Rick Akin: Hope springs eternal

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With much sound and fury, the government shutdown (and interruption in the supply of government cheese) has been averted with a “historic” deal to cut $38.5 billion from anticipated government spending this fiscal year.

But, folks, this is a sideshow. This “historic” cut is only about 1 percent of the roughly $3.82 trillion set to be spent this fiscal year (there is no actual budget for this year), and more than 0.27 percent of the national debt, which is almost $14.3 trillion. This is little more than a drop in the ocean.

The president’s proposed budget for fiscal year 2012 is equally discouraging. It would double the publicly held portion of the national debt by the end of the president’s first term and triple it by 2021. It would also impose $1.5 trillion in new taxes and keep federal spending above 23 percent of gross domestic product indefinitely. This is unsustainable and a failure in leadership. It only ignores the elephant in the room.

These budget maneuvers (and the drama associated with them) highlight a misunderstanding by what seems to be a large majority of Washington politicians from all parties. Despite the Washington politicians’ exaggerated view of their own importance, wealth, prosperity and innovation do not spread across the country from Washington. Quite the opposite is the case. Wealth, innovation and prosperity spring from those of us outside the government, including (and really especially) those of us out here in flyover country. Washington politicians, take heed, your first job is not to kill private innovation and wealth creation. It is what makes America great, and it is the only thing that will pull us out of the mess that you have created.

Right now, the economy is largely stalled (despite the allegations of a recovery) because of uncertainty and fear. For the most, part this is a direct result of excessive influence over the economy by the federal government and the unpredictable nature of government policy. Why would an entrepreneur invest in a new venture when employee cost (mostly because of health care) is uncertain, availability of bank lending is uncertain and Federal Reserve monetary policies are uncertain? This is Exhibit A in making the case that the government is incompetent to run the economy. More government intervention (and just more government, period) only will result in more of the same.

You do not have to take my word for the virtues of limited government; just look out your window or check your bank account.

There is hope. Somewhat lost in the news this week is the announcement of a budget proposal by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan. While all the details are not yet filled in, it would reduce spending by $6.2 trillion throughout 10 years compared with the president’s budget. It would reform welfare, social security, Medicare and Medicaid. It would reform the tax code, setting the maximum income tax rate at 25 percent while eliminating a horde of deductions and loopholes. In short, the Ryan budget would force a reduction in the size of the federal government. It also would transform Medicaid to a block grant program for the states. If you have ever complained to your state representatives about state spending, you know their first excuse is forced Medicaid spending.

So, just maybe, this proposal will help in restraining the size of state government as well. It also would address the looming unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare that almost all Washington politicians are determined to ignore.

So, Congressman Ryan, thank you. You have teed up the issues that this country desperately needs to understand and debate. Let’s hope that you and your colleagues can stay strong and force a reasoned debate about these issues. Let’s hope you can expose the hypocrisy and illogic of those who insist that bigger government is the solution to all problems. Congressman Ryan, let’s hope that, with the help of those of us in the private sector, you and your colleagues can save America’s freedom.

Rick Akin is an attorney practicing in Steamboat Springs, Denver and Austin, Texas, a former member of the Steamboat Pilot & Today Editorial Board, and is Vice Chairman of The Steamboat Institute. He holds a Bachelor of Arts in letters from the University of Oklahoma and a doctorate from the University of Texas.

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Fred Duckels 4 years, 4 months ago

Rick, I suspect that getting meaningful spending cuts will be like pulling teeth, but The voters recently have shown a new awareness and politicians always like to be in the political wind. The rust belt states are in turmoil trying to come to terms with collective bargaining and endless entitlements and this direction may be turning too. Karl Marx predicted our situation of voting a free ride, and proving him wrong will be a challenge.

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zozobee 4 years, 4 months ago

Ridiculous. Mr Akin, your opinion piece is ridiculous. The budget proposed by Paul Ryan is ridiculous. The assertion that it will "reduce spending by $6.2 trillion throughout 10 years" is a complete fabrication. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that, because of increased tax cuts in the proposal, debt will climb much more in the next 10 years than if nothing at all is changed. The proposal privatizes Medicare but does nothing to cut back its costs. That would be a disaster. The vouchers would nowhere near cover the cost of private insurance. We would either have seniors forgoing insurance and being uncovered (that, by the way, means we would all end paying for the care that they will eventually all need) and losing all of their savings, houses, etc or we would just have to increase the cost of the vouchers, spending any proposed savings. Are you or your friends or your parents unhappy with medicare. I doubt it - it is the most cherished program by the people who use it. Ask them!! It is a critical safety net. Proposed saving in lives and $$ from the Planned Parenthood changes - fabrications. Ryans budget will quite clearly cause more abortions and create an additional cost to the country far beyond the proposed savings. Planned Parenthood does family planning. That is a good thing - their good work prevents unwanted pregnancies - in 2006 their work prevented what would have been over 800,000 abortions resulting from 1.9 million unwanted pregnancies. I could go on and on - Ryans budget and Akins buying into it clearly reveals partisan politics and rhetoric at its worst. At its worst because it puts this country more in the hole and places our most vulnerable citizens at great risk.

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heboprotagonist 4 years, 4 months ago

I love how fiscal conservatives from "fly over states" and "main-street" think they know better than our elected officials. Clearly, if you knew better you'd be a politician. Instead, your just a guy who writes letters to the editor of his local paper and pats himself on the back.

Also, don't assume that your measure of what makes this country great applies to the rest of us. The sooner we realize that the government is not in the business of turning a profit, the better. Economic indicators are not the end all be all of success or fulfillment. If you want to spend your time accumulating wealth and the hollow promise of the American Dream, so be it. Just don't try to force the rest of us to "buy" in. I'm happy experiencing life in this valley, and I've found I don't need a lot of money or a stable economy to do that. I take pleasure in a good cup of coffee, riding my bike along the Yampa core trail, and letting blowhards like yourself know that I see through all the flag-waving jingoism, right to the core of your self-righteous indignation.

The only forces "killing private innovation and wealth creation" are giant corporations and the wealthy elite that run them. By the way, I thought socialist were trying to redistribute wealth, not consolidate it. Which is it?

I understand your fear. The worry that some gigantic regulating force is going to crush your spirit. I have the same fear. The difference is you're afraid of democracy (yes, despite your claims we've voted our way into this "mess") and I'm afraid my vote will be cancelled out by corporations. I can admit that I'm a bit of an extreme lefty- not in a boastful manner, but in that I'm comfortable in my role. Can you say the same thing, or will you deny and spin?

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sledneck 4 years, 4 months ago

"A democracy can not exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess (goodies) from the public treasury. From that moment on the public always votes for the candidate promising the most from the public treasury. The result is that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy and is always followed by a dictatorship." Some say this quote was from Tyler, others say de Tocqueville.

Either way they were describing Heboprotagonist and Zozobee. Their sentiment is proof that this nation will follow the authors' condemnation. Their tone is music to a dictators ears.

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heboprotagonist 4 years, 4 months ago

And you, Sled, are nothing more than a corporate patsy. G'head, deny all you want, that's exactly what they expect you to do.

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sledneck 4 years, 4 months ago

A "corporate patsy"?
"They" expect me to deny being a "corporate patsy"?

I don't know where to start, hebo.

Corporations kill innovation and wealth? Really?

Would that be the corporations who provide your coffee, the ones who built your bike, or the ones who paved the Yampa Core Trail?

There is an old Russian fable about how envy and jealousy corrupts a persons thinking. It goes like this: Borris and Ivan were 2 russian boys who were exactly alike except Boris had a goat. One day Ivan found a magic lamp and the geenie gave him one wish. Anything he wanted! Ivan proclaimed boldly "I want Borris' goat to die!"

Envy and jealousy are killing this nation.

hebo, If it is true that you get satisfaction from things that "don't take a lot of money or stable economy" then why do you hate it so much when those who contrubute so much to the government want to stop the waste? Whats it to you???

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Great piece Rick, it obviously hit a nerve with the Marxists among us as is witnessed in a couple of responses, and go ahead and try and claim that a people/country that is relying on the Government for handouts, jobs, healthcare, automobiles, student loans, financial market manipulations, wealth redistribution, retirement income, school controls, etc, etc. is not a Fascist/Marxist state. Heck, all of Obama's czars are admitted Marxists or Communists in the Alinsky mold, which by the way is now required book reading in many US public schools. What a nightmare.

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Brian Kotowski 4 years, 4 months ago

I appreciate the contributions of people like heboprotaganist. Whether they realize it or not, their arrogance and condescension re: “fly over” people are instructive, and their faith in the political class to rule over us, even more so. I have to believe heboprotaganist heartily approves the San Francisco legislature’s recent ban of Happy Meals from its fair city. Because the Great Unwashed are not to be trusted with the care and feeding of their young, and couldn’t possibly “know better than our elected officials” how to raise the victims of their unchecked breeding.

As Fred suggests, voters are becoming increasingly aware of elitist overreach – a trend to be encouraged.

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NamVet 4 years, 4 months ago

I applaud Cong. Ryan for addressing the massive deficit the US continues to add to. What I find totally missing from his proposal is any kind of"shared sacrifice". Unlike the Deficit Reduction Commission which was a balanced approach where all Americans shared in the pain Ryan's plan is mostly on Medicaid and Medicare. The Military Industrial Complex is almost totally exempt. Taxes are cut again on top of the Bush tax cuts and all taxes on Capital Gains are done away with. Considering most very wealthy people make the great majority the their money from Capital Gains not salary this would pretty much zero out their tax liability. As Warren Buffet said his salary of $100,000 a year would only be taxed though he makes close to $1 billion from Capital Gains.
Ryan says that his plan will balance the budget, pay off the debt, reduce unemployment to 2.8%. This is what Pres. Bush said about his tax cuts in 2001. Instead unemployment rose to 8.8%, from 4% ,the federal budget grew to $3.2 trillion from $1.8 trillion, the national debt rose from $5 trillion to $11.4 trillion all happening under Conservative Republican control. This country needs a balanced plan that includes entitlement cuts, defense cuts, real tax reform or a flat tax with NO deductions, credits or exemptions, reduction of the corporate tax rate and revenue increase. Using mostly tax cuts to the top 1 % paid for by Medicare and Medicaid cuts will not trickle down and grow the economy as both Pres. Reagan and Pres. Bush have proved.

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sledneck 4 years, 4 months ago

Nam, I agree with you on the lack of reasonable cuts for military. I don't know what the problem is but it sure seems like the war machine has too tight a grip.

Also we certainly do need a flat tax with NO deductions. And you can eliminate all the farm subsidies, etc. too.

The fact that the American people are right now paying wealthy farmers NOT to grow stuff while our nation goes bankrupt is proof positive that hebo's notion that we can rely on the smart government is utterly insane.

However, I would argue that people who make $$$ thru capital gains have ALREADY paid income taxes. This is why a national sales tax is needed. It would tax everyone fairly and there would be no loopholes. Even drug money would be hit with the tax when it was taken to the grocery store or car dealership, etc.

There are a lot of retirees who use capital gains as their only means of a very MEAGER income (from stocks, bonds, etc) If Warren Buffet and others want to pay more taxes they are free to check the box at the bottom of the tax form.

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Troutguy 4 years, 4 months ago

The fact that military spending, farm subsidies, oil subsidies, etc. are not part of the debate in Washington is because that is where politicians get their 'war chests' for election/re-election. Want to see who's getting the biggest tax breaks and deductions? Follow the trail of campaign contibutions. The fact that one of America's largests corporations like GE can pay no federal taxes is insane. While our corporate tax rate, at 35%, is one of the highest in the world, most of America's largest corporations such as GE pay virtually no tax at all due to a maze of tax shelters, credits and subsidies. The corporate share of the nation's tax revenue has gone from 30% in the mid 1950's to 6.6% in 2009. If corporate tax rates are to be lowered, all loopholes and tax breaks must be closed.

