Steamboat police captain calls for medical marijuana ban

Rae: Marijuana use, DUIDs have “skyrocketed” since dispensaries opened in 2009

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Joel Rae

— Capt. Joel Rae, of the Steamboat Springs Police Department, asked city officials Tuesday night to consider an outright ban of medical marijuana sellers in Steamboat Springs.

Rae cited statistics that show dramatic increases in statewide cases for driving un­­der the influence of drugs since 2009, when the medical marijuana industry began to boom in Colorado. Rae also said Steamboat police are encountering more marijuana in arrests and on city streets. He said the marijuana often is held by people without cards permitting medical use but often is in containers indicating the marijuana came from a local dispensary.

“There is a huge influx of DUID cases happening all over the state of Colorado,” Rae told the Steamboat Springs City Council in Centennial Hall. “Locally, there’s a 64 percent increase in DUID cases from 2009 to 2010.”

City Council conducted a first reading Tuesday night of revised medical marijuana regulations. Many of the changes align the city’s regulations with state legislation adopted last year. City Council voted, 6-1, to not implement restrictions on print advertising for the industry, which the Steamboat Springs Planning Commission suggested last month. Councilwoman Meg Bentley voted in support of ad restrictions.

City Council also expressed support for staff recommendations that infused product manufacturing and cultivation operations be permitted to operate in homes if they meet home occupation criteria, such as building and fire code compliance.

City Council voted against, however, adding a fourth license — beyond the city’s current cap of three dispensary licenses — to accommodate home-based infused product manufacturer Lisa Kamieniecki, who wants to continue her business independent of the city’s three licensed medical marijuana centers.

Kamieniecki told City Council she has a state license for the business. City staff attorney Dan Foote said Kamieniecki requested a city license last year and was denied because of the city’s cap.

Council’s discussions about the revisions continued past 11 p.m. Tuesday. Approval at a second public reading is needed for the revisions to become city law, but the ordinance’s future is uncertain — City Council members said they were surprised by Tuesday’s unexpected calls for a ban of local dispensaries.

Dr. Brian Harrington, of Yampa Valley Medical Associates, also made that request, saying the industry is based on false pretenses and debatable medical value.

“I recommend that you ban these dispensaries,” Harrington said. “Don’t let Steamboat be an experimental ground for something that is not figured out and is a danger to our community.”

When City Council President Cari Hermacinski asked Rae if he was asking for no more additional licenses, or for an outright ban, Rae answered simply.

“I’m saying ban,” he said.

Council members Scott Myller and Meg Bentley said they could support a ban, while Hermacinski and Councilman Jon Quinn said they opposed the idea. Council members Kenny Reisman, Walter Magill and Bart Kounovsky said they weren’t expecting the question and need more information.

A majority of City Council, though, supported asking city staff to prepare information on how a ban could proceed, potential impacts and numerous legal questions. Foote said he could present that information at a future meeting, possibly May 3.

Medical marijuana center representatives including Kevin Fisher, of Rocky Mountain Remedies; Chris Ward, of Aloha’s in Milner; and JJ Southard, of Natural Choice, spoke Tuesday, stating their businesses follow applicable laws, employ local workers — Fisher said he employs 40 people — and serve patients in dire need of medication.

“I have people coming in who are taking chemotherapy with tumors rising out of their skin,” Southard said. “There are doctors in town who support this, and they will be here for the second reading.”

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beentheredonethat 3 years, 3 months ago

legalize pot and instead focus more on real crime issues like illegal gun ownership.

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JJ Southard 3 years, 3 months ago

The Pilot reporter left early.... The City voted not to ban medical marijuana centers and to continue with the 1st reading of the ordinance.

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muck 3 years, 3 months ago

Hey Joel,

ASK THE LOCAL DA AND COURT SYSTEM TO JUST SING "BLUE EYES CRYING IN THE RAIN" LIKE THEY DO IN TEXAS.

OOOH WAIT, OUR CITIZENS ARE REAL HARDEN CRIMINALS WITH POT AND WILLIE NELSON IS A ICON.

MY BAD!!

WHAT A FLIPPING JOKE!

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Zed 3 years, 3 months ago

"industry is based on false pretenses and debatable medical value"

If it is truly medical, let chemo patients get it from a trained pharmacist with all of their other medications with a prescription from a doctors office. Selling and growing pot out of a warehouse on downhill drive and calling it medical is a farse. I am not opposed to legalization, but the current arrangement is about money to both the sellers and to city officials collecting taxes. Selling drugs has always been about money and clearly the current operations are making a lot of it.

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honestabe 3 years, 3 months ago

I feel the pilot has done us a disservice in not reporting further on the "64% increase in duids".
Is it possible to find out the increase in duid's not resulting in a guilty verdict? I have heard that they are very difficult, if not impossible, to prove in court, and many are being dropped.

also, the more telling number, other than tickets issued by police, would be, "Are there any increases in the number of accidents being caused by people under the influence of pot?" If there were many more accidents, this would be a good reason to get rid of medical pot, not just the fact that cops are more duid ticket happy. Pilot, further research?

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blue_spruce 3 years, 3 months ago

time to legalize it and stop making mexican drug lords - and all the violent drug dealers south of the border and here in the us - filthy rich. its far more benign then alcohol or many prescription drugs. lets legalize it and kill the black market that exists ONLY due to prohibition.

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Dan Hill 3 years, 3 months ago

Joel Rae is entitled to his opinion on the law as any other citizen is. As Capt Rae he ought to stick to enforcing the law as the community through its elected officials has decided it should be.

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blue_spruce 3 years, 3 months ago

oh yeah, i forgot - AND WASTING AN OBSCENE AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER MONEY FIGHTING A "WAR" THAT WILL NEVER BE WON.....

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 3 months ago

honestabe, I did some actual research and contacted CSAP to determine actual traffic fatalities in Colorado. Fatalities dropped by 5% to 276 in 2009.and dropped by over 10% to 243 in 2010. And traffic accidents also declined. So no evidence that MMJ is causing an increase in traffic accidents or fatalities.

