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Steamboat City Council revises medical marijuana law
Council approves new ordinance; dispensary operator sees it as a ban
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Steamboat Springs — The Steamboat Springs City Council unanimously approved the second reading of a revision to its medical marijuana ordinance Tuesday night that will regulate the city’s existing three dispensaries until residents decide in November whether to allow them to continue to operate.
But Rocky Mountain Remedies co-owner Kevin Fisher and local attorney Lindsey Bates, who represents D&C Medical Marijuana and Therapeutic Massage, said the revised ordinance essentially bans the operation of the three local dispensaries.
City Council member Jon Quinn also expressed concern that the revised ordinance made the operation of medical marijuana businesses tenuous.
City Attorney Tony Lettunich said the city’s existing medical marijuana ordinance allowed the dispensaries to operate in compliance with Amendment 20, which Colorado voters approved in 2000 to make the use of marijuana legal for people with certain medical conditions and a doctor’s recommendation.
Lettunich said the revised ordinance would permit the dispensaries to continue operating in compliance with Amendment 20, but it wouldn’t recognize the commercial businesses created by House Bill 1284. He said including dispensaries, grow operations and infused-product makers in the revised ordinance could put Steamboat at risk to legal challenges should voters ban medical marijuana.
In the event a ban fails, the City Council approved, by a 6-1 vote, the first reading of a medical marijuana ordinance that would take effect only if voters don’t approve a ban in November. It would recognize the commercial businesses created by House Bill 1284. Council member Meg Bentley opposed the first reading of the ordinance.
The ordinance also would permit the operation of one more infused-product maker, bringing the city’s allowable total to four. That would allow the business owned by Steamboat resident Lisa Kamieniecki to continue to operate. She said it has been open for more than a year.
The City Council had been considering a revised ordinance that included the commercial businesses, but backed away when the possibility of a ban was raised.
Steamboat Springs Police Department Capt. Joel Rae and Dr. Brian Harrington, of Yampa Valley Medical Associates, voiced support for a ban at the council’s April 5 meeting. A community group has since formed to oppose medical marijuana businesses throughout Routt County.
Before the meeting, Bates sent a letter to the City Council informing them that D&C would sue the city if it banned medical marijuana businesses. City Council members didn’t address any possible litigation Tuesday night.
— To reach Jack Weinstein, call 970-871-4203 or email jweinstein@SteamboatToday.com
Comments
LisaWatts (Lisa Watts) says...
Given the fact the Mr. Weinstein called me a liar this evening as to my representation that I do indeed live in SBS, (which was confirmed to Mr. Weinstein by a SBS Police Officer), I feel compelled to provide a bit of reality on the "regulation" proposed.
The City Council presented Ordinance 2296,to inspect, regulate and enforce this industry with the comments that there were "no problems or conflicts" and that there would be no "fiscal impact".
Either they all intend to do this for free in their spare time and be personally accountable to the public, or the argument can be made that not much will really get done and the industry and the Council will remain un-accountable by their own hand.
In all fairness, the Council specifically did address this in the ordinance that they "may" inspect, and they "may" investigate criminal history prior to issuing a license. Although in direct contradiction, they committed themselves that a license "shall" be denied if there is evidence of criminal history. Reason might ask that if they aren't mandated to check criminal history and don't, then wouldn't it stand to reason that they in fact, are not accountable to denying a license base on criminal history?
This is the tip of the absurdity iceberg.
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The City Council was presented with a 3 page list of "general" objections to the ordinance questioning the complete lack of accountable regulation, inspection and enforcement. The City Council was also questioned on the fiscal impacts of continuing to careen along with a bandaid approach to controlling this industry. Not to mention the fiscal cost to the city to regulate, inspect and enforce this industry. None of these concerns were addressed by the Council.
In fact,at one point during the meeting, in a blatant example of this industry minding itself; the Council asked disepensary owners in the gallery if they had received their licenses from the state yet. The response was "next week, they're being sent". (paraphrase). Eh, it's in the mail.
I ask our community; is this the acceptable and accountable representation of a governing body that we are entrusting to protect the interests of the public at large?
We also requested that the Council consider an Advisory Board of concerned citizens to weigh in on a counter point to work for a true and accountable intent in regulating. The Council did not comment.
I will gladly forward a copy of our objections to the egregious lack of accountability in this ordinance, it is posted in our email correspondence to supporters as well.
It is beyond my comprehension how the Council can, in consideration of the maginitude of the responsibility to govern in good stead, present this as "regulation" to this community. But then, it speaks volumes as to why we are here in the first place.
June 22, 2011 at 1:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
You're the tip of the real absurdity berg lady.
June 22, 2011 at 6:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
routter (kevin fisher) says...
My English teacher called, she said she's been inundated with correspondence from the Routt County Citizens for Proper Quotation Mark Usage informing her of Ms. Watts lack of proper implementation of the punctuation. This presents a clear and present danger to our community and I think we need a ballot initiative to address this matter.
Seriously, Ms. Watts and her ilk need to read the regulations governing MMC's passed by the State, effective July 1, 2011. I'll post them for perusal:
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clic...
and
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clic...
and
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clic...
and
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clic...
and
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?...
You see, Ms. Watts- lots and lots and lost of regulation and oversight. I just spent tens of thousands on security equipment. My state fees that fund the enforcement arm of the agency ran into the tens of thousands, as well. In no other instance, do municipalities promulgate legislation to regulate specialized health care industries such as this. Instead, that is taken care of by the state and federal governments, as well as the professional organizations, themselves. The notion that our City Council should act otherwise is naive and poorly conceived.
The opposition's arguments continue to ring hollow. Facts are sparse and conjecture generous. I consider their continued insinuation into our citizens' physician-patient relationships to be loathsome and erosive of our Constitutional freedoms. Don't tread on me, I say.
And lastly, I have been informed Ms. Watts rhetoric spilled over into the personal space of of a couple of last evening's Council meeting's attendees and charges are pending. At least I keep my cannabis to myself.
June 22, 2011 at 8:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Scott_Wedel (Scott Wedel) says...
HR 1284 was just signed by the Governor and it is ridiculous to expect the dispensaries to have conformed and received their state licenses.
By her own standards, where are the campaign finance disclosures for her group? Maybe they are being funded by murderous Mexican drug cartels. We should not be allowing murderous Mexican drug cartels control our local politics.
Completely ridiculous, but it is no different than how she makes absurd leaps of logic regarding local mmj businesses.
June 22, 2011 at 9:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bboyer (Brent Boyer) says...
All:
While we all recognize the passion surrounding the medical marijuana issue in our community and across the state, please keep your comments to the issue. Personal attacks on others, regardless of which side of the issue they take, will not be tolerated. Such comments will be removed, and repeat offenders will be banned from our site.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Brent Boyer
Editor
970-871-4221
bboyer@SteamboatToday.com
June 22, 2011 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
skypilot (anonymous) says...
Living in a community that banned dispensaries, I can tell the folks supporting a ban what they will and will not achieve:
1-It will not reduce the number of card holders or their consumption of MMJ. It will also not reduce marijuana usage among non-card holders. It will most likely increase this as the availability of black market marijuana increases dramatically.
2-The cartels will move in to fill the gap. This money will siphon back to the border towns most likely contributing to the violence occurring in those towns. Gang members often provide the foot soldiers for the cartels and their presence in the community will likely increase.
3-mini "pot farms" will spring up in neighborhoods as card holders attempt to grow their own product. These will be susceptible to theft, creating a "protection" issue for the grower and a criminal issue for the neighborhood.
4-Infusion products (which for many are the most effective for chronic pain relief) will no longer be able to be legally produced creating another very profitable product for the black market.
5-There will be no quality control/oversight of MMJ and it's products creating a situation that makes MMJ vulnerable to an assortment of contaminants (anyone remember paraquat?)
6-Will not reduce the number of "questionable" recommendations
7-Forcing MMJ card holders into the black market creates an unnecessary criminal class possibly burdening an overburdened justice system
This is not an all inclusive list, but it illustrates the point that banning dispensaries may not be in the best interest of the community. Having experienced this process, I have to wonder what motives are behind the desire to ban. The reasons presented in the Pilot and in the comments section do not make sense as a ban would not achieve the stated concerns and would quite possibly achieve the exact opposite. One "reason" that comes to mind is the belief that some doctors recommended MMJ inappropriately. If this were truly a concern, why not address the issue with the state medical ethics board? The state knows what doctors recommended MMJ and how many times they did so. Banning dispensaries will do nothing to correct this perceived issue.
From my experience, the real issue is a group of people want to control the behavior of others because they know what's best for them. One of the leaders of the ban movement claims Tea Party affiliation, yet this flies in the face of the philosophy of that movement which is smaller, less government interference and adherence to the constitution. No where does the constitution state or imply that the government should control what citizens choose to consume (or not). That brings to question what are their true motives. Do these people really believe they know what's best for my health? More so than myself, my doctors? Really?? When dealing with folks that "know what's best for others", conventional wisdom says follow the ambitions and follow the money.
June 22, 2011 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
What an amazingly well-put, common sense filled post, Skypilot! Thank you! It's a shame that people don't tap into their common sense more often. Lisa and the good doctor, along with others, allow their emotions and tea party blinders to trump basic logic. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case with almost any political/ideological debate these days.
June 22, 2011 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LisaWatts (Lisa Watts) says...
Thank you Mr. Boyer.
Our top law enforcement authority Colorado Attorney General John Suthers calls "medical" marijuana in Colorado a joke.
Our local law enforcement authorities have confirmed that they have seen no level of engaged, local enforcement from the state.
Clearly, if the SBS City Council bumbles around for 20 minutes in a public meeting without clue as to the process of licensing and finally has to ask a pot shop owner if they've gotten their license and are conforming, the assertion of "lots of lots and lots" of regulation and oversight from the City is a joke as well. And certainly, if they proceed with Ordinance 2296 in its current presentation in the unlikely event that the ban fails, we emphatically assert that the foxes are left to guard the hen house.
Not to mention one iota of an attempt to plan for the additional cost to the city to effectively regulate this. Don't the voters deserve to know that if they don't ban this illegal industry what the legal and financial ramifications will be? Wouldn't this be pertinent, prudent and accountable information we should expect prior to a vote?
Ever try to get a permit for anything in the City? Ever been able to say, eh; it's in the mail, I'll let you know? Is this community comfortable with pot shop owners "maybe" being investigated for criminal history? Does this city "maybe" investigate a building permit? Does this city set "maybe" quidelines for any other permit or license?
Literally, this Council puts other industries in our community under a microscope and says "maybe" they will inspect one that btw remains completely illegal on the federal level.
Unconscionable.
Non sensical, bandaid legislation without accountability is worthless. Reference and link it all day long and if it is not enforced the representation to this community that this industry is "regulated" is fraudulent and a grievous dis-service to the many on behalf of the few at best. I commit that we will be here to hold legislators accountable and ask all the hard questions, we are not going away.
On the record, the City Council of Steamboat Springs has been asked to consider and answer our concerns, asked to proactively engage an Advisory Board with counter point representation of Dr. Victory and myself. An ENTIRE scope needs to be presented to this community, and it should be responsibly encouraged and welcomed by our Council.
Of course, the ultimate accountability for all is at the polls for this industry and our elected officials. We will work diligently to that effort.
June 22, 2011 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
skypilot (anonymous) says...
Veiled threats ( .... and our elected officials. We will work diligently to that effort), accusations of incompetance, accusations of fraudulent behavior in addition to challenging a doctor's recommendation. Thank God for the internet where one can say such things and not have to prove their validity.
I'm sure my Oncologist would love for you and your Dr friend to call her so she can explain why she recommended MMJ. If you like, I will provide you her number.
Again, ladies, makes one wonder about the true motives for your "concerns".
If you think it's unregulated now, wait till your group bans dispensaries. Try "regulating" the cartels and gangs. Good luck on that one.
Your statements of government incompetance do go along with the Tea Pzrty platform.... except you think a law will make things better...... how foolish.
June 22, 2011 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
Last night, Dr. Victory made an ironic oxymoron on the microphone. She stated, basically, that the pro-mmj side of this debate has behaved in ways that instill "fear" in the anti-mmj side of the debate...saying her doctor constituents and such would be speaking out against mmj, but are "afraid". Well, the irony here, is the entire anti-mmj side of the debate is trying it's best at "scare tactics" to instill "fear" in our City Council and our community. Because we have a council that has always looked at the big picture here, they are seeing past the scare tactics and making the best decisions possible in the midst of this constant confusion.
Also, with her stern doctor voice, bringing to light another irrelevant issue to our council, she claimed that if she was writing prescriptions in the same way MMJ Dr.'s are writing MMJ recommendations, she would be arrested and sent to prison!! She even reiterated with wide-eyes, "PRISON!!" Then, Jon Quinn, quickly asked, "Have any Dr's ever been sent to prison for writing MMJ recommendations??" She said, "No."....he said, "thank you." Again, a scare tactic did not work and pointless time was spent at our City Council meeting.
And Lisa, what part of your concerns have the City Council NOT considered? They have read HB10-1284, they have drafted an ordinance that strictly adheres to it's guidelines and even has a few more conservative elements to it (i.e., limiting the number of businesses to 3). The Council has listened to you spew what you believe are the "facts" and they have made their decisions. They are perfectly able, as our elected Council to decide what is proper in this area. It is not complicated. When people vote in November we will all see what the community thinks. And even then, we must trust our City Council's ability to make decisions without the need for a bunch of new political action committees spewing personal agendas smeared with untruth. This Council is already burdened enough with much more important issues in the coming months. Please, allow them the time to breathe and do their jobs.
June 22, 2011 at 4:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
JJ-
I think you nailed it pretty squarely on the head.
From day one, since the very first anti-cannabis crowd gathered, their argument has been filled with lies and propaganda-saturated disinformation that has been geared towards one thing and one thing only....scaring people (the ones who don't already know the truth about cannabis) into being WAY too terrified to even consider it as an option in the first place. So many terrifying lies have permeated the conversation about cannabis that the average uninformed individual stands a very good chance of becoming completely brainwashed into fighting for the anti-cannabis crowd, even while having ZERO personal experience with cannabis themselves. Granted, the responsibility to seek out truth on any given subject lies solely with each individual, but it's a bit difficult to get the truth out there when you've got vitriolic lies and non-truths coming from the "doctors" and "officers of the law" that are historically supposed to be setting the example for integrity and honor in our societies.
To call it an up-hill battle is a bit of a misnomer because it's much more than that.
We're currently fighting the build-up of BS that has accumulated over the past 7-8 decades, with regards to the current lies about cannabis, and you can bet your cannabis hatin' butts that we'll keep fighting, until the fight is won. Mark my words.