As for our military empire, we now have 737 military bases worldwide and troops deployed in 150 countries. We are involved in two ground wars and one, well, I'm not quite sure what Libya is. We build fighter jets the military doesn't want or need, but they are built in a powerful congressman's district, so we get them anyway. We spend more on our military than the next 15 or so countries combined, with the US spending $698 billion in 2009. China comes in at a distant second, spending $119 billion. The list goes on and on. Instead, we cut education, infastructure spending, etc. Small peanuts compared to spending cuts we really should be talking about. But we're not because our political leaders are just shills for big moneyed interests and nothing else. Now that the Supreme Court has decided that corporations are people and can give 'contributions' to anyone running for office, nothing is going to change. We might as well just cut out the middle man and elect corporations to office. Just think of what President Citibank could bring to the table. Vice President ExxonMobile has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

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1999 4 years, 4 months ago

trout and sled...we're becoming Idiocracy.

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sledneck 4 years, 4 months ago

Are you talkin about the movie? I think were already there, sorry. America is like a guy that has jumped off the roof of a 100 story building; he has not hit the ground yet but his fate is sealed. As he passes by floors he yells in to the observers "I'm ok, Don't worry, I'm not in trouble" as he hurdles toward the pavement.

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Troutguy 4 years, 4 months ago

We already have 'death panels'. They're called desk jockeys at your insurance company. Need heart surgery? We can't cover it. Need that prescription filled. Pay yourself, because we don't cover that medicine. Just a few of the 'death panels' I have encountered over the last few years while trying to stay alive. The Ryan plan does nothing to hold down medical costs. What happens when grandma blows thru her whole $15,000 allotment in the first 4 or 5 months? Who's going to pay for health care for the next 7 or 8 months? Don't really think we need to fear government owning industry. Just the opposite is happening. Industry owns government, so when industry needs a bailout, govt is right there to help their masters. And lastly, class warfare?? Really? Letting the existing tax rate revert back to what is was in 2000 is class warfare? When these tax cuts were put in place, they were set to expire because they were not paid for. Not funded. We upped our deficit spending to pay for these tax cuts while starting two unfunded wars). If anybody can show me that those tax cuts created jobs, I'd love to see it. Under the Bush administration, the U.S. saw the worst percentage of job creation since Herbert Hoover. But somehow, under those 'tax warfare' higher tax rates during the Clinton administration, we saw strong economic growth and job creation. Up is down, black is white, left is right in a bizzarro world that says tax cuts create jobs. Even St. Reagan, after cutting taxes in his first year in office, realized revenues had gone too low. So, in 1982 & 84, he signed into law the biggest tax increase during peacetime. Companies are sitting on record amounts of cash right now, and still not hiring. So, your saying that if we add some more cash onto this already giant pile of money, companies will finally start to hire more?

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

WARNING: Graphic leftwing hate on display at Oregon Tea Party event. These are sub-humans, I am not sure where they come from but they are not Americans. Again, WARNING,WARNING, bad language: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7l-pE...

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

And another example of the true racists, they want people to believe that the Tea Party is racist but here is the evidence that it is the left. Graphic language warning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgV3PZ...

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JLM 4 years, 4 months ago

The last approved budget --- FY 2009 --- was $3.456T.

$38B as a percentage of $3.456T is 1.09%.

Nobody --- Republicans, Democrats, Pres Obama --- is really contemplating any real tax cuts. They are only talking about reducing the rate of growth.

Nobody has the guts to just say --- go back to the FY 2008 budget and start cutting from there. Nobody.

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JLM 4 years, 4 months ago

In every instance in which taxes have been cut --- Kennedy, Reagan, Bush, etc --- Federal receipts INCREASED in the years thereafter.

Interestingly enough, one of the most ardent proponents of tax cuts was John Kennedy because he understood such cuts would unlock capital gains and the Treasury receipts would increase.

Look it up. This is easily validated.

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Troutguy 4 years, 4 months ago

I did look it up. Federal receipts under Bush actually went down in the first couple years after the 2001 tax cut. Seems to be the same with Reagan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CBO_Revenues_Outlays_Percentage_GDP.svg Looks like we had declining Govt. spending and a steady revenue increase during the Clinton years, when tax rates actually went up. Also looks like we had declining revenues and increased Govt. spending during the Reagan years. In fact, revenues went up and Govt spending went down right when Clinton took office. Revenues went down and spending went up right after he left office. Kinda throws that whole "tax and spend" liberal mantra into the crapper, don't you think? It seems the GOP comes across as "cut taxes and spend" conservatives.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

@JLM

"Interestingly enough, one of the most ardent proponents of tax cuts was John Kennedy because he understood such cuts would unlock capital gains and the Treasury receipts would increase."

Do you not think that mentioning that taxes were cut from 90% to 70% for the highest earners under Kennedy is an important fact that you left out? There is quite a difference between the current high of 35% and 70% wouldn't you agree?

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

@Scott Let me see if I understand your position or argument on this string correctly, you are for raising the personal tax rate to 70% and on the other forum string you are arguing for lowering taxes for the big oil companies? And you want me to believe you are not a Democrat or that these positions are not political? Yea right. Will someone please show me where in history there is a correlation between higher tax rates and an entrepreneurial movement and an increase in jobs and prosperity, anyone? And please provide a link to the source.

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Troutguy 4 years, 4 months ago

Clinton presided over the biggest job creation under any President. 22.7 million. Last I checked, we had higher tax rates then compared to Reagan and Bush II. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms And I also believe we had the dot-com boom in the '90s didn't we? That was a pretty big entrepeneurial movement. http://www.answers.com/topic/what-was-the-1990s-boom

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See- I never, nor does any rational person support raising taxes to 70% for the highest earners. What I pointed out is that it is disingenuous to discuss the Kennedy tax cuts without mentioning what the tax rates were at the time. His tax cuts were actually put into law under Johnson. At the same, there were also increases in capital gains taxes. So, please do not attempt to twist what I said.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

I voted for Clinton twice, it wasn't until the Repubs took the other two branches of Gov't in 2004 that he triangulated and worked with the other side to the benefit of the Country. Do you not remember the dotcom bubble bursted? Then we entered into a mini recession, then we had 9/11, then Bush dropped tax rates twice to restart the economy. If we didn't have a Gov't agency that is chartered by Congress to spread the wealth around through unsavory lending practices then we would not be in this pickle. Anyway, after reading both of your links along with the comment page on wiki I don't see your point here, there is no indication anywhere that higher tax rates were the fuel for any of the economic advances of the late 80's and the 90's. Is your argument about the name and letter next to the POTUS or whether or not raising taxes increases private sector economic activity? I also recommend you read the controversy section of the wiki article you linked to. Can we rely on politically motivated gov't employment #'s? Or can we use other measures for the answers to our economic health? It sure seems obvious that today's unemployment #'s are being massaged, created or saved, underemployed, go figure.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

No Scott, I'll let you do all the twisting, just pointing out your dueling theories. So even with your retort you still have that dueling theory, "At the same, there were also increases in capital gains taxes", higher taxes good on the individual and bad on big oil, great.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

"If we didn't have a Gov't agency that is chartered by Congress to spread the wealth around through unsavory lending practices then we would not be in this pickle."

That is the wackiest ascertion I have ever heard. You were recently made aware of the 75 year existance of the Ex-Im bank and now it is responisible for our "pickle"? That truly makes no sense whatsoever. Your willingness to re-write history to suit your own needs is dangerous.

If you do not like employment numbers used to measure economic growth, how about we use the last time we have a balanced budget or the last time we had a surplus?

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Steve Lewis 4 years, 4 months ago

See, Reading the last few posts, its pretty obvious who is doing the twisting. Scott never suggested raising taxes to 70%.

You have a telling habit of ignoring direct rebuttals like Trouguy posted as well.

Just thought you'd want to know how you look to bystanders.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

@Scott I was referring to Fannie/Freddie and didn't think it needed an introduction, Although you are correct in your new realization that Ex-Im is also backing private and International enterprise with taxpayer backed securities similar to Fannie/Freddie.

@lewi Are you serious? You are claiming to be a bystander? You are left of Scott, of course you will find my responses hard to take, shall we just sit down and shut up and allow the leftwingers free reign to spin reality? Ain't going to happen friend.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

"No Scott, I'll let you do all the twisting, just pointing out your dueling theories. So even with your retort you still have that dueling theory, "At the same, there were also increases in capital gains taxes", higher taxes good on the individual and bad on big oil, great."

See-- I never twisted anything. That is what happened. Please look it up. Tax rates were dropped from 90% to 70% and capital gains taxes were increased. I believe in appropriate levels of taxation. No reasonable person would argue that excessively high taxes, especially on businesses do not have a negative effect on job creation. Isn't that why everyone involved in legitimate fiiscal debate at this time is proposing closing loopholes and decreasing corporate tax rates? There has been little evidence to support the theory that lower personal tax rates on higher earning individuals stimulate job growth. I do not hate the rich or whatever your next accusation will be. There have been times in my life that I have paid the highest tax rate.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Ex-Im invests in illegal drug trade with US taxpayer money:

"Drugs tied to $243M in bogus loans"

http://web.archive.org/web/20071231015132/http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/localnews/news8/stories/wfaa071227_mo_bankdrugs.5adabe14.html

Awesome. Here I haven't had the time to go through all of this so I'll give you the head start Scott. http://washingtonexaminer.com/search/apachesolr_search/ex-im%20bank

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See- I apologize if I misread your earlier comment. There is no disagreement between us that Fannie/Freddie have become dysfunctional and need to somehow be wound down. The only point of debate is how to accomplish that and what role if any the two organizations should play in guaranteeing future loans.

It is obvious that lagre financial institutions played a major role in the recent housing "bust". Derivatives trading and othe speculative instruments were largely unregulated and served the purpose of making billions for a few, while costing the average taxpayer. Goldman Sachs misled their investors and has subsequently misled congress about their actions. For the good of the American people we should hope they do not get away with it.

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Troutguy 4 years, 4 months ago

Ok. Let's try this again. See, you asked somebody to show a correlation between higher tax rates and and entrepeneurial movement and an increase in jobs and prosperity. I showed it to you. Let me spell it out a little simpler. In 1993, Clinton came into office. He soon proposed a tax hike, mostly geared towards the wealthy. During the decade of the 1990s, we had a tech boom. During that decade, we saw almost 24 million jobs created. An unemployment rate that was down to 4.2 in 1999 (unemployment was at 7.5% when Clinton took office). We had productivity gains month after month. GDP growth month after month.
Wall St. added $10 trillion in wealth in the '90s. There was $100 billion in IPO's. Low interest rates Inflation averaging 2.6% a year So, there may be no correlation between all these events to you, See. But, it's hard to avoid the fact that during the '90s, we had higher tax rates, entrepeneurial movement, and an increase in jobs and prosperity.

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Troutguy 4 years, 4 months ago

The U.S. also managed a pretty good growth spurt post WWII - the 1960's. Top tax rates hovered between 70% and 90% during this period. I'd say that definitly qualifies for your litmus test. High tax rates, entepreneurial movement, and an icrease in jobs and prosperity. http://countrystudies.us/united-states/history-114.htm

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Hey, raise the taxes, it won't effect my tax return. Lets have the litmus test against all the reasonable economic realities. If you're desire for a higher tax rate comes true then we will hopefully still be here in a couple of years to argue about the outcome. I will bet you that entitlement spending continues to rise under the Progressive leadership that we have now, that is what the Liberals do with taxes they spend it, and our deficit continues rising. As S+P just warned we will lose our AAA rating and we all go off the cliff together. I suppose you realize that even at a 100% tax rate for the top 5% of earners we would still make little progress in deficit reduction. It's a shame that this is a political football and the truth matters not, we don't have any more time for these games. If the debt limit is raised it will be the 4th time under Obama, when do you guys finally say hey, we have to cut spending and redistributing it is killing the US economy? You can have your imagined victory in this argument if it makes you feel better Trout, enjoy.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

This video of Obama says alot about the demeanor of this man, if Bush had acted in this manner to the MSM he would have been pilloried, and he was treated badly and disrespectfully to his face in many interviews over the years. Check out the end as he de-mikes, I am surprised the reporter got out of the WH alive. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/04/obama-to-reporter-let-me-finish-my-answers-next-time-/1

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

You are getting close Scott, the Governments manipulation of private markets over the decades has caused bubbles and busts, the FED prints money and devalues the dollar which is now at risk, why can't people then understand why our healthcare is the next casualty in this Progressive abuse? And Ex-Im is to International wealth spreading what Fannie/Freddie has been to Domestic wealth spreading, both progressive programs put in place by progressives. Ex-Im and Fannie Mae were instituted under FDR as a part of the New Deal, need I say more?