So maybe the anecdotal accounts are true, mmj patients thinking their meds are legal left them in plain sight. So then when pulled over the officer has probable cause and since drug test shows recent usage (at least several days) then these patient's usage at home shows up as a positive drug test. And then the whole thing falls apart at trial because jury believes the patient's story.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

The only reason that this article should have been written is to illustrate the complete ridiculousness of it all. Why is this cop fighting to make pot illegal again in his town? He likes his job and busting potheads really isn't that hard of a job, especially when you live in a beautiful place like this. However, once there are legal provisions for the cannabis users that he formally enjoyed making easy busts on, he'll have to actually go out and find REAL police work to do. Imagine that, our law enforcement officials actually doing there job and protecting us from the truly dangerous people out there.

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OnTheBusGus 3 years, 3 months ago

Grand Junction and Castle Rock recently banned their MMJ dispensaries, maybe Joel could move to one of those places.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17779981

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rhys jones 3 years, 3 months ago

That's the problem, mmj -- there IS no real crime here, so they have to make it!!

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. Numerous times. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LISTEN? We're sick of a heavy-handed Big Brother. SICK.

President Nixon's own commission, to study the effects and risks of marijuana, released their findings at least 2 years after he left office. I read every word. In it, they found that stoned subjects performed as well as, if not BETTER THAN, their straight counterparts, in motor skills on driving simulators. As indicated in posts above, the admittedly higher marijuana usage in this state, since medical adoption (for lack of a better phrase), has led to no perceptible increase in traffic incidents; even may have served to reduce them. Nixon's commission concluded that the ONLY risk to the marijuana user, is his possible arrest and incarceration. This is NIXON'S commission; one would think that if they had an axe to grind, results they wished to encourage, (any experiment is inherently biased) they might have been slanted in the opposite direction. They reported what they found, to their credit. I have seen no study, in the intervening years, that was either so thorough, or so fair.

So when will our rulers listen to us? What will it take? Of course medical is just a smokescreen, a step in the right direction, toward full legalization. Once a few more old fogies die off, it'll happen. The Jack Daniels/Jim Beam lobby got it outlawed to begin with, fearing for their business lives (and yet unaware the two could co-exist). That the stuff actually IS beneficial, in many areas, is what will be our salvation -- we were right, all along.

If the cops would hassle the teenage gangs instead of the stoners, maybe a guy could get a good night's sleep around here, for a change.

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1999 3 years, 3 months ago

I think the increase in DUIDs is from the fact that the cops are looking for it more now.

quit wasting your time and OUR money. good grief

go after the meth makers and coke dealers.

oh and maybe spend some time mentoring our youth as it seems they are bored and being punks at the library.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 3 months ago

I think law enforcement generally thinks that society would be better without drugs. Which I think is not a bad sentiment.

The trouble is that they overestimate their ability to reduce or eliminate drugs. They tend to think they can make a difference in the supply and usage of mj. When study after study has shown that pot is acceptable to so many people that even the biggest pot busts have made no impact upon easy availability of pot.

Of the information in the packet that is most concerning to me is the included responses from the local survey. It would appear that over 90% of the students that responded are seriously misinformed regarding marijuana. These students responses almost all said "highly addictive" which medically has been proven to be false. Pot has consistently been found to not be physically addictive unlike alcohol and many prescription drugs. Pot has been found to be addictive as a habit forming activity.

When we have proof from a countywide survey that our children are being taught lies and none of them report knowing proven facts then we should be upset and what that problem fixed.

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rhys jones 3 years, 3 months ago

Even the Powers That Be smoke it, behind closed doors. I've seen it; not at liberty to share details. It's still illegal because so many still make their living off that status, Officer Rae included. All at our expense, may I remind you.

If only he who is without sin were allowed to cast rocks, the air would be mighty clear.

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Candice Martin 3 years, 3 months ago

I would rather see EVERY liquor store in town banned first!

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

"Dr. Brian Harrington, of Yampa Valley Medical Associates, also made that request, saying the industry is based on false pretenses and debatable medical value."

So, thousands of years of documented use, for conditions ranging from PMS to migraine headaches, without a SINGLE fatality caused by an overdose of cannabis, and you call that debatable? Really?

Well, let's hear it Doc! What's the debate?

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 3 months ago

Sure the medical value can be debated. So can the medical value of any number of drugs prescribed every day at YVMA. There are even medical procedures of debatable medical happening frequently at YVMA. But even doctors at YVMA are more concerned with the individual patient in front of them than whether some other person can debate the medical value of what was done.

Legality should not require something to be proven good. It should be legal unless it can be proven to be bad and when it intrudes into people's personal lives then it needs to be proven very bad.

Where is the harm of mmj? CDOT says reduced accidents and traffic fatalities in past two years so it has not made the roads dangerous. Where are the hundreds of admissions to YVMC from overdoses? Not the prescription drugs overdoses, not the alcohol poisonings, the mj overdoses. Where are the crazed reefer madness hooligans? Where are the millions of baby boomers vegetables that destroyed their brains from 40 years of usage?

There appears to be a rarely observed chronic vomiting syndrome caused by heavy chronic usage which is so debilitating that it actually causes some people to stop using pot. (Looks like a form of allergic reaction can develop).

Want a count of people that die each year from alcohol? From tobacco? From aspirin? From marijuana?

And there have been periodic stories for 40 years on newer more dangerous harmful strains of mj that somehow has yet to have any bad effects.

And as documented in the packet, someone is lying to the students of Routt County since those that responded to the survey with remarkable consistency say that mj is "highly addictive" which has medically been proven false.

Time to stop the scary lies and stick to the truth.

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Fred Duckels 3 years, 3 months ago

Fisher has 40 empoloyees, I would like to see his sales tax receipts.

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1999 3 years, 3 months ago

Fred, fisher is an excellent business man. clearly.

are you suggesting he is cheating? if so.... lets see your tax receipts.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

So instead of applauding a business owner for venturing into a new industry with his 40 jobs that he can supply, you want to hop all over his case about sales tax receipts?

Bravo Fred! Someone ought to work you up some sort of medal or something.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

And would someone please remind all of the nae-sayers that they're strictly a minority in this state(and every other state in this union that has enacted some form of pro-cannabis legislation)?

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Ryan Fisher 3 years, 3 months ago

Hey Fred Duckels, What you should be interested in is transparency in construction bidding in Steamboat...

