Wendy Moreau: Online comments

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Ninety-nine percent of human beings are inherently good. This I truly believe. I read the online comments at www.steamboattoday.com every morning and am astonished by the hatred some post. This great country was established to promote tolerance.

Who are those anonymous haters to think their point of view is the one correct view? There are many paths to the top of the mountain. And let me say, disrespect and negativity is not an option. When one human disavows the point of view of another, it only displays the hater’s ignorance and lack of worldview, thought and education. Therein lies the problem.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Couldn't agree more Wendy, like blaming everyone who is not a Progressive Liberal with the crime that occurred in Tucson last week and calling for the death of people like Sarah Palin and others or, as is the case at an ABC News townhall meeting Yesterday in Tucson, a victim of the shooting threatened to kill a Tea Party member and was arrested by Police. The tragedy in AZ had NOTHING to do with political discourse and it is truly sad and dangerous that the left wing media is treating the event as a sacrificial offering to be used against their opponents in future elections, sad indeed!

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trump_suit 3 years, 11 months ago

Actually Seeuski, I think this opinion is directed specifically at you. Your personal attacks outweigh almost everyone else added together. It would be nice if you could learn how to debate your points without attacking others.

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kathy foos 3 years, 11 months ago

Maybe you shouldnt read any comments in the morning if it turns you into a "hater".I enjoy the freedom of speech in this country.I wouldnt mind being anonymous,printing my name is not my choice,Im not in it for the glory.Everyone has an opinion and thank the ones that care and take the time to comment.You are the comment "hater..."DONT READ THEM!

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kathy foos 3 years, 11 months ago

Seesuki only expresses very well researched and honest opinions. Wendy is the one who is attempting to suppress the comments?Good Luck!We have freedom of speech in this country,

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Thank you kathy, trump certainly has a right to feel he is above it all and that my honest opinions are actually hateful rhetoric, but he shows his lack of fairness in doing so. No trump, our voices won't be silenced and my disgust at what I see as a threat to our future won't end by being falsely blamed for the ills of our society. Yea, I hate many things that have gone down in the last few years like the terrible legislation that has been shoved down our throats and which is threatening our future existence. And as far as Wendy's belief that "This great country was established to promote tolerance." I would say that this Great Country was intended as the bastion of freedom. tolerance does not have to be something we practice but as long as we don't infringe on others rights to freedom, be my guest. I can't expect all of the trumps out there to be tolerant of my beliefs but they don't have a right to shut me up and quell my freedoms.

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mtroach 3 years, 11 months ago

It's easy to tolerate other's postings by not reading them or if they are to hatefilled suggest a removal.

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1999 3 years, 11 months ago

hey see...if the violent discourse is not a problem then why have people like Rush and Palin removed all traces of it from billboards and websites?

so they don't think it's a problem but they do think it's a problem?

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Hey 1999, Are you saying that the killer in Tucson was influenced by something Sarah or Rush said or posted? Are you? And one good reason for those at the SarahPAC website to take down the map of the USA with the 20 districts that were targeted is that the November elections are over, you think? Pay attention to the facts, you may learn something and become a bit smarter.

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1999 3 years, 11 months ago

hahahahahahahahaha.........what the heck are you talking about????? you claim people are blaiming palin unfairly when it's her and her ilk who are scrambling all over them selves trying to get this stuff off of their websites and billboards. if they really believe the two are not connected why not leave the big "Rush: a straight shooter" billborad up?

bahahahahahahahahahaha....

hahahahahahahahahaha

YOU SUPPORT PALIN!!!!!!!BAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

she also lied about the "surveyors crosshairs " hahahahahahaha and now she lying about people threatening her.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

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ftpheide 3 years, 11 months ago

1999, It looks like Wendy's article was directed at you. You should calm down and seek help!

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1999 3 years, 11 months ago

and why do they STILL call her "governor Palin" on fox News.

have they not heard that she quit her elected post to make more money on reality TV?

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trump_suit 3 years, 11 months ago

Never asked for you not to express an opinion. I would expect each of us to try and convince others of our individual point of view. Please continue to express your beliefs and ideas.

Please do so without attacking the positions and personal beliefs of those that may disagree with you. Not everyone is a "Left wing socialist" because they support a particular idea that you may disagree with. When you take such extreme positions and attack the ideas and thoughts of others, you poison the discourse and take away any opportunity that may exist to build consensus and compromise.

I do not agree with this course of action from right or left regardless of the issue being discussed.

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JLM 3 years, 11 months ago

Much ado about nothing. The anonymity of the internet provides an opportunity for folks to say things they might shy away from saying at a dinner party. Big deal!