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pitpoodle 4 years, 4 months ago

I appreciate this letter, Mr. Akin. You are right on the money. We have seen, since Obama was elected: the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. We have had our money confiscated in order to provide bailouts to unions, bankers, automakers, mortgage companies and insurance companies. We are facing the largest debt we have ever seen and a FED that is out of control. And we have a president who wants to continue to wildly spend and will not acknowledge that the Ryan budget will benefit the Country. We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem that class warfare will not solve. Wake up people - or will you wait until the destruction of the builders of wealth is complete before you understand the difference between them and a larger parasitic class that Obama is determined to build.

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housepoor 4 years, 4 months ago

We have seen, since Obama was elected: the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of the world?? Where did wealth go??? from the rich to the poor?? lol your kidding right??

http://vdare.com/roberts/091015_economy.htm

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Troutguy 4 years, 4 months ago

Yawn. More empty talking points from See. Do you have any facts that say my last post was wrong? You asked to show you a time when tax rates were high, blah, blah, blah. I showed you. You ignore facts. You are dead wrong when you claim Liberals are the only ones good at spending our tax money and our deficit continues rising. Reagan, a conservative, tripled our national debt. Gotta love that selective memory. I'll attach this link again that proves, once again, that you're blowing smoke about Liberals and rising debt. Let's keep following that GOP mantra of less taxes and more spending. Hey I got a great Idea. Let's start two wars and not pay for them. Let's be the first President to not raise taxes during wartime to pay for said wars. What a great idea. Let's have a GOP VP that tells us Americans that "deficits don't matter". Then a few years later, the GOP comes out and scream, "golly gee, deficits do matter". Well? Which is it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CBO_Revenues_Outlays_Percentage_GDP.svg

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Troutguy 4 years, 4 months ago

And until Rep Ryan includes military spending cuts in his budget proposal, it is a joke. And cutting Medicare payments does nothing to reign in health care cost increases, which is the main problem with our health care system today. Until any of our elected leaders can acknowledge we need to pare down our military spending that keeps our vast American empire rolling along, we are never going to curtail our spending. Much easier to make cuts to programs that hurt the most vulnerable, but cut our military spending? Never!

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

Maybe we could all go to the Doak today or another nursing home and call them all parasites. Afterall, nursing home care makes up a majority of all Medicaid expenditures in the US. Then we could swing by Horizons. Disability care is the next largest driver of Medicaid cost.

I have asked this question of several individuals who identify themselves with the tea party and have received no reply. Why is it ok for the government to force you and your employer to pay into FICA and then force you to pick which private corporation you must give your money too? Isn't that what Rep. Ryan's plan does? By the way, the company will get to make a profit off of the money you were forced to pay the government.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

So Scott, you are completing your left wing talking points by using the rhetoric from the Soros sites, saw it there for myself. The GOP wants to kill granny and throw the disabled out on the streets? What a lowlife tactic!!! Scott, you may get answers to your questions if they are logical. I am sure you have an answer to the questions: Why do lefties think that healhcare is a civil right? Why can't lefties list out what cuts in addition to the military, which they hate, they would make to reduce the deficit? Why do lefties think that they have the Constitutional right to make Americans purchase something? Why do lefties ignore Obama's pledge that "I will cut the deficit in half midway through my 1st term as POTUS" and cover for his lie? Why do lefties ignore the fact that Obama promised to end the wars and not only has he continued on but he has started the Libyan war? Why do lefties not see that fact that the Government took GM from the Bondholders and gave it to the Union through a forced bankruptcy that he claimed we couldn't allow to happen?

Yea, questions from the Tea Party to you Scott.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See----you are avoiding my question. I will gladly answer your list, as soon as you provide an answer to my one simple question. I have no idea what Soros sites you are talking about. Your willingness to paint with a negative broad stroke anyone who has a legitimate question only serves to weaken the debate. Do you have an answer to my question or not? Stating factually what the Ryan plan would mean is not a lowlife tactic. I stated quite factually where the primary source of Medicaid funds are spent. I am awaiting your answer.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

And to my hope and dreams pal, Troutguy, here is some reality from history as to why raising the taxes is a scam and has never worked and can't now. So not only will the three big entitlements be effected, they will cease to exist, we will be bankrupt, get it through the scull.

"The individual income tax brought in 7.8% of GDP from 1952 to 1979 when the top tax rate ranged from 70% to 92%, 8% of GDP from 1993 to 1996 when the top tax rate was 39.6%, and 8.1% from 1988 to 1990 when the highest individual income tax rate was 28%. Mr. Obama's hope that raising only the highest tax rates could keep individual tax receipts well above 9% of GDP has been repeatedly tested for more than six decades. It has always failed. Federal revenue from the individual income tax exceeded 9% of GDP only eight times in U.S. history — during World War II (9.4% in 1944), the recessions of 1969-70, 1981-82 and 1991-92, and the tech-stock boom-bust of 1998-2001. Revenues were a high share of GDP during the three recessions because GDP fell." "Among the top 400 taxpayers (rarely the same people from one year to the next), the average tax rate fell to 22.3% in 2000, when the capital gains tax was 20%, from 29.9% in 1995 when the capital gains tax was 28%. But that same IRS report also shows that real tax revenues from the top 400 more than doubled after the capital gains tax fell, rising to $11.8 billion in 2000 from $5.2 billion in 1995, measured in 1990 dollars.

The same thing happened after 2003, when the capital gains tax was further reduced to 15%. The average tax rate of the top 400 fell to 16.6% in 2007 from 22.9% in 2002. Even though there was no stock market boom as in 1997-2000, real revenues of the top 400 nevertheless doubled again — to $14.5 billion in 2007 from $6.9 billion in 2002. Instead of paying less when the capital gains tax rate went down in 1997 and 2003, the top 400 instead paid much, much more." http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13016

Truth and facts without the lefty spin and lies.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Please form a question that can be answered. And please, any answers to my questions?

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See----here goes try to keep up.....under Mr. Ryan's plan.....the government will force every working individual to pay into Medicare.....there employer will be mandated to pay also.....upon reaching the disignated age to become eligible for Medicare the individual will be forced to select from a government approved list of for-profit corporations to provide their health insurance coverage. The government will then send the individuals (and employers) forcibly collected money to the pre-selected for-profit company. This is an accurate description of what will happen. I have read the budget document and did not see a provision to opt out. Is this something you support? Isn't this an individual mandate? It is accomplished through taxation, but isn't it the same thing?

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Can you please provide the document you are claiming this about, or do you expect me to take you on your word? I have read different explanations that he wants there to be state bloc grants and that the states will allocate those funds to the needy. That sounds better to me than the Obama (death) panels that Obamacare has as a mandate, doesn't it? And ooh, another who hates private owned publicly held Corporations that make a net profit of around 2.2%, far better than the $60billion a year that is Medicare fraud, ya think? Government waste and wealth redistribution would also never cause costs to go up either,heh?

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See----I was referring to Medicare, not Medicaid. I would be happy to discuss Medicaid with you after you answer my question. Using terms like death panels does nothing to further the debate. If you want to talk about fraud and waste I would be happy to do so. Just a pop-quiz. Who was the CEO of the corporation who paid the largest Medicare settlement for fraud in history? Answer: the tea party endorsed Gov Rick Scott of Florida. I know that is beside the point, but just thought I would let you know. The budget document can be found at http://paulryan.house.gov/ I will be awaiting your answer.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Paul Ryans Medicare fix:

"Starting in 2022, new Medicare beneficiaries will be enrolled in the same kind of health care program that members of Congress enjoy. Future Medicare recipients will be able to choose from a list of guaranteed coverage options, and they will be given the ability to choose a plan that works best for them. This is not a voucher program, but rather a premium-support model. A Medicare premium-support payment would be paid, by Medicare, to the plan chosen by the beneficiary, subsidizing its cost. The premium-support model would operate similar to the way the Medicare prescription-drug benefit program works today. The Medicare premium-support payment would be adjusted so that wealthier beneficiaries would receive a lower subsidy, the sick would receive a higher payment if their conditions worsened, and lower-income seniors would receive additional assistance to cover out-of-pocket costs. This approach to strengthen the Medicare program ensures security and affordability for seniors now and into the future. First, it ensures security by setting up a tightly regulated exchange for Medicare plans. Health plans that choose to participate in the Medicare exchange must agree to offer insurance to all Medicare beneficiaries, to avoid cherry-picking and ensure that Medicare’s sickest and highest-cost beneficiaries receive coverage. This reform builds upon the bipartisan Rivlin-Ryan Medicare reform plan advanced in the President’s Fiscal Commission in 2010.28 While there would be no disruptions in the current Medicare fee-for-service program for those currently enrolled or becoming eligible in the next ten years, all seniors would have the choice to opt into the new Medicare program once it begins in 2022. No senior would be forced to stay in the old program. This budget gives seniors the freedom to choose a plan that works best for them and guarantees health security throughout their retirement years.These reforms also ensure affordability by fixing the currently broken subsidy system and letting market competition work as a real check on widespread waste and skyrocketing health-care costs. Putting patients in charge of how their health care dollars are spent will force providers to compete against each other on price and quality. That’s how markets work: The customer is the ultimate guarantor of value.

My answer to you Scott, is that this would give the power to the people and I like it. We are already paying for Medicare and are at the mercy of the FED to continue the promise and except for people like you, everyone else knows that Medicare will be broke in less than 10 years. I like the private sector, that happens to be where my current Doctors and healthcare come from now, and have all of my life.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

And here is your answer to the Rick Scott situation: I spent much time debunking the Rick Scott issue before the elections, I won't be interested in that now as he won election after the left tried that card and the truth exonerated Rick Scott and the people saw through the crap and voted him in. I know because I have family in Florida and we investigated the issue as a team in order to make sure that they were voting appropriately.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

And if one hasn't had enough of this Administrations policies we have this from CBS, I tip my hat that they are starting to report some things damaging to Obama.

Tax dollars well spent? NOT!!! Gun shop owner expressed concerns early on in "gunwalker" scandal http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20053961-10391695.html http://djdkt88.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/obama-administration-under-mounting-pressure-for-botched-gun-trafficking-investigation/

The crickets will be chirping as Obama and Holder claim they know nothing about this scandal.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See- You are supporting the government taking your money by force and telling you that you must give it to a for-profit corporation. Isn't that the same thing as corporate welfare you decry? You have no philosophical basis for agreeing with Rep. Ryan's plan. The government is still forcibly taking your money, right? So, that is ok with you if you can then select from their pre-approved list of plans? You understand that their is no current cost estimate for what a plan will cost that will provide the same level of coverage? It is amazing the Rep. Ryan touts the success of Medicare Part D which was the largest unfunded entitlement ever enacted in the US. He voted for it. You seem to have no foundation or cohesive thought process for anything you endorse. Corporate welfare is bad....well except in this case.....high corporate taxes are bad......well except in that case.

I am done engaging you in any type of debate. It it impossible when apparently your opinion is only talking points without any coherent philosophical stance.

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housepoor 4 years, 4 months ago

We need to modify the EXISTING entitlements of medicare and medicaid not pass the pain to your children and grandchildren!!!!

