city of Steamboat Springs makes every month, in taxes and fees, from the dispensaries. All these movements will do, if successful, is push the business back underground, fully legal now, the city is just out of the loop. It'll be available in a hundred places, not three. You name the tune; I'll sing along.

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beverly lemons 3 years, 6 months ago

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rhys jones 3 years, 6 months ago

Two quick asides:

As I sat through that meeting, I too almost bought into the line that it should be for medicinal purposes only, not recreational, and only certain debilitating conditions qualify. It almost made sense, then I realized: That's awful arrogant of you, to tell me what hurts and what makes me feel better. Do I complain when you have a glass of wine? And when I am confronted with a technical challenge, such as I am now with some graphs for my website, I want as many synapses open as possible, it really assists in the endeavor. No person or law in the land will change that. That's a legitimate use, I believe. And I don't care what you think.

The other point I thought of, when considering the higher-accident stat quoted, was a little informal survey I've got going on. When I see a DUI(D) in the paper, I also look for the probable cause leading to the stop, and too often it's a burnt-out taillight. They weren't driving bad; they just had "probable cause" for the stop. Just thought I'd throw another log on the fire here...

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 5 months ago

And as for stoking the metaphorical fire, how about Congressman Paul & Congressman Frank today? What a couple of great guys! One of 'em ought to run for President or something.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/lawmakers-introduce-bill-legalize-marijuana-225335489.html

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JJ Southard 3 years, 5 months ago

Thanks baddove, I've tried a number of times to say all that stuff to these folks. But some just still don't get it.

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dsuccess 3 years, 5 months ago

This really is yet another example of why the federal government needs to clarify its position on medical marijuana, pronto. Individual communities are being torn apart on the issue because no one seems to know what's going on, what's legal and what's acceptable. Whether your support medical marijuana or don't, it is in the best interests of everyone for the government to come out with a clear position on states that have voted to allow it. Chris, Dispensary Business News

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 5 months ago

dsuccess-

Congressman Barnie Frank and Congressman Ron Paul have ventured forth with a very respectable piece of legislation that aims to accomplish just that. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/lawmakers-introduce-bill-legalize-marijuana-225335489.html

In fact, people have even recently sued the federal government towards that end. http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/05/medical_marijuana_us_lawsuit.php

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Duster 3 years, 5 months ago

You should all feel ashamed of yourself. You are making a mockery of individuals that are going through terminal illnesses. Because of your stupidity to legalize MJ you are putting these individuals through more pain and suffering. If you want to legalize it then address it straightforward. But you won't because you know it will not pass. Instead you jump on the bandwagon of real patients in real need. Just another drug addict holding up a pharmacy

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Duster 3 years, 5 months ago

Pothead you should keep listening to old Barney. It's great that he can keep an eye on all those financial institutions and still get his partner a job. I mean come-on, you seem to be well read, but maybe your just a paid blogger for the businesses hoping to score big by selling MMJ to everybody and their brother. MMJ was approved in the hope it would alleviate the pain and suffering of truly legitimate patients suffering form terminal illnesses. Some of these patients could not tolerate any other drugs or their body stopped responding because of the ever increasing dosage. If you have a little back pain or your elbow tightens up take some aspirin.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 5 months ago

Duster-

Why don't you take your self-righteous attitude somewhere where the people think about things a little less than most of us do.

Must be nice to be so perfect.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 5 months ago

Alright, I almost let it go but it was too much to resist.

Just who in the blibbidy-blabbidy do you think you are to be able to tell anyone else what they should stick in their body when their back hurts? I'm sure it's just that good 'ol boy mentality of "tough it out, wussy," but what a bunch of arrogance to assume that you have any right to tell anyone what to do to their body, with regard to medicine and caring for their body. I'm no psychic but I'm pretty sure you're not a doctor of any kind. Neither am I and I subsequently refrain from telling people how to handle their bodies.

But you must be automatically better than all of us lowly cannabis users simply on the grounds that you don't use cannabis. Whatever floats your boat man.