If you somehow envision yourselves(cannabis-haters) as the righteous side of the debate, then you're exponentially more delusional than you perceive any of us to be. You honestly ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
June 22, 2011 at 6:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
StopTheBrutalChemtrails (anonymous) says...
How about voting to ban something that actually causes harm to victims, like fluoride?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeLy0o...
June 22, 2011 at 6:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Yes chemtrails,....
save the planet,
save the water,
save the whales
and save everything else while we're at it too. Change it all back to the way it was.
Happy now?
June 22, 2011 at 6:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Although fluoride is surely an evil that needs to be addressed, maybe something a little more on topic needs to be interjected here?
How about 2/3rdsof the cocaine in America being contaminated with skin-rotting chemicals?
http://www.businessinsider.com/robert...
Boy, I'm sure glad that nothing like that ever happens with cannabis!
Maybe these two are on to something....
http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/22/news/...
June 22, 2011 at 7:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
Check out the Wall Street Journals story pretty interesting.. Pay close attention to the crosses in the video. Did you notice those too? Yep, just as I thought religion is trying to force there ways upon others again. No wonder why people stop going to church! There is a new religion in town and it's called FREEDOM !!!
http://online.wsj.com/video/cannabis-...
June 22, 2011 at 11:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
skypilot (anonymous) says...
Okay, I did check out the Wall Street video. For me it raises some interesting questions:
1-How did the WSJ hear of the situation in SBS?
2-Why did they choose to run a story about it? They didn't run one when other CO towns dealt with this issue. Just an aside-the WSJ is owned by the same guy that owns Fox News, which just happen to be a strong supporter of the Tea Party-dots that need to be connected?
3-Dr Victory's 2 points in the video are very questionable.
4-For someone that doesn't want SBS to be known as a party town, why would they support the WSJ telling the world the SBS has dispensaries? Self publicizing maybe?
Sorry to tell SBS folks, but SBS is, in part, a party town, (as are most ski resort towns) always has been, way before MMJ. The presence or absence of dispensaries will not impact this.
The Dr also made it a point to again bring up the "questionable" recommendations issue. (without, I assume, ever having seen any patient's medical file) Her "concern" is a medical ethics issue, not a dispensary issue. If she truly believes this, why isn't she pursuing investigations and possible indictments via the medical ethics process. Could it be that this is not really the issue at hand or that her accusation is simply her opinion stated as fact to give perceived "professional" credence to her desire to ban access to MMJ? (just a logic aside... by her voicing an opinion that the recommendations are being made without the Dr. having medical knowledge of the patient, isn't she doing the same thing with even less medical information by saying the recommendations are inappropriate? Just a thought)
If I were a doctor in the state of CO, I would be livid at the accusation of inappropriate recommendations. A Dr. publicly questioning another Dr.'s medical judgement with no knowledge of the patient(s) in question is in poor taste and may in itself be an ethics violation. This is a very slippery slope. If this is allowed to go unchallenged, what aspect of the doctor/patient relationship will be questioned next because Dr Victory doesn't think it's "appropriate"?
I'm not a resident of SBS and have no vested interest in this fight, (disclosure-I have been known to visit it's dispensaries) but how the WSJ got involved and for what purpose is very interesting, esp considering the mutual Tea Party affiliation. I seriously doubt whether most WSJ readers are interested, concerned or care about dispensaries in SBS. Again, follow the ambitions and the money.
In my opinion, this is another power move to control our private lives. For a group (Lisa's Tea Party) that claims to be for maximum liberty, they sure have a strange way of showing it.
June 23, 2011 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
housepoor (anonymous) says...
Steamboat makes the WSJ for.........
http://online.wsj.com/video/posh-pot-...
June 23, 2011 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
housepoor (anonymous) says...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
June 23, 2011 at 8:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
routter (kevin fisher) says...
Ms. Watts-
I question your reading comprehension skills. If you examine 10-1284 and the associated rules you'll see that July 1, 2011 is the date the new laws take effect. You see, to enforce them prior to that date would be unlawful. Hence- the lack of enforcement.
I strike valid, corroborated points, diffuse your argument, you shift your babble.
You write:
"Not to mention one iota of an attempt to plan for the additional cost to the city to effectively regulate this"
Howzabout using some of the $120,000 in sales tax I'll pay this year? That should more than cover it.
Ms. Watts, let's see some real, hard-number statistics from you showing the detrimental effects of cannabis on our community. I frankly, am tiring of your innuendo and conjecture. I think that maybe Dr. Victory and yourself would have well-spent the short amount of time you've been in our community observing the role cannabis plays and then, rather than trying to coerce us into your misshapen moral framework, assimilated yourselves into OUR community.
Multiculturalism has proven a failure the world over. I see this no differently.
June 23, 2011 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jimmmmmm (anonymous) says...
Just watched the video from WSJ.
One question: How long has Dr. Victory lived here? She states that Steamboat is now viewed as a "party town" and "pot friendly". Couldn't disagree more.
I've lived here for a long time, and it has always been viewed, among many many things, as a party town, and a pot friendly town. When I first moved here, I had a hard time finding people who didn't smoke weed. Did Dr. Victory move here last winter or something?
June 23, 2011 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
routter (kevin fisher) says...
She and Watts both arrived in 2009.
June 23, 2011 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jimmmmmm (anonymous) says...
So she has lived here for less than 2 years??? Probably not even full time-and now she has the authority to say the town has changed to a "party town and pot friendly".
I'm confused.
June 23, 2011 at 10:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Scott_Wedel (Scott Wedel) says...
Well, with SBS, Routt County and presumably Oak Creek all having mmj dispensary measures on the ballot this November, the prohibitionists have decided to go "all in".
Now comes the campaign. By making this election about mmj in every municipality with dispensaries then we may end up being seen as an important proxy election for mmj in general and thus attract nationwide freedom and prohibition groups.
A key figure as well spoken as Kevin Fisher could easily end up on nationwide news shows and if he plays his cards right then he'll be hanging with Cameron Diaz and all the other celebrity mmj advocates.
Anyone talk to Willie Nelson, Mellissa Etheridge and Neil Young about a pro-mmj concert and fundraiser yet?
June 23, 2011 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
Right Jim ! I know most of us have been here for most of the past decade and can tell everyone this town parties alot and you are right it's tough to find someone who doesn't smoke weed.. We locals have the right and the willpower to campaign against these yocals! It will be national news and become just a small step of what is to come for voters here in Colorado... Hey Lisa, Kelly, guess what? You better have started your campaign like yesterday because word is already starting to spread around the state and the country. Routt county citizens for MMJ are coming to the polls this fall to crush the vote !
June 23, 2011 at 11:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Ms. Watts: The word "may", in this case, is an auxiliary verb used to express ability, power, permission. It grants authority to the powers-that-be to inspect and regulate. It is not the same word as "maybe". Also, there are "fiscal costs to the city to regulate, inspect and enforce" every industry in Steamboat. That's what sales taxes and various and sundry other fees paid by businesses are intended to cover. Who covers the costs to the city to regulate and enforce black market drugs? "The voters" know exactly what will happen if they don't ban this illegal industry, as well as what the "legal and financial ramifications will be"; it will decriminalize a plant, free up law enforcement to concentrate on real crimes, create revenue for the city, give people an alternative to drugs with terrible side effects, etc., etc. etc. I've read and re-read your comments and I still don't get what your objections are. You don't like the way the proposed ordinance is worded? Maybe because you've misinterpreted the wording. You don't like the way the City Council is handling the matter? Maybe because you are not as informed as you try to sound. Pot is federally illegal? So was alcohol at one time. The law was changed. Now I can have a martini without being thrown in jail. See how that works?
June 23, 2011 at 12:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Beenthere-
Thank you. Another well thought-out and presented stance on the issue.
June 23, 2011 at 7:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Gosh I did not know their were so many terminal ill patients in Steamboat. Sounds like a study should be conducted to determine what the illness is. God forbid if it cannot be contain in the town
June 23, 2011 at 9:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Who cares where she's from and how long she has been in the city. Are you saying her rights are less than yours based on the length of residency. What you are really saying is because she is not in agreement with your position, you use a veiled threat that she has not lived in the community long enough to know what is best for it. With that type of logic, I can see why you are a pothead, I mean smoke pot.
June 23, 2011 at 9:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Duster-
The voice of reason we've all been waiting for. Thanks.
June 23, 2011 at 9:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
I'm sure all the publicity in the WSJ will do wonders for skier visits next year. I know visitors with lots of cash want to spend time and dollars in a city that condones pot heads. I mean let's face it, walking down the street with that pot smoke wafting in the air as a visiting family with small children walk by has to encourage a return trip. I'm sure with the influx the property values will increase tremendously, Heck we should even see if we can get this approved for reimbursement from the insurance companies. I'm sure that health care, property insurance, and the cost of insuring skiers on the mountain will be reduced. Heck, just pass it on to that family if they EVER come back.
June 23, 2011 at 9:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
And we're the ones that get blasted for anecdotal evidence? You've got to be kidding me!!!
So, you're saying that NOW this town sucks because all of the visitors have to walk around and smell cannabis all the time? Is that right?
Please tell me that there's another facet to your argument...
June 23, 2011 at 9:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Let me see........One hand a nice mountain vacation or one where people have to worry about MJ smoke wafting in the air....Hmmmmmmm. Tough decision.........NOT Who cares about the anedotal evidence. If you want pot to be legal fall on your sword and say so. Don't hide behind terminally ill patients. Stand up......Or I forgot, you are in too much pain.. I'm surprised you can type with that much pain. You try taking care of a terminally ill patient and you'll find out whats important in life pothead.
June 23, 2011 at 9:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
OF FRIGIN COARSE I WANT CANNABIS TO BE RE-LEGALIZED.
Have you ever read anything I've ever posted?
And are you impressing yourself with all that hateful speech towards us cannabis users? Is it making you feel all big and bad about it? I bet you're a real big man, huh?
June 23, 2011 at 9:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Pothead just say what you really mean. That you want POT to be legalized. There does it make you feel better. You don't need to hide behind this MMJ law.
June 23, 2011 at 9:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Pothead, stick to the discussion. You continue to post this and that about MMJ. When in truth, when the curtain is raised it's not about the patients its about your drug use.
June 23, 2011 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
So, you'd rather us all be using cannabis illegally again, or what?
And enough with the whole "pothead" thing. I could refer to you as "country bumpkin cracker" with every one of my comments, but I don't. It's called courtesy.
June 23, 2011 at 10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
If you want to Self Medicate yourself, thats fine. Go some place and take care of it. Just don't use a terminal illness as an excuse. Without that crutch we would not have anything to talk about.
June 23, 2011 at 10:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
What ever you do though, don't drive the car, or go to work......You should probably sign up for disability for that bad back of yours. You want to feel real pain How bout some Terminal Cancers like Ovarian or Lung......The only relief is when the pain stops.
June 23, 2011 at 10:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Ummm....well, in case you were at all misinformed about this, I've been self-medicating for some time now. And it is absolutely fine(not that your approval has anything to do anything).
And I've never claimed once that I'm terminally ill. Never. No cancer, no AIDS, no crohn's, just constant pain. Thankfully, I just use cannabis as a pain reliever. I'm glad that my life doesn't depend on it but I'm sure glad that those people have access to it.
Maybe you should figure out what you want to argue about before you set out on a crusade on here.
June 23, 2011 at 10:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Duster-
Can you please teach us all how to be so holier-than-thou, like you?
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
Maybe it's about your drug use DUSTER. You been huffing cans of that stuff or what? Where are you coming from in this discussion and what's your vested interest? Maybe if it were not for people like you than marijuana would be legalized for all uses. Do you even know the benefits and solutions that could help save the planet you and your family live on? We will not stop medicating and telling others it is a much safer alternative than prescription pain pills until everyone knows ! So yes tell all your friends that it is time for legalization !!!
June 23, 2011 at 10:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
You don't know courtesy POTHEAD. Hiding behind terminal ill patients when in fact your whole agenda is really a backdoor to getting a legal stash. Courtesy is for those that are truthful and belief in what they are fighting for. You have neither. Why don't you start protesting for legalizing POT. Everyone of your patients...I mean friends will be running for the hills. Try forming a smoke in or a demonstration. That will prove that the majority of the community don't want it.
June 23, 2011 at 10:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Hey SKIF, see POTHEAD couldn't handle this by himself and needed to bring you into it. What is the rate for an emergency blogger call?
June 23, 2011 at 10:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
We are for legalization as well and just to let you know it is going to be voted on in Colorado on the 2012 ballot so get ready!
June 23, 2011 at 10:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Great SkiF. Sounds like you don't have anything to add to the MMJ comments. You and POTHEAD can start your own blog on legalizing MMJ. What were talking about is the use of MMJ for the terminally ill.
June 23, 2011 at 10:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Duster -- you talk awful big, for an anonymous.
June 23, 2011 at 10:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
speaking of honest
June 23, 2011 at 10:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
That ballot is going to go up in smoke. You should really go to Boulder and volunteer for the Pollis re-election campaign.
June 23, 2011 at 10:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Just because I am talking real does not mean I am the only one that thinks this way. When it comes down to it, you'll be back in your basements or on some wooded outcropping nursing your plant to fill your next baggy.
June 23, 2011 at 10:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
You know what it's all non-profit baby.. I do this because I am truthful and believe what I am fighting for. Fighting for equal rights and to end oppression, to inform people with the truth and fight for our freedom ! Eliminate discrimination between others and help join the community together. Everyone has that right so stop crying about it there is more activism in my pinkie finger than you would ever know what to do with.
June 23, 2011 at 10:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Duster: I believe you must never have been to any of the free concerts in Steamboat, where the smell of beer is "wafting in the air" and there are hundreds of families with little kids running around year after year after year; it doesn't seem to have affected attendance. I've lived in Steamboat 25 years and can't remember ever smelling alcohol "wafting" anywhere else, so I don't think it's something you need to worry about if marijuana is legalized. And if you think alcohol hasn't impacted "health care, property insurance, and the cost of insuring skiers on the mountain", not to mention your automobile insurance, you really are uninformed. And, yet, alcohol consumption is legal. Do you drink? Do you think everyone who drinks is an alcoholic? Are you drunk right now? 'Cause you don't seem to really be reading what's being said. So let me reiterate for mmj22 and any number of people: Yes, we want the marijuana plant to be legalized. We want it regulated. We want it taxed. Just like alcohol, which, by the way, can be lethal (unlike pot) and addictive (unlike pot). So what exactly is your objection? And try, if possible, to respond with some facts, sans the sarcasm.
June 23, 2011 at 10:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I'm still hoping a statewide legalization initiative makes it onto the ballot. That'll make all these little county squabbles moot. I don't recall a marijuana initiative ever failing in Colorado -- anyone? My cowboy friends will vote yes. It's just too bad that two militant ladies of questionable agenda brought it to this. BRING ON THE VOTE!!