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muck 3 years, 3 months ago

How bout we put this to a vote of the PEOPLE of Routt County. Come on CAPTAIN, put your money where your badge is.

All you na-sayers? COME ON! Lets settle this STUPID debate once and for all.

We win, then you STOP ALL THE NONSENSE AND PROVEN LIES.

You win, then its over for alot of people. AND the people will have spoken.

Are you all willing to put up or shut up?

I am willing to bet you will HATE the outcome of an election. Maybe thats why it has not happened yet? If it is tearing our lives apart like some of you claim why have we not just stopped it? Why is SS council feel its important to keep them around if we see such harm to our kids and public?

TRY TO JUSTIFY THAT JOB JOEL. Budget cuts loom for everyone soon.

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muck 3 years, 3 months ago

November 1, 2010 Pilot Article

“I think it looks pretty good,” Grand Futures Managing Direc­tor Dervla Lacy said. “We seem to be below the state average in most of those categories.”

REMEMBER??????

11-12 Graders marijuana use down 40%

REMEMBER JUST 5 MONTHS AGO??

Joel you and GF are like peas and carrots.

WTF? WHY DO YOU LIE!

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JJ Southard 3 years, 3 months ago

I would appreciate it if The Pilot would take the time to properly report what actually went on last night.... Due to the deadline for a frontpage headline article today, this reporter skipped out of the meeting early, missing some important points. Cari even looked around after the final vote to NOT BAN MMC's, and she said, "Is the press still here??"... Because it was a pretty important vote. 4-3 to continue reading the ordinance and NOT pursue banning MMC's.

This, it seems, is much to the chagrin of our local, profiteering hospital, that seems to thing pharmaceuticals are the only sensible option for Steamboat adults. This, so-called, military-type, physician, Dr. Harrington, seems to think our council and our community is gullible enough to believe his lies....especially because he (and his amigos) wore his white coat doctor costume. Some of us, Doc, don't need your prescription pad.... There is an enormous amount of research out today that only makes you and your statements look ridiculous. Please, Dr. Harrington, next Tuesday night, stay home and focus on your patients. They deserve it. We'll focus on ours.

And....this vote, it seems, also, now, much to the chagrin of our local police chief (supported, by, but not vocally, our Routt Sheriffs too).....who seems to trust that when students fill out surveys in school, that they do so honestly. We all know better. Hand a middle-schooler a survey about drugs and alcohol and expecting them to answer honestly is asinine. The number of DUID's skyrocketed with the boom in the medical marijuana industry?? WOW!!!.....how long did it take to link those two phenomenons? The hidden phenomenon here is that in 2010, cops and troopers are actively looking for and pursuing DUID's.....which will lead to sky-rockecting stats!! Are the stats shocking to anyone? There has been no "boom" in the alcohol industry....nope, it continues to crush it nationwide, billions upon billions.... DUI's are at an alarming rate.....but are desensitized to enormous number of DUI's because they always happen.... DUID's are no different and the trend will stabilize with DUI and stay consistent.

And of course, if the MMC's are gone.... All the problems relating to marijuana will go away... the stats will go back down...people will go back to popping pills...etc, etc... WRONG!!!

OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE....THE MMC'S ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.

Decide for yourselves

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sledneck 3 years, 3 months ago

Stop carrying weed around in you car and driving stoned (or drunk) and there is no problem.

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Zed 3 years, 3 months ago

Sled, I agree with you 100%, Probably the most insightful comment on this story.

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rhys jones 3 years, 3 months ago

You will find cited herein, many reasons why we do not enjoy each other's personal company lately. I went back to the big city for the winter, partly because I'm fed up with that petty jurisdiction. You've got yourselves a little Nazi Germany going on there, patrolled by a vigilant SS. Sure the cops are targeting it, they need jobs too, and, quota or no, don't think they don't keep score. It's all a big game, to some of us.

Besides that, Bill's retired, nobody left to keep me out of trouble.

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mtntrekker 3 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Rae is stating that duids are up. Driving under the influence of drugs (duid) is along the lines of driving under the influence of alcohol (dui). The police can tell if someone is driving under the influence of alcohol just by watching them drive. They might think that person is drunk, so they pull them over. But that driver might be smoking MJ instead of drinking alcohol. I would think smoking MJ would impair your ability to drive just like alcohol would (just a guess). Since it is now easier to get MMJ, those people still have to drive. So like sledneck said - don't drink and drive, don't smoke and drive. And yes, unfortunatley, some card carrying users are probably giving to their friends.

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mtroach 3 years, 3 months ago

Fred, you would be in the MMJ business if you saw the sales reciepts from a clinic. Drug lords in mexico have no problem killing to protect their drug profits. The only way to stop the illegal profiteering is to legalize and tax. Use the tax reciepts to educate and inform as well as enforce the DUI laws that noone in the legalization debates denounces.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

mtntrekker-

Here's where in lies the problem with making the case for a DUID:

For a normal alcohol related DUI, there's a very easy way to discernibly qualify the level of intoxication through the use of a breath-a-lizer or a blood test. Sometimes, it's even pretty easy to nail someone with a road-side sobriety test. However, it's much more difficult to obtain such reliable evidence in a case involving DUID, let's say as with cannabis. Sure, a urinalysis( or a whizz quizz, as we called 'em in the Navy) can be conducted but the resulting data is nowhere near as telling as a breath-a-lizer(which doesn't exist for detecting cannabis). The only thing that a urinalysis can inform someone of is whether or not the test subject has ingested THC with-in a few days (not hours)of the test. What this means is that it's nearly impossible to prove that a cannabis user has JUST ingested THC, or ingested THC days ago.

And just a small side note, your "guess" on the point you make that cannabis impairs someone just the same way that alcohol does... Well, do you think that a drunk person could type all this stuff up? My highly educated guess says absolutely, undoubtedly NO. Nonetheless, I've smoked about 4 bowls of my sweet medicine since I've gotten home from work and I'm still as articulate as the next guy, if not more.

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rhys jones 3 years, 3 months ago

mmj patients: Make sure all your tail lights are in working order, signals, brake lights. Make sure your license plate is illuminated, visible, and current. Repair major windshield cracks, and don't have obstructions in your vision. Especially repair any rear-end damage (sure sign of an underinsured drunk driver -- unrepaired rear damage, taillights especially). These are all red flags to a cop, enough to cause suspicion, and fabricate probable cause if necessary. Signal your lane changes, come to complete stops, don't speed or go too slow -- more red flags. Stupid reasons like these are why most dopers get popped, not because they are a hazard.