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Duster 3 years, 5 months ago

Gosh I hope nobody tries to go into a doctors office and videotapes the interaction for the prescription part. It would be terrible for someone who is not in pain to be misdiagnosed and have a MMJ prescription written. Maybe a review of the Doctors who are prescribing these to the patients should be conducted. Heaven forbid if they find the majority of prescriptions were centered in a few select medical professionals. I think each doctor has agreed to a higher oath to do no harm to patients. Pothead...that would be the HIPPOCRATIC OATH.(big word but you can google it).Doctors who prescribe incorrect medicine which harms the patients can loose their license....off course that only matters if they aren't in the pocket of the MMJ dispensary.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 5 months ago

Videotape the doctors visit?

Can we send a camera crew with you to your next colon exam?

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Duster 3 years, 5 months ago

Laugh all you want Pothead. Lets see it on CNN and we will find out whose laughing. It certainly wont be that former doctor or the insurance company that provides his malpractice insurance.

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Duster 3 years, 5 months ago

If your an addict you should get some help......Why don't you call your health care providers hotline and see if you can go to rehab....I mean heck everyone should be allowed to SELF MEDICATE themselves.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 5 months ago

All I was pointing out is how much it is none of your business what any of us choose to do with our bodies. Our health is none of your business, just as your health is absolutely none of our business.

But now that you mention it, I think I will have a good laugh at your ideas though.

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Glenn Little II 3 years, 5 months ago

Duster why don't you dust that crack rock you have been smoking right off your shoulder and realize that aspirin kills more people then marijuana ever has.. If you were not aware Lisa Watts is totally for legalization buddy. So if you want to join there group the I hate citizens who use marijuana in Routt county I am sure it's not too late. Plus the medicine here can only help the patient, side effects are getting the munchies and falling asleep. Which I am about to feel the full effect of.

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Duster 3 years, 5 months ago

Skif, I'm glad you can fall asleep. I hate the thought of you getting behind the wheel to drive to the store for your munchies. Just the thought of all those innocent people that you might injure brings tears to my eyes. you should just stay home.....FOREVER

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Glenn Little II 3 years, 5 months ago

Going out to medicate hang on don't let the duster blow away..

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 5 months ago

Duster-

You just go ahead and keep shining up that image of how righteous and awesome all of the cannabis haters truly are. Bang up job. I'm sure Lisa & Kelly are so proud of you.

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Glenn Little II 3 years, 5 months ago

Hey Duster, now I believe you have officially offended me brotha ! I would just like to inform you that my father was killed 5 days before I was born. Hit head on while driving his brand new Harley- Davidson by a 19 year old drunk driver. As a result I do not drink alcohol and I am strongly against drinking and driving for this reason! Living in this town I have seen many of my friends sucumbe to drugs and alcohol and it's is truly saddening to see such unique individuals become wastoids. I repeat I do not drink alchohol, working at a restaurants made me never want to work around alcoholics or the food industry again. Due to morals and un-sanitary conditions.. I can say how much drug usage I have seen in the bars around Steamboat in the past 10 years (excluding marijuana) makes me sick to my stomach I live in a town like this. How many people have to ruin the natural beauty of this valley and take it for granite. Keep going out and getting wasted and talk about how good you are at snowboarding.. I live my dreams and choose to live my own life such as you should do. Just talking negatively to others will never get you anywhere in life. Sorry that you can't handle someone being so kind to help spread the good word of a plant.

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Glenn Little II 3 years, 5 months ago

Hey Duster, now I believe you have officially offended me brotha ! I would just like to inform you that my father was killed 5 days before I was born. Hit head on while driving his brand new Harley- Davidson by a 19 year old drunk driver. As a result I do not drink alcohol and I am strongly against drinking and driving for this reason! Living in this town I have seen many of my friends sucumbe to drugs and alcohol and it's is truly saddening to see such unique individuals become wastoids. I repeat I do not drink alchohol, working at restaurants made me never want to work around alcoholics or the food industry again. Due to morals and un-sanitary conditions.. I can say how much drug usage I have seen in the bars around Steamboat in the past 10 years (excluding marijuana) makes me sick to my stomach I live in a town like this. How many people have to ruin the natural beauty of this valley and take it for granite. Keep going out and getting wasted and talk about how good you are at snowboarding.. I live my dreams and choose to live my own life such as you should do. Just talking negatively to others will never get you anywhere in life. Sorry that you can't handle someone being so kind to help spread the good word of a plant.