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/04/15/paul-ryan-medicare-reform-hocus-pocus/

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

But Scott you didn't answer my questions, oh well, I guess I'll have to wait for the next happy challenger. Yes, I am anti Socialist.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

And housepoor, that is what the Ryan plan does and the opposite of what Obama is failing to do. Costs will go down when the private sector has the ability to compete, costs go up when our porky Government gets into it. Just look how good the USPS, Fannie/Freddie, GM, current Medicare etc, is going. Lets see, several Chevy owners have had their steering wheels fall off while on the highway, that is Government engineering for ya.

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housepoor 4 years, 4 months ago

Ryan stressed that the changes would not affect those 55 and older thus passing the pain on to future generations as to not piss off the boomers.

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NamVet 4 years, 4 months ago

The Ryan plan does nothing to Defense Spending which is 20% of the budget. Nothing about taxpayer handouts to the oil and farm industry(so much for the free market), nothing about taxpayer money going to corrupt foreign regimes like Iraq, Egypt, Israel and Afghanistan. Nothing about 2 unpaid for wars started by Bush and his Conservative Congress. Nothing about bringing all our troops home. Nothing about about repaying the Social Security Trust Fund that has been squandered over the last decade.
How about Ryan including Congress in his voucher plan. Terminate Congressional Heath Care and replace it with a voucher program. Terminate Congressional pensions and replace it with a 401. Congress pays into Social Security. Establish a 12 year term limit for all Congress and Senate members so they won't sell their souls each election cycle for campaign contributions from Corporations, Donald Trump, Soros or the Koch brothers.. Ryan needs to start with Congress which can be his test market. Lets see how well it works for them before he makes us do it. Isn't it about time Congress has to abide by laws that we have to. They have the strongest Union in the world. Lets bust that Union first.

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pitpoodle 4 years, 4 months ago

The Ryan plan vs the Obama plan? I'll take Ryan.

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NamVet 4 years, 4 months ago

You forgot Ryan who now is anti-deficit voted for 2 wars, the Bush tax cuts. Medicare part D, subsidies for the oil and gas industries and farm industries which were all unfunded to the tune of $6 Trillion dollars in borrowed money. Now he wants to cut $6 Trillion over 10 years just from Medicare and Medicaid. Where was his fiscal responsibility when he and his party was in charge. Nowhere to be found to put it mildly. I'm all for fiscal responsibility but it MUST be shared by everyone including Defense, SS, Medicare etc.

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Kevin Nerney 4 years, 4 months ago

See--- why does everything have to be implemented TEN years from now? How much interest will accrue by then? (Starting in 2022, new Medicare beneficiaries......) Today with the click of a mouse computers can do anything. In ten years time things can be vetoed, members of Congress get voted out or die, who knows what the economy will be doing by then, why not just fix things now. When I need tires on my car I don't say I'll get new ones in another 10,000 miles. Even Obama's health care bill isn't fully implemented until 2012 (after he gets re-elected he's hoping). Stop with the delays and start getting things done!!

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

While seeing the story of Baby Joseph from Canada coming to the USA for life saving treatment that the Government run system denied him, his parents had to go to court to be allowed to take their son out of the hospital where he was dying, I have just watched a video of an absolutely amazing medical feat from UCLA. This would never happen under a Government run Obamacare system. Truly sad to think we are going to be just like Canada, at the mercy of Bureaucrats(death panels) for our treatmants. A must see inspirational story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgaMZT...

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Kevin, why don't you call your Senator and tell him, not me. We only have days left under the current debt ceiling. In order to continue to fund the utopia of the Liberals the ceiling will have to be raised, the FED will do some more quantitative easing(money printing), the price of what we need to live will continue to rise(inflation) and our foreign creditors like China will call us on our debt because our credit rating will be dropped from it's AAA status. Currently we borrow 42% of every dollar we spend, that will rise when the interest rates on our national debt goes up. Once Obamacare is fully implemented in 2014, after the 2012 elections which is curious, the true cost which has been covered up by the lying POTUS will finish the job of bringing down the much hated by the left Capitalist system we once enjoyed. The spinning of truth by activists like NamVet illuminates clearly where the line in the sand is, and it is between those Americans who love our Constitutional Republic and the Capitalist system that fueled our greatness and freedoms and those people who despise that and believe in a monarchical type of Socialism where all are given what they need as decided by the super Elite. Taking from the so called rich and giving to the poor or mostly lazy is a recipe that never works. Why is it that the Elitist pals of Obama are given a free pass? GE(Imelt the CEO in Obamas Cabinet and they use Taxpayer loans throughEx-Im Bank)http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2014684454_edit05taxes.html

So why do the left want to increase taxes on individuals earning 250K+ a year but they make no bones about the big fatcats that are closely connected to their savior, Obama? Apple Corp has Al Gore on the Board of Directors, there are the connections with Goldman Sachs, they are benefiting from their relationships with this Administration and at the expense of us, the Taxpayers. Go ahead, raise our taxes, we are already paying more for our consumption through inflation and higher COGS(cost of goods sold) anyway as that was the plan all along.
And NamVet, you forgot Libya and the rest of the fire going on in the Middle East that Obama spurred on, you Israel hater. Obama tripled the troop strength in Afghanistan, you forgot that. Obama has had the reigns for more than 2 years and the Dems ruled the House and Senate since 2006, the national debt went up 6 $trillion$ under Liberal control, and yea, Bush went along with the Ted Kennedy co-sponsored social programs. Things are different now though, no more.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Seeuski,

And something else.......Obama's coming to take your guns away......and the sky is falling.

These "Death Panels" you refer to already exist...in the form of greedy insurance companies. But it has been a while since you've thrown that out for our reading pleasure, so thanks for the laugh.

Get too much Sean Hannity this week?

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

@jimmmmmmmmmmmbo... I have had heart surgery, major shoulder surgery and other lesser treatments throughout my life and I have been covered by health insurance, never have I been denied treatment or coverage, but why do so many foreigners who live under Government run Socialist health systems run to the USA to get life saving treatments? Baby Joseph? Socialists definition of greed = Capitalism. Conservatives definition of Socialism = EVIL!

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Maybe greedy is a bad word choice-I'll agree with you there. Definately within their rights raising my premiums roughly 20% a year, for the last however many years it's been, and I haven't had a single claim? Fine capitalists they are. Patriots. Real Americans. Love em.

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pitpoodle 4 years, 4 months ago

And you ain't seen nothin yet. Jim you can expect your premium to rise even more because us healthy people will be billed for everyone else who will get free coverage, and for big businesses and unions who will be exempt from the rules. How will that work out for you? You just keep blaming insurance companies, if that makes you feel better. Wake up kid.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

How much is more pitpoodle, and should I be surprised? 20% every year for as long as I can remember-well before Obamacare, is what has happened. I think you need to wake up-cause that's not sustainable pitpoodle, no matter how you crunch your numbers.

Single payer is the only way.

Hope that makes you feel better.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

At 20% a year jimmmmmmmmmm you must be paying something like $3,000 a month, what about it? And what are the factors that have caused the rates to go up, more like 7% a year?

Illegal immigrants getting free services, which the left fights for. Medicare fraud and Government payment deficiencies which the left fights for. Lawyers unions and their "greedy" desire to chase ambulances and fight tort reform, -which the left fights for. Government restrictions on insurance companies competing across state lines, which -the left fights for.

Crunching numbers that makes sense, that's what I'm talkin bout.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Holy cow Seeuski your on a role. So let me get this straight-the left is responsible for all that's bad? What about 2000-2006, under Republican House & Senate. Seems to me that 6 years of control should've produced some results! You have many wonderful ideas-seems to me your party missed out on a great opportunity to fix some major problems. But hey, you did get those tax cuts for the wealthy. Twice.

When do I get my tax cut?

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Holy cow Seeuski your on a role. So let me get this straight-the left is responsible for all that's bad? What about 2000-2006, under Republican House & Senate. Seems to me that 6 years of control should've produced some results! You have many wonderful ideas-seems to me your party missed out on a great opportunity to fix some major problems. But hey, you did get those tax cuts for the wealthy. Twice.

When do I get my tax cut?

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Do you pay federal taxes? If you do then you are an upper level income earner. By the looks of things while doing my taxes this year there is a redistributive component to the system, but keep trying to take your neighbors hard earned money, that is the Socialist way. And your double clicking only proves it twice as much. Ha. I would take the 2000-2006 period over the nightmare we have now, all day long. 4.5% unemployment, $2 a gallon gas, please don't tease me like that.

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pitpoodle 4 years, 4 months ago

Jim, if you pay taxes you did get a tax cut (miss named really) as you didn't get a big tax increase.

2000-2006 has nothing to do with this. Sorry you can't blame Bush or Repub for this president's bad judgment. A single payer system, with no competition what so ever and the government in charge? You have got to be kidding. Apparently, you just don't understand how the economy works - wait till you get the bill, my crazy friend.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Sorry, I just can't jump on your conservative band wagon guys-cut all things in the name of fiscal responsibility, and then cut taxes for the wealthy. Great plan-seems like common sense. Is that how we'll get the economy moving again? Is that how the economy works Pittpoodle? Where's the jobs plan from the House? Oh yeah, the tax cuts are the jobs plan. And that worked so well with the last 2 tax cuts for the wealthy. I'm just looking at the numbers guys, that's all. Maybe we should do away with public education, maybe we shouldn't fix our roads and bridges, maybe we should just hope we can get to a hospital on our own when there's an accident. We don't need these Socialistic programs! Lets just cut taxes for the top 2%, it'll all get better!

Pitpoodle-why is it when anyone brings up past Republican control, and the downfall of our economy, you get all squirmy, and think we're blaming Bush? Take a little responsibility for a change-look at what happended. Not everything has to be Republican vs. Dem. Hey, you guys already blame Obama for everything, even though we're better off than when he took office. Seeuski, only a true politician would want to relive bad policy, in the name of freedom. We already tried cutting taxes, while fighting two wars, in the name of job creation! What happended to the jobs? Did I miss something? I'll bet there are many Chinese workers who were happy about all the new jobs our tax cuts created.

How about this-rather than just cutting taxes for the wealthy in the name of job creation-why not a merit based system. You prove your hiring in the U.S., you get a tax cut. Corporations-tax cuts if you prove you moved some jobs back home. Just seems to me that giving tax cuts that have proven not to create many jobs at home anymore, is not responsible policy.

Time for new ideas-not the old untrue talking points. I don't care which side of the aisle they come from.

And Seeuski-thanks, I didn't realize I'm an upper level income earner. Wow. Life is good.

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pitpoodle 4 years, 4 months ago

Wow, you really do not understand how the economy works. No amount of explaining will help you. Oh, and we are definitely not better off with Obama as pres. Wow.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Good debate Pitpoodle. Besides the debt/deficit, how are we worse off?

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Please jimmmmmmm explain how we are better off under this Marxist POTUS. Here is a headline from today's Washington Post which shows just how corrupt the left wing media is in it's brainwashing of people like you to believe that things being done to us by the Global Elitists is for our own good. By the time you realize that we are all being played we will be standing together in the free cheese lines.

"The dollar, less almighty: Big investors see possible long-term currency weakness"

After reading this story if you want to argue that devaluing our dollar(depletion of the value of our savings,401k,etc.)and purposely causing inflation (silent tax increases on all of us) is as Soros says in the article, good, then I rest my case. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/the-dollar-less-almighty-big-investors-see-possible-long-term-currency-weakness/2011/04/19/AFxVaKLE_story.html?hpid=z1

And Glenn Beck has been pilloried in the left wing media over the last 5 years for warning these days were coming and now the Liberal media is putting their twist on it. Rep. Wiener claimed Gold was a bad investment, why? If we were to solidify our savings by buying Gold and divesting of Dollars, what would that do to the power of the FED to manipulate our lives? Think about it.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Your right, shedding 1/2 million jobs a month was way better than actually adding jobs to the economy. Yeah, the DOW at 6000 is way better than 12,000. GM still providing thousands of jobs, that is worse than just letting it collapse. Obamacare in my opinion, is a good effort at changing the health care debacle in America-I agree its not pefect, but I'm in favor of single payer.