June 23, 2011 at 10:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Duster, how long have YOU lived in Steamboat, by the way? And don't get your shirt in a knot; I'm just curious.
June 23, 2011 at 10:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
Dang Duster you been blogging like a teenage girl on this topic tonight. Are you sure you would not like to help us potheads start our blogging forum? You can blog the dust right out of people who are for marijuana to keep them all busy when it's time to vote.. Oh and about the MMJ commentary you would like. The use of marijuana will never go away no matter how many words you type into this little box. It's only growing bigger each and everyday. So terminally ill patients can continue to get there medicine without further adieu. Alcohol and Tobacco are some of the main causes for terminally ill cancer patients for god sake. I'm sure all the pills don't help either. You don't realize how many people use marijuana for pain and find it helps with stress from others such as you.
June 23, 2011 at 11:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Uhhh ... Methinks Duster is passed out somewhere. Or maybe it's just past his bedtime.
June 24, 2011 at 12:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Please, people, show up at the polls in the same proportion you do in these forums!! They are not the morality play we witnessed the other night, but what it's all about. Then maybe these rabble-rousers will seek other pastures, this one being too green.
June 24, 2011 at 12:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Fobia you need to get real. What does alcohol have to do with medicating terminally ill patients? Who cares how long I have lived in the valley. Do you think that in some way that makes a difference. If you want POT to be legalized, stop hanging your argument on MMJ for terminally ill patients.
June 24, 2011 at 6:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Sfif I don't care if POT is legalized. Just make your arguments the right way. The voters in the state signed petitions for the use of MMJ for the terminally ill. MMJ has been hijacked for every user to come up with some excuse to get a prescription. Lets face it, everyone associated with it is getting something out f it. Non profit...is there such a thing.
Do yourself a favor start a "grass" roots organization for the legalization and you will see you are a minority.
June 24, 2011 at 6:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
Duster, there is no stipulation that one must be terminally ill to be recommended the use of MMJ. Now, being a seasoned MMJ caregiver and working in the MMJ industry, I fully stand next to what I have stated many times before.... Marijuana has value in both the medical and recreational realm. What frustrates people like you the most, is that marijuana has become quasi-legal via the medical model. Maybe this is because it has more value in the medical realm than it does in the recreational realm and as humans we would hope that people, in general, are more likely to have a "compassionate" tone towards sick people and their freedom to choose what works for them. A very small number of MMJ patients are "terminally ill", but some are simply choosing a natural alternative to OTC and/or prescribed chemical pills to treat their conditions. Many conditions are debilitating enough to require a medicinal approach to the treatment, but these conditions are far from terminal.
The reason marijuana is continually compared to alcohol, is because it is SAFER. Whether you like the smell of it, or whether it just really bothers you that people are smoking pot without being arrested, really makes no difference. Yes, there are ALOT of people that think just like you. But, most people I come across that do not need medical marijuana, neither do they smoke recreationally, are smart enough to see through the propaganda of yesteryear and see the farce is not that marijuana has no medical value....the farce is that is illegal at all.
Duster, you're mentality is as slow as the ski run you named yourself after. Calling someone that smokes pot a "pothead" immediately makes whatever you have to say after that useless. Why is it that all you naysayers can only spew empty threats and garble, name-calling and hissy-fits? Us POTHEADS are the ones making big contributions to the community, we gained local approval via City Council well over a year ago. Where were all you people then? I remember attended meeting after meeting with not one person speaking in opposition of the MMJ Industry. Us POTHEADS, being so dumb and burnt out, have supplied the level-headed side of this debate. On your side, Duster, are a bunch of dusty old Americans, loosing something they thought they had control of....well, our State Government is moving ahead while voices like yours are getting weaker.
There is no need for a "grassroots" organization for legalization....there are already fully funded political action committees on top of a number of different initiatives for legalization in Colorado. While the first Federal Bill to allow States the freedom to make this choice (co-sponsored by Colo Rep. Jared Polis) without our wonderful Federal Government having a say in it. A good friend of mine, Rico Colibri of ACT for Colorado just forwarded me the copy of his initiative this morning for my input. Don't worry, you Dusty-Ole Steamboater you, marijuana is not going anywhere.
June 24, 2011 at 7:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
Brent Boyer, what happened to the "let's be respectful" clause. Is that only when the pro-mmj folk are addressing the naysayers? The naysayers are allowed to slam us POTHEADS all they want, eh? wtf, brother?
June 24, 2011 at 7:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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June 24, 2011 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Hey GG it's nice to see a real owner come in here and actually stick up for himself. Do you really think you can make a financial gain off of this. How bout we have the City Council approve that POT can be dispensed from the local drugstore. Might cut into your distribution profits? Get real, the majority voted for this to assist terminally ill patients to provide relief. You have hijacked this issue and made it a runaway train.
June 24, 2011 at 9:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG the government has been doing such a good job at running our economy, they should just nationalize the drug trade. Everything can be legal as long as it is dispensed, manufactured, and sold from a government shop...similar to what they did with alcohol. MMJ can be produced in a high quality that ensure the correct dosage. All Profits can go back tot he state. Doctors will need to go through training to ensure it is appropriately prescribed. But this is not your agenda. thank god you have a profit motive in this. The community has awoken and it does not like what it sees. Your probably the same person whose demand has been bringing this into the community.
June 24, 2011 at 9:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
Duster, put down the bottle. You're slurring even in your typed word. Or, did you quit trying to learn the English language after the 3rd grade? Either way, your lack of understanding of basic written English, not to mention the absence of any facts pertaining to the topic at hand, greatly diminishes any credibility you might have.
Please, stop trolling these forums unless you come up with an argument substantiated by facts and can present it in a way that all of us can comprehend.
Not looking for Nobel prize caliber writing. Just something that doesn't require a translator to comprehend. Thanks in advance!
June 24, 2011 at 9:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
hey smurfit...good comeback. Another paid blogger?
June 24, 2011 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
Duster,
Thank you for the kind words! Yes, I get paid per word! I've made millions already.
You, young lady, are a detriment to society. Spewing your hateful, unsubstantiated, emotion-based lies has a much more negative impact on our youth than marijuana ever will.
Unfortunately, as you have so eloquently demonstrated, common sense is either something you have or something you're lacking. Also, you can't fix stupid. Thus, I know I am just spinning my wheels here, but it's hard to resist responding to your incoherent, babbling posts. At least it provides great entertainment!
June 24, 2011 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
hey Smurfit, have you given any though to how the use of MMJ on the mountain will affect the income of all of the people in town? Do you think their income will go up or down because of the unregulated MMJ. you probably have not given that much thought with all the POT smoke wafting around you. But now really give it a thought. The community is based on destination ski visits. Typically families who want to enjoy the mountains. Are Families really wanting to go to a town that does not regulate MMJ. I know you don't care about others, but how bout yourself.....
June 24, 2011 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
Haha! You really think marijuana is going to drive people out of town? There's that lack of common sense thing again.
We are a town full of bars and have our fair share of drunk ski bums, yet marijuana is what's going to put people out of jobs? Can you please provide evidence supporting your prediction? My income is based 100% on tourism, and I am not worried in the slightest. The things that do worry me - bad snow year; unfriendly local punks who think it's fun to pick on the out of towners; unfriendly drunks who never made it beyond "ski bum" status in the decades they've lived here; angry rednecks who try to intimidate a visiting family by tailgating with their lifted Ford pickups on their way to Steamboat Lake; old school good ol' boys who think it's a huge problem that people want to legalize a harmless plant.
If you haven't noticed, drunk people (of which this town has plenty) are far more angry and agressive than these so-called "potheads" you keep railing on.
Breck has much more liberal marijuana policies than Steamboat, and I do believe they fared quite well this past season. Yes, families DID still ski there!
So, to answer your question - Yes! I have given this plenty of thought. If you can provide me evidence that marijuana will be a detriment to our tourism business, please do so. Thanks!
June 24, 2011 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Talk about killing the goose that lays the golden egg...........
June 24, 2011 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
Duster has no face ! Just last winter I got in a gondola with 4 ski school employees who all started smoking in the uniforms.. I was thinking to myself these are the guys who teach families to ski. They were talking about all the fat tips they had got from teaching that day. I think they said all there money was going towards more weed.. There income went up. I was offered a job and told my current employer about my medical card and actually got hired because I'm a cardholder. Now I make more money at this job then I have since I moved here. People come here for the snow that's right, but people also come here to explore the western life and liberties of having marijuana around. It's called FREEDOM and that is not going away whether you like it or not.
June 24, 2011 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jimmmmmm (anonymous) says...
Duster,
Amazing how clueless you are-you are actually arguing that weed will negatively affect our economy? Obviously, in your mind, marijuana just popped up a couple years ago, and now our local economy is in trouble? People didn't smoke pot before Aloha's opened. Did you move here a few months ago like Dr. Victory? No sense in debating with you-can't fix stupid.
Sorry you don't like that people are treating pain with something you don't like, and some people are just medicating. I've always thought that was the individuals business, and no one elses. It's not my business, and I could care less. You must like to stick your nose in everyone's business-probably a tea partier that wants more government control.
Don't tread on me.
June 24, 2011 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Yeah, the WSJ article did wonders for the tourism this summer. I'm sure all of the airlines will be falling all over themselves to provide service to a community where POTHEADS are leading the charge. I'm glad you agree that 100% of your income is from the tourism industry. maybe that will bring some clear thinking to resolve this problem.
June 24, 2011 at 11:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I've gotten jobs before BECAUSE of my pot conviction -- they ask Any crimes? and I say just that one. That's how they know I've got principles. I don't have problems with stoners; it's the drunks and tweakers you can't trust, and I've met a few folks who are pretty weird in their straight natural self. I try to live and let live, but don't try to tell me how to live my life. And if you do stuff to actively suppress that, you can expect a fight. This was a party town 25 years before the dispensaries came along, that I KNOW of. Nothing will change that, even given the worst case, (ain't happening) except where we have to go to get it. Just mind your own business and shut up, would be my advice to you busybodies trying to control us. We'll see how loud you squawk after the election. Crawl back in your hole.
June 24, 2011 at 11:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Hey JIMMY read the Blog. It doesn't matter how long I have lived in the city. Everyone's opinion is important. Your problem is you think SELF MEDICATION and POT should be legal. If that's the case we should legalize all drugs and let the over-doser's fall where they may. Jimmy, if you think POT should be legalized start another blog. This one is focused on MMJ.
June 24, 2011 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
0% of my income comes from tourists, and 0% of my customers are in this town. Industrial contractors range far and wide, and the one the claims to be here in town is a trade joke. Fortunately the Internet brings me to them, and vice versa.
I chose this town to base my business largely because of the open-minded and intelligent people who inhabit it, knowing there's a rotten apple in every basket.
June 24, 2011 at 11:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Jimmy...I'm not a tea partier, but I know enough that the government is the only growth industry we have for now. Have you ever heard the line "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you". Maybe in this instance more government is better than no government.
June 24, 2011 at 11:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Highway, great for you to take advantage of the tourism industry that built the town. God forbid the town gets a reputation as a DRUG hangout. Keep your head in the ground and click you heels together three times...there's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home...feel better.
June 24, 2011 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
"Why should it matter how long I've been here?" is the constant complaint of the newbie. Because you don't know squat about this town, that's why!!
June 24, 2011 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I've loaded more chairs with tourists than you will ever imagine. Get a life.
June 24, 2011 at 11:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jimmmmmm (anonymous) says...
Duster,
1. You're clueless.
2. Your opinion is not important.
3. You're right, I do think MMJ should be legal.
4. Legalizing all drugs is a completely different debate-stay focused.
5. You're clueless.
June 24, 2011 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Duster (aka ALCOHOLIC) Me get real? I asked why you have lived in the valley because you don't really seem to have the pulse of the community. Marijuana use is already flourishing here and has been for as long as I've lived here. So I'm just curious where you've been all this time. And "What does alcohol have to do with medicating terminally ill patients? " It doesn't. Nobody said it did. Please re-read the above posts, particularly GG's, as you call him, because I don't have the patience to explain it to you. And nobody is "hanging" their argument on MMJ for terminally ill patients. I believe most people feel that it is just one step toward legalization. It's certainly not the preferred avenue toward legalization, but it is what it is. And, unless you are psychic, you have no way of knowing the motive behind why "the majority voted for this to assist terminally ill patients to provide relief". "Legalize marijuana" was not on the ballot or I think you would have seen a different outcome. But aside from the issue at hand, why do you have to be so hateful and sarcastic? If you're going to participate in this discussion, try to calm down and focus. You're all over the place and it makes it hard to take you seriously. Go do a couple of shots, if that's what it takes. And by the way, phobia is spelled with a p-h, too ... just like my name.
June 24, 2011 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Well lucky for me, this box turns a buck or two, now and then. In a little while I've got to resume designing some graphs. I ride the buses, to save money. I don't drive, even though I could. My Blazer sits largely idle. The bus goes everywhere in this town, one of many reasons I moved back. I don't have to go far to work -- I wake up, and I'm there!!
Now I've got to figure out how to get a 0-basline in the middle of the y-axis and project negative bars downward, on a standard Google chart which automatically starts at 0 on the bottom. Can ya help me with that, Duster? If not, don't worry, my meds helped me figure it out yesterday, and today I get to work out the details. And when I get done, there will be something new, never existed before, will help people right now, all just from an idea, and some head-knocking, racking for ideas, and crawling through incessant trivia and minutia with Google. But I found it, I know where I'm going, and it's somewhere nobody has ever been before. My meds helped, if not made it possible. So there is any number of positive ways it can be used. If you want to talk computers, let's talk on another channel. If not, get off my back.
June 24, 2011 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
Hey Duster, thought this was about MMJ, the terminally ill.. What happened did you forget what you were talking about? Maybe you should get a life, the people here in these forums are around you everyday going to work. The work force here is an army of potheads who are right now smoking pot in the kitchens they cook at blowing the weed smoke into the hood vent above the grill. What did you think the delicious smell coming from the downtown restaurants was just food? Naw that is just weed smoke wafting in the air.. Marijuana should be legalized and let me reiterate myself but Lisa Watts is for Legalization !!! A DRUG hangout that is awesome.. This valley is full of places to go hangout and smoke marijuana. But I would like you to name one of them? If you did not know already there is marijuana growing out in the woods where you might go hang out. The hospital seems like a good DRUG hangout, they have cheap lunch too. How about we hang out and do some drugs together buddy, maybe you will feel different about it afterward..
June 24, 2011 at 12:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
Thank you, Blythe... I see your point. Just seems disrespectful to label people POTHEAD...that's my point. Oh well, doesn't matter.
