Bob McConnell: I am no longer a Republican

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Bob McConnell

To those of you who listened when I asked you to trust the Republican Party, I apologize. The GOP has failed us at the national, state, and local level. I am no longer a Republican because the GOP no longer represents me or what I believe. When I stepped into the fray a year and a half ago, I thought the enemy I was fighting was the progressive movement. I was only half right. We must defeat President Barack Obama and his agenda. The GOP is not up to the task. It is time to face the reality that conservatives are being shut out of the party. Conservative values, not a “go along to get along, what will keep me in office” mentality will defeat Obama in 2012.

I recently heard that the Republican National Committee is $4 million in debt. And these are the people who will lead us to fiscal responsibility? Small wonder contributions are evaporating after we learned in summer 2010 that more than two-thirds of all contributions go to keeping the national machine in first class when they travel to gala dinners, and the occasional massage parlor visit. GOP “leadership” in the U.S. Senate and House is an oxymoron — a true contradiction in terms. Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are poster boys for the GOP’s “paid-their-dues” mentality. They are the same two who with Pelosi and Reid, “led” us through the Bush 43 and Obama era financial debacle. Last month, they caved on critical conservative issues during the lame-duck, and I sense that is just the beginning. Refusing to allow Michelle Bachmann a leadership position was a slap in the face to the Tea Party energy that put a new group of Republicans in office. Soon, Congress will vote on whether to keep the government open by funding it with money we don’t have. How will Republicans vote? And before May, Congress must vote whether or not to raise the debt ceiling again, further financially strapping our grandchildren. How will Republicans vote — based on the promises they made while campaigning or based on what they’re told by the poster boys?

At the state level, the GOP looked like the Keystone Cops during the last election — funny if not so pathetic in result. The Senate District 8 Vacancy Committee appointed Al White’s wife to finish his term — liberal bloggers say the fix on that had been in for weeks. I am sure liberals celebrated with Champagne when they heard the result. When a selection as important as the Senate District 8 seat is made by secret ballot, we, the people, suffer. Contrary to the representations of our county GOP chair, there is no law or statute requiring secret ballots. It’s simply the GOP by-laws, the way they choose to do business — secretly — in order to protect the good old boys.

I now am registered as unaffiliated. It was easy to disengage; just go to the website for the Colorado Secretary of State, https://www.sos.state.co.us, change your voter affiliation, and start paying attention to patriots who pledge allegiance to the flag, not a party.

We need a vehicle other than the GOP to defeat Obama, because the GOP is not up to the task. It is a waste of time to try and change it from within; the party leadership has made it clear we are not welcome. I have seen firsthand that they have no moral compass. The only way to get their attention is to leave, not necessarily to form another party, but to stand together outside the Boy’s Club as independent voters. We can field candidates who have no party allegiance or affiliation. We can choose people who have integrity and want to serve us, not just more mediocre life-long politicians who have paid their dues. Let’s get their attention.

I always have urged you to keep the faith. That never meant faith in the Republican Party, or any political machine. I ask you to have faith in yourselves, in ourselves as conservatives, to overcome the most serious crisis the Republic has faced in a hundred years. We must not repeat 1912 in 2012, and the GOP is well on the way to doing just that.

Bob McConnell, of Steam­boat Springs, was a former candidate for the 3rd Congressional seat and was a candidate for the Senate District 8 vacancy. He is a former Army Ranger, attorney, and author.

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

Bo(o)b's insincere anger will only incite fringe elements and help produce more violence such as occurred yesterday in Tuscon.

I am pleased that he left my Republican Party and only wish he would leave Steamboat Springs too. He has sullied both with his extremist opinions.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

beentheredonenothing, The Anarchist Nazi left winger who committed that heinous crime yesterday and Bob McConnell, an American Patriot, are complete opposites and the chance that you are a Republican based on your comments now and in the past is laughable. You must have enjoyed Olberman last night where he blamed Sarah Palin and the Tea Party while ignoring the Daily Kos where a posting said, "She is dead to me now" regarding Gabby Giffords vote against Pelosi this week. The attempts by the left wingers like Olberman and yourself to silence the Conservative movement by claiming we caused this crime is another failing tactic and what is so wrong with this political environment. Glenn Beck warned Americans that the Progressives would become violent if there agenda is blocked and that things could get dicey. The fact that the Conservatives had a big victory last November and there is hope for our future is something that would deter any such hateful violence coming from the good people of the Tea Party movement. Pelosi, Obama and the MSM though have tried for a year to find some way to attach anarchy to us, it won't be done because we are not the violent ones. Bob McConnell has every right to act on his political beliefs without having crimes by nutcakes attached to him. Loser.

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

Michael Yaki Member, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights : While we all pray for the recovery of Rep. Giffords and the other victims of the shooting, we should all take a look in the mirror and take a deep breath. Neither the left nor the right can disclaim responsibility or culpability for the increasingly violent rhetoric and disturbingly disruptive actions that politics has turned to in recent years.

There can be no doubt that the toxic atmosphere that now passes as the norm in politics creates a more hospitable climate for breeding psychos and madmen who believe violence in the defense of their own twisted version of liberty is an acceptable means of behavior. And when the media and the internet provide platforms for hate-spewing rhetoric, all in the pursuit of ratings and advertising dollars, and when corporate America continues to blithely fund these platforms in search of their elusive buying demographics, we have the perfect storm for a witches' brew of resentment, scapegoating, and personal attacks that seeks violence as a refuge, not an unacceptable alternative.

As for the impact on the shootings, as a former elected official and congressional aide, I can't see it diminishing contact. We politicians are hard-wired for public contact. Instead, the town hall meeting will become like so many public schools today, where magnetometers and increased police presence are the norm. And democracy and our personal liberties diminish, every so slightly but inexorably, as a result. That is, perhaps, the ultimate irony and inevitable outcome of those who cite the First Amendment as their defense of all things hateful, threatening, and demeaning in their televised or Youtube rants.

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skidattle 3 years, 11 months ago

You go Bob, follow that "moral compass" through your crosshairs.