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chickadee 3 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, alot of people do take it for granite (sic).

NOBODY wants to buy a house that is lacking in high priced slabs. I certainly would not want to live without them. They are so pretty! There is still a lot of natural beauty in this valley-- have you seen some of the granite formations in kitchens and bathroom that look like flowing rivers of natural glitter?

Just being so kind as to help spread the good word of (ahem) a natural stone.

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bill schurman 3 years, 5 months ago

HYSTERIA sweeps the valley!!!!!!! Boy the crazies have been active. Even those right-wing activists Republicans, George Schultz & Paul Volker are speaking out!! No wait, as members of the Global Commission on Drug Policy they SUPPORT the legalization of marijuana!?!? What on earth, have they been inhaling?? So let me understand what the crazies want to REALLY accomplish: ban all MJ in Steamboat AND Routt County. That's right folks no more evil weed in this here valley. Let's return to the days of yesteryear when there was no evil MJ in this here valley. Ah, those potheads that I represented really did NOT possess, grow, distribute MJ because there was none to be found in this valley.Boy did the prosecutor pull a fast one on me.I should have inhaled/smelled the "stuff" and found out that it was really oregano. But wait, cardholders can grow their own? Boy I'll bet there will be a "land office" rush to get the cards.Good prospect for doctors to make a buck. Are you with me Doctor ??Then we'll need hundreds if not thousands of "inspection police" to insure that each and every card holder is not exceeding their plant limit. And, we'll need additional cops to ensure that the card holders are not selling/giving away their wares. Where will all this $$ come from ?? Tax the cardholders from exercising their constitutional right?? Nah, not a legal chance. Oh, and might the outside dealers/gangs come to our fair valley to supply the evil weed?? Let's cut "um off at the pass". Thus, even more cops. Cops cops everywhere.

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Duster 3 years, 5 months ago

ExPub we don't need a lot of cops just good 'ol government intervention. the same stuff your seeing here. The community doesn't like the idea of having unregulated POTHEADS in the community. The community wants more regulation. It should be nationalized and administered by professionals who know what they are doing. Not a bunch of has been POTHEADS who have been smoking it for years and think they know what is best for the user and the community. Yeah it's real legit for someone who really needs it to go to a dispensary and get the same advise as they would at the drug store.....Yeah just put it in the bong and continue inhaling until you pass out. Self medicate yourself every 30 minutes. How legitimate is that for the real patients who could benefit from it. If your goal is to legalize pot stop hiding behind the curtain and proclaim it. Use the legal system to get it done. Good luck

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bill schurman 3 years, 5 months ago

Yo, DUSTER

I understand that it is okay to have dispensaries?? But just for the sick and Not POTHEADS ?? Who determines that? A Doctor? Guess what, you already need a Doctor's approval!! You want me to say "legalize MJ"? OKAY, LEGALIZE IT. Now I'm "out of the curtain".

BTW: why be anonymous?

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bill schurman 3 years, 5 months ago

Reefer Madness should be REQUIRED viewing from K-12. Each & every year.

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Duster 3 years, 5 months ago

EXPUB, great then you and Pothead and Skif can start your own blog and see if you can get that passed. This blog is for MMJ for terminally ill patients. If you have a bad back or twisted ankle, take an aspirin and go away. Don't try and hide yourself behind legitimate patients who need this at a dire time int their life.

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bill schurman 3 years, 5 months ago

Yo, Duster,

I ain't got a dog in this fight, as they say. I ain't no card carrier. Just trying to make sense of the hysteria. BTW: if you really care, outlaw alcohol.

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SMRFF 3 years, 5 months ago

Duster - Aspirin carries much more risk than MMJ, so why should someone opt for that? Go get yourself some facts.