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Trump, Don't attack others opinions? Shall I turn the other cheek or not call it like I see it? And how dare you call my positions extreme, I consider that a hateful comment. Do you feel this way about how others communicate their left wing positions like jimmmmmmmmmmm? Or do you only want little ole seeuski to cool it? I am not trying to convince anyone to think like me, I am just exposing what I see as the truth, and the programs and laws that are being enacted can only be described as Socialist/Marxist. How do you feel about the POTUS's proposal to issue internet ID's to every Citizen? Is that OK? Or when Obama says that "at some point you have made enough money" is that freedom? Capitalism is under attack by those wanting to impose Socialism and they say so, should they cool it? Oh boy. Happy MLK day. I am quite sure this is not an extreme greeting.

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MrTaiChi 3 years, 11 months ago

I finished a history of the battle of Oriskany last night, 'The Rebellion in the Mohawk Valley', by Watts there is certainly nothing in there or anything else I have read to support the author's thesis:
"This great country was established to promote tolerance."

The War of Independence was the first civil war. There was no tolerance for divergent views and opinions that didn't support royalism or republicanism. Our American ancestors treated each other, to use a euphamism, 'with extreme prejudice.' The Constitution itself reflects the authors' distrust of the people and that their passions might run out of control unchecked unless the senate was elected by state legislators, and the executive by electors, who would not rise out of the lower classes.

The author's expression of opinion, " This great country was established to promote tolerance." is symptomatic of the historic revisionism taught to our kids for the past thirty years. The elite decided that curriculum had to be reformed to incorporate thier views of cultural relativism so that, for instance, the culture of pre-earthquake Haiti was no better or worse than American culture. All we had to do to make the world love us again, was to extend the hand of friendship, smile nicely and engage in what a former local Democratic leader enthusiastically referred to as "soft diplomacy." (How's that workin' for ya?)

Conservatives try to be realists. We find ourselves in an evolving culture in which when we raise facts that the left find uncomfortable to their world view, we are called "haters", or at best, "mean spirited." Well, I'd like to begin every day with a good glass of orange juice and a dismissal of all those negative Nellies in the Pilot, but I come back to the old adage, "When you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing."

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1999 3 years, 11 months ago

I agree with JLM> much adoo about nothing.

people get passionate about what they believe in. when that passionis gone.....thats when we are in trouble.

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pitpoodle 3 years, 11 months ago

"When one human disavows the point of view of another, it only displays the hater’s ignorance and lack of worldview, thought and education."
This is B.S.
Hello -- everyone has the right to disagree with another This does not mean the one disagreeing is a hater. People have strong feelings about government interference, as they well should, and they need to speak out in plain terms. The problem does not lie in this. Grow up, Wendy.

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blue_spruce 3 years, 11 months ago

i sure hope palin takes the gop ticket in 2012!!! ...(let the fun begin :-)

"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008"

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blue_spruce 3 years, 11 months ago

"All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

""We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn't that ironic?" --Sarah Palin, admitting that her family used to get treatment in Canada's single-payer health care system, despite having demonized such government-run programs as socialized medicine that will lead to death-panel-like rationing, March 6, 2010

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blue_spruce 3 years, 11 months ago

''Perhaps so.''

—Sarah Palin, asked if America may need to go to war with Russia because of the Georgia crisis, ABC News interview, September 11, 2008

see you in 2012 :-)

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Neil O'Keeffe 3 years, 11 months ago

In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong with a spirited discourse afteralll that is what has helped to form our democracy. The problem comes when that discourse turns into a monologue vs a dialogue where nothing gets accopmlished aside from drawing lines in the sand and becoming entrenched in ones own beliefs. New ideas and innovation do not come from the same tired and worn out approaches to problems, they come from a melding of ideas outside of what we are most comfortable and familiar with. As journalist David Brooks has recently sited; much of our doscuurse today on either side is generated from our attachment to our own egos and inherent need to surround ourselves with like minded individuals and ideals in order to bathe our egos need to be right. Thanks for your comments Wendy, a little civility and humility goes a long way, we expect it from our children why not from adults?

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Neil O'Keeffe 3 years, 11 months ago

Egocentric: The term derives from the Greek and Latin ἑγώ / ego, meaning "I," "me," and "self". An egocentric person cannot fully empathize, i.e. "put himself in other peoples' shoes", and believes everyone sees what she/he sees (or that what he/she sees, in some way, exceeds what others see).