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the_Lizard 3 years, 11 months ago

Hmmm...nice "demeaning, hateful, personal attack (against McConnell) rant" beentheredonethat. "take a look in the mirror and take a deep breath" Indeed

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

@the_Lizard, Yea, isn't it great that this beenknowhereman can say such hateful things about Bob as if he is not a human being or innocent of any thing that happened yesterday and then post Yaki's call for calm? The hypocrisy is palpable. Bob is a gentle man and an American Patriot who deserves our respect regardless of his political persuasions.

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

Gabrielle Giffords, The Arizona congresswoman shot today outside a Tucson Safeway, was featured on Sarah Palin's infamous 'crosshairs' map, which targeted legislators who voted for Obama's health care bill. Remember? The map that was criticized as an incitement to violence?

Giffords, a third-term legislator, supported Obama's health care reform bill. This earned her a place on the map, posted to Takebackthe20.com by Sarah Palin's Political Action Committe, that literally put Democrats in the cross-hairs last spring after the bill passed. "Don't retreat, instead- RELOAD!" was how Palin introduced the map to her Twitter followers. Days later, a vandal smashed the glass door of Giffords' Tucson office. Giffords' father tells the New York Post that members of the Tea Party "always threatened" his daughter.

Giffords' Tea Party opponent in the 2010 election, Jesse Kelly, went even further with the violent rhetoric. Kelly's campaign held an event called "Get on Target for Victory in November." Description: "Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly."

There's no indication that the gunman who shot down Rep. Giffords was motivated by politics. But the Giffords shooting should at the very least underscore the fact that, as Matt Yglesias says, "gun imagery and electoral politics don't mix."

Send an email to Adrian Chen, the author of this post, at adrian@gawk

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

beentheredonethat:

It's mind boggling how partisan hacks will contort anything and everything so it conforms to their own ideological bloodlust. Interesting how Ms. Chen cites Matt Yglesias, on whose site the following post was published just 3 days ago: http://twitpic.com/3o7s5c - it's titled "My CongressWOMAN [Gabrielle Giffords] voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!"

Even as Ms. Chen acknowledges there's no known political motivation for the attack, she still singles out Palin & the tea party as fanning the flames of violence, without a particle of evidence to support the contention. I would submit the following for Ms. Chen's consideration:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” ~ Senator Obama, 07.14.2008

“I think it's tempting not to negotiate with hostage takers, unless the hostage gets harmed. In this case the hostage is the American people and I was not willing to see them get harmed.”
~ President Obama, 10.06.2010

“Here's the problem: It's almost like they've got -- they've got a bomb strapped to them and they've got their hand on the trigger. You don't want them to blow up. But you've got to kind of talk them, ease that finger off the trigger.” ~ President Obama, 03.18.2009

“I want you to argue with them and get in their face!” ~ Senator Obama, 09.18.2008

“We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.” ~ President Obama, 10.25.2010

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” ~ President Obama, 06.12.2010

“We talk to these folks because they potentially have the best answers, so I know whose ass to kick.” ~ President Obama, 06.07.2010

One wonders if Ms. Chen finds the President’s angry, a$$-kicking, gun-toting rhetoric to be just as worrisome. Somehow, I doubt it.

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kathy foos 3 years, 11 months ago

This person that shot these people was mentally ill,keep that in mind the next time you vote down help for the mentally ill .Funny how everyone blames everyone else except the fact that there are "sick" people that need care.I dont know if you can ever stop these horrible tragedys,but place the blame where it belongs. We all know that there are problems with all of the partys,pick the best worst one is the way it goes.If the country got rid of them (partys)and went one vote for one citizen,it would change for the better.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Unbelievable, these Huffpo and Daily Kos followers, well here mr. knowwhereman.

Flashback: Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’ (the REAL Arizona instigator)

Everyone knew that Palin was helping candidates campaign in those 20 moderate districts during this last election cycle and not some violent hit list, well everyone but the insane left wing. This is the only way you people can try and defeat the Tea Party movement and Sarah Palin, by creating lies and intentions that never existed. No, we will never stop opposing the Progressives Marxist agenda and we will never give up our birth rights to freedom, not by these tactics or by the Government's new internet ID requirements. God save the Republic.

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

Kathy Foos:

At first glance, you're spot on re: the gunman's mental health. A couple of videos he posted within the last month at youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiBqL0u5MHM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0-L6X2MNzk

His conclusion:

"The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”

Paranoid & delusional come to mind.

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the_Lizard 3 years, 11 months ago

Yep seeuski, hypocrisy at it's finest...it's all over the internet. Any story about this heinous crime is commented on by the left using the exact hateful rants as seen here. It makes me want to puke.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Regardless of the fact that the killers classmates are claiming he was a committed left winger they still want to try and smear good innocent people with their hate. The vast majority of the hate has been produced by the left and as Sep illustrated so well, by their dear leaders own hateful rhetoric. What a lousy POTUS? This Country has never been so divided under any previous POTUS as it has been under Obama. This all started with the beer summit and the New Black Panthers being pardoned by Obama, yea, "the Police acted stupidly".

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, a conservative Republican, had placed Ms Giffords on a list of politicians she wanted to remove from office in November's mid-term polls.

Ms Giffords had pointed to the "crosshairs of a gun sight" that Mrs Palin had used on her list, adding: "When people do that, they have to realise that there are consequences to that action."

This is who Mr. Boobs McConnell actively sought and received support from in his failed campaign for state legislator. A very extremist individual dishing out venom which voters like the above posters feed off of....and others take to extremes like the murderer in Tucson.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

So now, via the FBI search warrant of the killers home, we are learning that he had planned this killing since 2007, way before Sarah Palin was picked by McCain in 2008. There are letters from 2007 and an admission by him that he was after her for assassination.

The left wing fools will eat their words as usual. You are clearing the path for Palins Presidential bid in 2012, thank you.

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JLM 3 years, 11 months ago

There used to be a time when we understood the meaning of just plain old CRAZY.

It did not need to be subtly nuanced and explained as being the result of somebody's suspect politics or some element of suggestive public discourse --- some people were just plain CRAZY.