Duster, Routter is Kevin Fisher, he regularly posts on these comment boards. Where did you come from? And who are you? Even Lisa Watts and Dr. Victorious give us their name.
I never got into this, solely, for the money. I was a patient first, that had been through the gammet of pharmaceutical treatments, resorting to what I knew already worked best. Cannabis. I rarely see tourists. The customers at the shop I work at (I don't own it for the record, just been the supervisor for a bit, soon to be doing something new) are most definitely local to the town and region. If it weren't for the locals, we would not be in business. I don't see enough 'tourist patients' to keep the business afloat. Some, indeed, are terminal patients. Most are not. Although, everyone has a qualifying condition.
A time may come when cannabis is available in a pharmacy. Big deal. Cannabis is a plant that millions of people have HUGE collections of seeds of. And not Monsanto Seeds. People like myself and other MMJ cardholders will continue to seek the natural alternative. I am very capable and making a living in this world, just like anyone else. The MMJ Industry is not my last resort.
I see, Dusty, that you have the ability, just like all the other naysayers of slapping down a few sentences that take jabs at people and make your spine stiffer. As you tip your hat to people around town after boosting your ego on these comment boards, remember that marijuana has been THICK & DEEP in the Yampa Valley for many decades and in the decades to come it is not going anywhere, no matter what happens in November.
June 24, 2011 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
God almighty. Arguing with Duster is like debating religion with the Westboro Baptist Church. For some reason I just can't look away, though. I know this person is too close-minded to ever be swayed, or he/she is too drunk to know what he/she is talking about, but I just can't stop!
Duster - Have the numbers and survery result already come out for the 2012/2013 ski season showing that numbers were down, especially among families, because of the WSJ article? Can you provide a link?
You do realize that WSJ article would not mean a thing had Lisa/Kelly, who both share similar, false views about MMJ as you, not interjected their fear-mongering into the discussion, right? Probably not. The argument that this will hurt our tourism industry has absolutely no merit. It's simply a fabricated concept based on lies and false perceptions. Get that through your head.
Do you think that the WSJ article is as bad or worse than the horribly slanderous article written by Kelly Bastone about the ski area's security measures?
June 24, 2011 at 12:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Skifree -- Right on!! One of the many restaurants I worked at kept a 3-foot Graphics bong in the walk-in, for anybody's use. No laws in that room; even the owner would turn around and leave. Another time Larry at the Riverbend caught me blowing smoke out the vent, literally came for my throat -- had my back reached the wall, the scene would have changed rapidly; he was firing me along the way. But I looked him in the eye and said Larry, you don't want to do that... and soon he agreed, released me to return to my pot and pans.
A good diver is hard to find in this town. I got high with at least half my bosses. They loved me, especially when the health inspector came around. Anybody who believes it's any different, in any kitchen in this town (or bar, or jobsite (sorry Fred)) is sadly delusional. Some day Duster will look back and say I can't believe I wrote that &%*#...
June 24, 2011 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
In regards to marijuana's effect on ski-town tourism. Take Breckenridge for example... This community, a few years back, LEGALIZED the possession of up to 1oz of marijuana for ANYONE OVER 21...no medical need necessary. They, also, have 6 operating Medical Marijuana Centers in their city limits. This was national news, in many more news facets than the Wall Street Journal.
Now, if marijuana was detrimental to Breckenridge's tourism, how is it that their mountain does exponentially more business than most resort communities? Right now, on their mountain, they are constructing a nice new lift to Peak 6, which I'm sure was pricy. The tourism happened to increase at Breck...go figure.
Maybe your pessimistic side is blinding you to the fact that the WSJ article may actually attract people to our community??
June 24, 2011 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Characteristics of an ALCOHOLIC (compiled from several sources online):
".Alcoholics ...
...have difficulty in following an idea through from beginning to end.
...lie when it would be just as easy to tell the truth.
...have difficulty having fun.
...take themselves very seriously.
...overreact to changes over which they have no control.
...tend to lock themselves into a course of action without giving serious consideration to alternative behaviors or possible consequences. This impulsivity leads to confusion, self loathing, and loss of control of their environment."
Anybody else see some similarities? I'm just sayin' ...
June 24, 2011 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Okay, I've got to share a secret: In between the graphs and this forum, I've been working on a virus of a new sort; this is really cool!! Up 'til now, if you wanted to snoop somebody out, on the Internet, their IP trail would only go back to their ISP, detail beyond that buried in their access logs and available only by subpoena. So you knew what town they were in, but that's about it. [smarter hackers, please bear with me now] Well with my new sniffer, it'll do the reverse-mapping thing, looking into their DNS zone files, crawling backwards through the wires, to the very computer you specify. Next time they touch their computer, two days later they sniffling and sneezing.
I'm just sayin', you should be careful what you say in this forum...
June 24, 2011 at 12:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Nice, Rhys :-) Good thing you don't have a mean streak, lol!
June 24, 2011 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Highway go back to your chairlift and wait for next season. Your too much a lightweight to get in this conversation.
June 24, 2011 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
I certainly hope that these anti-MMJ people will be consistent and speakout against the new narcotics dispensary (AKA Walgreens) that is having its foundation worked on today.
For the record, I am not in any way opposed to the Walgreens, but they dispense much, much more dangerous medicines. Believe it or not, Duster, many of the patients to whom these highly addictive, potentially fatal medicines are dispensed might not have an actual ailment. Instead, they have a troubling addiction to opiates or amphetamines, so they abused the system in order to obtain their fix.
I'm not saying pharmacies are bad. I'm just imploring these MMJ opponents to keep their arguments fair and balanced.
June 24, 2011 at 1:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
My God in Heaven!
I go out to run a few errands this morning and come back to this? Wow. This one's really picking up some speed.
Anyway, Dusted...., you're just as delusional as we've all assumed you to be. And if you think for a second that I get any monetary gain out of what I say on these comment boards, then you're double nuts.
The only payment I get out of all of this is the nurturing of the hope that one day things will change. That, and the occasional hand-shake, high-five and/or "thank you" from a select few people who have met me and been made aware of my alias on here, but that's more of a bonus really. And that's all plenty enough for me. I'm not in this for any sort of personal recognition or personal gain. Sure, the effect(s) of the change that I fight for will benefit me and my life(among countless thousands of others), but that isn't my inspiration or motivation.
Mainly, I fight against the idea that so many of you naysayers cling on to, through thick and thin. Somehow, somewhere along the way, you've all developed this sense of entitlement that tells you that it's your God-given right to lord over people about what they're allowed to do with their own bodies. And it has to stop. Hell or high-water, it's gotta stop. I know I sure don't want any more of my tax dollars going towards this failed conquest of imposed morality standards that we've all come to know as the "War on Drugs." Stop the waste, we're too broke to carry on with it any longer.
And to boot, we've got WAY more important things to worry about in this country other than whether or not someone uses cannabis.
June 24, 2011 at 1:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Phobia, you really should look at what the voters approved. It is for the medical use of MJ. if you want to legalize start a new blog. This is about providing alternatives to terminally ill patients, not some POTHEAD looking for their next fix. Go back to the closet and turn your grow light back on. Come-out when you can make some sense.
June 24, 2011 at 1:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BillyD (anonymous) says...
Dusty,
Its not a matter of how long you lived in town, I agree. Just don't tell me, oh how town has changed, after being here for two years. That was the original point. One you didn't seem to pick up on. I think Jim hit the nail on the head with, why do you care so much. Do you really think it is effecting your quality of life. Lots of people seem to not want anyone to tell them what to do, but feel the need to do so themselves.
BTW Consider this a snack, but in general don't feed the trolls
June 24, 2011 at 1:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG your doing a great job on making money off of all the users. It must be great to take all of your experience and put it into a POT dispensary.......er a legal business. I'm sure you don't look over your back waiting for the other shoe to drop. Whats the going reimbursement for a script from the phoney doctor. Does he have to sign a contract to close so many a day. how bout residuals. this sounds just like the American way. you probably developed your experise over some time before it was legal. No wonder POT is as prolific as you think it is. Just in your own mind. Yeah keep thinking that you are in the right and in the majority for the bell tolls for you.
June 24, 2011 at 1:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
And Dusted-
Please provide some reference for your obsession with the whole "terminally ill" thing. As far as I know, that terminology isn't used in the legislation. I believe it's something to the effect of "qualifying medical condition."
I'm not sure where you get off thinking that Amendment 20 is strictly for the people that are all about to face their imminent death, but it sure would interesting to find out.
June 24, 2011 at 1:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Duster -- HOW THICK IS YOUR SKULL? This is NOT about terminally ill patients; it's about anybody who qualifies for a card, which you surely will, as soon as they admit psychological problems too.
June 24, 2011 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Pothead, like I said, please notify all of us when you get in the car. I want to ensure everyone is off the road while you go out for your munchies.
June 24, 2011 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I don't get in the car. Or don't you read?
June 24, 2011 at 1:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Duster -- sounds to me like you're the one we should worry about. Why don't you provide us with a name, like so many other fine folks have? Ya chicken?
June 24, 2011 at 1:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Highway. How thick is your skull? How about a drag a doctor into town who prescribes crack, heroin or cocaine and set up a pharmacy. You can be the first victim...I mean patient. SELF MEDICATION is not the answer. Get yourself some help. If not for yourself how about some common concern for those of us that have to put up with you everyday while you figure out which shirt to wear or if you can get to work on time.
June 24, 2011 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Well now you're making sense. [Editor: Do you screen the drunks?]
June 24, 2011 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
You can see who I am. WHO ARE YOU, BIG-MOUTH???
June 24, 2011 at 1:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Highway read the blog and try to keep up in between your bong hits and kitchen duty. maybe you can get a promotion from an assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant of the prep chef to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the assistant prep chef
June 24, 2011 at 1:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
highway-
It's okay, let him go. All he's doing is adding to the pile of lunacy that the anti-cannabis crowd has accrued for themselves and he certainly is doing anything to strengthen their case.
June 24, 2011 at 1:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Pothead whats your qualifying condition? Bad back, hang nail, stub your toe. You put to shame the real professionals that treat individuals everyday with life threatening medical conditions.
June 24, 2011 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Yeah you can educate the ignorant, but you can't fix stupid. His stupidity is self-evident.
June 24, 2011 at 1:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Here we go with the "life-threatening" again. I'm tellin ya, THICK.
June 24, 2011 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Boo Hoo the anti-cannabis crowd took away my MMJ. Get a life...Start contributing. Get out of your drug induced coma, stop SELF MEDICATING yourself. Live your Life without drugs. When was the last time you went without POT.....months, years. how does the chain and ball feel?
June 24, 2011 at 1:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Highway go back to your chairlift. Come back when you can actually participate in a discussion.
June 24, 2011 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Purple Kush mixed with Astro Boy feels great!!
June 24, 2011 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I wouldn't leave now!! Not when you are so enlightening!!
June 24, 2011 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
POTHEAD the one that has the Key is the same on that gives away free samples at the Dispensary.
June 24, 2011 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
And again I ask: WHO ARE YOU, IDIOT???
June 24, 2011 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Change your life or keep what you are doing. You'll wake up 20 years from now accomplishing nothing and blaming the qualifying condition (or maybe you have). Coulda woulda shoulda
June 24, 2011 at 1:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Feverishly, he forges ahead to make even more of a fool out of himself than we ever could have imagined.
Thanks Dusty.
June 24, 2011 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Here's one of my favorites....
Hey Dust-
How about good ol' George Washington? What are your thoughts on him? Big fan?
.
June 24, 2011 at 1:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
POTHEAD: Sorry if I covered a grounder or two of yours; I thought he was talking to me.
Duster: In your whole life you will never create anything half as intricate or technical as the system I am now marketing on the Internet. What have you accomplished?
Maybe that'll give us some clue as to who you are -- or more likely, who you are not.
June 24, 2011 at 1:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Alcoholic, while you seem to have a grasp on reading and writing, you clearly have problems with comprehension. Your responses make absolutely no sense. You're like talking to a door knob. Please notify us when you are sober and can focus. And while you're waiting to get straightened up, see if this sounds like anybody you know:
closed-mind·ed, adj. " Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas."
June 24, 2011 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Phobia your so good at looking up words how about this one
Drug addict: any person who is abnormally dependent on narcotic drugs.
Sounds about right
June 24, 2011 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
There ya go, Duster -- you're catching on!! Weed is COOL in this town!! Always has been.
June 24, 2011 at 1:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
highway i've done more in my little finger that you have ever or will ever accomplish. Go back to your chairlift and rest a little bit my tired old POTHEAD.
June 24, 2011 at 1:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Pothead. You don't like it when people get in your face with opposing views. Thats how the majority of people feel about you. Let me know when you have that "grass" roots demonstration scheduled. I'm sure it will be a terrific turnout....Family's, children, politician's........Dispensary Owners, Patients,,,,,er POTHEADS, Growers, Enablers, Distributors......
June 24, 2011 at 1:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Dust-
You have to be absolutely, three-or-four-sheets to the wind, hammered drunk right now. I don't know if I've ever seen such incoherent babble from someone on your side of the debate. At least the other debaters have half a handle on complete sentence formation. Geez.
June 24, 2011 at 1:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
POTHEAD Whose debating?
June 24, 2011 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
We hear all this bs, but we see nothing. You are an entire act, and no more. A big line. All talk and no substance. You won't even tell us who you are, because if we know, then we'd know why we're hearing this inane blather, non-stop. Did they get a computer at Horizon's? (And I mean no disrespect to my Horizons friends; I think we have a candidate for you.) You are nothing but hot air, IDIOT. I suggest professional help, soon.
June 24, 2011 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
POTHEAD others in the community may be afraid to speak up and challenge the minority. A reckoning time is fast approaching. You better make sure your script is topped off at all times because when it happens it's going to go really fast.
June 24, 2011 at 1:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Alcoholic, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but marijuana is not a narcotic. I think this may be the crux of your problem. You are completely ignorant on the subject. That explains why it scares you so much. Why don't you take a breath, open your mind, ask some intelligent questions and we will try to educate you? I'm serious.
June 24, 2011 at 1:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG your going to need to think through your pricing strategy on this. You know you don't want to get stuck with a lot of inventory. High prices till near the end then discount everything in the hopes you fire sell everything you have. Whatever is left you should either donate to the terminally ill or as a good gesture drop it off at the police station. it will go a long way for your PR.
June 24, 2011 at 1:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Phobia, you should really go back to your dictionary. no really
June 24, 2011 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Duster -- Even if the President brought all the troops home, and sent them after us evil potheads, they would LOSE. We've got 'em outnumbered 20 to 1, or better. Nothing is going to stop it; nothing ever has. Your mistake is thinking we are a minority, but the elections will tell that story soon enough, right? 'Til then, take a chill pill!!