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Glenn Little II 3 years, 5 months ago

So I guess Duster does not want a job blogging : ( I don't have a bad back or twisted ankle but do have arthritis.. Aspirin does not do anything besides tear my stomach apart. With marijuana I can move and react normally because my joints are no longer swollen and pain has subsided. Now what patient do you you know that needs marijuana because you should help them get there card if it's really that dire. Duster you have no clue what qualifies one for the use of marijuana do you?

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Troutguy 3 years, 5 months ago

A bill was just introduced in the House of Representatives that would end the Federal ban on marijuana and give states the right to regulate the drug. Introduced by Ron Paul, R-Texas and Barney Frank, D-Mass, the bill would give states and counties the right to decide when and where to allow the possession and sale of marijuana. That way they can regulate it like alcohol. http://www.thestreet.com/story/11162203/1/ron-paul-barney-frank-say-legalize-pot.html

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bill schurman 3 years, 5 months ago

Watch it fail due to the gutless legislators afraid of the tea party folks & the radical right.(is that redundant?). Right Lisa??

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 5 months ago

But even those same Congressmen admit that it might not stand a snow-ball's-chance-in-hell of passing, but it is critical for fueling the discussion on more of a national level. And that's exactly what's needed right now; discussion and clarity on the matter.

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bill schurman 3 years, 5 months ago

This appeared today in relation to a Columbus, OH sobriety checkpoint, great comment:

"Next we'll have Weed Wagons at checkpoints to generate more revenue, all in the name of public safety. Smoke 'em if you got 'em!'Chronic' offenders will be issued green plates of shame if they are caught driving buzzed. We also need to setup fatigue checkpoints. Anyone trying to make a living working a double shift then driving will be busted. And what WHAT about texting while driving? Maybe they'll setup a cell phone forensics lab to see if texting has occurred while driving. Ahh technology, law enforcement and making money for the gov go hand in hand."

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james Patterson 3 years, 5 months ago

Duster..... I've read both threads and all your comments. I really had no intention of participating in your babble, but....... You are so wrong on so many levels. I do have a terminal illness and I do get relief from MMJ, but not from smoking it. Infused products, esp tincture and salves, are very effective for me. Caregivers are by law not allowed to provided diffused products. It is much too complex of a process for most individuals to be able to do themselves. I have an herbalist that "designs" my products specifically for me. My other alternative is a highly toxic, generic "medicine" that has side effects worse than my condition. You and your ilk want to take my freedom of choice away because of a perceived abuse of the system. Using that logic, all pain meds need to be removed immediately, esp Oxy. Other various meds need to be removed due to abuse. Alcohol, cigarettes, laxatives, sleep aids and on and on need to go immediately. Very, very poor logic. As I have stated on other threads, if the concern is inappropriate Dr recommendations, then go that route. Submit a complaint to the medical ethics board. The State knows every Dr that has recommended MMJ and how many times they have done so. Do be aware of the very slippery slope this will start. Over medicating, over testing, and over treating by the medical industrial complex has been a topic for a very long time. The profit motive behind these practices has also been well documented. Demonizing the MMJ industry while not including all the other "medical abuses" flies in the face of rational thought. I do not believe that is the "real" issue at hand. I think it is the assumption "mother knows best" that is being pushed here. It is also a continuation of the "cultural war" that has been going on since the 60's. Those that believe only their "values and morals" are valid-ie Tea Party, evangelical right, (take our country back folks) are the ones leading the charge. These people are fearful that those of a more tolerant nature might be gaining a foothold. The acceptance of gay marriage being an example of one of the battles they are losing. They insist on telling others what is "right". Speaking for myself, I prefer the diversity of liberty and freedom, even for those that wish to interfere with my freedoms. To me, that is what America stands for. Standing up for the rights of others (esp those in the minority) is what defines a patriot, not waving a flag all the while telling others how they must live their lives. Just an aside.... The Tea Party/Libertarian web site Action American does in fact support the government administration and regulation of all substances and calls the "War of Drugs" a failure and unconstitutional...... just fyi.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 5 months ago

Ya know, if we could see a response like that(thank you skypilot) from someone on the anti-cannabis side of the debate it might actually be worth while pursuing a conversation with them.