They were CRAZY regardless of whether they were left or right wing Democrats or Republicans or Libertarians. They were just plain CRAZY.

And, they were a danger to all of us because they were just plain CRAZY.

They did not become CRAZY because Sarah Palin said something or Barack Obama said something they were already CRAZY and just looking for an excuse to go off.

Don't overthink the obvious --- the guy was just plain CRAZY. For goodness sake, he shot 20 people and killed a 9 year old girl. CRAZY is enough.

Stop looking for complex and self serving explanations and stick to CRAZY!

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

Sure the guy was mentally unstable, but then why did a mentally unstable person's delusions end up centered on a congresswoman? As compared to anyone else? Not some neighbor, not anyone else, but the local congresswoman?

There is a massive difference between saying your opponents are wrong as compared suggesting they intend to destroy the country. It is acceptable to argue that political opponents are doing the wrong things, but it crosses a line when anyone argues their opponents are intentionally destroying the country. It fundamentally comes down to accepting that political opponents are doing what they think is right and it is differences of opinion, philosophy and understanding that is causing the political differences.

So I read nothing in Bob's letter that comes even close to crossing any lines. I think it never made sense for an anti establishment political movement to think the Republican party would welcome them as anything more than tactical allies to defeat established Democrats.

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JLM 3 years, 11 months ago

There is nothing inherently wrong with being interested and even fixated on political discourse but that does not mean you shoot somebody over it.

The CRAZY part is the critical part and all the rest is just nonsense.

I fail to see the difference between saying sombody is "wrong" and saying they "intend to destroy the country". This is all just political rhetoric and hyperbolic nonsense.

None of it makes me want to shoot a 9 year old girl.

Everybody needs to just calm down and recognize that CRAZY is not unique to political discourse nor does it require a fixation on politics to be unleashed.

CRAZY is just CRAZY.

Keith O and Glenn B --- borderline CRAZY but not likely to shoot a 9 year old girl in the process.

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Steve Lewis 3 years, 11 months ago

Tea party organizers seem fine including protesters carrying assault weapons at their rallies. What's not CRAZY about that?

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NamVet 3 years, 11 months ago

Seeuski you have again proved you are another one of those Crazy's who goes off the deep end before any of the facts are in. The Congresswomen happened to be a Democrat. When you get so called facts from hate radio etc. just shows you are one of the dangerous out there.. I don't care is this guy was on the left or right he is just a CRIMINAL just like the Columbine killers, McVeigh, and the Va. Tech. killer. Maybe that explains why the US is one of the most violent countries on earth. More people are gunned down in this country in LA in a month than all of Western Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand combined. Any idiot can get a semi-automatic weapon in this country and this is the results.

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

http: //www.youtube.com/user/Starhitshnaz A vid of the gunman burning an American flag to some death metal accompaniment, along with the following captioning:

"If there's no flag in the constitution then the flag in the film is unknown. There's no flag in the constitution. Therefore, the flag in the film is unknown. Burn every new and old flag that you see. Burn your flag! I bet you can imagine this in your mind with a faster speed. Watch this protest in reverse! Ask the local police; "What's your illegal activity on duty?". If you protest the government then there's a new government from protesting. There's not a new government from protesting. Thus, you aren't protesting the government. There's something important in this video: There's no communication to anyone in this location. You shouldn't be afraid of the stars. There's a new bird on my right shoulder. The beak is two feet and lime green. The rarest bird on earth, there's no feathers, but small grey scales all over the body. It's with one large red eye with a light blue iris. The bird feet are the same as a woodpecker. This new bird and there's only one, the gender is not female or male. The wings of this bird are beautiful; 3 feet wide with the shape of a bald eagle that you could die for. If you can see this bird then you will understand. You think this bird is able to chat about a government? I want you to imagine a comet or meteoroid coming through the atmosphere. On the other hand, welcome yourself to the desert: Maybe your ability to protest is from the brainwash of the current government structure."

Newsflash: paranoid schitzos don't have politics. They have voices.

Who knows what evidence will emerge in the coming days. Based on the information presently available, blaming Palin/tea party/conservatives is just as delusional as Loughner's indictment of "grammar" as government mind control. And it's right out of the playbook. Some recent incidents off the top of my head, where the American left instantly blamed "right wing rhetoric", only to be proven wrong: Fort Hood, the Pentagon shooter, Amy Bishop, the stabbing of the cab driver, Bill Sparkman, the guy who crashed the plane into the IRS building...

Base political opportunism at its most disgusting and venal. Those who engage in it should be ashamed, but that would require a level of class they do not posses.

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Steve Lewis 3 years, 11 months ago

Sep, My comment below stands just fine on its own, independent of Saturday's events.

"Tea party organizers seem fine including protesters carrying assault weapons at their rallies. What's not CRAZY about that?"

Perhaps you think the carrying of assault weapons to a political protest is responsible behavior.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Hey lewi, where were you when the truth about that automatic weapon photo came out? It was a cropped photo of an African American. And one can argue that it was a plant because it was at Obama's pro Healthcare rally and there is NO chance that that would be allowed that close to the POTUS. So I am saying that you are a sheep who took the bait and there was no way that weapon was unnoticed by the Secret Service. It was a hoax.

"Not only did Brewer, Ratigan, and Toure fail to point out the fact that the gun-toting protester that sparked the discussion was black, but the video footage shown of that protester was so edited, that it was impossible to see that he was black. The man appeared at a health care rally outside of President Obama’s speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Phoenix, Arizona." http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2009/08/18/msnbc-no-mention-black-gun-owner-among-racist-protesters

Namvet, This avenue of discussion was created by beentheredonenothing and his attachment of Bob McConnells letter to the type of thing that sparks left wingers like the Tucson killer to go postal. Unfortunately for your side, who have been all over the media blaming people like Bob, me and Sarah Palin among others, the killer left writings that prove he was targeting Gabby Giffords since 2007, long before there was a Tea Party or any knowledge of who Sarah Palin was. You people on the left are using extreme fear mongering tactics and this Country is becoming all the worse off for it. I have been in a state of sadness since yesterday over this event and I have prayed for the Congresswoman, what her affiliation is means nothing to me, we were all attacked by that wack, but I am ticked off by anyone who plays the finger pointing game at the Conservatives for this crime. Every Conservative who has received blame by the left has done nothing to deserve the injustice of these accusations and it is despicable to use this tragedy for political gain. You can call me crazy Nam, but you only show your ignorance in doing so. And there are facts that are in and they are being reported by the FBI and the idiot Sheriff in Tucson. Maybe stop watching the hate monger Olberman for a moment and you might get up to speed. And give it a break on the gun control rant, if anyone at the scene yesterday other than the killer had a gun a few may have been saved, maybe. Criminals will always get their weapons, it is the Citizens who must protect themselves.