This is still America, and they still need probable cause. Don't give them a reason to look twice at you. If you're just high, that should be no problem. ;)

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Zed 3 years, 3 months ago

^^^ Usually when I look over at the person in the next lane or in my rear view and see them/their passenger smoking a bowl or when I can smell the weed from inside someone's car when they drive by me, that is a red flag.

It is daily that I observe this and you have to have lost some sense of reality if you don't think the smell is getting outside of your vehicle and affecting your ability to drive a car. Other locals have to be seeing/smelling the same things?

Back to Sled's point, even if you are prescribed is your medical condition that bad that you can't wait until getting home to medicate?

And how are these patients able to work un-medicated with their medical condition or work under the influence? Are they all forced to suffer through the work day with no medication, as I know of no employers that allow someone to work while smoking weed.

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Zed 3 years, 3 months ago

"Nonetheless, I've smoked about 4 bowls of my sweet medicine since I've gotten home from work and I'm still as articulate as the next guy, if not more. "

mmj - Would you agree that Marijuana affects everyone differently and while it may put you in the "articulate zone" it might put someone else into a tailspin? (observation from college: I could smoke it and operate with improved skills, but my roommate would go nuts and not be able to function in public).

And secondly how would someone know if it is going to have adverse effects if you are taking additional medications, alcohol, especially if you are not working with a pharmacist familiar with a variety medications.

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Zed 3 years, 3 months ago

MMJ - One last questions came to mind this evening: Since this is anonymous I hope you don't mind my asking what your medical condition and symptoms are that are best treated by a dosage of 4 bowls?

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

"I think law enforcement generally thinks that society would be better without drugs. Which I think is not a bad sentiment."

You really think that? You don't seem to have a problem with turning my neighborhood in Oak Creek from residential, into commercial pot growing. Your new tenants don't begin to comply with HR 1284, and you've managed to piss off every adjacent property owner by changing the use of your building without bothering to go through the proper procedures -- which none of them would sign off on. I know, I asked, and what's going on is so high-profile that it's no secret to anybody around here.

So my impression is that you're very pro-drug, Scott -- and very unconcerned about asset seizure since you know full well what's going on, and are just as capable of looking up the pertinent statutes as I am.

While I'm of a mind that MJ should be decriminalized, that doesn't BEGIN to mean that I approve of the four-plex next door to my home being turned into a major growing operation, particularly in the absence of a local change-of-use permit, or state permit for an optional-premises cultivation operation (which is what you have when your dwelling units are only occupied by marijuana plants). But I guess as long as they're willing to pay rent, you really don't give a crap about the neighborhood going to pot.

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

That being said, these newcomers are bringing the heat down on themselves, with no help from me or my last post. MMJ advocates should, in fact, have a chat with these idiots before such blatant disregard for Colorado law (and utter lack of discretion or common sense) causes a backlash which re-amends the constitution to reinstate outright prohibition. I'm no fan of the current situation, but I'd prefer a progressive course, rather than regressing into an absurd and expensive "war" -- and my new neighbors aren't helping.

Let's just say that growing pot plants under bright lights for a while, before blacking out the windows, after unloading multiple trailer-loads of plants in broad daylight with nothing covering them, in clear view of passing traffic (with the landlord standing right there, great PR move with the neighbors, Scott), attracted plenty of attention. None of the people involved are wearing "badges", none of the entries have the required signage, and no operational license is displayed or on file with the town. So it's only a matter of time.

Let's also say that there are plenty of folks around here who are outright opposed to MMJ/decrim/legalization, so perhaps those of you in the industry could exercise some common-sense discretion and not flaunt your high-volume residential-area operations to anyone who walks by and asks for the tour. This is still technically a federal crime, not to mention a hot-button issue in the state, so throwing it in the face of those who wish to see existing federal law enforced and state law changed, is a pretty flagrant foul. Plenty of commercial space available in the valley, where nobody could see (or smell) what you're up to, or object to it on reasonable zoning grounds...

Keep it low! Or see it go.

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muck 3 years, 3 months ago

Eric, "You really think that? You don't seem to have a problem with turning my neighborhood in Oak Creek from residential, into commercial pot growing. Your new tenants don't begin to comply with HR 1284, and you've managed to piss off every adjacent property owner by changing the use of your building without bothering to go through the proper procedures"

WHAT THE? Where does it say a primary caregiver must change land use code? DID YOU READ bill 1284?

This tennant you refer to LIVED 20 yards caddy corner on that SAME street for 6 months. Take ANOTHER look less than 150 yards from your house. I know a certain closed down store front real close to you is a grow operation. AND, the despensary is about 200 yards away. DID YOU READ 1284

A primary caregiver must ONLY have the permission of the landlord to grow MMJ in a residence. NOT YOURS OR YOUR NEIGHBORS! You saw him move them plants into his house and thats it. DONT BE A WORRIE WART. DONT FALL FOR THE LIES. DONT BELIVE WHAT THEY TELL YOU. DONT WORRY ITS A PLANT. I PROMISE IT WONT HURT YOUR WAY OF LIFE.

DID YOU READ 1284?

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muck 3 years, 3 months ago

ERIC

Most of all!! Do you remember who lived there 1 year ago? Do you? Ask Lance (cop and former neighbor of yours) and Ileene Rossi what those former tenants were COOKING in the end unit that faces your house. Just ask them. All the arrest that took place at the four plex before Scott owned it. Call former owner DICK. Did you ever get high from the fumes?

I promise you wont get high just smelling MMJ growing.

Ask them. Get some facts about your former neighbors.

A little hint? They were not cooking pies.

NOW YOU HAVE A REASON TO BE PI**ED OFF!

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

Yes, I live in Lance's former pad, and Dick is my landlord, and has been for 12 of the 18 years I've lived in Routt County, including at the old Hospital in the very unit you mention. What reason do I have to be pissed off at Dick? He didn't knowingly rent to meth-heads, witnessing and approving of their operation. Regardless, I don't see what that has to do with the issue of, is it really OK to just turn a residential unit into a dedicated cultivation facility with no tenants, without the appropriate permits?