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bill schurman 3 years, 5 months ago

The Saturday Denver Post Editorial:

The nation's marijuana laws are an overlapping mess. Possession is illegal under federal law while an impressive list of states, including Colorado, brazenly defy Washington's edict by allowing marijuana for medical use. Congress should have resolved this conflict years agobut now at last it has its chance.

A bill, whose sponsors include Rep. Jared Polis, D-Boulder, would not legalize marijuana, but rather remove it from the federal government's list of controlled substances. That would enable states that have legalized medical marijuana — which include such major population centers as California, New Jersey and Michigan — to craft and enforce their own laws without conflict with the feds.

Those states may be operating outside of federal law, but it's with their citizens' consent. State and local officials, as well as dispensaries and their clients, deserve a reprieve from this twilight zone in which federal authorities could change their mind at any moment and charge them with crimes.

Earlier this year, the clash between state and federal law came into sharp focus when federal prosecutors essentially fired warning shots at proposals in several states despite previous assurances they would not target those who followed state laws.

John Walsh, U.S. attorney for Colorado, took issue with a proposed law that would have created a license for large-scale marijuana-infused manufacturing facilities. Similarly, other U.S. attorneys threatened enforcement of federal law against big operations.

The result was trepidation among medical marijuana business owners who had operated in line with what they thought was a relaxation of federal enforcement.

We haven't and won't defend the ambition of medical marijuana businesses that seem determined to interpret the 2009 Justice Department pronouncement in the most expansive light.

We also have said on several occasions that we do not think voters were approving back-door legalization when they supported a 2000 state constitutional amendment allowing medical marijuana. Indeed, straight-up legalization failed overwhelmingly in Colorado in 2006 and would probably fail again if voters are given another shot at the issue in 2012.

If voters were to approve legalization, of course, the conflict with federal law would only sharpen.

That's why we think this congressional measure makes sense.

To be sure, the bill still would allow for some federal enforcement — in cases, for instance, of trafficking between states. But mostly it would take the feds out of the enforcement equation.

Such a change would all but eliminate the confusion between state and federal law and allow for clear enforcement of established rules.

Ladies, what 'ya think ???????????????????

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Rob Douglas 3 years, 5 months ago

Today, the editorial board of one of the most prominent conservative publications in the country - the National Review - published an editorial stating that medical marijuana should be viewed as a states' rights issue. see: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/270520/right-marijuana-editors

The National Review also came out in support of the Barney Frank/Ron Paul legislation stating: "A bill introduced by Reps. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) and Ron Paul (R., Texas) would remove the federal roadblock to state marijuana reform, and though the Republican House seems almost certain to reject it, the proposal deserves support from across the political spectrum."

In my opinion, the editors at the National Review are correct and this is a battle that true believers in states' rights, members of the liberty movement and civil libertarians of all stripes should join.

While this may not be the battle that many of us who wish to see the 10th Amendment restored to its appropriate prominence within the Bill of Rights would have selected as the ground upon which to take a stand, it is nonetheless a battle that has presented itself and will determine who truly believes in states' rights and who just mouthed the words when it was politically convenient.

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james Patterson 3 years, 5 months ago

Mr Douglas..... thank you for a clear, concise thoughtful statement. I am definitely not a fan of the NR, but your statement is right on. The next step for states..... State sponsored banks-follow the lead of North Dakota. Take outside power and influence out of the game. Keep it local!! Well done, sir!

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freerider 3 years, 5 months ago

hey Duster

you are a drug cartels best friend

say hello to Adolf for me

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John Rogers 3 years, 5 months ago

because it has no constitutional right to be there

As i see it ...

I live less than 1 block from Aloha's..and w/3 small children is this fair? Make them go elsewhere where there not right next to familes and such.

also i have become aware that less than a block the other direction is a home grow op..{I'n not stupid the grower has light leaking out from his "shed"}.what are we allowing in Milner....please Vote and do the right thing

Aloha must go ~

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