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Steve Lewis 3 years, 11 months ago

JLM : "I fail to see the difference between saying sombody is "wrong" and saying they "intend to destroy the country"

You cannot be serious.

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Steve Lewis 3 years, 11 months ago

See, Sorry, I'm skipping your posts. Too many Nazi's and patriots in your movie.

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Jeff_Kibler 3 years, 11 months ago

Lewi, what happened with your monthly anti-war protests? Did your puddle of pacifists suddenly dry up once your choice occupied the Oval Office?

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

lewi:

You haven't said much that I disagree with; I was responding to beentheredonethat's contention that it's the "extremists" like McConnell & Palin who are somehow complicit in the murders. Is that a proposition that "stands just fine on its own"?

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Yea, I thought so Lewi, the truth is always the best silencer.

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

folks in the spotlight, who spew false conspiracy theories, like McConnell & Palin, Beck, Oreilly, Limbaugh, Schultz, Olbermann, Maddow and their ilk, feed the extremists who then act out crazy acts. That is what makes them complicit.

WORDS HAVE MEANING. responsible "leaders" use words in a responsible way.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

The killers former classmates tweeting about their memories of this freak.

"Jared Loughner, Alleged Shooter in Gabrielle Giffords Attack, Described by Classmate as "Left-Wing Pothead" http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php

Sorry to those who continue to wait for the event they can stick on us Conservatives. Maybe it is true, we are the peaceful ones.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Which words are you referring to donenothing?

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

"We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said on Saturday after the shooting.

Now, he's being joined by at least one Republican senator.

"There is a need for some reflection here -- what is too far now?" the unnamed senator told Politico. "What was too far when Oklahoma City happened is accepted now. There's been a desensitizing. These town halls and cable TV and talk radio, everybody's trying to outdo each other."

When it comes to the Tea Party, the senator stressed that they should not be unfairly blamed for the attack. "They're talking about things most mainstream Americans are talking about, like spending and debt," he said. But, he acknowledged, "tone matters."

Some Tea Partiers have acknowledged as much in the wake of the tragedy. "These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials," said Tea Party Express Chairwoman Amy Kremer in a statement. "Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas."

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

Here are some more words.....

Republican Senate candidate Sharron Angle floats the possibility of armed insurrection in January 2010, during her campaign to unseat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.): "You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out." (Source: The Plum Line) John Boehner issues a warning to Rep. Steve Driehaus in March 2010, saying that he and other pro-life Democrats who voted in favor of the health-care overhaul legislation may find themselves in trouble saying, "He may be a dead man. He can’t go home to the west side of Cincinnati. The Catholics will run him out of town." The quote appeared in a March 18, 2010 article in the National Review Online.

(Source: National Review Online) Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) called on Minnesota constituents to be "armed and dangerous" in the energy-tax debate, during a March 20, 2010 interview:

"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us, having a revolution every now and then is a good thing, and the people — we the people — are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country. And I think this has the potential of changing the dynamic of freedom forever in the United States."

(Source: TPM, University of Minnesota) Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin tweets on March 23, 2010 to "common sense conservatives" and "lovers of America" -- "Don't retreat, Instead - RELOAD!"

(Source: Twitter) Alabama Republican Congressional candidate Rick Barber released an ad in June 2010 to rally fellow tea party supporters. In the ad, an actor portraying President George Washington tells Barber to "gather your armies."

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

and more...

West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin (D) put out a new ad in October 2010. In the ad, Manchin literally, shoots at the controversial cap and trade legislation that passed the House last year in an attempt to show his independence from Washington Democrats.

(Source: The Fix)

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Troutguy 3 years, 11 months ago

The killer's former postman's brother-in-law's wife's hairdresser's garbageman says he voted for Obama. Now there's a credible source.

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

and more...

Texas congressional candidate Stephen Broden made the remark that a violent overthrow of government is "on the table," during a local news interview in October 2010.

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

and more...

Then-Republican congressional candidate Allen West rallied conservative audience members during an impromptu speech in October 2010. During the remarks West said:

"You better be ready to fight for this country. ... If you're here to stand up, to get your musket, to fix your bayonet, and to charge into the rights, you are my brother and sister in thisfight. You need to leave here understanding one, simple word. That word is: bayonets. ... You leave here today -- charge!"

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

rhetoric like this, regardless of which party affiliation the speaker belongs to, is ill advised, destructive, and over time when soaked up by nut cases, lethal.

that is my point.

if one seeks to represent people in government is it not better to elect folks who choose words carefully so that there is an increased chance there may actually be a positive outcome?

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NamVet 3 years, 11 months ago

Seeuski you need to stop drinking so heavily. It is your fault that no one loves you.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

You are reaching way out over the fence in your desire to take political rhetoric to an extreme never before seen. "Give me liberty or give me death". I contend that not one statement of which you posted was ever heard or read by the killer because these statements all came after the killer targeted Giffords in 2007. You are merely trying to soften your original attack on Bob McConnell by showing us an oh so soft and caring beentheredonethat. No, I say it was the MSM who took many political sayings and used them to inflame their base and gin up the left wing voters. Here is the kind of crap you should be most concerned with. http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Namvet, go above and read your previous post and tell me who is the buzzhead.

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sledneck 3 years, 11 months ago

Beenthere, You make a very big, and I believe incorrect, assumption when you associate "government" with "positive outcome". No such correlation exists.