Muck, do you think you could stop shouting, and attempt a rational conversation? Have YOU read the bill? Because it expressly gives municipalities the right to regulate where optional premises cultivation operations are allowed, based on zoning. For those who don't know, Oak Creek has no zoning, only a land-use code. Said code requires surrounding property owners to sign off on any proposed use that varies from historical use. For example, Chan had to get the property owners around the old kayak factory to sign off on changing its use from manufacturing countertops to MMJ cultivation. All nice and legal, there, and in an appropriate part of town (i.e. not the middle of the highest-population-density block in town). So no problem from me.

Also, HR 10-1284 is also quite clear about the rules for primary caregivers; that is not the nature of the operation in question, which is quite clearly an "optional premises cultivation operation" which primary caregivers are NOT allowed to operate, unless also registering as a dispensary or infused-product manufacturer (with the appropriate state and local permits). A primary caregiver, again according to the law you purport to have read, is NOT required to have the permission of the landlord; however, this is required before a permit for optional premises cultivation operations is issued.

I don't know what living catty-corner has to do with it, other than the fact that it means the optional premises cultivation operation must be licensed as such before going into business. I don't know what you're getting at with the other facilities you mention; yeah, there's a perfectly legal dispensary here, and I was under the impression that the rather-obvious grow room in the Circle R is a licensed optional premises cultivation operation related to the licensed dispensary. Not all grow operations are automatically legal now, you know...

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muck 3 years, 3 months ago

So the question is Eric which are those folks? Caregivers or growing for a despensary. Did you bother to ask them? Did you ask Scott. Did you see any licenses? Did you call the State? Did you talk with Lance? Sounds like you are more mad at Scott than MMJ. Trailer loads of MMJ? I saw rather large plants is all i saw.

OR DID YOU SEE PLANTS AND THATS IT? Just wondering? Legal or not? DID YOU ASK ANYONE?

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muck 3 years, 3 months ago

Eric, If you feel the law has been broken i DONT support that in anyway. Call Garret Wiggins then and i will support that 100%. As much as you may dislike it, I will send a sick person to you and might ease some of your FEARS of legit MMJ use.

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

No, I did not see any licenses, nor did I see any badges, nor do I see any signage, nor is there a permit filed with the town, according to property owners who asked. Scott told Dick they're primary caregivers (two per unit, also expressly prohibited by law), I know for a fact this is on Lance's to-do list when he returns, and Scott stopped talking to me a couple of years ago when I interceded between him and one of his tenants he was verbally abusing and physically looming over, so that's fine by me.

What I did was go read up on the issue, and the entire statute, I can quote you specific sections if you'd like; and since I've been moving into this house at the same time they've been moving into that one (whose floor plan I've come to know quite well over the years), I've seen waaaaay more than I'm comfortable with of anyone's federally-criminalized activities. For many days now. I'm hardly spying, nor is anyone else. No, I haven't spoken to these folks, nor do I care to. They're quite clearly insane to be broadcasting their dubious-legal-status activities to the entire town, while playing fast and loose with the rules.

So yeah, I'm biased against Scott (what was he thinking, he's not that ignorant of his neighbors' views). But I doubt, given the current state of affairs and uncertainties and the July 11 deadline coming up for local ordinances, that anyone will get into any serious trouble over this, provided that they clean up their act and find any of the abundant suitable properties out in the county somewhere to set up shop instead of ramming it down this down a neighborhood's throat, when that neighborhood is already unhappy about having a dispensary (which is, at least, a storefront operation where storefront operations have historically been located in this mixed-use area).

Which, Scott aside, makes this the perfect opportunity to discuss a question of interest to most anyone who could potentially find the house next door to their own home converted to commercial MMJ cultivation literally overnight. As to me calling the law on anyone, that isn't going to happen, I'm just trying to start a timely debate.

But, I wouldn't delude myself into thinking that whoever those folks are who are always calling the authorities over Steve-O's firewood sign or meth-heads in the old Hospital or what-have-you around here, won't bother pursuing this when it's so blatantly obvious (and also blatantly obvious that there's a change-of-use away from a residential four-plex, which anyone going by can judge based on that toilet bowl sittin' on the front porch, in addition to the no-effort-to-be-secret grow operation taking over an entire historic building). This is an Internet forum; everything written here (even when it isn't anonymous) is hearsay, not sworn deposition to an officer of the court, so we're free to debate this issue while it hashes out. I rent; it's the property owners these growers need to worry about.

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

As to the medical efficacy of marijuana. In Canada, your Doctor can prescribe you some Sativex throat spray, which you can have filled at your regular pharmacy. On pubmed.gov, you can research all the new findings about CBDs and their ability to halt angiogenesis and shrink tumors (in much higher concentrations than you'll be getting from smoking or eating/drinking your herb), and the long-term studies of cigarette chain-smokers who smoke pot vs. those who don't (waaaay fewer cases of lung cancer for the pothead chainsmokers). As a chronic pain patient, I qualify for a card, which I don't have because MMJ does nothing for it and I believe anyone who says otherwise is just gettin' high.

Here in Colorado, we've managed to make a mockery of the entire MMJ concept, and I seriously doubt that a very high percentage of registered "patients" are dying of cancer, or actually have glaucoma, or etc. and the studies showing the male/female disparity don't convince me that marijuana has more medical efficacy in males -- but I consider the entire issue a red herring. Decriminalize, a la Holland or better yet, Portugal. Not legalize, and don't destroy everyone's property values by putting commercial grow operations in unsecured residential buildings where there's hardly any police coverage to deal with the inevitable ripoffs, strange comings and goings in the night, or glares from the paranoid when I walk around the neighborhood with my cats like I've been doing almost every night for the past 11 years, from somebody who's been here since last Tuesday.

Had I known this was coming, I seriously doubt I would've signed that lease on this place the other week. Again, decriminalization good, ramming commercial groweries down the throats of neighborhoods where they simply aren't wanted by avoiding the whole licensing process by trying to loophole the caregiver thing, bad. Can I get a show of hands from those who wouldn't mind having this happen next door to their own home?

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 3 months ago

Eric J Bowman, You post many allegations as fact which are false.