June 24, 2011 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Highway the community can take care of You POTHEADS without the president or the troops. It's going to happen in November Silly. Now go back to your chairlift.
June 24, 2011 at 2:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Alcholic, really? That's all you've got???? "People fear what they don't understand and hate what they can't conquer."
June 24, 2011 at 2:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
Duster,
I've only been alive for 25 + years, and I would bet my life that you've never come close to the educational, professional or athletic attainment that I have. I don't know who you are, but just by the way you present yourself on this forum, it's a pretty fair assumption. The educational one is easy given the fact that you have the English skills of a 3rd grader who just moved to the states from Russia.
Here's the catch, Duster - I've done it all while consistently living what an ignoramus like you would consider the "pothead" lifestyle. This will really scare you, but there is a plethora of highly educated, highly successful individuals in this very community who use marijuana.
If you would just do the tiniest amount of research, you would find out that marijuana does not kill brain cells; does not promote laziness; does not hinder motivation; is not as addicting as alcohol, tobacco, adderrall, percocet, xanax, etc; and on and on. Sadly, America's, and very possibly yours, substance of choice is booze, and booze carries with it many of the horribly detramental side effects that marijuana does not.
You have been brainwashed, little fella. I am beginning to think that you are only sticking to your guns because you're afraid to admit that everything you've been told your entire life may not be so. It's ok, buddy. No one here is going to judge you for being honest with yourself. Going against the grain and attempting to stand in the way of societal progress all in the name of pride is just going to make your life more difficult.
June 24, 2011 at 2:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jimmmmmm (anonymous) says...
One more thing to add, and then I'm done with Duster-I can guarantee forever. Many of us came here for the same reasons, and many of us stayed here for the same reasons. Some of them being that the town was/is full of like-minded people, and people didn't/don't seem to be concerned with people's personal business. Aside from the countless other benefits of living in this town, people didn't sweat the small stuff; and with respect to the topic, people didn't make a big deal out of weed.
Thankfully, most of this still exists. However, now we've got people like Dr. Victory and the most clueless of all-Duster, trying to change things.
If there is one thing I hope you're right about Duster, it's that hopefully this 'pot town' keeps more people like you, and people who think like you, from moving here.
I think I hear that small religious town in Oklahoma calling you, begging for you to move back. (Sorry, I'm not trying to offend anyone from Oklahoma, just dimwit).
June 24, 2011 at 2:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Smurf we were wondering where you were. It took you a long time to compose that. Did you do it in a group with the plethora of highly educated, highly successful individuals in this very community? Sounds about right.
June 24, 2011 at 2:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
We won't be troubled by Duster's presence much longer. If he hasn't yet, he will soon figure out that we really don't like bigots, rednecks, and judgmental people here. Most of us weren't born here; Duster certainly wasn't. Many of used moved here to enjoy a freedom of lifestyle the likes of Duster et al strive to take away. They're fighting the tide, and once they realize that, they'll move on, like so many before them.
June 24, 2011 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
JIMMY wake up you are the minority. As a matter of fact if the mountain was not here you wouldn't be either. As far how long you've lived in the valley who cares? People wont tell you to your face but they will vote in november for thier families and schools, law enforcement, business. They will sweat the POTHEADS in the community. Better make sure your stash is safe.....
June 24, 2011 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Highway you should run for mayor. It almost brought a tear to my eye. Just drape the flag in the background and you are all set. times running our for you. The light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. Better get off the track unless you want to get run over.
I hope GG has secured his business records to ensure confidentiality. I would hate for the MMJ records to get published or audited..........now or in several years. Could damage someones reputation POTHEAD
June 24, 2011 at 2:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Alcoholic, has it escaped your notice that you are the minority in this forum? What do you think that says? And, if you choose to respond, try to be relevant.
June 24, 2011 at 2:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I've been assuming Duster is a male, silly me. I'll bet she's getting a good chuckle over that one!! The Mystery Idiot.
June 24, 2011 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I'll tell you what'll damage your reputation, Duster, and that's if we ever find out who you are!!
June 24, 2011 at 2:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
Dusty, it has felt fantastic to put all my experience to work in a POT dispensary. It has been very rewarding. And for the last year and half, Natural Choice operated as a non-profit, so keep barking and keep looking ridiculous. I am leaving Natural Choice to start a different business here in town that does not dispense MMJ, but is a resource center for patients, caregivers and MMC's. This business can not be banned. And don't worry about Natural Choice and it's business strategies, it is doing just fine. So, whatever you think is going to happen because of a vote in November won't accomplish much. Now, expect your personal attack on who I am and where I live. You act like you know who I am.....do you? Why don't you let us know who you are? Scared? You take shots at me like you know me. I want to be able to do the same thing, if I know you too. 'cause none of us are perfect my friend...and your bitterness comes from somewhere...most likely from your choice of profession. What is it? Or was it?
btw, as I said before, I did not get into this to make money....and honestly, we haven't made any real money yet. Natural Choice started 100% from scratch and is now a fully functioning business, hiring employees and nearly 100% paid up on all debts. You may not think it is a legitimate business, but, luckily, we didn't have to come to you for our business license.
June 24, 2011 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
Sorry little guy. I thought it would be rude to continue to comment while I was at lunch with other human beings. What's this "we" business? I don't know of anyone else wondering where I was.
Yes, the people I ate lunch with are all highly educated, highly successful individuals from this very community. They smoke marijuana but don't drink or do other drugs. Weird.
I find it ironic that you are questioning my intelligence by using my words, verbatim, to make a point. Did you have to google the meaning of plethora? You would not have known how to spell that word had I not used it in a sentence for you.
Do you know what ignoramus means? That one word describes you perfectly!
You, sir, are now two words smarter because of this pothead! You are welcome.
June 24, 2011 at 2:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Alcoholic, I'd be happy to lend you my dictionary :-)
June 24, 2011 at 2:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
And show you how to use it, with no financial gain whatsoever.
June 24, 2011 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
OK, Blythe..... So when does The Pilot and Today draw the line... when we use profanity? or just plaster the comment boards with ridiculousness and it's fine, right?
I know of people deleted for way less than this Duster clown. What gives? Is Duster a local cop? Maybe a sheriff? Is this clown posting from The Pilot and Today's headquarters or what? This is out of hand. Just plain stupid now.
June 24, 2011 at 2:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Yeah guys, I've got to agree -- why an I wasting my time on this intellectual void? Why do I have to keep checking back, to see what cheap snipe I must now respond to? Unlike some people, apparently, I at least delude myself that I have a real life, and I thought I was eager to get moving on my new graphs, but this has proven too compelling. This has been so ludicrous, that I now wonder like JJ, what's the real scoop, this can't be for real, there's nobody that stupid.
This just reinforces a previous theorum I've advanced, that nobody comes to these forums to learn, but to bang their own drum. The only interesting statistic I've garnered through all these discussions is how long-term pot smokers are 65% LESS likely to get cancer, of any type, than non-tokers, so I've always got that going for me.
And with that I will bid you all a fond adieu, unfortunately in favor of a machine (better company than some people). I've got to get something done, create something.
What will you create today, Duster? I can't wait to hear. Along with your latest insult, which I will reply to tomorrow. Ciao, y'all!!
June 24, 2011 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG you have a license? That would be news to everyone. Heck I can't get anything done without a permit. Why the special treatment. oh I know its because of all the terminally ill patients your serving.
June 24, 2011 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
highway Like I said don't operate any heavy machinery or drive. If you had an accident and someone got hurt I would hate to see you charged. Your better off taking the bus and staying either on your chair or in the kitchen. This discussion is way above your head.
June 24, 2011 at 3:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. This forum is about MMJ not legalizing POT. Start you own blog on that subject.
June 24, 2011 at 3:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I can't resist... Yeah come over, big-brain, show me how to work this heavy equipment. I got $500 says you can't edit a simple text file. Bet?
June 24, 2011 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Phobia that sounds like a non profit ;)
June 24, 2011 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
You know if you really want to put forth a cooperative plan to handle the communities concerns that would be great. However if you want to keep pushing, you likely will not get what you want. I will admit I don't know everything but neither do you.
How can you turn this into a positive with ideas that will make the community safer? What can be tolerated and what cannot? What will work and won't work...for both sides. You can let the voters decide, but I think a better plan is to reach a consensus taking everyone's' views into consideration. Hanging your hat on MMJ is the wrong approach. You have to reach out to the community. They are telling you they are not comfortable with this.
June 24, 2011 at 3:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
Duster - please learn the difference between "your" and "you're".
1) YOUR = Second person possesive adjective
2) YOU'RE = Contraction of "you are"
Got it? You have learned at least three things from me today! Hope YOU'RE having a great day in YOUR sorrowful reality!
June 24, 2011 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Answer my question, Alcoholic. Why do you think you are the minority in this forum?
June 24, 2011 at 3:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
We are all paid $0.... we all volunteer. Look it up.
June 24, 2011 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
And unlike most non-profits....we have paid sales taxes to the city, state and county for well over a year.
You don't fool me.
June 24, 2011 at 3:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
Lisa Watts, Kelly Victory and Duster does not = THE COMMUNITY tell using they are "not comfortable with this".
June 24, 2011 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
Dirty, the City issued licenses to us 3 business from Feb. 2010 - 2011 and we all 3 currently hold licenses until Feb. of 2012. Shocked?
June 24, 2011 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Up for a quick breath... the graphs go well. This is gonna be SO COOL, that's what'll put my software over the top; I'll sell it for millions. Retire. Then I'll buy Alpine Taxi, so they have to come and pick me up whenever I want. Maybe we can swing by and pick you up, Duster, go tip one or two, my treat. Ya got something better going on? We'll drop you off too. You might want to stick your head out the window on the way; even the back of the limo can get smoky. Anyway, I'll wrap that up in a minute; what I meant to say was
What makes you think your views are the majority in this town? One indicator?
Whew, now back to the real world.
June 24, 2011 at 3:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
This comment section has become one big turdshow.... Thanks, Duster.
June 24, 2011 at 4:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
This is the end result of painkiller addiction. Feel safe with pharmacies around?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_cr...
June 24, 2011 at 4:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG your commercial ventures certainly interest the community. Paid nothing? Paid Taxes? What legitimate non profit pays taxes? Gee I wonder how the money was raised to open the business..........Go start your own turd show about legalizing MJ.
If this any indication, I'm sure your scripts are all in order and each patient has a qualifying condition "wink wink'. Michael Jackson also had a "qualifying condition" and was monitored by a "professional" care giver. What do you know other than being able to fill baggies and turn the grow lights on.
Grow-up and get a real business that contributes something to the community.
June 24, 2011 at 4:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Smurf Thanks for the English lesson. Any thought on how you can positively impact the communities loss of faith on the MMJ? Try hard other than showing statistics that it won't kill you. that's what they said about tobacco.
June 24, 2011 at 4:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG I forgot. You can operate a scale.
June 24, 2011 at 4:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
DUSTER! When you ask questions, they are answered. Several people have asked you direct questions. Why are you not able to answer them?
June 24, 2011 at 4:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
Plenty of non-profit's pay sales taxes on transactions of goods....look into it, I said. I have a college degree, worked plenty of jobs and am married. The money to start our business, is exactly that...our business. It was mere pennies, I'll tell ya that much, so don't lose sleep at night wondering.
You my friend, can grow-up, tell us who you are, what you do, and what gives you the right to attack anyone.
This YOUR turdshow, Duster.... what's next?
June 24, 2011 at 4:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
To think operating an MMC is simply bagging up some weed, selling it and turning some grow lights on and off, proves to me that to further comment to you, Duster, is pointless. Commerical, medical-grade, MMJ gardens are more sophisticated than any indoor growing one can do. The plants need constant attention and the design of the grows are extremely scientific to steadily control the environment. Besides who I am, personally, relating to MMJ and the knowledge I have brought and will continue to bring to this world needs not to be explained to you. I'm sure you will somehow degrade me and my college education. So it's pointless. I have concluded my work here.
Carry on everyone. There is nothing left to see here.
June 24, 2011 at 5:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Agreed. Aloha.
June 24, 2011 at 5:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG I don't know of any non profits that do. They all have tax exempt status....Why do you pay taxes.......can anyone say IRS. I sure you think your role of measuring the right amount of water and turning the grow lights is very important. you probably decide on the names of strains you sell. Whatever you it doesn't make any difference that's why they call it a weed......You should go back to testing the product. Through the seeds anywhere you want and they will grow. I mean it sounds like your a scientist.!
June 24, 2011 at 7:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG I did not know a care givers were trained to be experts at growing POT.
June 24, 2011 at 7:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Yeah Skif you keep telling yourself that and someday you will believe it.
June 24, 2011 at 7:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Skif you own this blog because the majority of people in the community don't care what you do. They will all vote in November and you will be back hiding your stash in your drawer.
June 24, 2011 at 7:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
You really don't know what we are voting on do you?
June 24, 2011 at 7:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
Someone seems tired and cranky because of all of this blogging they have been doing.
June 24, 2011 at 7:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
It was only a matter of time before the little fella tuckered himself out.
June 24, 2011 at 8:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Sometimes too much thinkin' just wears a feller out. See ya 'round!!
June 24, 2011 at 8:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bandmama (anonymous) says...
ok. let's clarify things. (so we DONT HURT THE CHILDREN!)
I say, stop spraying for white tops weeds COUNTY wide. NO more plastic bags for poopy pickups (how long do plastic bags take to turn to soil??? AHhh never.) NO more peanut products of ANY kind, as some poor kid, who has a parent SOMEWHERE,who is not watching their kid, but expect EVERYONE else to.. they may touch a tainted product in a public grocery store & die). NO MORE SOAP! No plastic! NO more WHEAT to be sold in grocery stores!!! The gluten may KILL someone. OMG!!! There are dangers out in the world! And to those that think that the Earth is only "less than 10,000 yrs OLD? ..What a scary place!!!!! To those that think that "inflation" only refers to MONEY..( ahh forget physics..).MY Goodness!!!EVERYTHING in the world MUST be "SCARY"
Lets continue to complain about the failure of public schools , and beat down anyone who questions the so called "dangers" that our children are in DO NOT think outside if any box! DO not explore boundries! IT is a scary world. AND whatever you do to protect a "child" DO not let them read, explore, or question YOUR thoughts and teachings...Do not let them take a good old gander at things that MAY sort of have a different view at. DO NOT let them question current medicine and oh my..MAKE educated decisions....that may be dangerous to pre concieved notions and someones opinion of right or wrong. Wake up. And smell your Starbucks. I COULD say so much more but apparently, I would cause harm to "the children" Darn kids trying to use the minds we TELL them to use, darn them for for thinking something SOMEthing else may have a valid point... stupid book learning. .