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

beentheredonethat:

Do you regard any of the following pronouncements by the most visible and powerful man on earth to be "ill advised", "destructive", or "lethal"? Characterizations of one's political opponents as knife-wielding, hostage-taking suicide bombers against whom the righteous need to "bring a gun" so as to "punish" them and "kick their ass"? If not, why?

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”

“I think it's tempting not to negotiate with hostage takers, unless the hostage gets harmed. In this case the hostage is the American people and I was not willing to see them get harmed.”

“Here's the problem: It's almost like they've got -- they've got a bomb strapped to them and they've got their hand on the trigger. You don't want them to blow up. But you've got to kind of talk them, ease that finger off the trigger.”

“I want you to argue with them and get in their face!”

“We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.”

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”

“We talk to these folks because they potentially have the best answers, so I know whose ass to kick.”

You passionately assert (in all caps - that's like, really capital and stuff) that "WORDS HAVE MEANING."

Does that passionate admonition apply to our 44th President? If not, why?

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 11 months ago

rhetoric like this, regardless of which party affiliation the speaker belongs to, is ill advised, destructive, and over time when soaked up by nut cases, lethal.

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

So you view the President as just as execrable, dangerous, and lethal as Stephen Broden, Allen West, Joe Manchin, Rick Barber, Sarah Palin, John Boehner, Michelle Bachman, et al? If not, why?

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JustSomeJoe 3 years, 11 months ago

Back to Bob's letter resigning his GOP card. Refusing Michelle Bachmann a leadership position was a slap in the face to the tea party? I think it was standing up to crazy. Michelle Bachmann, while duly elected, is definitely unbalanced. Her top ten crazy quote list can easily be expanded to 100. She makes Christine O'Donnell seem mainstream.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-10-craziest-michele-bachmann-quotes

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trump_suit 3 years, 11 months ago

This seems to me to be a good time to reflect on ones own beliefs, thoughts and words. The extreme points of view taken by both the right and the left are fanning the flames in those portions of our population that believe in violence and overthrow.

In my humble opinion, it is time for each of us to take a serious internal look and to re-focus our efforts on winning positive influence instead of always tearing down those that may disagree with our point of view. The constant attack by both sides is tearing this country apart when we need to come together and find solutions.

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Fred Duckels 3 years, 11 months ago

The outfall of the Arizona incident has politicians writhing in disbelief as to how such violence could occur. How could people be so barbaric? Let's look at the health bill and it's passage.Al Capone was famous for such tactics that seem to be legal today. In essence my tax money was spent to buy votes for something that I disagreed with. This makes me furious and I'm sure that I am not alone. This passive aggression is bound to incite the same feelings of helplessness that will bring about more violence. The bible says do not pursue another man's wife as he will not forgive you, a little touch of wisdom might be applicable in when deciding that the end justifies the means.

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MrTaiChi 3 years, 11 months ago

Again I find myself in agreement with JLM. The actions of someone so outside the norms of behavior are crazy and aren't a stain on our culture and don't indict our society. It may turn out that this guy is psychotic. That's more likely than that he is an Episcopal bishop. A month or two ago, someone on these blogs said that the United States is the most violent country in the world. The ignorance of such a remark is staggering. Ask yourself when was the last time you actually witnessed physical violence between adults in your day to day activities? What age were you when you had your last fistfight? I was fourteen. I remember thinking that if I liked my teeth, I'd better find another way to resolve conflicts. The reality is that we are a remarkably peaceful culture and that violence of the sort described here is so rare that it shocks and is newsworthy.

And partisanship, vicious personal attacks on Washington in the press of the time probably had most to do with his leaving office after two terms. It's probably only in the twentieth century that news media even attempted to be objective, and that interlude is over now.

The rise of trade unionism was accompanied with frequent violence, but the left of its time didn't get too upset about the hyperbole of the union organizers. Class warfare was tolerable to them so long as the establishment was being attacked. Again, the rage of the left is 'noble and just'; whereas counterrevolutionaries doing the same thing are 'dangerous and must be suppressed.'

I am disppointed in Mr. O'Connell's article because it betrays naivete. Except for the battle over slavery, our political process has been shown to function and work pretty well in the long view. We are all distressed that the current crop of politicians seems to nakedly pursue private interest, but they are beginning to understand that they can't hide their venality with this technology. It's as likely that things will get better as that they will get worse.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

For once I agree with Trump as long as we don't lose our freedom of speech because after all we still have a Government. The new personal internet ID?

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jimmmmmm 3 years, 11 months ago

You say that Seeuski, but your many words/rants above tell a different story. Below are just a few of your lovely quotes:

"The Anarchist Nazi left winger who committed that heinous crime yesterday..." He was a whack job, what makes him a left winger?

"The attempts by the left wingers like Olberman and yourself to silence the Conservative movement by claiming we caused this crime is another failing tactic and what is so wrong with this political environment." It was your hero Sarah "Cross Hairs" Palin who put the stupid web site up, and stated "Don't retreat, RELOAD".

"This is the only way you people can try and defeat the Tea Party movement and Sarah Palin, by creating lies and intentions that never existed." No, Sarah will defeat herself with lies and stupidity.

And my personal favorite,

"The left wing fools will eat their words as usual. You are clearing the path for Palins Presidential bid in 2012, thank you." Now that's funny. I think a Palin/Bachman ticket ought to put a lot of unemployed comedians back to work.

Nice try Seeuski, but it's more of the same with you.

"The vast majority of the hate has been produced by the left..." Really?? Now I know your employed by the Tea Party.

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kathy foos 3 years, 11 months ago

To Bob McConnell,I've been thinking about your retreat from the Republican party.As a independent Republican myself (I have no problem voting for a Democrat if I feel so inclined) ,but more admire the party of the Republicans , .I'm pretty wishy-washy in other words.I don't blindly vote for every Republican,they must prove themselves.With you quitting,its not a good example for working through problems.I respect your opinion and 'm sure that you have accomplished a lot for this party,but for future change,it will take compromise from everyone,a willingness to move ahead,including the Tea Party.That party wants change but to what?Who is their leader?Who is the Republicans nominee for president going to be?I mean no offense to her,but I would never vote for Sarah Palin.Where are the other options?I don't want Huckabee at all.Donald Trump mentioned it possibly,don't know about that one. Somebody better step forward soon and if its Palin,then I'll follow back to independent or something.I wont write a story about it in the paper.