It is not a commercial or caregivers grow facility. All plants are on medical mj licenses held by tenants that signed the lease that will be living there.

These friends that spend a lot of time together and like to eat together are moving from several different places around town into one fourplex. If it was a commercial grow facility then this additional space would be expanding their current operations and they'd be bringing in baby plants. They brought in their mature plants from their previous residences. Their growing is occurring in one room of three units.

Eric Bowman made no attempt to talk to me and I have been there every day except one for a month. Dick Curtis called me yesterday and asked what was happening and I told him it was new tenants moving in with mmj licenses.

I had existing tenants in the Curry grow their mmj this winter without complaints expressed to me. I really do not see the issue with tenants with mmj licenses using part of their residence to grow their mmj.

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

Whether I'm specifically right or not is really irrelevant, since this will be scrutinized regardless, given the number of eyebrows raised over the past several days. So it will all come out in the end. Your explanation raises more questions than it answers. I'll believe those folks are occupying the building when they're occupying the building; until then, the fact that they aren't occupying the building but are growing there anyway, is exactly what's meant by playing fast and loose with the rules. Exactly what you told Dick was going on, and just said here, is what I believe violates the provision, "Two or more primary caregivers shall not join together for the purpose of cultivating medical marijuana." IANAL, so I could be wrong, but you really need to brush up on the law if you allowed MMJ in the Curry -- since you have federally-subsidized tenants there, MMJ is actually forbidden in that building, as I read the law.

Scott, I've attempted to speak with you several times since the incident with Vicki, but your response is to pretend you don't hear, or look away and pretend you're talking on the phone. It's petulant and childish, so you only have yourself to blame when folks air their grievances with you online, instead of having to engage you in a shouting match.

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rhys jones 3 years, 3 months ago

Eric's winning this one. Legalize it, like Denver. There's my two hands.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 3 months ago

Eric, Well any comment that starts as "Whether I'm specifically right or not is really irrelevant" is pretty clear statement of the disregard to the truth that has occurred and is to come.

Please quit lying. I did not tell anyone they were caregivers. It is personal mmj use.

You don't believe they are moving in? Well, nice of you to admit you don't believe the truth.

As you read the law is wrong regarding federally subsidized rent. I know a tenant on rent assistance growing on their mmj license that was inspected by the local HUD representative.

I most certainly have not ignored any attempt by you to talk to me. That is a laughable claim. When in the past month did you make any attempt to talk to me? I haven't seen you for a month except when you drove past (and did not stop to try to talk).

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 3 months ago

I have asked the Pilot remove the above comments including my own response because they contain enough information to identify particular residents and their location and their mmj status and that they are growing mmj.

That does not belong in an open discussion.

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

Scott, the most recent time was Tuesday, when I made a left turn by your building and you were standing out in the street, and all of this was going on. As soon as you noticed me stopping to talk to you, you spun a 180 on your heel.

Did the Pilot censor any discussions of the kayak factory, or redact the name of that location from their coverage on it regarding this same issue?

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

What lie have I told, Scott? The fact is that nobody has, as yet, moved in. Yet the plants live there, giving the appearance to everyone in the neighborhood who witnessed the plants moving in, etc. and has been discussing it, of a grow facility being managed and tended from other addresses. There's a permit for that sort of thing, which is not displayed nor is it on file. That's the truth you're disregarding, and that's the indiscretion which has drawn all the attention. If, in the future, these folks do move in, it will remain a fact that they were growing there whilst residing elsewhere, so I hope for their sakes that they are abiding by the letter of the law, because the broad-daylight, witnessed-by-half-the-town nature of their activities guaranteed scrutiny before I opened my mouth and said anything.

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

"[S]o I hope for their sakes that they are abiding by the letter of the law, because the broad-daylight, witnessed-by-half-the-town nature of their activities guaranteed scrutiny before I opened my mouth and said anything."

And certainly spilled the beans on the location in a way which guarantees discussion at Town Board, with a Pilot reporter present. Will the location be redacted from that coverage, which is inevitable even if my posts magically disappear from this forum, or were never made in the first place?

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ftpheide 3 years, 3 months ago

Eric is exposing Scottie for what he is! It's a good day!

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rhys jones 3 years, 3 months ago

Now this discussion has degraded into a personal tiff, begging my departure. Look for my reappearance in a current related article. In conclusion I offer only 2 thoughts:

Pot has recently been discovered to be of great use is treating many neural disorders and mental illness. In addition to the many actual, proven medical benefits cited above, and DOT statistics. Yet the only anecdotal or statistical evidence offered against it is "my roommate would go nuts." If you can't handle it, leave it alone, is all I can say. Same thing with driving.

How many people can't handle legal alcohol either? If you miss my point, you either live under a rock, or you are a drunk yourself. I'll take you for a walk through town, any time of day or night, and point out several of our fellow citizens who are killing themselves with the bottle, as we walk. I've lost several friends to it already. How many tax dollars do these legal drunks usurp, with their seizures, detoxes, diabetes, limbs whacked off, and ultimate, inevitable death?

And how many people died, still thinking the world was flat, in the face of mounting and incontrovertible evidence to the contrary?

Have a good day, one and all!! Catch ya on the flip side.

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

@highwaystar:

Please don't go without engaging on the issue I'm trying to bring up for debate -- c'mon, it's been 2 1/2 years since I've posted here! There are several mentions of the "expressed will of Colorado voters" in this thread. But, MMJ narrowly passed in this most-purple of states, by virtue of Colorado's independent swing voters, who are now leaning heavily the other direction -- due to all the abuses of the law going on in plain sight. It's an issue worthy of your prescient insight... and quite separate from one's views of MMJ overall.

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rhys jones 3 years, 3 months ago

To be frank, I care little what the state or nation attempts to regulate in these matters -- I go with my heart, in these very personal decisions. I think I mentioned that the first time I ever truly understood computers, was the first time I ever debugged a program stoned. I have been a believer ever since, in its magical properties, the medical benefits being a side issue, to me. It is not within anybody's right to deny this very basic and harmless pleasure to anyone who desires it. Not to mention the medical benefits. I'm a 55-year-old vet who still looks like he just got off the plane. It ain't done me no harm, except in the police blotter from time to time, and my occasional intentional misuse of the language.