I also like the changes made with regards to Veterans affairs.

One question, was the dollar real strong under the previous Administration?

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trump_suit 4 years, 4 months ago

Tennis ball meet Brick Wall.

When you make up all of your own facts to fit your world view, it makes a person difficult to debate with. They just make stuff up as they go along to prove whatever their point of the day is.

Ignoring the revenue and employment numbers after the last several tax code changes/revisions/cuts makes it much easier to defend tax cuts as the "be all end all" approach to the economy and jobs. When you factor in the real economic indicators and the overall picture of revenue vs. debt you find a much different story than our Tea Party friends would have us believe.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

I did read an artical recently, and I wish I could remember where I read it, but an economist was pointing out that if all things remained the same, and if revenue streams were similar to 1996, the deficit disappears. I realize this was during the tech bubble, but it just lends more fuel to the argument that we have a revenue problem, not a spending problem.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

I once read an article too but I can't remember where, if I remember correctly it said that we are all going to disappear under the weight of all the Socialist programs that are strangling the US economy. I am sure it was probably hundreds of articles. If all things remain the same we will float to the euphoric Atlantis that you hoped and dreamed for in your candidate for change. What a bunch of hot air. Just like all the jobs that your POTUS created or saved, LMAO!

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

I'm not sure you read that Seeuski, but I'm pretty sure Glenn Beck tells you that everyday, probably twice.

Enjoy your day you crusty old conservative! Enjoyed this back and forth, but I'm out for the weekend. Hopefully the sky won't fall this weekend, and I can point you in the right direction come Monday.

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the_Lizard 4 years, 4 months ago

Trumpsuit has told us several times and in several different ways that tax increases on the wealthy is what causes booms and then cites the 90's under Clinton as proof. "Ignoring the revenue and employment numbers after the last several tax code changes/revisions/cuts makes it much easier to defend tax cuts as the "be all end all" approach to the economy and jobs."

I would like to know how he/she has determined that it was Clinton's tax increases of 1993 that improved the economy. Could it have been other factors that created the boom and it was despite the tax increases instead of because of the increases that the 1990's roared along.

Could it have been the cuts in capital gains, raising the estate tax exemptions, improvement of IRA's all part of a defict-reduction and tax relief bill a Republican congress passed? Did you know that after the 1997 tax cuts the economy grew at a 4,2% rate whereas prior to1997 and after the 1993 tax hikes it was growing at a 3.2% rate. ( better then under the Obama to be sure, but not any where near as robust)

Plus there was that whole the era of big government is over thingy that Clinton proudly pushed. Federal spending only grew 9% under him and a Republican led congress.

One more point. Did you know that more tax revenues were collected in 1997 than ANY other year in our nation's history and between 2004-2007 tax revenue increased at a record level.

Jimmmmmmmm, I'm with pitpoodle on your comments..... wow just wow.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

I find the fact that the EPA has just shut down oil drilling in Alaska in the very places that my opponent, Scott Selby, said the oil companies would have to go to drill for new oil because of Sarah Palins tax structure which he claims is causing our rising fuel prices shows who has this POTUS figured out and stands with the facts and the truth. Obama is blaming speculators and he is going to employ the DOJ and a new commission to investigate any illegal activity. Mr. Obama it is your FED policy of Quantitative Easing that is devaluing the US dollar which is what the price of a barrel of oil is tied to that is purposely being used to push fuel prices higher, you liar. http://juneauempire.com/stories/010511/sta_765565354.shtml

I'll even use one of George Soros' sites as evidence. http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/11/b258795.html And this was from 2004. As the dollar plunges the price of gas will continue to rise, because the Aaaraabs(OPEC) only except US dollars for their oil.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See---- Do you have some type of traumatic brain injury? I know the Shell story just ran on Fox news today, so you just became aware of it, however, if you look at the link you posted (to hide the fact you just saw it on Fox today) from the Juneau Empire, you will see that it was dated January 2011. I never disputed that offshore drilling was not an issue in Alaska. There are concerns by both environmentalist, as well as, the native villages in Alaska. You can continue to defend the outrageous tax structure imposed by Ms. Palin all you want. You can pretend to understand concepts, such as, quantitative easing. You can make false claims about what I said. To be clear, what I said was the oil companies want to drill offshore to escape the unreasonable tax burden imposed by the state. That is the drilling that was blocked by the EPA. It is much more dangerous. The area is very remote and spill clean-up/mitigation technology has advanced very little since the Deepwater Horizon incident. I also never claimed any connection between US oil production and gas prices. The two are not related. You are aware of how world commodity markets function I assume.

So, there are two forces at work the EPA regulations and Sarah Palin's onerous tax structure. The tax structure is causing a decrease in oil company investment on the North Slope (which is Land they already have permission to drill on). That is all pretty straight forward. Also, if speculators have no causal effect on oil prices, how do you explain the 3% drop in oil prices after Golman Sach's announcement last week?

Again.... you are not my opponent. You are simply misinformed on the issues and appear to choose to believe only what you are spoon-fed by right-wing media outlets. You do nothing but post the Beck inspired talking point of the day. Calling the President of the United States a liar makes you look like a complete and total moron. Do not address me again in this forum until you have formed a reasonable thought of your own. I would wager I will have a long wait for that to occur.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Not long at all kiddo. The fact that you are now resorting to name calling just shows that your ideological arguments and attacks against Sarah Palin in your parroting of the left wing talking points you are so idiotically using is failing in persuading the voters. I purposely showed the George Soros funded graph from 2004 of the relationship of oil and dollar so that you are put in your proper place, the trash heap.There was no so called Palin Tax back then and we still had rising oil prices with the falling dollar. The FED under Obama IS purposely diminishing the dollar as a part of their plan to dissolve the wealth and power of the USA. Your theater here is just a diversionary tactic and it is so obvious. And I will address you as I see fit if you continue to make such boneheaded arguments that have no place in reality. The only reason you and your cohorts at other online locations are peddling this garbage is because you know that if Palin decides to run for POTUS she will win over the Marxist we currently have. And I feel very comfortable labeling your savior a liar because after nearly 3 years of his jaw moving we have his own words to prove my point. Whether it be about tax hikes or cuts or the promise of cutting the deficit in his first 2 years or the lie about abortions not funded in the Obamacare laws and on and on. Or the lies about the GM takeover being to save a company too big to fail. Joke, he gave it to the Unions and stole it from the Bondholders. Is it not a lie for Obama to cut off US oil production in the Gulf out of his phony concern for ecology but then help finance foreign Countries with the US Taxpayer money to drill in even deeper waters in our Gulf? That is a philosophy of giving back to Latin America what he sees as the past theft by the US of their resources, that has been a modern Marxist theory for years. Those of us who understand this Administration have been prepared for these agendas and saw them coming before Nov 2008, we just have to be vigilant in order to end them in 2012 whether it be Palin or some other real American candidate. Now finish your latte.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Why would the Obama media ignore this story? FOX is the only real MSM these days. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/25/energy-america-oil-drilling-denial/

http://americaswatchtower.com/2011/04/25/epa-bans-shell-oil-from-drilling-offshore-in-alaska/

Funny how only FOX News is the only MSM source covering this major story, I wonder why. Could it be that all of the media is purposely trying to protect Obama? Yes!

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See- Do not address me again. You do not live in a world of facts. Your radical right-wing agenda is out of touch. I presented you with nothing but facts about specific issues. You could not refute those facts, because well.....they were facts.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Tell it to the wall Scott, facts, Parnell/Palin no controversy there. Governor Sean Parnell: "Let Alaska help put America back to work" http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/02/governor-sean-parnell-let-alaska-help-put-america-back-to-work.html

And if you don't like me responding in kind then shut down your replies man, that simple pal.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

And my radical right wing agenda includes keeping America great and free and a Capitalist driven Republic, not a "fundamentally changed" Marxist state run by globalists who steal our money, like George Soros.

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NamVet 4 years, 4 months ago

You can't believe anything on FOX because it is nothing but the propaganda arm of the Republican Party. The same goes for MSNBC which is the same but for the Democratic Party Just go to FactCheck.org if you want to find out what is true or not. A perfect example is this Birther garbage. If you want to go to the office of Vital Statistics in Honolulu as I have and you can see for yourself Obama birth information. FactCheck will also verify it. What Trump is trying to do is to play to extremists and idiots of our country who will believe anything because they are angry at who is living in the WHITE House. He also doesn't want you to know about his many bankruptcies and divorces. Trump loves only one person and that is Donald Trump. He may be rich but he can thank his Father for most of that. If the Republicans don't nominate someone that has the guts and intelligence to tackle our Nations problems and get off the BS and social agenda they will assure Obama 4 more years.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Didn't Hannity just do a special on left wing media bias? Hilarious! I didn't see it b/c he makes me want to break things.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

factcheck? are you serious? It is a part of the George Soros web he has woven to control what people believe. Look, I don't give poop about this birther thing so much right now, although I do believe there is a reason Obama has spent millions to keep his long form BC and all his records hidden. What is it jimmmmmmm? And everyone who has been alive for more than a couple of decades knows all about Trumps shady life and he ain't my 1st choice but no matter who is on the other side of the ballot from the nightmare we have now will get my vote. FOX news pisses people on the left off because they actually report NEWS. Like the fact that 35,000 people have been murdered along the Mexican border over the last 4 years. And that our ATF recently had southern Gun Dealers sell weapons to illegals under the guise that they are tracking the guns and they didn't and those guns are being used in many of the killings including the recent ambush of two of our border agents killing one. Or that a new passport application has just been authored by this Administration that is absolutely crazy in the questions they require. You tell me what the heck this is about. http://papersplease.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ds5513-proposed.pdf I can go on here for an hour but I must move along.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Oops, should have directed the question of what Obuma is hiding to NamVet

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

No problem Seeuski, but I'll play some more.

You're really annoying me with your "spent millions to hide his long form BC". That's the biggest crock! You gotta quit going there-that was some right wing report that quoted the legal fees Obama has incurred since the election. But no one knows what the legal fees are for, that's not disclosed; some right wing hack promoted it to add to the birther conspiracy, and you bought it!

McCain has spent nearly as much since the election too. Maybe he's hiding his long form as well???? Well what is it Seeuski? Did you say you voted for Clinton twice? Ha! I'm calling bs on that.

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NamVet 4 years, 4 months ago

Soros has nothing to do with FactCheck. If you are interested in influence look at the Koch Brothers who fund numerous Republicans. FOX is not News it is opinion. It was created by Rupert Murdock a non-American for people who have to be told how to think like Seeuski. He personally hires all on air people and they must pass his anti-liberal bios test before they get the job. Look at the list of people who work there Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly, Palin, Rove, Huckabee etc. How could you call any of these "Fair and Balanced".It is a joke. Their goal is to switch the blame to Obama from your idol Bush. Look where this country was a short 10 years ago. We had a balanced budget, no wars then came W who trashed the Clinton/Gingrich Balanced Budget Act and went on a spending spree we still can't recover from. Yes Obama has not turned things around like we all would like but it was W that got us in this mess. Republicans only are against deficits when there is a Democrat in the White House. As Cheney said deficits don't matter. He also said the Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the war. I did not vote for Clinton as you did but I wish I had. At least he knew how to add and subtract and he did not kill and disable thousands of brave Americans who wear the uniform of our country.

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pitpoodle 4 years, 4 months ago

NamVet, your comments are plain unbelievable. I can't believe you are still trying to blame Bush. Obama is the pres. His mistakes, inexperience and bad judgment are to blame for the problems of the past couple of years. I am amazed that you are still trying to defend him. Maybe Clinton could add and subtract but I do not think Obama has mastered it.