It appears that this egocentric stance towards the world is present mostly in younger children. They are unable to separate their own beliefs, thoughts and ideas from others. For example, if a child sees that there is candy in a box, he assumes that someone else walking into the room also knows that there is candy in that box. He implicitly reasons that "since I know it, you know it too". As stated previously this may be rooted in the limitations in the child's theory of mind skills. However, it does not mean that children are unable to put themselves in someone else's shoes. As far as feelings are concerned, it is shown that children exhibit empathy early on and are able to cooperate with others and be aware of their needs and wants.

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pitpoodle 3 years, 11 months ago

How's this for a little civility: Blue Spruce, no one really cares what you think of Sarah Palin. Considering how I really feel about your remarks, this is as civil as I can be.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Here is a scene you may need to get used to blue_spruce. Madam President Palin 2012.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

How you like me now? Yes, President Palin, it has a nice ring to it. God Bless America and the future President Palin.

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thalgard 3 years, 11 months ago

She would take all the silverware from the white house and then quit.

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sledneck 3 years, 11 months ago

My dear Wendy,

99% of people are NOT inherently good. The prison population attests to that. Further evidence of mankinds inherent lack of goodness is locks on your front door, security systems in banks, security measures at your credit card company, etc. Heck, even your car keys are testament to mans lack of "inherent goodness".

If you were really so big on "tolerance" you would be more tolerant of our intolerance.

The "anonymous haters" to which you refer have the same rights as you. If they wish to believe their view superior to yours that is their prerogative.

Your letter seems to "disavow" the point of view of those you call "haters" while stating that those who practice that very act are, in your words, "ignorant". IE, you are calling yourself ignorant which, of course, is your prerogative.

The "real problem lies" with those who, like you, seem to believe we have a right NOT to be offended. No such right exists and any such expectation on this side of the pearly gates is naive and a sure ticket to disappointment with your fellow man. My sincere advice is to grow some thicker skin and learn the old saying wise mothers taught their kids long ago... "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me".

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hereandthere 3 years, 11 months ago

The response, by those bloggers of the conservative persuasion, to Wendy's non-partisan letter is sure telling.

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1999 3 years, 11 months ago

OMG SEE!!!!

bahahahahahaha

palin for pres????

BAHAHAHA

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1999 3 years, 11 months ago

make the whole thing a reality show!

hahahah

wow. and you want people to takeyou seriously? complain about"haters"

you would knowingly vote and support a woman like this who quit her job as gov to become a reality show star? you want this person as president? great ! that says a lot about you and your crew!

bahahahahahahahaha

it's like voting for kim kardashian for prez.

oh good god. get a grip

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

MTC,

there is certainly nothing in there or anything else I have read to support the author's thesis: "This great country was established to promote tolerance."

Seriously? How do you explain all of the early settlers that came here to escape religious intolerance in their home countries? And once here that they did not attempt to establish a majority religion and persecute the religious minorities, but instead decided to tolerate those of other religions? Certainly, Quakers and Catholics had severe differences of religion, but both accepted the idea of religious tolerance.

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Neil O'Keeffe 3 years, 11 months ago

Unless of course you were black, indian, female or a non-landowner. And that was after the declaration of independence and the constitution were written. We could all benefit from getting our history from other sources than the power elite. To the victor go the spoils; since the time of man.

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sledneck 3 years, 11 months ago

WTF are you people smokin... and where can I get the prescription?

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

Neil, The pre revolutionary war settlers of America included a large number of people escaping religious intolerance. The famous Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock, Quakers, Amish and so were escaping religious intolerance. Even the wealthiest person in America at the time, Charles Carroll of Carrollton was a Catholic and as one of the Founding Fathers he noted due to anti-Catholic laws, he lacked the right to vote in his home country. So it was important for him that this new country tolerated people of all religions so that no one of any religion was denied basic rights due to religious beliefs.

Yes, the promise of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were not granted to all citizens for a couple hundred years, but that does not change that the Founding Fathers were thinking about tolerance when those documents were written.

Note how Martin Luther King in the famous Dream speech did not quote some UN declaration on human rights, but the Declaration of Independence. Thus, whatever entrenched power elite were not able to obscure the clear language of the DoI and the promises it made to all citizens even when they were not receiving those rights as human beings that the Founding Fathers said were self-evident.

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Neil O'Keeffe 3 years, 11 months ago

Point taken except for the fact that nearly all the "founding fathers" were the power elite bieng, wealthy landowners, bankers, layyers, merchants etc. and nearly 70% had been in the service of Brithish at one time or another. Tyrany is Tyrany either way!

Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie. Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches. Samuel Johnson made this point when he wrote about the misuse of the charge of "hypocrisy" in Rambler No. 14: "Nothing is more unjust, however common, than to charge with hypocrisy him that expresses zeal for those virtues which he neglects to practice; since he may be sincerely convinced of the advantages of conquering his passions, without having yet obtained the victory, as a man may be confident of the advantages of a voyage, or a journey, without having courage or industry to undertake it, and may honestly recommend to others, those attempts which he neglects himself"

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Neil O'Keeffe 3 years, 11 months ago

Besides, religion may well be the opiate of the people

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Another classy retort to the nutty left last night by the next President of the United States of America......... Sarah Palin

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MrTaiChi 3 years, 11 months ago

It is a tangential point, but the earliest settlers were not religiously tolerant, either in the Plymouth Colony or Rhode Island. Further, it is one of the greatest American myths that most English immigrants came here to evade religious persecution and intolerance. Evidence is much stronger that they came for economic reasons, and/or to flee the class system that prevented them from acquiring land and to then stop being rent prey for landlords of the noble classes. We don't hear much about it but a significant percentage of them went back to the mother country because they didn't like it here. As an aside, the first contact that the pilgrims had with native Americans was when they dug up and stole a food cache. About half of the passengers on the Mayflower were not Dutch Reformed Church of England, but were the employees of the expedition's sponsor, the Hudson Bay Company.

But returning to the central thesis of the author of the article, if one believes freedom and tolerance to be interchangeable words, she has an argument. There just isn't any historical support for that, however. The founders defined the freedoms they held most important in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Government could not punish speech, religious practice, political discourse by assembly. To the author this set the inevitable tone that makes it wrong today to be judgmental. I have a civil disagreement that her bridge falls because the span is too great.

I am conservative in many of my beliefs. I haven't seen evidence that Sarah Palin is qualified to be president. She has good political instincts, and echos values that I believe in, but even taking into accout the hostile media environment she has to communicate through, she still appears to lack intellectual curiosity and demonstrates a dangerous lack of knowledge of international dynamics. I had the same concerns about lack of foreign policy experience with Obama, but recognized an intelligent man and a quick study and had hopes. Some have been fulfilled, but there are other serious disappointments.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

MTC, I suggest that it does not matter if most or merely some immigrants came to America to escape religious intolerance. It was important that America was a place where european religious minorities could come to practice their religion in peace. And the leaders with big ideas saw the need to tolerate other religions as compared to intolerance with different religions in charge depending upon the area.

Also, freedom is the most powerful form of tolerance by definition. Freedom means that it is tolerated without significant restriction. A statement like "This great country was established to promote tolerance." is too sweeping to be precisely true, but certainly freedom and the tolerance inherently granted by freedom was an important principle in the founding of this country.

And I suggest that you misunderstand part of the author's letter because she is not suggesting "the inevitable tone that makes it wrong today to be judgmental". The commentary is not complaining about people having disagreements, but in the conduct of the people having disagreements. That it should be possible to have disagreements in which the other person is given respect. That it should be possible to discuss a topic without personally insulting people. That it should be possible to expect that commentary responds to the ideas of others posts.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

Seesuki, I thought this was a center right country. If all those unimpressed by Palin on Hammity are "nutty left" then this is quickly becoming a nutty left country. Washington Post poll has 70+% of country saying each of Obama, Democrats and Republicans have responded well to the Tuscon shooting. And 20% saying Palin responded well. So public gave Republican 70+% and Palin 20%.

The part about "blood libel" strikes me as typical Palin. Even after all the discussion of the term she apparently still does not understand what it means. It is not libel about having blood on your hands, it is about libel to justify persecution.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

News to Scott, Your last word here is of great value to............ you. I have the right to my own poll and that is that Sarah Palin used the term at a most appropriate moment and the left wing nut company have attacked her because she remains a continuing threat in 2012. Rock on.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

The choice will be between.... Capitalism Socialism

How will you vote? I know where I stand regardless of who the Candidates will be.

Rock on.

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trump_suit 3 years, 11 months ago

Palin has about as much chance of becoming President as I do. If nominated, she will ensure Obama's 2nd term. Not sure who the republicans should put out there, but Palin is not the right choice if they would like to actually win.

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jimmmmmm 3 years, 11 months ago

Seeuski,

I think you may be fighting a losing battle...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/19/cnn-poll-palin-unfavorable-rating-at-all-time-high/

Does the dip in Palin's favorable ratings have anything to do with her website?

"Probably not directly, but the public may have been turned off by her reaction to the controversy surrounding that website," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Poll results released earlier this week show that most Americans do not blame her website for the shootings in Arizona. But women and independents - two groups that tend to prefer civility and bipartisanship - may have disliked her combative reaction to suggestions that the website was involved."

Sorry you don't like how I communicate my opinion-I'll work on it-but I do enjoy pointing out when your wrong. Now if you'd just listen, you could go on to be a very productive member of the Democratic Party.

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