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Kevin Nerney 3 years, 11 months ago

MrTaiChi- While I tend to usually agree with you I think you are a little of base calling us a "peaceful culture". This is a bit off topic of Bobs' editorial, but having been born in "peacetime " after the Korean War it was a short lived peace. Virtually my whole life has been (as the talking heads say) "life during war times" . Even during the lull of all out war their has been violence in the streets. Rodney King riots come to mind. I don't recall arresting to many "pacifists" during my stint with the NYPD but I also like my teeth so I told many a "perp" come quietly or I'll have to shoot you, but I won't fight you. The number of police funerals held around the country also tends to reveal the amount of violence in this country. Come to think of it I think the Human Race as a whole is bent on violence. Follow history from the time of the Greeks and Romans through the Huns and Mongols and all the wars leading to present day an awful lot of people have died at the hand of violence. Although I read somewhere that only 2 % of the human race has died in a war that is a huge amount of blood spilled. (spilt)? Does violence have to result in death? What is the percentage if you include maimed or injured? I don't think it's going to get better or worse, it's just going to continue as it always has.

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MrTaiChi 3 years, 11 months ago

Kevin,

If you equate crime with violence, then our lives are not free of worry, ever, especially the underclass, whose young men attend State Prison U. at a rate of 25% at any given time. But not all crimes are violent, and lifetime work as a police officer can influence your view of human nature. I was talking about our daily lives, not walking around a bad neighborhood at 3:00 AM.

We are a society that combines diverse religious and political philosophies. Things sometimes get nasty, but in the long term, usually we head in the right direction. Who could ever have expected that Protestants and Catholics would find common ground as Americans when in1884, Pope Leo XIII, issued a papal bull, 'Humanum Genus', in which he said that the church opposed the separation of church and state, the secular education of children and even the concept that people could make their own laws. Protestant Ku Kluxers threatened American ideals, but eventually the south, of which they were a fringe element, came around to embrace civil rights. Eastern European Jews were the backbone of the American Communist party, but one of our frequent contributors here is pretty conservative, I think most would agree and has acknowledged his ethnicity. There is Cap Weinberger, Wolfowitz, and a lot of other neo-cons who are more recent examples that ideologically any ethicity can change the politics of identity and merge into the American mainstream. The worrying modern trend is to celebrate diversity and to oppose the melting pot. Some celebrations seem to take on a hostility to the country that shelters and nourishes them.

Mr. O'Connell just isn't giving the system enough time to self correct.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

Ok jimmmmmmmmmm my left wing friend, here is a nice compilation of recent left wing hate that you are certainly aware of. And the reason I called the killer all those names in my first post is because of the books he had on his internet pages which included Mein Kampf(sp?). His high school friends were quoted in describing this scumbag as a leftwinger, sorry but the facts are the facts, can't change em.

Thanks to the work of Michelle Malkin for these ugly memories: http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

I think your clan owns the trophy for the race in hate filled rhetoric.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

@MrTaiChi, The reason people like me don't fit the societal ideal of "the mold" is because we think independently from the masses and have open minds. While I grew up a "moderate Dem" I saw and felt the changes to the Party that left me. I don't always conform to the beliefs of those of the Conservative side because of it. In my extended family there are a few who openly consider themselves Socialists and even one who is a lousy Communist, I can't stand that nut, he was one of the 60's Hippies and was involved with the radicals in SF during the heyday. It never fails to frustrate me why people would flee from Countries that oppress their populations under Socialism/Communism only to seek out that very same disorder in the USA. It's the exact definition of insanity. I wish I weren't compelled to post such crap as the above post but I believe that the left needs to be confronted with the hypocritical truth they operate under.

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jimmmmmm 3 years, 11 months ago

Yeah right Seeuski-you've got too much powder floating around your head. Funny how Fox calls him a left winger, and MSNBC calls him a right winger. Typical political bs-the political media has to tag him with something. I think you said it in one of your rants above, but this was one sick individual, so who cares what his political views were/are. He's not a left winger or a right winger-he's a whack job. Did you see his mug shot? Creepy. Thought you'd take the responsible path and avoid the political games with this one, but you'd better not put your salary from the Tea Party bankroll at risk. If you're not collecting, you should be. Palin/Bachman/Seeuski in 2012.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

BTW, no one is trying to silence any movement. As the Daily Show said before the Rally to Restore Sanity, "I may disagree with you, but I am pretty sure you are not Hitler".

No sane person is saying people cannot discuss political differences. It is just that political differences should be discussed as if the other person is well intentioned, but wrong due to philosophical differences, different understanding of facts and so on. When people say the other side is evil and is part of a plot to destroy the country then that is wrong.

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

The more we learn about the gunman, the more clear it is he's a whackjob of the first magnitude. Attributing his rampage to political rhetoric is beyond asinine, and the left knows it - as evidenced by their silence when they & their own champions use the same language & tactics they excoriate in their political opponents (see: President Obama's ass kicking, gun toting, suicide bombing spew posted earlier in this thread).

And for the record: I find nothing "extreme" about any of the President's remarks I've spotlighted. And neither do our resident libs. They only object to that sort of rhetoric if it emanates from the right; which means they don't object to it at all: pure, unadulterated sophistry in service to political gamesmanship. Hypocrisy, thy name is the American left. By embracing Saturday's carnage in pursuit of political exploitation, it has reached a new and repellent low.

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Steve Lewis 3 years, 11 months ago

Sep, You make the mistake of pigeonholing the left as you please. Pick the worst 4 and that's everybody to you? That's part of the problem with our dialogue.

Obama is no more the epitome of the left than Bush was the epitome of the right. Same goes for the fringe comments above.