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NamVet 4 years, 4 months ago

Pit if you want to totally forget the Bush years that is fine with me. I think all of us would love to especially the thousands of men and women in uniform who lost heir lives or were totally disabled. . How can you tell me that what Bush inherited on day one was the same as what Obama inherited on his first day. Your about $6 Trillion off in deficit spending, 2 unfunded grossly mismanaged wars, unfunded Medicare Part D, tax cuts paid for with borrowed money.In your opinion this is all Obama's fault. That is unbelievable. What everyone is mad about is that Obama has not been able to turn everything around immediately. I totally disagree with some of what he has done but he did not cause the mess. John McCain would have had the same problem. The bottom line is this country may never recover form the 8 years of Bush no matter who is President..

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Good stuff Pitpoodle...that would be, as "the lizard" would say, a "wow just wow". I'd say Nam summed it up pretty well, and it's the reality of the situation we're in right now. But I'm thinking you don't pay attention to reality. You're sold on what Fixed News tells you everyday. "Obama did it!". Sorry, but Nam is right, we're gonna be digging out of this mess for a long time.

How does an ethical guy like Shep Smith get to keep his job at Fox?

who needs a laugh...

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/382615/april-25-2011/obama-s-tax-return---road-to-the-trump-house

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the_Lizard 4 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for using my rather eloquent words which I had used to analyze your comments, sweet of you! Here is the good laugh, sad delusional liberals that think all this is Bush's fault even though Obama has doubled down on some of the left's most hated policies; Gitmo, the wars, adding one of his own, The Patriot Act, tax cuts"for the rich", and ohhh the spending.. Yet, you still blame Bush. (snicker) Yup,with Obama it's just work work work (golf Oprah,campaigning,vacationing...)and look what we have to show for it. Well look at it! I'm telling you give me ANY of the Bush years over the weird strange presidency we are experincing now. One of my biggest pet peaves is the liberal mantra, government paying for tax cuts. Money belongs to people as do their busnesses, their homes, their land. The government taxes and takes money, they don't allow us to keep money. Well, unless you are a Marxist and believe everything belongs to the state. Certainly you don't believe that, do you? Fact, the tax rate has been at extremely different rates through the years. Righ?. Through all the wild swings the tax revenue as a percentage of GDP has been around 16.9% + or minus a couple percentage points since 1950.. According to you and namvet tax hikes would increase revenue exponentially. Not necessarily true. http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2008/pdf/hist.pdf

If you could overlay the varying economy through those years I think you would find that lower tax revenue corresponds more with the state of the economy rather than the rate of taxation. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/01/~/media/Images/Reports/bg2001/bg2001chart4_lg_1.ashx

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NamVet 4 years, 4 months ago

Liz then why didn't you join up and fight in Iraq or Afghanistan so you could show your loyalty to Bush. It is great to want war when you refuse to pay for it or fight in it. I think they call that a Chicken Hawk. By the way Bush was the most vacationed President in history. He spent 500 days on vacation and 500 days out of the country and still managed to screw everything up. Like I have said before compare what Bush inherited from Clinton and what Obama inherited from Bush. Only FDR inherited a greater mess. That is fact not FOX spin. This country will NEVER recover from the 8 years of Bush no matter who sits in the White House.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Good post Lizard but you are arguing with idiots here. You know it when they revert to the Soros media talking points and their Bush, Bush, Bush chants. What they fail to do is admit that they are excited about this purposeful destruction of Capitalism and the much planned for "fundamental change" to Socialism which Obama, under the direction of the Apollo/Tides foundation, has embarked upon. Facts don't matter to these bloggers especially facts like under the Democrat Pelosi run House and the Reid run Senate over the last 5 years our deficit was more than tripled. Obama has ignited wars throughout the Middle East and we have boots on the ground along with indiscriminate drone bombing, the left wing media went nuts over this while Bush did it. Obama is arming the drug Cartels in Mexico while suing our southern border states to keep the border open and the flow of illegals/new voters coming in. Obama since day one used his power to play with his new toys starting with the AF1 flyover of NYC and Ground Zero along with lavish trips for his family and entourage to places like Spain. Bush quit playing golf after 9/11, Obama increased his golf, hoops and Oprah funtime adventures all while Texas is burning and the south is devastated from tornadoes. Could you imagine if Bush had acted this way? Bush caught hell and was described as "Bush hates black people" even though he declared a state of emergency before Katrina hit. Bush was demonized for doing a flyover of the devastation rather than landing and causing a total freeze of recovery activity which would be the case in a Presidential motorcade and Obama flying over NYC terrorizing NYers just for fun and a photo shoot gets no play time or proper condemnation. Hopefully America will fight off this Marxist incursion in 2012 and we will recover under proper Conservative leadership.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Here is a pretty good snapshot of stupidity and the brainwashed sheep who think someone else will pay for their "social programs". There is one f word towards the end so for the faint of heart beware. And now a look at the Liberal bastion breeding zone of U.C. Berkeley. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rDahs...

A must see video showing how much our Students have already been brainwashed by the Progressives and what Obama's Union activists actually intend on achieving. If I owned the Noodles Restaurant that the punk in the video is talking about I would fire him after I kicked his rear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dNIXN...

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pitpoodle 4 years, 4 months ago

Stop making excuses for Obama.
Personally, I would be very happy to go back to the Bush (although not really a fan of Bush) days of 3-4% employment in Routt County, property that had a value, businesses making money and gas prices within reason. Mr. Obama made the decision to stay in Afghanistan and here we are involved with Ghadfi's ouster, we are now in a worse position than ever with national security (even with more invasive homeland security), and more meddling in our lives. Obama's answer: stimulus and more stimulus and to handle social security, he'll cut our annual SS contributions. Brilliant. He'll increase taxes on the so-called rich (potential job creators) so there will be no hope of a strong recovery. Oh yes, increase taxes on oil companies (to pay their fair share) so that incentives for new oil or energy production will be gone. Brilliant.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Americans have no idea of what is really going on with the Marxists who ARE the controllers of Obama and are a part of his Administration, the Socialist Union thugs: Comrades? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT3-bYTO8IQ&NR=1

How can Glenn Beck be responsible for their words? Ask NamVet and jimmmm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ6hsW...

The truth is Constitution loving, free Americans are under assault from the self described Socialist Unions and their supporters in the White House. Every Industry that Unions have taken over has either failed, Auto, USPS,etc. or left our shores for foreign labor,ie. garment, steel etc. Unions/Socialism IS what is and has been destroying our economy over the decades.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

You afterbirthers are unbelievable. First Pittpoodle posts a 360+ page budget from 2008, and Seeuski posts a Glenn Beck video. Perfect. Thanks guys. I'm a believer now. The Bush years were way better. How about this, why don't you both get real for a change.

Tomorrow, Seeuski will be back to the Reverand Wright stuff, as is Hannity. No more birther stuff, lets go back to Rev. Wright.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Can't handle the truth huh jimmmmmmmmm? The birther crap is all you and Obama have as an answer, what a shame.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Don't spin that crap on me Seeuski, you dog. Nice try-I know it hurts that, but you and your hero Orly Taits will figure something out. Freaks.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

What truth are you talking about? The only truth I see is you and pittpoodle went to sleep in late 2007, and woke up when Obama got elected.

As for me, I'm done with this, it's starting to get ugly. Time for several cold beers. Cheers.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

Off- topic slightly but....

North American Rotary Rig Counts The U.S. rotary rig count was up 28 at 1,800 for the week of April 22, 2010. It is 318 rigs (21.5%) higher than last year.

The number of rotary rigs drilling for oil increased 33 to 913. There are 399 more rigs targeting oil than last year. Rigs drilling for oil represent 50.7% percent of all drilling activity. This is the first week since 1995 that the number of rigs targeting oil exceeded 50%.

Rigs directed toward natural gas were down 7 at 878. The number of rigs currently drilling for gas is 78 less than last year's level of 956.

Year-over-year oil exploration in the U.S. is up 77.6 percent. Gas exploration is down 8.2 percent. The weekly average of crude oil spot prices is 32.0 percent higher than last year and natural gas spot prices are 7.0 percent higher.

The count increased by 18 this week. Domestic production may provide employment and tax revenure, but it will not lower gas prices.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

@jimmmmmmmm Don't be so upset that the birther issue is all you had to fall back on and now it is gone. I for one am glad that Trump forced Obama to stop this charade, why the hell did Obama play this 3 year game which started with the Hillary Clinton campaign? Unfortunately for you dog, all we have to discuss now are the issues like the economy and the price of gas rising and Obama's response to that being "buy a new car, stop driving your SUV's". Socialist activism for sure. But as Selby thinks he can persuade the sheep to blame Palin and turn their heads from the truth. NOT!!! Obama won't be able to hide from his record, he is done in 2012, thank goodness but not soon enough.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

Just stating the facts. I know that really is frustrating. There is more oil exploration/production going on in the US today than the day President Obama took office. I know it does not fit the narrative, but it is true. Domestic production, which I support, has no impact on gas prices.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Buzz along Selby, you can't fit that peg in the hole, it didn't fit earlier and it won't fit now. Facts don't matter to you as you are a tool of the left wing talking points. Anyone watching this POTUS and his actions on US energy policy knows that you are pulling the wool. I won't waste anymore time proving you wrong because you ignore truth and bring your own reality/lies. Your postings won't help Obama, your man, get reelected in 2012 but keep your "hope" alive, I'll look for a new and much needed "change". Anyone but BO and a Dem.

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sledneck 4 years, 4 months ago

Scott Selby, Please elaborate about domestic oil production having no impact on gas prices.

I was under the impression that oil is a fungible and therefore any production affects all supply which affects prices worldwide no matter where the fungible is produced or consumed.

If domestic oil production rose by 500 million barrels / day there would be no effect on gas prices??? I find this difficult to understand.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

Sled- Total current world-wide production is around 84 million barrels per day. It is unlikely the US could increase daily production by 500%. You are correct in saying that oil is traded as a commodity on a world-wide basis. As we increase our production, OPEC will respond by decreasing their production. Also, to reach 500 bbl/day we would have to increase our production by about 491 billion barrels a day. That would be extremely difficult, if not impossible. I think the benefit of domestic production is more closely related to job creation and tax revenue, as well as, decreasing.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

(sorry cut off the last sentence) our money going into other country's economies, whether they share our same interests or not.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Ha Seeuski. What's sad is that you have aligned yourself with a woman named Orly Taitz. Enough said.

"Don't be so upset that the birther issue is all you had to fall back on and now it is gone". Coming from a guy who posted nearly everyday about the Pres being from Kenya. Excellent spin my friend.

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sledneck 4 years, 4 months ago

Scott, The expectation of OPEC cutting production is certainly something to consider. It would definitely change the dynamic from a purely "supply/demand" situation to one that had an air of manipulation. I agree that they may very well do so. However, OPEC would not, in my opinion, cut production infinitely. There is a point at which OPEC needs the oil to flow as badly as the rest of the world. Therefore, there is a point at which further production WILL force lower prices; or at least keep prices out of the stratosphere.

(500 million barrels was just an arbitrary number)

Here's the bottom line: We need more energy. We need more refinining capacity. We need more production capacity. We need more distribution capacity. We need to rely less on hostile regions for energy. Wind and solar are not yet viable sources of serious amounts of inexpensive energy. (God willing they may be someday but NOT yet)

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

@jimmmmmmmmmm

Please find one post, let alone one a day, where I said Obama was born in Kenya you.....

It is you and the left wing hatemongers who NEED this issue as a battering ram, and lets not forget it was Hillary Clinton who started with the BC scandal and why was it necessary for Obama to play a 3 year game with it, but too bad for you we have Obama's record as POTUS that will bury him in the 2012 election. I will give him credit for signing off on the operation by our great Military that killed that SOB Bin Laden yesterday. Thanks to George Bush for his work that made this possible all along. Gitmo enhanced interrogations of KSM got us the nickname of Bin Ladens courier which led the CIA to the terrorist and the action that took him out. Great day but the fight ain't over. And back to the BC for jimmmmmmmmmm.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

"although I do believe there is a reason Obama has spent millions to keep his long form BC and all his records hidden."