June 25, 2011 at 1:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bandmama (anonymous) says...
And oh yeah... is anyone else disturbed that the current cannibas thing is dusting over the fact that a violent sexual D*ck is being released into our community? One freaking comment? (and the good old doc is not the only one I ask this to) Anyone care to discuss the danger there to our children???? Bet a buck it isn't going to be the good old dr who says that MaryJane gives no benefit to a chemo patient. We sure wouldn't want to hurt the children. Dr Watts, this is a call to you. Make a stand. A plant that may alleviate someones pain? OR get on the bandwagon about a convicted sex perv. Where is it that you draw a line as to what REALLY is a danger to the youth?. And something that time and time again been proven to offer relief to those who have a REAL medical reason to take. You are making mockery of medicine, AND the intelligence of this community. I PROMISE, I will try not to make another judgemental call. But as long as YOU do so. I feel a responsibility to speak out...
June 25, 2011 at 1:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
So, Blythe... Did The Pilot delete Duster?? I know many people that have been deleted for much more tame comments than this douchebag. What gives?
June 25, 2011 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG Strap on the man pants and buck up. You think you can hoodwink everybody into thinking a non profit pays taxes? Your paying the taxes so you don't go to jail when this falls apart.......Don't wanna make the same mistake as Al Capone. I'm sure deep down you agree with what were saying, It's just since you can't legalize MJ with a vote, you want everyone to get a script. Your suggestion that growing pot takes a lot of attention is probably right when your blowing a doobie. Like I said start you own blog on this and stop participating in the MMJ debate. You put to shame every terminally ill patient who ever used or thought about using MMJ. Go back to being a dealer, I mean caregiver. You days are numbered selling dope....I mean operating a dispensary. The votes a comin and you have a chance to get on the train or it will leave without you. Your choice.
June 25, 2011 at 12:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Skif, your gonna see what your voting on shortly. A lot of public input and thought is going to be focused on writing this piece of legislation. You wont be able to steamroll your way through this with all the attention being focused on it. Background Checks, Urine Samples, Blood tests, Financial Records, Bank Statements, Tax returns, Ownership Information, Review Boards, Prescription Training, Testing requirements, Limit Requirements, second opinions, driving tests, disability counseling, DUI limits, I'm sure the community can come together and really start to pick this apart and do a really deep dive into all of this. I hope you didn't make any long term plans and sure hope that Non-profit has a 503C PAC arm, cause your going to need it.
June 25, 2011 at 12:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
Duster, you seem to not be listening to anything I'm saying. The City of Steamboat issued us a Sales Tax ID....so did the State and County. 501(c)3 Non-profits are tax-exempt. State-based Non-Profit Cooperative Associations PAY SALES TAXES.
You are delirious.
And that last comment made me laugh out loud.
I already mentioned once that I am stepping out of the MMJ dispensing. I will forever continue to grow my own. Probably right next door to you, Duster. My new endeavor will cater to the needs of patients and caregivers. I will teach them the SCIENCE of growing their own cannabis, because the vote won't ban that. I will teach them all to properly make extracts and edibles, supplying the entire region with all the fridge necessities of the MMJ Industry.
The vote is no worry of mine. But, that's mostly because I am fairly certain that the vote will keep MMJ in the Steamboat and Oak Creek...I am not holding my breathe for unincorporated Routt...I forsee a ban coming in that vote, for sure.
How old are you, Duster?? Al Capone? Hoodwinked? LOL.... Go slick you hair down with some DapperDan ya old-timer, the whiskey still is a bubblin', and the spit can is fillin' up. Go stomp your feet and shine your hat. Time to tip it to all the folks in town that love you.
I don't fear going to jail. I haven't broke any laws.
June 25, 2011 at 1:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DrGreenGenes (JJ Southard) says...
I invite you to come to Natural Choice, Duster. Point yourself out to me. I dying to put a face to your BS.
June 25, 2011 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I'm sure it's the perfect face for this medium, which explains why it wastes so much time here. If the looks resemble the character, I'll bet it's hideous.
June 25, 2011 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
Okay, sounds good duster I am an expert in all those categories.. I was born ready !
June 26, 2011 at 12:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Something tells me that Dust and the others have ZERO interest in any of those facts. I don't know if I'd be all that concerned about being able to provide those facts to them, mainly because they'll either be too unbelievable to them or just deemed completely irrelevant by them.
Either way, I wouldn't be expecting anyone from the naysayers' side of the debate to actually acknowledge any reality that comes from anyone of us.
June 26, 2011 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LisaWatts (Lisa Watts) says...
http://www.steamboattoday.com/news/20...
Now, lemme see if I can list all those standard excuses:
He's got a card, he has rights.
He is suffering from the extreme pain of running an illegal business
People really function at higher levels of competency when high
It's a cop conspiracy
Blame everything on the drunks, cuz we all know stoners don't drive high
I know there are many, many others, but I am really busy and I've got things to do. Oh, and gee looks like there was another one busted as well.
Facts folks, just the facts.
June 27, 2011 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
Lisa,
It is so exciting that you are ready to start focusing on the FACTS surrounding this issue! Here is a fact - even if marijuana were 100% legalized for recreational use, driving high would still be illegal. So, what's your point?
Here are some other facts for you. They have been presented numerous times on these forums, but I will just assume your computer screen is broken as you have not yet paid attention to these interesting facts:
- It's impossible to overdose on marijuana
- The myth that marijuana is a gateway drug has been busted
- The myth that marijuana kills brain cells has been busted
- Marijuana is a proven medical remedy for numerous ailments, most notably, chronic pain. It will not work for everyone in pain, but who are you to tell someone else what is and is not the right choice for pain relief? I find it surprising that you would rather your family be prescribed prescription painkillers, which kill tens of thousand of people every year (including Tylenol), as opposed to marijuana, which kills zero people annually
- Driving while impaired by anything is crazy and should be illegal as you are putting others in harms way, but it has been proven that someone driving while high on marijuana is much less of a risk than someone who has been drinking alcohol
- You have absolutely zero evidence supporting your postulation that having MMCs in our community will negatively impact our youth. That is simply baseless speculation on your part. If that's the stance you're going to take, we should both agree that closing down bars and liquor stores is a much more realistic and effective approach
Those are facts, not opinions.
It's truly sad how the Tea Party has become a party of "keep government out of our lives only if it is convenient for us and congruent with our belief system." You have absolutely no right to tell someone what they can or cannot do in their private lives as long as what they are doing does not harm anyone else. Butt the F out.
I'm sure you're busy telling the homosexuals in New York that they shouldn't be getting married because it goes against your personal belief system even thought it does not impact your life or well being in any way, shape or form.
Facts Lisa, just the facts.
June 27, 2011 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
I have a question I'm sure somebody here knows the answer to :-) When cited for driving drunk, it is based on an actual test performed at the scene (blowing into that thingy). On what do they base a DUID citation? Is there a test, or do they just assume you're stoned if they find a pipe or some weed in your car?
June 27, 2011 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
They will demand a blood or urine test. Blowing is not an option. And a DUI(D) counts the same on your record as if you were drunk. It's a fun State of affairs.
June 27, 2011 at 1:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
So, at what point is the test given? Before or after they book you?
June 27, 2011 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jimmmmmm (anonymous) says...
Lisa,
I'm having trouble following your point. Are you alerting the forum community that someone was arrested for DUID, therefore justifying your position, or is it a juvenile "I told you so" moment for you to point out that people get arrested when driving impaired. Is that your idea of a fact?
Thank you for your diligent investigative work. Well done Lisa.
Amazing.
June 27, 2011 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Phoebe -- The test is performed first, then you are booked, assuming positive results. Since pot stays in your system so long, it becomes a matter of concentration; what level qualifies as impaired remains subject to legal dispute, although I have learned from hard experience, I am far better at talking about disputing things than actually doing it. A real attorney is well worth the money, I also learned the hard way, and should it become an issue.
June 27, 2011 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
For anyone who thinks marijuana is going to terrorize our youth, your focus is a bit misplaced: http://www.scientificamerican.com/art...
June 27, 2011 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RobDouglas (Rob Douglas) says...
Today, the editorial board of one of the most prominent conservative publications in the country - the National Review - published an editorial today stating that medical marijuana should be viewed as a states' rights issue. see: http://www.nationalreview.com/article...
The National Review also came out in support of the Barney Frank/Ron Paul legislation stating: "A bill introduced by Reps. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) and Ron Paul (R., Texas) would remove the federal roadblock to state marijuana reform, and though the Republican House seems almost certain to reject it, the proposal deserves support from across the political spectrum."
In my opinion, the editors at the National Review are correct and this is a battle that true believers in states' rights, members of the liberty movement and civil libertarians of all stripes should join.
While this may not be the battle that many of us who wish to see the 10th Amendment restored to its appropriate prominence within the Bill of Rights would have selected as the ground upon which to take a stand, it is nonetheless a battle that has presented itself and will determine who truly believes in states' rights and who just mouthed the words when it was politically convenient.
June 27, 2011 at 4:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Thanks, Rhys :-) I was going to stay out of this, but this forum is my new "crack". I asked because of the Jail Report, since Lisa was so keen to point out the DUIDs. (But I think JIm has established that it was just her "nanny nanny boo boo" moment. Yep, I think you're right, Jim.) It just made me wonder what the procedure for pot was, as compared to alcohol. I'd like to know what the DUI to DUID ratio is during various time periods, over about the last 5 or ten years. I'm sure somebody has those numbers ... But my glaucoma really hurts from being on the computer all day, so I'm going to go pop some hydrocodone, fire up the bong, throw back a couple shots of tequila and see if I can get my big a$$ F-150 to do 100mph over Rabbit Ears. mmj22, you ready?
June 27, 2011 at 4:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Jeff_Kibler (inactive user) says...
Brutal, Phoebe, just plain brutal.
Are we oozing out facetiousness?
Excellent!
Once small preference: I'd go for oxycodone instead.
June 27, 2011 at 5:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LisaWatts (Lisa Watts) says...
Agreed Rob. Bottomline, my point exactly. Take the fight to where it needs to be. In the meantime, while it all remains a legal minefield with an unknown fiscal abyss of epic proportions to our small communities, the prudent decision for those govering our communities and making these decisions needs to be one of defense and not reckless offense in a decades old fight where the "industry" has never won. Particularly given the current camps being drawn. Unless our county, our city has the very deep pockets to fight for this right in defense of this industry, they have no business doing so as a representation of what is right for the few in a specialty industry.
Unless of course, they competely disclose that they are making this choice, you know like the concept of transparent government.......in which case the SBS City Council might take us up on our offer for an Advisory Board....just sayin since their camp preference seems to be crystal clear.
I just might go further and put the question out there of just why a small community governing body would essentially go to bat for an industry in direct violation of federal law anyway.
What explanation would justify the county, the city fighting this fight? I find it completely irresponsible.
As Rob well knows, I am a states rights advocate. And I am certainly not known for mouthing anything in hopes of being politically convenient. I have absolutely no reason nor political hide on the line to ever waste my time and energy. In fact, I abhor posturing for political hide and have a history of challenging folks that do. I support being politically incorrect at every chance I get and spend a considerable amount of my personal time doing so.
HOWEVER, if I were sitting on any small community governing body at this point in time with the magnitude of fiscal and legislative responsibility to make the defendable decision, there is no way I could careen this community down this road and I'd sure have the guts to say so. I may stand on the street corner with a states rights sign as Lisa Watts, but I would never embroil a small community in between a States & Federal issue in my position as a commissioner or councilman.
Further, in my mind.....this is one helluva long road and ridiculously unreasonable stand to take for states rights. Pushing the Feds to relinquish and let the states govern any of a dozen other issues? I'm in. Pushing and wasting money, time, energy; putting our community in the crosshairs for recreational weed? Nah. Have at it. I'll be done when it is out of our backyard.
FYI: For those not in the know, Skylar happens to own the grow monstrosity in Oak Creek. I thought it was interesting that he, (one of the guys who flies the above mentioned "facts"), was busted. Maybe all those facts will help in his defense. My best advice, go for legalization.......all the "validation" of the industry makes not one minute's worth of difference on any other level.
June 27, 2011 at 6:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
As it's been said before, but it's good to have you back in the mix Lisa. Thanks for conveniently re-joining the conversation. Well rested?
And I'll cut right to the chase...
"Pushing and wasting money, time, energy; putting our community in the crosshairs for recreational weed? Nah. Have at it. I'll be done when it is out of our backyard."
That's your stance, right?
Well, just in case some facts were of any relevancy, here's a running tally of JUST the money that's been wasted(broken down into state and federal tallies) on pursuing this fantasy version of evil just this year alone:
http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock
Just to give some vague reference to the speed at which that clock rolls on through the digits, it's around $500 dollars a second. Again, A singular second. Do I really need to extrapolate that any further?
And what do they(we, being our tax-dollars) have to show for it...AT ALL? Tell me!
Now, that being said, are you sure you want to stand behind THAT kind of waste?
Because I can GUARANTEE that whatever "waste" you're whining about pales in comparison to that figure.
Unless, of coarse, we're going to start hucking real smart bombs at each other. But that's an entirely different debate. I digress....
Basically, you're propping up an unjust war that's been carrying on for well over 70 years. Justify it, reason it out, stand your beliefs up behind it, and PLEASE politicize the ever-loving bah-Jesus out of this thing any which way you can, until you're just spry as a spring chick.
But when you're done tacking Kelly, yourself, and every child in a 1000 mile radius up to that cross, let us know, would ya? It'd be nice to get a little hindsight perspective from you.
June 27, 2011 at 10:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
1Campbell (Kelly Victory) says...
Rob --
I completely agree with you on the states' rights issue --
- I believe the state had every right to put Amendment 20 forth and every right to pass it, despite the fact that marijuana is illegal under federal law.
- I believe in medical marijuana as a responsibly applied clinical therapy.
- I would have voted for Amendment 20 if I had lived in Colorado in 2000.
- I would vote for Amendment 20 today if it were on the ballot again, and I don't give a rat's ass that it is against federal law
What I don't support is that the state exercised its right to legislate and amend its constitution, and then completely failed to oversee and enforce. Did someone forget the "medical" part of the "medical marijuana" language in the Amendment? If they intended to legalize marijuana (which I think would be an absolutely reasonable idea), then they put forth the wrong Amendment. But they had better not dare to propose an Amendment, get the people of Colorado to vote on one thing (medical marijuana) and then ram through another.
When the federal government fails to enforce laws (i.e. illegal immigration), we get all over them and threaten to move control to the states (as we should). Well, it’s no better when the state government exerts its rights, then fails to enforce, and small towns and communities are left to deal with the negative fall-out.
Very few “rights” come without concomitant responsibilities, and I think the state has seriously fumbled on this one.