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Steve Lewis 3 years, 11 months ago

Trump's recommendation of introspection and mutual respect is by far the most useful comment. Thanks for that.

I agree the shooter was a sick man. We may find that he was more angry than insane? But I know too many Republicans and Democrats to associate his “political” action as belonging to any of them or their party.

If his sickness is the one thing we can agree on, this is based on his shooting rampage. The scraps of his biography known so far are next to meanlingless in comparison. He chose to shoot Giffords rather than talk with her. That’s sick.

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Ken Reed 3 years, 11 months ago

seeuski,

Is your real name Bob McConnell or are you related to him?

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Steve Lewis 3 years, 11 months ago

Perhaps someone can describe what a "second amendment remedy" would look like?

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

Salient observations from Charles Krauthammer (a Harvard-trained shrink), on the challenge of pre-empting someone like Loughner: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/256894/krauthammers-take-nro-staff

"But I think generally speaking the Virginia Tech shooter had problems and fell through the cracks. In the case of Loughner we had a classmate who was e-mailing contemporaneously … that he [Loughner] was unstable and dangerous and imagined he was a guy who would come in and shoot up a class. She sat at the back of the class near the door so she would be the first one out.

This guy had five encounters with campus police. But as the campus police told the instructor of the algebra class: We can’t do anything until he does something.

That’s the problem with the liberty we have in the country and with the current standard. In the past, 50, 60 years ago, if you had a person who was disturbed and dangerous, you could involuntarily commit that person. In fact, I did just that in my days as a psychiatrist at the Mass[achusetts] General [Hospital].

The standard now is much, much higher and much more difficult, because we have a sense of [individual] autonomy … and want [government] to stay out of it. This is a guy that his classmates even suspected would end up a shooter — and yet you couldn’t do anything until he struck. Now, of course, it’s too late."

The notion of involuntary commitment makes my skin crawl. However, in any group of 300 million people, there are going to be some sketchy characters on the fringe. Relaxing the involuntary commitment threshold may be worth discussing.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

A beautiful response to the people of America from the Lady who is the target of the hate mongers. http://vimeo.com/18698532

Also, The only reason many of you on here are now calling for reason is because you can't find any way to connect the "wacko killer" to the Conservatives,PERIOD! I wish we had more Leaders like Sarah who have the "right stuff". Peace.

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pitpoodle 3 years, 11 months ago

Sep, I do not believe we want our government involved in determining who needs to be "involuntarily" locked up because some bureaucrat makes that decision. I realize this is a simplistic statement but I do not believe you can lock people up because someone, sitting at the back of a classroom, thinks they are crazy. I am sure you are aware, it is more complex than that. Personally, I am convinced his parents are at the root cause. They raised him. He learned from them. Apparently, they took no action even when alerted (I suspect alerted many times). Blaming anyone else, society, tea party, Sarah Palin, news media or Democrats in Congress for forcing passage of the unpopular health care bill is beside the point and dangerous all around.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

Have to admire the publicity machine that is Sarah Palin. She could have just said her comments didn't cause the shooting and that she considered the accusations to be libel. But no, she says "blood libel" which until today referred to the lie that Jews killed Christian kids and used the blood in religious rituals. So she takes the lie that has a special place in the persecution of Jews and says that applies to her situation.

Beautiful touch of how to tweak a message so that it gets maximum publicity.

Even conservative Jonah Greenberg criticized the use of that term.

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

pitpoodle:

Presumably, the decision would be made by a panel of mental health professionals, with oversight & supervision up the wazoo. But I share your unease.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

Lewi, Maybe a "second amendment remedy" refers to the thought that it should be rewritten so that suspected mentally ill people do not have a constitutional right to carry a semi automatic handgun with a 30 clip magazine.

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pitpoodle 3 years, 11 months ago

Scott, you are reading your bias into the Palin message in an effort to, I guess, discredit and condemn her. I suggest you stop it now. And no rewriting of the Constitution either.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

Pitpoodle, What bias? Look up the term "Blood Libel" and look at all sources prior to 1/10/2011. As of yesterday, "blood libel" referred to the anti Semitic lie that Jews used the blood of Christian kids and mixed the blood into matzos.

And I was giving her credit for maintaining the Sarah Palin publicity machine, not discrediting or condemning her.

Well, I know some think the original Constitution was great and should not have been rewritten, but it took a Civil War to change the original wording so that a slave was no longer recognized as property and counted as 3/5th of a person. I think that was an important and very wise rewriting of the Constitution.

If the Supreme Court is going to use a historical interpretation of the Second Amendment of citizens armed with the same guns as the militia then it would appear that a suspected mentally unstable person has the constitutional right to carry even a fully automatic handgun with an unlimited size clip of armor piercing rounds. At some point it will be noticed that a mentally unstable person with these sort of guns is a much greater threat to the public than with just a knife or even a bolt action hunting rifle. And so maybe the public will tire off the massacres and make illegal the sort of guns designed to kill many people quickly.

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jimmmmmm 3 years, 11 months ago

Seeuski-just a short list of hate produced by the right that you have obviously overlooked. But, your right, all hate is from the left.

-- July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how "liberals" are "destroying America," walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

-- October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

-- December 2008: A pair of "Patriot" movement radicals -- the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted "to attack the political infrastructure" -- threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.

-- December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear "dirty bomb" in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

-- January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

-- April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

-- April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.

-- May 2009: A "sovereign citizen" named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

-- March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.

-- May 2010: A "sovereign citizen" from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.

-- July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.

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pitpoodle 3 years, 11 months ago

Your intent, obviously, was not to give her credit. That's pure BS. Your bias is definitely showing- might as well admit it. No rewriting of the Constitution. No thanks.

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thalgard 3 years, 11 months ago

Maybe Sarah the quitter is really Jewish...or is she just an idiot?

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

I was trying to give Sarah Palin, host of Sarah Palin's Alaska, credit for continuing to feed the Sarah Palin publicity machine.