Seeuski April 26, 2011 at 4:42 p.m.

You've lost all credability with me you Orly Taitz lover.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Why is selby using a story of rigs from April 2010? And where can we see the source for that story as it certainly is not selby making up those numbers? The fact is that it takes years for the permitting process before those rigs are drilling and since Obama took office these numbers have dropped off, hardly any new drilling permits under his Administration unless it's for Brazil or China.

"The number of permits issued, according to an April 18 Reuters story, has declined to almost nothing." "Even federal officials estimated that the deepwater moratorium on drilling cost between 8,000 and 12,000 jobs." Although the deep sea drilling ban was nominally lifted, the administration has created new safety requirements. Industry officials have argued that the vagueness of the new rules has created a de facto moratorium on drilling. Shell Executive Vice President John Hollowell explained: “We could comply with whatever they wanted. We just needed them to say what they wanted.” http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7215-obamas-gulf-drilling-policy-costing-jobs

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

@jimmmmmmmmm you never had any with me and I ask again, please provide a post where I said Obama was born in Kenya, there is a difference with my statement above which was true as Osama Bin Laden is now fish food, or is my credibility too damaged now for that truism? Ha Ha turkey. Now back to the issues at hand while jimmmmmmmm tries to get as much mileage from the BC story, what a tool!!

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Definately no credability. Sorry. Time to move on with your bs. Congrats.

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trump_suit 4 years, 4 months ago

Tennis ball meet Brick wall........ No facts required.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Who's got time for that, besides you Seeuski Taitz. I'm sure anyone who wastes their time reading your posts agrees-you've promoted birtherism more than anyone on this board. Enough said.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Nope. No time for you, or anyone else that lies as much as you.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

You made the claim I said Obama was born in Kenya and you can't provide backup, who is the big fat liar here? You lefty's are losing it!!!

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Semantics, you big joke. Semantics. It's amazing to me that you even fight this.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Try as you will, Obama will not win in 2012 because people like you have only a phony birther issue while we will see his record compared to his promises, he is toast and you know it, that is why you are trying these BC lie tactics jimmmmmbo Alinsky, keep at it though it's a lot of fun and a bit humorous to boot.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Agreed, and lets agree to drop it. But you try your bs with any other crocks that Orly comes up with, and I'll take you on for sure.

I'm starting to like Obama's record, by the way. I think he'll have a pretty good shot come 2012.

Let the screaming begin!

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

OK agreed and likewise, if you pull anymore of your daily kos Alinsky talking points and I will slap you back to reality.

And please do share, what part of his record are you touting here? The "created or saved jobs" or the "I'll cut the deficit in half halfway through my first term" BS?

lol!!! Can't wait for 2012. Just hope we still have something of an economy left and a dollar along with a credit rating.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Who's going to run against him, Mr. Ego, or Mrs. Ego?

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2014910270_apusrigcount.html Sled- Here were the numbers from last week. I would agree with the need for more infrastructure. The thing with oil companies is that they behave like companies. I am not saying that is a bad thing. It is a fact. If you owned a company, you would probably like selling your product at a higher price. Especially if you only had a limited supply of that product. Expecting corporations to make additional investments becaise it would be the right thing to do for the country probably won't happen.

US rig count up by 18, mostly in Oklahoma The number of rigs actively exploring for oil and natural gas in the U.S. increased by 18 this week to 1,818.

The Associated Press HOUSTON — The number of rigs actively exploring for oil and natural gas in the U.S. increased by 18 this week to 1,818.

Houston-based Baker Hughes Inc. reported Friday that 926 rigs were exploring for oil and 882 for gas. Ten were listed as miscellaneous. A year ago, the count was 1,483.

Of the major oil- and gas-producing states, Oklahoma gained nine rigs, Pennsylvania gained five and Texas gained three. North Dakota, West Virginia and Wyoming picked up one apiece.

New Mexico lost one rig while Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado and Louisiana were unchanged.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See--- You did not say Kenya.....but you did say this.

"Where's the birth certificate? That don't sound like an American born POTUS to me. Go Trump!"

April 10, 2011 at 10:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

You are walking a fine line on the "Kenya" thing and you know it.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

Bush: Deficit Spending OK During 'Trifecta' Jun. 7, 2002George W. Bush "I remember -- I remember campaigning in Chicago, and one of the reporters said, would you ever deficit spend? I said only -- only in times of war, in times of economic insecurity as a result of a recession, or in times of national emergency. Never did I dream we'd have a trifecta."

Bush Predicts Largest Debt Reduction Ever Feb. 28, 2001George W. Bush "It [this new approach] will retire nearly $1 trillion in debt over the next four years. This will be the largest debt reduction ever achieved by any nation at any time. It achieves the maximum amount of debt reduction possible without payment of wasteful premiums. It will reduce the indebtedness of the United States, relative to our national income, to the lowest level since early in the 20th Century and to the lowest level of any of the largest industrial economies." more)
Bush's Plan Pays Down Debt? Feb. 27, 2001George W. Bush "Many of you have talked about the need to pay down our national debt. I listened, and I agree. We owe it to our children and grandchildren to act now... My plan pays down an unprecedented amount of our national debt." (more)

We Won't Run a Deficit? Jan. 2, 2001George W. Bush "The tax relief package that I talked about in the campaign, was phased-in based upon projections so that we wouldn't run a deficit."

President Obama's claim was wrong, just as President Bush's was. I think both men were convinced what they were saying was true.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Does a little event known as 9/11 change things after Bush said those things in early 2001? I guess the left wingers will try to run against Bush in 2012, that won't fly this time like it did in 2008.

Again selby, the fine line is why did Obama play with his BC for 3 years after Hillary Clinton's team asked for it? Huh? And I will say to you as I did jimmmmmmmm, I never said I knew where the man was born, but I think it is important for every man/woman running for POTUS to be properly vetted and to NOT withhold important documents like Obama has done and continues to do still. You are good at using time dated statements and twisting other information to create a false sense of reality that suits your political positions. I was a lifelong Dem and voted for Clinton both times, used to argue the "vast right wing conspiracy" crap with people like a fool, and I voted for Al Gore thinking he was who he said he was, a moderate fiscally Conservative candidate, where's the lockbox? But I couldn't tow the line anymore once Hillary started the 9/11 truther crap not long after 9/11, so I freed myself from your type of mentally manipulated type of thinking and felt the weight come off my shoulders. It is great being free to think and see the truth but it is testing arguing with people who have an agenda like yourself and others here. You would probably ignore any facts of how the deficit was ballooned by the Democrat run Congress after 2006, and the statements by Pelosi that "deficits don't matter" after having said she will run a paygo House. When does truth enter this debate? You won't even acknowledge that the FED is causing inflation with it's quantitative easing practices which is causing a rise in prices at the pump and at every cash register, especially the grocers. Our dollar is being destroyed by these practices and we are losing our AAA credit rating, wake up, it won't work this Socialist experiment.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See- Just to be clear what is different today than it was in 2002? We are at war, we have economic uncertainty and we are recovering from one of the most severe tornado outbreaks in recorded history.

Bush: Deficit Spending OK During 'Trifecta' Jun. 7, 2002George W. Bush "I remember -- I remember campaigning in Chicago, and one of the reporters said, would you ever deficit spend? I said only -- only in times of war, in times of economic insecurity as a result of a recession, or in times of national emergency. Never did I dream we'd have a trifecta."

Inflation is a concern. Monetary easing too the extreme will cause potential hyper-inflation. I think you would agree that gasoline prices account for much of the increased costs of other commodities. I would ask you why did gas prices rise to their former record levels in the Fall of 2008. It was not demand. The world was in a recession. Domesti production was increasing. So, what exactly caused it? And why then did the prices decline so quickly after the run-up?

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NamVet 4 years, 4 months ago

While most Republicans were more interested in birth certificates or college transcripts our President was busy taking out Enemy # 1 , Osama Bin Laden. Finally MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Thanks to my former comrades and our Commander and Chief the job is finally done.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Come on Scott, Obama's policy decisions are the reason for his so called trifecta, Katrina came right through the Gulf of Mexico and was one of, if not the most powerful hurricanes that we have ever seen in the Gulf. And as far as 2008, me thinks reasonable people can figure out why some actors manipulated the price of oil just before the elections, funny how they came down after. The price of oil is tied to the value of the US dollar so seeing the 15cent per gal overnight increase at Loaf + Jug was no surprise to me. I new that as soon as they had to refill there holding tanks the price would jump, it will go up again as the next few days go by. OPEC only accepts the US dollar for oil so there you go. Domestic production is declining, and Obama's answer to a gathering of supporters a week ago"get rid of your SUV and buy a new car that gets better mileage", his promise before 08,"under my Administration the price of energy will necessarily skyrocket", his words not mine. We are seeing his agenda play out, I predict that the late summer early fall of 2012 we shall see a significant drop in oil prices and an easing of COGS for most other products, you heard it here first. Voter manipulation, they may even still play the UBL card that NamVet is using here, pretty sad considering any of us could have been one of the innocents killed on 9/11 and may still fall victim to terrorism as we are under heavy threat, so keep up the good work NamVet, real good, I wouldn't use your terminology as we have seen that one blow up before. The war against Islamic Jihad is far from over and you shall see how foolish you sound in the future. But go ahead, dismiss the hard work of our Military and Intel services over the past decade or more for your 15 minutes of left wing glory, what is it you continually say on these blogs,"cut Military spending", how convenient for you to now claim a Military victory. If it weren't for the Republicans we would not have any active Military action against UBL, it was in fact a Congressional battle to keep the actions funded, what a crock of $&!).

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Lookout NamVet, some of your former Comrades are speaking up:

Did Senior Military/Intelligence Officials Overrule President Obama Regarding Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden?

Read more: http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/did-senior-militaryintelligence-officials-overrule-president-obama-regarding-mission-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/#ixzz1LJGFAksF http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/did-senior-militaryintelligence-officials-overrule-president-obama-regarding-mission-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/#ixzz1LItA19Vd

If this is true then this man should be immediately impeached. Nice golf shirt Pres.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

At least find a reputable source Seeuski. Holy crap-here we go again. Seeuski sites a source that has zero journalistic integrity. Zero. I could write an article for NewsFlavor, about Obama being a Kenyen Muslim Fascist Marxist Golfer, and they'd print it.

Good job Seeuski.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See- You are.....how do I say this in terms you will understand?...... A PINHEAD! But you are entertaining.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Don't know if it is true, but there are several sources posting this story. Sorry guys, I know this would be a bomb if it turns out to be true, but it does clear up the all of sudden tough hawk that Obama became 2 nights ago, it didn't fit his image or his style, especially when he quoted the Constitution. Time will tell though.

If I am a pinhead I'll use a term that befits you guys, oveja. Enjoy my oveja friends.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See- You do know the YOU are the only one that takes YOU seriously, right? You are a caricature of the worst elements of the Tea Party.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

Ha! Show your sources.

This should be good.

Your tactics are truly unbelievable, but at least your consistant. Isn't there a Breitbart video you could show us as proof?

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

"If this is true then this man should be immediately impeached. Nice golf shirt Pres."

I take it back. You are indeed a deep-thinker. You realize that IF there were any truth to this that you would be supporting Fascism, right? You have read the Constitution, right? You do understand the concept of civilian control of the military, right? I keep using the word right because I know you like it. I bet you refuse to make left-hand turns in your car because you see it as some form of indoctrination by the foreign-born, Muslim, Socialist, Marxist, Christian-hating, President of the United States. I had to google the sheep reference earlier. I do not speak Spanish. That was actually pretty clever.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

What are we-1 week from full blown birther, to this. Great.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Here is a good example of left wing hypocrisy. Left wingers then and left wingers now while Obama is at the helm, the same unit that just took out UBL was something else to the oveja Democrats while Bush was in office. How telling.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See- Did you actually watch what you just posted? If so, are you telling me that you did not hear the distinct difference in what they are saying? The issue being discussed in the video was an ALLEGATION made that the US military had an "assassination squad" in the US military that reproted directly to the vice-president. It did not include any type of collaboration with the CIA. This allowed it to by-pass congressional oversight. The mission undertaken to kill UBL was commanded by the CIA. There is a legitimate question about "political assassinations". The war on terror has brought us new challenges. We are no longer fighting nation-states but an ideology.