June 27, 2011 at 10:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
Make fun of Lisa Watts and become threatened with removal.. Make fun of marijuana patients and you will get no warning.. Just as she said. Don't criticize it, LEGALIZE IT !!! Good one of the kingpins of Oak Creeks MMJ scene is now being made an example out of. Well, I have heard of a lot more illegal grow operations down in Oak Creek than legal ones. Maybe you should be concerned about all the non-MMJ patients growing marijuana. Get real and start arresting real criminals.. Stop the discrimination. What ever happened to all being created equal and equal rights? I guess in this town it does not matter. I have seen my fair share of crooked cops and businesses in Steamboat. The only ones with rights are those who are in control and have a stranglehold on the rest of the hard working citizens. No matter what may be right or wrong it's too late. Get prepared to be reprimanded by Nazi like police and Religious haters on there holy high horses!
June 27, 2011 at 10:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Skifreelivelove (anonymous) says...
I would not be surprised if Lisa has received a fat envelope of cash from law enforcement..
June 27, 2011 at 11:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Ski-
It's not a "fat envelope of cash" anymore. It's called a contribution, or contributing support.
June 27, 2011 at 11:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Skif and POTHEAD neither of your are legitimate MMJ patients so it does not matter. If you want to legalize MJ get the petition out like you did for the MMJ. The gig is up in November. Get with it or you will be back in your basement with the grow lights looking behind your backs.
June 28, 2011 at 1:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG your next. Better make sure you keep your product testing in the laboratory.
POTHEAD and SKIF just stay in add continue the bong hits watching TV. Highway Like I said don't operate any heavy machinery or drive.Your better off staying on your chairlift. One down three to go.
Skyler Hartman, 34, Oak Creek — Driving under the influence of drugs, weaving, tags improperly displayed (Steamboat Springs Police Department)
June 28, 2011 at 4:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Wow, somebody's sober enough to type again, and back on the warpath.
June 28, 2011 at 4:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Nanny nanny boo boo to you, too, Puster. That report has already been covered. Try 'n keep up, will ya?
June 28, 2011 at 8:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Dusty-
I'm not even going to address any of your points on this comment. Seems to be the new rule around here.
Instead, how about you go and work on that proof-reading deficit that's nullifying any possible point that you'd ever dream of trying to logically convey to another person on this website.
Fair?
.
June 28, 2011 at 9:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
GG is this the way it works at your dispensary?
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_183...
June 29, 2011 at 6:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Phobia, get your own material.
June 29, 2011 at 6:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Pothead, like I said this is for MMJ not legalizing MJ. Start you own blog if you want to go down that path. Read the article. Sounds like you should be on the lookout for the doctor writing the scripts. Think about it, this person lives in your community and thinks it's alright to prescribe medicine without ever diagnosing the underlying problem....as far a spell checking I do the best I can just like you do when trying to quit your MJ usage.
Hey keep your script topped off...125 days and counting. GG be sure to get you discounted sales planned now, don't want to get caught with a surplus. Oh and be sure not to drive. Don't want to pull a Skyler!
June 29, 2011 at 6:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Any idiot can come on here, grab a screen-name and start yelling. It's really not all that difficult, as you have so succinctly proven(over, and over, and over again).
What can prove to be a little more difficult than that is ACTUALLY debating with someone and responding to their points with something other than just,
"Pothead, like I said this is for MMJ not legalizing MJ. Start you own blog if you want to go down that path."
Get real you bonehead. Get some real points for God's sake.
Hell, I bet even Kelly or Lisa are getting tired of your $#!+ by now.
June 29, 2011 at 7:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
The anti marijuana sheep need to read this article in today's Denver Post. Please consider realigning your priorities.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_183...
June 29, 2011 at 8:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Hey Smurf, please try to keep up. This was already posted.
Does anybody know the names doctor that is prescribing the MJ? Can't be but a few.
Just think of the motherlode they are making. Let's see 1000 prescription at $125 per visit equals
$125,000.00. Not bad for a GP.
Paid in cash and no insurance people looking over your shoulder.....Now that sounds like a good deal.
June 29, 2011 at 9:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
I forgot...scripts are only good for a set period of time and along with the refills before another "examination" and "diagnosis" is required.......
If scripts have to redone every 90 days......with another "office visit" for
$500,000.00
Sounds like everybody gets a cut out of this. Paid in cash. Sure hope the DOC is keeping good records with all the pockets full of cash. i'm sure everything is on the up and up NOT!
June 29, 2011 at 9:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
I was more getting at the fact that this doctor was prescribing a very legal and common prescription drug which killed some of his patients, yet you are getting your panties in a wad about a harmless little plant.
Even if every MMJ doc and every MMJ patient were frauds and liars, you would still never see an article like this as marijuana cannot kill you and has very minimal side effects.
Still not understanding this "terminal illness" concept to which you keep referring. Chronic pain, one of the qualifying conditions for MMJ, is not a terminal illness.
You are truly an obtuse miscreant.
June 29, 2011 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Scott_Wedel (Scott Wedel) says...
And how many patients of these mmj doctors have been killed by mmj? Easy to answer since mmj is not lethal - look it up.
One doctor has 3 patients die of prescription drug overdoses and the only response it warrants is that it was "already posted".
BTW, doctors writing mmj recommendations have to maintain medical records and so on. Thus, while they presumably take cash like anyone else as payment, they also accept checks and credit cards and keep billing records.
June 29, 2011 at 10:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I think we have beat this horse to death. Dustbin, this is the last time I will address you directly. Enjoy it. I won't fall for your petty snipes again. Learn a new song. Grow up.
June 29, 2011 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
125 days
June 29, 2011 at 10:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Smurf it only takes one. But even that won't change your tune. You'll be blaming on the road, or the weather, or the other driver, or etc.. get real!
Skyler Hartman, 34, Oak Creek — Driving under the influence of drugs, weaving, tags improperly displayed (Steamboat Springs Police Department)
June 29, 2011 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
1999 (anonymous) says...
the fact is....dusters incoherent rants, misinformation, lies and general demeanor are pretty representative of the entire anti mmj crowd...so i say keep it up!
Thanks for making my point Duster!!!
June 29, 2011 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Scott you would hope the doctors keep records. I bet a review of the MMJ scripts are centered in one or two doctors. Just like they are for the large Pharma companies. The question is whether these GP's have really been trained to properly evaluate the patients. Have they really tried other scripts, is their really a qualifying event? Seems to me that in most cases these GP's have partnered with the dispensary's and are getting cash and kickbacks. Go to a doctors office at lunch time and watch the Pharma reps coming in with lunch's for the staff. What else is going on here that is hidden from the community?
June 29, 2011 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
Only takes one what? Driving under the influence of marijuana, drugs or booze is stupid and illegal. If a person dies because he's driving high, it wasn't the weed that killed him. It was his reckless behavior. Quit trying to tie my pro marijuana stance into pro driving while intoxicated.
As I've mentioned, your lack of common sense is much more detrimental to society than marijuana could even come close to.
I'm guessing that most normal thinking Americans would throw your credibility out the window as soon as they saw your elementary communication skills. At least Lisa and Kelly have the ability to present an argument as if they are talking to other adults. Why don't you just let them do the work.
June 29, 2011 at 10:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
1999 that's the point! How are you possibly going to change public opinion on this issue? The community has legitimate concerns. They need to be addressed. You think because the state approved MMJ it gives everyone the right to smoke POT. When in reality the majority of voters approved it for the use of terminally ill patients...that includes ones that are in chronic pain. Patients who can not work, drive a car, and in most cases are near death. Properly administered it could have been a great program. Now that you have screwed it up it is almost inevitable that additional regulations and requirements are going to be enacted that will cost everyone time and money. What a waste because POTHEAD, Skif and Phobia want to use POT on a recreational basis.
June 29, 2011 at 10:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
I will give you credit, Duster. You have tricked some of us more intelligent individuals into coming down to your level and engaging in what a 3rd grader might consider intense debate.
You are certainly well-versed in the art of trolling.
June 29, 2011 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Duster, if your doctor is charging you $125 every 90 days to refill your meds (and if you're not on a bucketload of them, you should be), then he/she really should be investigated!! I'm sure you would never just randomly pull numbers like that out of your tiny little head; they MUST be rooted in fact, as are so many of your comments. I recommend you change doctors. Or, better yet, just stick with alcohol as your drug of choice; it will kill you sooner and we won't have to listen to your delirious ravings anymore. Bottoms up.
June 29, 2011 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SMRFF (anonymous) says...
Haha! Nice Phoebe. I think I'm officially pulling myself out of this Duster fiasco. It's been a lot of fun. It's definitely more addicting than the Devil's Lettuce!
Anyone gonna join me in leaving this Duster feller behind?
June 29, 2011 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
Already gone.
June 29, 2011 at 1:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Sure am glad smurf left and highway took my advice and went back to the chairlift. I hope they open up a new blog for the legalization of MJ as this is about MMJ.
Glad they wont be back!
Now maybe Phobia can answer this question. What percentage of any population suffers from terminal illnesses or chronic pain??????? If you answer it correctly you win a slightly used roach clip......I mean hemostat.
"According to the most recent statistics from the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, 1,143 Routt County residents have medical marijuana cards. That’s nearly 5 percent of the county’s more than 23,500 residents, according to the 2010 census"
Certainly you couldn't fathom so many ill people. If this was oxycontin or any other drug you would have a DEA office opening up on Main Street or a bunch of scientist trying to do a study to determine what is causing the illness. but we already know it is the ease of MMJ that is causing this.
June 29, 2011 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Phobia,
Next time read the full article.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_183...
June 29, 2011 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
YVBOY the cash is already here. Do you think this is a grass roots organization? Who do you think is pumping the money into the dispensary's, GP's, and retail shops. Where have you been. Stop drinking your bong water.
June 29, 2011 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
1999 (anonymous) says...
where did the vote say teminally ill?
June 29, 2011 at 5:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
1999 (anonymous) says...
duster...you seem to have some point to make but your argument is unintelligible.
are you upset about MMJ?
are you upset that people get MMJ cards that you seem to think don't need them?
what is you argument?
seriously...i can not understand your blathering.
June 29, 2011 at 6:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
By feeding it you only encourage it.
June 29, 2011 at 6:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
Oh, Duster ... I wish I could quit you. But you're such an easy target. By "Next time read the full article." did you mean the link you just posted? Well, I tried ... and this is what I got: "Sorry, we could not find the Denver Post article you're looking for. There are a couple possible reasons for this: The article has expired from our system. We expire articles from our system for two main reasons: We have updated that article and rendered the old article irrelevant, or we don't have the rights to use an article after a certain length of time." Nice try. But it does shed some light on why you are so misinformed.
Now, on to your next question. "What percentage of any population suffers from terminal illnesses or chronic pain???????" Here's a link that hasn't expired. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/PainMana.... It's a poll by ABC News on chronic pain. And since you've so clearly demonstrated your lack of reading comprehension OVER. AND. OVER. AND. OVER, I'll just pull out the pertinent data for you:
1. "More than half of Americans live with chronic or recurrent pain." (That's 50%)
2. "Just under half of adults have experienced pain in the last two weeks, and nearly four in 10 do so on a regular basis." (That's 40%)
3. "Six in 10 Americans rate their last experience with pain as moderate or worse," (That's 60%)
3. "and for two in 10 -- about 40 million individuals -- it was severe." (That's 20%)
4. "Nineteen percent suffer chronic pain, meaning ongoing pain that's lasted three months or more." (That's 19%)
So ... 5% of Routt County residents have medical marijuana cards? Oooh. Somebody else take over from here. I shouldn't be allowed to have all the fun.
June 29, 2011 at 6:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
1999 (anonymous) says...
you're right Rhys.
June 29, 2011 at 6:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Medical marijuana center representatives including Kevin Fisher, of Rocky Mountain Remedies; Chris Ward, of Aloha’s in Milner; and JJ Southard, of Natural Choice, spoke Tuesday, stating their businesses follow applicable laws, employ local workers — Fisher said he employs 40 people — and serve patients in dire need of medication.
“I have people coming in who are taking chemotherapy with tumors rising out of their skin,” Southard said. “There are doctors in town who support this, and they will be here for the second reading.”
Can you say terminally ill?
June 29, 2011 at 8:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Phobia,
Here it is a third time
www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18373393
June 29, 2011 at 9:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Highway take the chairlift again. I thought we were done with you a long time ago. You don't add anything to the conversation. The real issue is legalizing POT. Everyone here has a vested interest in this. Between the dispensary's and the recreational users. Who cares what you do in your on home. Just don't make it an issue about the medicinal purposes of MJ and hijack it so that MMJ cards are issued to every Tom Dick and Harry. Why does the community have to see ads in the newspapers? Why does the community have to put up with higher DUID? Why do we have to put up with the shenanigans? Take the "high" road and stop hiding behind terminally ill patients.
June 29, 2011 at 9:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Phobia if we believed those statistics everybody would be a MMJ card carrier. I mean come on do you really believe that 50% or half of all Americans suffer from chronic pain? Really what have YOU been Smoking? Don't tell me POT
June 29, 2011 at 9:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Phoebe (Phoebe Hackman) says...
You're right, Rhys.
June 29, 2011 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
1Campbell (Kelly Victory) says...
Just for the record: A total of 18 doctors in the state of Colorado made $19.2M in 2010 writing MMJ recommendations. And yes, we do know who they are. And yes, some of the recommendations are legitimate (adequate records, true doctor-patient relationship, legitimate clinical indication, etc.) but the vast majority (from what has been reviewed to date) are not. And yes, the state will have no choice but to further investigate the offending physicians, just as they would for any other breach of medical conduct. And yes, I suspect many will be reprimanded and many will lose their licenses.
June 29, 2011 at 10:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bandmama (anonymous) says...
duster dude- really am not interested in engaging in a battle of wits with you, as you have already shown that in many instances you are seriously under par in your weapon of choice, but have to comment on your last post, "...come on do you really beleive that 50% or half of all Americans suffer from chronic pain?"
Ahhh yes I do, Tylenol, Alleve, Advil, asprin, BABY asprin. Icy Hot, Ben Gay, pre-medicated wraps sold in packages at Wal Mart. Physical therapy out the wha-zooo(sp???? anyone care to correct this one please do...) yoga, Pilates....strengh training...yeah I would say that if not 50%, then pretty darn close. Care to explain why these pain treatments are in use? Another disillusioned passing thought? Note I didn't even BEGIN to mention current LEGAL pain meds....that are all money makers too! AND will kill the old liver, kidneys, tummy...lower parts, upper parts in between...they come with more warnings than some have time to read about before some lawyer pays top dollar to advertise...(get this..) "If you, or anyone you love has taken fill in the blank and you or a loved one suffer from...fill in the blank..THEN CALL ME, I will get you the money you deserve." Does this give you any enlightenment why some choose another path in treating whatever it is they suffer from? NOT that I expect an intelligent response or anything....