I don't care what anybody thinks, and I've got nothing to hide. I'll 'fess up my former sins; we have seen it here. For my thoughts on how how Colorado is applying it, compared to others, and my utter disregard for the laws as applied, see my comments under the similar, new thread today.

Have a great day, Eric, you make a lot of sense!!

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blue_spruce 3 years, 3 months ago

DR H: I thought the above quote from JJ sums it up pretty nicely: "Sure the medical value can be debated. So can the medical value of any number of drugs prescribed every day at YVMA....". I realize that you are a family man, and probably just want to do the best thing for your children. But you are way off base here - "First, do no harm". A great many people benefit from MMJ. Please don't make them into criminals!

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Brent Boyer 3 years, 3 months ago

JJ: Our reporting on the council's action Tuesday night is accurate. The council did not vote at the end of the meeting against pursuing a potential ban of medical marijuana centers. As our story indicates, the council voted on the various components of the first reading of the revised medical marijuana ordinance. The second reading is scheduled for May 17, which also is when the council will have another discussion of a potential ban.

Thanks, Brent Boyer Editor, Steamboat Pilot & Today 970-871-4221 bboyer@SteamboatToday.com

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sledneck 3 years, 3 months ago

Todays vocabulary word: Autonomy

Live it, love it, protect it. Mine AND yours.

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JJ Southard 3 years, 3 months ago

Brent,

Did you call the council and ask them this?? Because this is not what I saw happen. I will call the council too.

JJ

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JJ Southard 3 years, 3 months ago

The above article is misleading. Nearly encouraging of a ban. The article printed today was much more clear.

The Council, as a majority, DO NOT support a ban.

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Brent Boyer 3 years, 3 months ago

JJ, We did confirm with the council today. It also was my recollection from watching Tuesday's meeting on channel 6 that the council did not take the vote you remember taking place.
The above article, I believe, simply raised the fact that some community leaders are starting to push for a ban, and that was first expressed at Tuesday's council meeting. I think we'll see more of that push in the next month. I had hoped that the sections of the story that referenced that council members were surprised by talk of the ban, and that only two of them expressed potential support of it, helped put the conversation in context.

Thanks, Brent

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JJ Southard 3 years, 3 months ago

Correct Brent.... Yet, at the end of the meeting Cari said, "Are we going to read the ordinance or pursue a ban?? Because it's one or the other." They decided to read the ordinance. Maybe I miss construed that as a vote, but the council, as a majority, decided not to pursue a ban.

Thank you for your explanation.

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JJ Southard 3 years, 3 months ago

That's when she said, "Is the press still here??"....and they had left.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

Not to detract from what everyone else has said since, but I want to get back to Zed first.

So Zed,

Here ya go. First of all, if you're looking to compare the effects of cannabis to the effects that alcohol has on someone, you're not making much headway. Alcohol is hands down WAY more influential on a person's system than cannabis. It's not really even worth the time to debate it.

Secondly, of coarse different people are going to have differing experiences with cannabis, especially their first time around. The bottom line is that despite everyone having to learn their own limits with cannabis(as with most anything in this life), there are absolutely ZERO fatal reprecussions to ingesting more of a dosage than is required to get the job done. Unfortunately, the same can not be said of alcohol, prescription medications, etc... Furthermore, the reason that there is insufficient data on the possible adverse effects of mixing cannabis with whatever else a person might be prescribed by their doctor is that, if you'll recall, cannabis is still federally listed as a schedule 1 narcotic. Therefore, any inquiring scientific mind that wishes to conduct any research on the subject has one hell of a time acquiring test material.

And finally, I have had no problem discussing my medical condition on here before and still don't. When I was a wrestler in high school I suffered a back injury that never quite healed up all that well. I've persued the prescription pain med route to no avail and I've done what minimal therapy that I've been able to afford in the past. Nonetheless, the pain persists. It's rather obvious to me that something is out of alignment back there(no pun intended) and I'm sure that there's a pinched nerve or two, as well. Due in large part to my particular skillset(s), I have difficulty obtaining work that isn't, at least somewhat, physically strenuous. The bottom line is that I'm not fortunate enough to be able to afford the appropiate care for my spine that would most likely aleviate a good portion of my pain. My best working, most economical, option for now is to aleviate my symptoms with a medication that countless thousands of people have used for THOUSANDS of years; you guessed it, cannabis.

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jimmmmmm 3 years, 3 months ago

Good discussion-I'd have to agree with all who say "leave the harmless weed heads alone!"

It seems to me that there's a pretty bad meth, cocaine, and illegal immigration problem in this area that Cap't Joel Rae might want to pursue, instead of wasting our time and money with the harmless weed. The real problems need his focus.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 3 months ago

Eric, You have lied when claiming it is a commercial grow facility for caregivers.

Prepare to eat your words when they move in over the next couple of days. Will you then apologize for publicly posting your false speculations about people you never bothered to ask a single question to them or me prior to posting?

You have a mighty self centered view of the world if you think that you driving along and seeing me turn around is because of you. I can assure you that I was thinking about finding something to fix something, that it might be someplace difference where I just was and was going back to get it. Apparently, everyone else has no problems finding or calling me, but you can assume that I saw you and that I had deduced that you wanted to talk to me the first time in years and was able to walk away faster than you can drive.

If the Town Board wants to bring it up then I will say that I consider it offensive to speculate about people's personal lives.

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JJ Southard 3 years, 3 months ago

Geez Eric...... You & Scott need to figure your crap out somewhere else. Spare us.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

^^^

Zed....mmjPatient22 calling Zed.

Is Zed dead?

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JJ Southard 3 years, 3 months ago

Zed OD'ed on anti-depressants maybe.....prescribed at Yampa Valley Medical Associates for a stomach ache.

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

I have no words to eat. If, at some time in the future, your property and tenants come into compliance with the letter of the law (either by moving in, or displaying proper signange and badges), it won't change the fact that for several days, nothing but plants have lived there, giving every appearance of an optional premises cultivation operation. This was no way to go about setting up a residential growing operation for any purpose, and your assurance that compliance is forthcoming is all folks have to go on, so it'll be believed when it's seen.