It was absolutely brilliant for her to include the term "blood libel" because now her video message is one of most highly discussed topics of the day. With her persona no one is sure if she knows what that terms means or what exactly she meant by using it. So using a term that would have ended the career of most people (especially with Giffords being jewish), she gets a massive amount of publicity.

And Pitpoodle, I am glad that the original Constitution was rewritten via the 13th and and 14th Amendments to no longer recognize that slaves are property and also count as 3/5ths of a person for allocating Congressional seats. Thus, on the point of original Constitution versus rewritten Constitution, I respectively disagree with you.

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thalgard 3 years, 11 months ago

Ms Palin's is either deeply anti-semitic, or just incredibly stupid. She has lowered the level of political discourse to a truckstop yelling match. The best thing to do is ignore her, but it is kind of like driving by an accident, you just have to look.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 11 months ago

Thalgard, Ms Palin is neither because no ordinary person could have thought of using the term "blood libel" to respond to criticism that is considered unfair. A anti-semitic person would have simply blamed jews (see Sanchez being fired from CNN) and an ignorant person would never have thought of the term.

She has an exceptional gift of recognizing phrases that provoke and using them in a way which suggest that her words do not have their normal meaning so that she is not expected to defend the literal interpretations of her comments. Somehow she came up with "blood libel", but used it in a context in which "great libel" would have made more sense than "blood libel". Cause if she meant "blood libel" then she is saying she is being persecuted for lies when the rest of the speech is more about tough talk has always been around so get over it.

If someone like Mitt Romney had said "blood libel" then his career would be over because no one would believe he didn't intend the jewish persecution comparison.

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thalgard 3 years, 11 months ago

No such thing as bad publicity. That Quitter on Twitter just soaks it in, and the press does too. Never before has such an incompetent nincompoop, oh wait I forgot Bush, sought such public recognition for failing. She failed the people of Alaska, she failed her children, and she failed the Republican constituency by so lowering the bar of political discourse that it has become worse than a parody of itself.

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thalgard 3 years, 11 months ago

I won't forget this one, it's up there on the level of Coulter's "Jews just need to be perfected" comment. How anyone of the Jewish faith can have any confidence in these right wing nutjobs, I cannot guess.

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

Alan Dershowitz defends Palin: http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/01/12/exclusive-alan-dershowitz-defends-sarah-palins-use-of-term-blood-libel/

"The term “blood libel” has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse. Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim. The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term."

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pitpoodle 3 years, 11 months ago

Mr. left-wing Thaigard: I believe, in this blog, you have just become just like the Sarah Palin you so meanly describe and so detest. You have lowered the level of political discourse to a truck stop (no offense to truckers) yelling match - right here in black and white. If you have not been asked to get a psychiatric evaluation, maybe you should consider it before your hatred gets out of hand and we read about you in the paper.

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thalgard 3 years, 11 months ago

Pit..I don't hate Ms. Palin, I find her very existence in the political arena fascinating. I also never meant to insult truckers. I just think that not even Saturday Night Live could come up with what is said by some on the Right. I just wish that the Right Wing in this country could come up with some ideas..instead of just more rhetoric.

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Steve Lewis 3 years, 11 months ago

Don't you folks have ANYTHING in common?

Give it a break.

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Brian Kotowski 3 years, 11 months ago

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach offers quite an in-depth examination of the term ‘blood libel’; its origins and evolution. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703583404576079823067585318.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion

He also says this about Palin: “Despite the strong association of the term with collective Jewish guilt and concomitant slaughter, Sarah Palin has every right to use it. The expression may be used whenever an amorphous mass is collectively accused of being murderers or accessories to murder.

The abominable element of the blood libel is not that it was used to accuse Jews, but that it was used to accuse innocent Jews—their innocence, rather than their Jewishness, being the operative point. Had the Jews been guilty of any of these heinous acts, the charge would not have been a libel.”

At the WSJ, James Taranto cites a number of contemporary examples of the term being used by other pundits http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703583404576079810472530134.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion :

Abe Rosenthal, blasting Pat Buchanan’s condemnation of American support for Israel: “We are not dealing here with country-club anti-Semitism but with the blood libel that often grows out of it: Jews are not like us but are others, with alien loyalties for which they will sacrifice the lives of Americans.”

Andrew Sullivan, going after the GOP NY gubernatorial candidate last year: “Paladino speaks of "perverts who target our children and seek to destroy their lives." This is the gay equivalent of the medieval (and Islamist) blood-libel against Jews.”

Democrat Congressman Peter Deutsch, slamming GOP accusations that Al Gore was trying to discourage servicemen & women from voting, & that it was “…like a blood libel.”

One wonders if our resident libs find any of these pronouncements to be just as reprehensible as Palin's.

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seeuski 3 years, 11 months ago

So I have been away for a couple of days and wanted to let things simmer down but have to answer to the idiotic comments by non-Jews and their use of the "blood libel" issue in their continuing attacks on Sarah Palin, who happens to be a great friend of the State of Israel and of the Jewish people. Sarah actually chooses her words carefully and uses them in an appropriate fashion as to the "blood libel" context in this case. The left is painting all opposition to their agenda with the same hateful brush and have been trying to attach ANY devious activity to the Tea Party by any means possible, which means by falsifying reality with lies and faked imagery ie. the African American toting an automatic rifle at Obamas health care rally. Lets look at what us Jews think and feel about this "blood libel" concept and why Sarah chose the perfect historical reference in her comments. http://jewsforsarah.com/?p=5848 @Thalgard, I understood Anne Coulters meaning of the "perfected" comment, I have had Christians through my life try and bring me to Jesus, I can see that they only Love and want to save and I can deal with it, it is the so called "religion of peace" that wants to remove my head from my torso which is the big threat, so I will see at the end of my days who was right, but for now, Sarah Palin is a friend to the Jews, not too sure about Obama.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't think Sarah Palin should be our President anymore than I think our current Commander in Chief should be where he is. I think that the good majority of Americans were dooped into believing Obama's "hope&change" spiel, rather than admitting to themselves that he might just be another crooked politician. After all, have they ever really been able to undoubtedly prove that he was truly born in this country?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=252833

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