June 29, 2011 at 11:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Bandana MMJ was passed on the premise it was to help those with a qualifying medical need, not so that charlatans could hoodwink the system and get a pass to smoke POT.
Heres a recent article that says only a third suffer from chronic pain and provides alternatives on how to manage this. Read the article you might learn something.
Phobia, get a life that doesn't start with MJ every morning. Your better than that.
www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_183...
124 days and counting.
June 30, 2011 at 6:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Dust-
WOW!!!! What an insightful article! (yes, sarcastically)
Even though it made no mention of cannabis AT ALL(how relevant), it made some pretty good points about how addicted a lot of the country is to pills/pharmaceuticals.
But to address the point you're trying to make about how it's only a 3rd of Americans that are in chronic pain....as opposed to 1/2...is that really THAT significant of a difference to you?
June 30, 2011 at 7:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Phobia do a search for how to obtain an MMJ card in Colorado See what you get.
$75 MMJ Card & Dispensary - Doctor Evaluations
Guess it is less than 125, but look how easy it is....Wonder why you don't see ads for oxycontin, percocet, valium??????
Get Real, without your MMJ card your just common drug addicts. Go back to your grow lights and closets. Keep your SECRETS to your self.
Who cares what you do to your own body. Just don't screw with our community.
You'll scatter as fast like a bunch of cockroaches as soon as the light of day is shown on your enterprises.
I hope someone has the guts to go into one of these doctors offices and record the "examination" as a second evaluation. That will put the GP's opinion to shame and out of business.
June 30, 2011 at 8:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Scott_Wedel (Scott Wedel) says...
Well, seems to me that the huge difference between mmj recommendations and easy prescriptions for oxycontin is that there are 0 deaths and minimal hospital visits for mmj abuse and in just Colorado there are tens of thousands of emergency visits and hundreds of deaths from oxycontin and similar prescription drugs.
That it is not newsworthy or a problem if a patient dies of a prescription drug overdose, but when a doctor has 3 patients die then it is worth investigating and revoking a medical license.
So who cares if mmj prescriptions are not that hard to get? Where is the harm? In fact, if patient has addiction issues then it would be far less harmful to the patient if the patient used mmj instead of becoming physically addicted to dangerous narcotics like oxycontin.
And somehow it is preferable to have people grow their own than buy from a professional? If dispensaries with all of the state rules which they must follow are a challenge for law enforcement then how will law enforcement deal with a thousand or so grow rooms in residences?
So anyway I'm convinced that Duster is a double agent. By arguing so much so poorly he is showing everyone that mmj dispensaries are needed and far better than the possible alternatives.
June 30, 2011 at 10:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
I agree, Scott -- our antagonist is not on the up-and-up. I disagree as to motive, however. I think Dustpan works for the paper, and hurls repeated inanities and insults just to provoke a response. Increase circulation -- or, participation; this is only an online forum, right? And any press is better than no press. Of course it still hides behind the skirts of anonymity, apparently valuing whatever looks it still has remaining.
If the Pilot had a shred of decency, they would have at least reprimanded this individual, possibly pulled some of their posts. Expressing a viewpoint is one thing, but hurling personal insults, based on little or no knowledge of the individual, especially facelessly, exceeds the bounds of any kind of taste whatsoever. If this person does not have the courage to reveal who they are, they should not be allowed personal observations about others. That tripe should never see print.
I will never address this Dustbowl person again, though I might say much about them. I ask my fellow contributors to also boycott the Dustoff -- don't even respond. You're just banging your head against the wall, and begging for more. Why? If the Pilot doesn't have the class the squelch this A-hole, just do it yourself. And join me in asking the Pilot to jerk this jerk!!
June 30, 2011 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Highway read your other post when you said the same thing. Go start your own blog to legalize MJ. Hiding behind terminally ill patients who are in need of medical care does not suit you. Shame on you. Go back to the kitchen and by the way take the chairlift.
You know nothing about what the community feels about this issue.
124 days and counting.
June 30, 2011 at 11:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Blythe_Terrell (Blythe Terrell) says...
Highwaystar, we have pulled several posts. Please click "suggest removal" if you see something that violates our terms of use. We review every flagged post. A site user has to consistently behave in an extremely inappropriate way to merit a ban. In Duster's case, although there is some name-calling, differences of opinion seem to be driving most of the frustration.
We encourage everyone to be respectful in our online forums, but we try to monitor them with an even hand to let folks say their piece.
Please feel free to contact me if you have questions.
Blythe Terrell
City Editor
970-871-4234, bterrell@SteamboatToday.com
June 30, 2011 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
skypilot (anonymous) says...
To 1Cambell-who is "we" in the sentence "we do know who they are". I hope that "we" isn't you or anyone else outside the CO MMJ system . If it is, I want to know who made my medical records available to you. I do have to admit that the lack of confidentiality in the CO MMJ system is a flaw that I have struggled with since day one, but if anyone (you for instance) can access that info, I will be talking with legal counsel. The lack of confidentiality is why my recommendation reads "chronic pain". My Drs and I knew medical confidentiality was an issue (state clerks, dispensary workers etc) so we choose to not list my actual diagnosis.
Dr Victory..... if I may make a suggestion. If you are truly out to reign in "unnecessary" Dr prescriptions and/or recommendations, I would suggest starting in Florida. They don't track narcotic scripts so folks go down and get multiple oxy scripts, come home with 1000+ oxys and sell them on the street for $15 a pop. Your fascination with MMJ recommendations, in particular in SBS, is peculiar to say the least given the atrocities of the medical/pharma industry. As I have stated before, when motives are in question, follow the ambitions and the money.
June 30, 2011 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Skyhigh,
ALL PRESCRIPTIONS ARE TRACKED AND RECORDED BY THE DRUG ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
The same reason the MD has to have a valid DEA to order a prescription. Your "Chronic Pain" is not included on the prescription, however they track what has been prescribed just like any other controlled narcotic.
June 30, 2011 at 4:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
skypilot (anonymous) says...
okay...... I get censored for referring to Duster as a j.... and an a....,(this is exactly how it appeared) but he can call me Skyhigh, minimize my medical condition AND state half truths like above. Way to go Pilot. I guess facts and accuracy don't matter. Are you sure your not owned by Murdoc?
June 30, 2011 at 6:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Scott_Wedel (Scott Wedel) says...
Blythe,
It is not mere "difference of opinion" that is driving the frustration. It is the consistent personal insults. The typical Duster post has some argument and some personal insults and the posts are allowed to remain. Virtually every Duster post contains insults that are a violation of your terms of service. But you all apparently have decided that if a post contains some part that is not a violation of your terms of service that it will be allowed to remain.
June 30, 2011 at 7:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
skypilot (anonymous) says...
Okay, I'll play by your strange rules. The DEA tracking narcotic scripts is a "so what". They do not cross reference Drs writing scripts, altho I think most states do. In Florida you can (or at least could) go to 3 or 4 "pain clinics" all in the same strip mall, get 3 or 4 scripts for oxy, and walk away with hundreds of oxy.
Now for the actual script. Duster is right. On a traditional script, the condition that the script is written for is not on the script. However, in the case of MMJ it is on the recommendation, so the notary sees it, the workers at the dispensary see it, the state worker issuing the card sees it and who knows who else.
That was my point with Duster. Am I offended that he insults me and minimizes my health status, you bet. That's my issue, not his. I have to say, however, I truly hope there is a thing as karma.
June 30, 2011 at 7:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
1Campbell (Kelly Victory) says...
I am fascinated by your knowledge of "pain clinics" in Florida, and perhaps elsewhere , and how prescriptions are tracked -- or not -- by state agencies and the DEA. As a physician with an active medical license in both Colorado and Florida (as well as many other states), I am intrigued by what you know -- If "patients" are, in fact, able to go to "3 or 4 pain clinics in the same strip mall" and get multiple perscriptions for oxycontin without the state picking up on that, I would be surprised -- And I will certainly pull those statistics this week to review. Thanks for the heads-up. No one should "walk away with hundreds of oxy" -- It's not legal, and it's certainly not good for patient care, given the potential serious side effects of oxycontin. Both the pysicians responsible, and the patients abusing the system, should be held accountable.
June 30, 2011 at 11:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
1Campbell -- Point taken, and this ain't my (particular) fight, but if "accountability" is the issue, then my mmj docs are doing right -- has one been sued yet?
July 1, 2011 at 1:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
highwaystar (rhys jones) says...
["Please Judge!! The stuff didn't work, just made my twisted humor worse..."]
July 1, 2011 at 1:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Highway, take the chirlift. Thought you were not coming back here.
124 days and counting.
Skyhigh, the DEA does cross reference the type of narcotic prescribed to the doctor. The pharmacy is where the information is input into he system. Only approved doctors are allowed to write these prescriptions. I can only imagine that either the parmacy or the doctors are all in collusion in a fraud case when multiple prescriptions are filled.
July 1, 2011 at 6:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Kelly-
Your fascination with skypilot's knowledge is a very "PC" way of saying,
"hey, I bet you're just a huge drug addict all the way around."
or
"wow, how'd you come across that knowledge, dealing? Buying?"
Maybe he just saw the same show on TV that I did on the "Current" channel.
If you're truly that fascinated with it, maybe you can educate yourself about it?
http://current.com/shows/vanguard/911...
And would someone get Duster a calender that works?
.
July 1, 2011 at 7:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
skypilot (anonymous) says...
1Campbell-I've never done oxy, don't do any pain meds, even over the counter due to their effects on certain internal organs. Mine are under enough strain dealing with my condition. MMJP22 is right. It was a Vanguard special on Current TV. MSNBC also ran one. The issue was scripts were not cross referenced so the same person could get multiple scripts. It was such a "popular" method that pain clinics were set up in strip malls, sometimes multiple clinics in the same mall. People flew in from every state in the union to get oxy. Again, no personal knowledge, just relying on investigative reporting. I also stated this situation may have changed since the report.
Now to what I suspect is the "real" issue. It has nothing to do with "abusive" practices, those occur everywhere in the medical (and most other) profession with much more detrimental effects than folks getting the munchies. I may be wrong, but I suspect it's more of a cultural issue...... those dang hippies with their drugs, free love....... Those liberals...... progressives..... atheist..... anti-American folks. Being part of the medical establishment and being connected to Walgreens makes one wonder about motivations, but that's not for me to question. (see how easy it is to sneak in an accusation without really accusing anyone of anything.... I learned that from watching G Beck and listening to R Limbaugh)
Dispensaries serve a valid service, albeit one with some abuse due to the new nature of the business. I don't see you advocating shutting down other businesses that have abuse issues, so why the MMJ industry? You have never adequately addressed that question. Negative impact on the community doesn't hold water. There are various businesses with an impact that could be considered detrimental. I think you would gain a lot more credibility if you simply "put your cards" on the table.
July 1, 2011 at 7:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
routter (kevin fisher) says...
Duster-
You are a loathsome, poorly-written troll and I rue having to address you. However, if you continue to insinuate that Rocky Mountain Remedies has, in any way, been financed, in whole or in part, with cartel/illegally obtained funds I will sue you for libel. No joke. I will subpoena your account and come for you.
Ryan and I have put EVERYTHING into this business. I will not abide you baseless rhetoric. Our financial have undergone an extensive vetting by the state aided in its effort by the IRS- yes the feds.
Think twice sir, before you again wade into the slander.
Kevin Fisher
July 1, 2011 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duster (anonymous) says...
Kevin, thanks for the advise. I have never spoken of you, Ryan or RMR. So I don't really know what you are talking about.
However, before you begin talking about libel you should check with your attorney about free speech and the internet. A quick review would indicate that writing on the Pilots chalkboard is covered by the Communication Decency Act.
I apologize for your investment in such a risky business model as a MMJ dispensary. Since you have been in business for over a year, hopefully a majority of investment has been earned back.
As far as investing back into the community I think it is great that you are able to employ people and purchase local goods and services.
However, In reviewing the information, don't you find it odd that the number of MMJ card holders has increased over such a short period of time?
"Routt County, which includes Steamboat Springs, had just 12 medical-marijuana patients in January 2009. There are now 1,143 patients, or 6% of the adult population, state health records show. Routt County Commissioner Doug Monger said many constituents had told him they supported the right of truly ill patients to use cannabis and voted to legalize medical marijuana in 2000."
Are all of these patients truly ill? Does any else find that odd? What would you say if the number grew to 5,000. Would you feel the same way?
Kevin, our community has a legitimate concern about this issue. We are concerned for our children, for our economic future, for the reputation of the city. It seems like supporters of the MMJ movement don't really care about the community. It seems most people voted for truly ill people to obtain MMJ, but what is happening is that recreational users are taking advantage of it.
The struggle that we see today is just that. A community trying to reconcile the introduction of MMJ. How can you as one of only three licensed MMJ shops reconcile the differences to make the at large community feel comfortable? Relying on the argument that it is legal is one way. However, the real life situation of the introduction of MMJ into the community is a totally different one.
July 1, 2011 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cheesehead (anonymous) says...
The Pilot recently ran an AP story about millions of Americans who suffer from pain. The story noted that many don't seek treatment because they don't want to be stigmatized. This mention of being stigmatized reminded me Dr. Lisa's comments about Routt county having a pain epidemic, and it reminded me of Duster's POTHEAD comments. Does anyone regulate or keep track of how often a patient gets medical advise for pain if the Dr. recomends ibuprofen or tylenol? Sutafed is legal and often recomended, why aren't people outraged that some folks hide behind the common cold sufferer to buy the ingredient needed for crystal meth?
Liquor stores and dispenseries don't sell cocaine, LSD and meth; illegal pot dealers do. Concern for the kids? Colorado's pot laws have put a lot of drug dealers out of business.
Nobody knows the motivation behind the MMJ vote in 2000 or what the results of the local vote will be, quit pretending you do.
I have yet to here any legitimate problems about the dispeseries, all I've heard is "I don't like it, I'm right your wrong."
July 1, 2011 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
cheesehead-
Kudos on speaking up.
It never ceases to amaze me how intelligent the folks on our side of the debate seem to be. Well thought out conclusions, logic based arguments, and being rarely caught leaning on speculation/ancient propaganda/hear-say, are some of the reasons why most of the people on the anti-cannabis side have a hell of a time answering us on MANY of the questions/comments we post. Thanks again.
July 1, 2011 at 6:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mmjPatient22 (another anonymous cannabis user) says...
Dust-
You're missing out on all of the good "ribble-rabble" on the other article.....what gives?
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July 4, 2011 at 10:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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