Nice try on the video, but you may actually want to watch what you post before you start drawing false parrallels in your attempt to muddy the waters.

(Please insert some goofy phrase in Spanish here)

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

Oh I watched it but as usual your ideological filter brings the typical response. Was there Congressional oversight in the killing of UBL? Is that your contention here? Did we not cross the sovereign border of a foreign Country and assassinate UBL? My contention here is that the Seal team 6 was described one way by the Liberal media during the Bush years, and now another by that same media under Obama, and by the way, I approve of the operation under Obama and I approve of whatever terrorists may have been killed by this squad under Bush. Got it Mr. Lib? Now can you see the difference in MSM reporting under the two Administrations? I can. Most can. Spin on mi mal perdedor.

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scott selby 4 years, 4 months ago

See---- Yes, we crossed the Pakistani border, yes President Obama ordered it. Yes we killed UBL. Yes, the CIA falls under congressional oversight. Yes, the CIA commanded this mission. That is what I am saying.....wait for it.......because those are facts. Yes, Keith Olberman is a left-wing media pundit. The difference between you and I is the fact that I know that. Beck and Hannity are right-leaning pundits. Not all of what any of the three say in non-biased. If your point was to prove that Keith Olberman is a liberal, then job well done. Mission Accomplished.

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NamVet 4 years, 4 months ago

Guys- the person that makes the most comments here at the Pilot, more than everyone else added together is a blooming idiot.

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sledneck 4 years, 4 months ago

All I hear from most of you folks is ideology. You constantly put it ahead of the truth, the country and simple logic. Doing so makes you ALL look like fools. You defend the EXACT SAME actions in your camp that you condemn in the other. If you really believe half of what you're saying then you are absolute fools.

Bush was a terrible president. So is Obama. Neither one gives a damn about the Constitution, civil liberties or the rule of law.

You guys on the right refuse to see Bushes spending us into oblivian or ignoring the rule of law. You on the left, who claimed Obama was the answer, now refuse to see he has us in wars all over the globe just like Bush, in debt just like Bush, etc. He has not closed Gitmo, freed any "mistreated" terrorists or any thing else you all naievly thought he would do. He ordered an asasination Sunday and disposed of the body. I can only imagine what kind of BULLS..T I would have to listen to about that if Bush did it.

I don't know whether you folks need to smoke more weed or less but something is terribly freakin wrong with you all.

A POX ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES.

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't know Sled, but it sounds like you need to go have a smoke of the wild wacky weed, and go relax.

If I need to call BS on Seeuski (or anyone else, but it's usually Seeuski), the Pilot has given me the outlet to do so.

So step back big boss man, and climb down off your big high horse.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

@jimmmmmmmmmmm How about the B.S. you provided above, when confronted with facts ideologues resort to twisting reality and lying. Here is the truth on Rumsfeld and EIT's.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/transcript/bill-oreilly-truth-and-ideology

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jimmmmmm 4 years, 4 months ago

So, your boys over at Fixed News got him to sing a different tune? Go figure. I'll go with what he said the day before. Thanks though.

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Rick Pighini 4 years, 4 months ago

Wow someone mentioned glen beck. You need a job he's on at three. Ther are only one million people as dumb as him and that's the million of the idiots that watch his failed program. They are all criminals. When the reps are in control their friends get money and when the dems are in their friends get money. Money doesn't trickle from rich to middle if it did they wouldn't have acquired more wealth. In my business we hire when we have work not money. When we have money we wait and hope we have enough to get us to the time the orders come in. What puts America to work is when middle America has money when they buy things the whole worid works. We all need to stop voting against our own interest. we are the middle class we pay for everything. So let's talk about what we can do to help ourselves. I don't know about the rest of you business owners but my worst years financially were 2001 2002 2008 and 2009. The last 2 have been steady and growing. Whos fault is it? All of those elected crimminals.

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Rick Pighini 4 years, 4 months ago

I was taught in college that if you want to make money find out whos making a lot of money and do what he is doing. The point is when the middle class Are working and make money they buy cars appliances clothes vacations and even houses. We always hear about how our children will have to back our debt, but i remember the politicians saying that in the eighties. Then in the 90's when i and the rest of the middle class were working and we were all paying taxes we paid the debt and ended up with a surplus and i dont remember the pain of the pay back because i was making money. We the middle class have always paid about the same. In the late 80's and early 90's the japanese owned a lot of US property and business. By the middle of the 90's they were broke. It took ten years for their economy to recover. What they ended up figuring out was that the government had to put the same amount of money in to the economy as was taken out. And this money needed to be put into the hands of the middle class. I know that most of you are middle class. When were your best years and how has your tax burden changed. Where is your money going?

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NamVet 4 years, 4 months ago

The best years were the mid to late 90's. Where is the money going? It is easy to see- Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Israel, Wall St. Execs, Defense Contractors, CEO's etc. The old saying the rich get richer and the poor get poorer is very true today . We are moving to a society of the haves and the have nots just like the 1920's just before the Crash in 1929.

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seeuski 4 years, 4 months ago

What business do you make your middle class money in screw?

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sledneck 4 years, 4 months ago

Nam, Yes, the military budget is ridiculous but it's only about 21% of total spending.

The big money is going for socialist programs like social security, medicare, medicade, etc. And the new health care spending will exacerbate that tremendously.

Beyond that, the Wall St crowd and the big banks (same thing) should have been allowed to fail. BOTH sides of the political aisle screwed the American people on that... NOT just Democrats; NOT just Republicans... BOTH!

Apart from freeloaders I have no problem with the poor or the rich. The rich keep getting richer because they keep doing the things that got them rich. Ditto for the poor.

With VERY FEW exceptions every one of us is where we are today because of the choices we made in the past.

Besides, to be poor in America is to not be poor by any real standards.

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Rick Pighini 4 years, 4 months ago

The dollar has been up all week , OIL is on its tenth straight day down, and every sector of business is showing growth and profits according to US departments. Im getting a bucket to catch my trickle. social programs include the military, fire, police, roads, oil, GE, GM, banks, wallstreet, every federal park and museum, air travel, and every thing else the government does. I've paid in so if they take my SS. And my medicare, in twenty years i want a refund.

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seeuski 4 years, 3 months ago

I can't believe that the Progressives in Government that caused the current economic crisis we are in are still at it. The same practices that led to the Taxpayers losing 100's of $billions$ of dollars through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are being used to continue the spread the wealth/reparations programs. Wake up America, stop this madness NOW! Hurry up 2012.

"A Renewed Crackdown on Redlining In the wake of the subprime implosion, the Obama Administration has stepped up its scrutiny of disadvantaged neighborhoods' credit access" http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_20/b4228031594062.htm

Lending to the best borrowers, most qualified, is stymied in this market but the Obama nuts want to force the Taxpayers into more debt through dumb risk subprime loans. WTF

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seeuski 4 years, 3 months ago

I have made the very same arguments on these forums for a few years now that Greenspan warned about in 2005, and I absorbed the critique from those who blame Bush and Wall Street and greed and the "rich" etc,etc. The truth is available to all who care to see it.

"How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Kevin Hassett" http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&refer=columnist_hassett&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

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seeuski 4 years, 3 months ago

We are suffering the destruction of Capitalism via the Progressives dreams of social engineering and we are being governed by the very people who brought this economy to it's knees and they are in the process of increasing the death blow of our economy by finishing off the free market Capitalism that made us great. Vote the Progressives out in 2012 or prepare for collectivism and the forced Socialism that they desire.

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sledneck 4 years, 3 months ago

Screw, I stopped paying into Social Insecurity fifteen years ago because it was obvious that I would never see a dime. You (and everyone else) should stop paying too. It can be done.

See, The American peoples level of education and morality has deteriorited far beyond/ below what is required for a free people to self-govern. You are dealing with (especially in Steamboat) people who believe: 1. That it's bad for an oil company to make 4 cents on a gallon of gas while its not enough that the government makes 48 Cents. 2. That it is ok to put a bullet in the head of an unarmed prisoner but it's not ok to water-board one. 3. That taking water from the deep end of a pool and pouring it into the shallow end can cause the level of the pool to rise. 4. That war is never right till their guy starts one. 5. That Wall St is in the republicans camp when in reality democrats were given way, way more $$$ than republicans before the election of 08. (Gasparino) 6. That it's governments job to redistrubute wealth. 7. That wealthy people will stay in America and be fleeced rather than leave. 8. That drug companies will continue to diligently search for and find life-saving drugs and treatments for NO PROFFIT or even the possibility of proffit. 9. That electricity can continue to flow to more and more people without building a coal fired power plant, nuclear power plant, etc. 10. That gas prices (or any others) will remain static as dollars are printed out of thin air. 11. That gas is a rip-off but government is a bargain. 12. That everything you do (except suicide) is bad for the environment while the ski lifts, bicycles, subarus, skateboards, etc that they use somehow come sliding down the rainbow out of some unicorns' butt. 13. That, for every dollar government takes from my family, they have a better idea of how to spend it and that they will do a better job of allocating those scarce resources than I will. 14. That government (and that means them) has a right to tell me: who to hire who to work for how much i must pay a worker where i can locate my business where i can not locate my business how much compensation i must demand from an employer what to eat what to smoke what not to eat what not to smoke where to build what to build how to build it what materials to use to build it where not to build what not to build what to drive what not to drive how to dicipline my kids how to feed my kids how much water to use when flushing my toilet when to see a doctor what terms to enter into with a lender what terms to enter into with a borrower what standards to use for the education of my kids how to defend myself where i can have a gun if i can have a gun if i can carry a gun Ad Infinitum Ad Nauseum

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sledneck 4 years, 3 months ago

And my dear Seeuski, while the left would most certainly be the fastest path to certain destruction, we are not suffering all these things at the hands of democrats and progressives alone. No, no! A lot of this crap is supported by republicans and those who call themselves conservatives.

Try to recognize that from time to time.

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seeuski 4 years, 3 months ago

sled, I specifically named the threat as a Progressive agenda, I did NOT delineate the difference between R and D, although it is clearly obvious that the majority of D's are infected and it is the minority of R's that are infected. I can tell the difference, can you? This is no longer a joke or a contest as to who can post the best retort, this is our future. Shoot the messenger.

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sledneck 4 years, 3 months ago

I wasn't trying to shoot the messenger, my dear. I was only pointing out that there are plenty of little would-be Napoleons on both sides of the aisle. I think you sometimes give republicans more leeway than they deserve; thats all.

You are right, this is not a joke. It's deadly serious.

Where we seem to disagree is that I firmly believe it is now far too late to turn the ship of state using politicians. You seem to hold out hope that elections can solve our problems; I have no such hopes.

Elections are held tallying up votes of people who think the way I described above. Therefore, elections will yield the same results they have for decades. After all... "garbage in- garbage out". Right???

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seeuski 4 years, 3 months ago

Sled Doll, we probably agree on the bulk of things and I know we need a radically Conservative POTUS in 2012 to save what is the dying breath of this great Nation. Large measures are needed by a great leader. I have my vision for those that are qualified and have beaten the machine or the odds in their past. And really only 1 is in the race so far, hint <----------.

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sledneck 4 years, 3 months ago

Is that Herman Caine's picture? I have a lot of respect for him but I don't think he has a chance. I think Ron Paul would be good for the country too but he too has almost zero chance.

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seeuski 4 years, 3 months ago

Paul has no chance. Yes that is Cain, he is high on the list along with others. Two of which are women.

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sledneck 4 years, 3 months ago

Well, at least he's black. You think that will get him any black votes?

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