I believe it's you who owes apologies to the other property owners around here for having allowed the current situation (only plants living there) to occur with your full knowledge, with no sensitivity towards the other side on this issue -- the callous disregard of the rights of the neighbors to not have this thrown in their faces in a high-profile fashion while the letter of the law is not being followed (growing for personal use means growing where you live -- not across the street, for any amount of time), has generated ill will towards you in this community that I merely report, not incite.

You're a laugh riot, Scott. We had a disagreement one day, big deal, I didn't hold it against you (at the time) and life goes on. Except that for the past two years, in all the dozens upon dozens of times our paths have crossed, my friendly waves, head nods, "Hi, Scott"s and every attempt to be civil with you has gone unreturned, and certainly no such common politenesses have been initiated by you. Kinda goes against the grain of how folks behave towards one another in this county.

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Leslie Faulkner 3 years, 3 months ago

sometimes it just feels so 1950s around here. maybe closer to 1850s? wait, what year is it anyway?

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 3 months ago

I find nothing in the statues stating that marijuana grown for personal use must be grown in the patient's primary residence. It says how many plants a patient may own. It does not limit how many patients may live in a residence.

Thus, since there was nothing wrong with how they moved their stuff in then there is no current violation to be rectified.

Colorado Constitution, Article XVIII, Section 14

(4) (a) A patient may engage in the medical use of marijuana, with no more marijuana than is medically necessary to address a debilitating medical condition. A patient's medical use of marijuana, within the following limits, is lawful: (I) No more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana; and (II) No more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana.

(b) For quantities of marijuana in excess of these amounts, a patient or his or her primary care-giver may raise as an affirmative defense to charges of violation of state law that such greater amounts were medically necessary to address the patient's debilitating medical condition.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

Is there a "beat that horse one more time" room that these guys can bug off to?

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

"I find nothing in the statues stating that marijuana grown for personal use must be grown in the patient's primary residence. It says how many plants a patient may own. It does not limit how many patients may live in a residence."

Perhaps you're right, it looks like Denver's City Council voted to close just that potential loophole for "patients' cooperatives", perhaps Oak Creek should consider doing the same:

"In a vote Monday night of 12-1 Council members adopted a measure to limit households within the City to just twelve plants total, and only two patients per home who must also live in the household."

http://www.johndoeradio.com/cannabis-news/denver-city-council-eliminates-private-cannabis-caregivers-within-city-limits/

Regardless, the building in question still has no human occupants, only plants; unless and until this situation changes, the use of the building has changed -- again, the appearance is that the building has been turned into a dedicated cultivation facility, and this is where the problem with the community lies.

But, perhaps I'm right -- the spirit and intent of HR 10-1284 is to regulate the use of premises dedicated to the cultivation (or sale, or manufacture of infused products) of MMJ. What I'd be worried about if I were you, Scott, is that your full awareness and sanctioning of this use of your building, constitutes exactly the sort of "business for the purpose of cultivation" for which you do not have a permit (why you'd even want to know that federal law is being violated by your tenants, let alone advertise that fact to the whole town, still eludes me).

Like even the MMJ lawyers say, though, Colorado's MMJ laws are poorly written, confusing, and subject to change (or outright repeal). So who knows what's legal anymore. But I can say that abuses like this:

http://www.denverrelief.com/blog/2011/04/06/medical-marijuana-industry-falls-short-at-cannabis-cup/

Are more likely to lead to repeal, than further decriminalization.

http://sensiblecolorado.org/mm/faqs/legal-info/

Notice how all of those bullet points advocate exactly the opposite of what's going on here?

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

Eric-

If you think that the voting masses of any state that currently has medical marijuana legislation are going to be taking steps backwards in their legislative progress, then you're sorely mistaken. Also, what exactly are referring to on that 'sensiblecolorado' link that you posted? There was a huge amount of information on that page.

Boy, it seems like you've got quite the bone to pick with cannabis. Tell us, have you ever been hurt by cannabis?

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

"Boy, it seems like you've got quite the bone to pick with cannabis."

No, I've stated that I'm in favor of decriminalization. The CO MMJ travesty is going to move us back towards prohibition.

"Also, what exactly are referring to on that 'sensiblecolorado' link that you posted?"

Anyone who's been following this thread can tell which points I mean, i.e. not growing your plants for two days without blacking out the windows, so everyone can see what you're up to; the landlord stuff; etc.

"If you think that the voting masses of any state that currently has medical marijuana legislation are going to be taking steps backwards in their legislative progress, then you're sorely mistaken."

Hate to keep bursting your bubble, but:

"The Montana House of Representatives voted Thursday to repeal the state’s six-year-old medical marijuana law."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/us/11marijuana.html

I don't see any mass movement to recall the legislature for overruling the voters' desires, but we'll see.

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

I should note that my last link is outdated; repeal has also passed the Montana Senate, and awaits the Governor's signature. I don't know anything about MT law, in some states legislation is enacted even without the Governor's sig, so I don't know what will happen; just that the deadline for the sig is within days, IIRC.

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Eric J. Bowman 3 years, 3 months ago

"Boy, it seems like you've got quite the bone to pick with cannabis."

The bone I'm picking is Amendment 20, for anyone who hasn't figured that out. Back when it was a ballot measure, I called it poison-pill legislation which would lead to a free-for-all, followed by the inevitable conservative-backlash return to prohibition, and an unwillingness to experiment with decriminalization again until after federal law is changed. Guess where we're at today?

http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-denver/colorado-mmj-laws-up-for-possible-overhaul

Restricting MMJ licenses to property owners is now being debated here. Isn't that what you'd define as a step backwards in the legislative process? The CO news this week is chock-full of brand-new restrictions and prohibitions. How many dispensaries and their associated growing locations are owned, rather than leased?

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freerider 3 years, 3 months ago

COPS = LIARS

Don't believe anything this guy says

they just pull anything they want out of their puny little pea brains

hey Joel

baaaaaa baaaaaaaa baaaaaaa

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

ERIC-

Great news! Looks like we don't have to worry about all those pesky cannabis legislation repeals that were causing you so much paranoia. I guess the Honorable Gov. Schweitzer has decided that repealing any such legislation would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Imagine that. Well, if you need to read it for yourself, here ya go;

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MEDICAL_MARIJUANA_MONTANA?SITE=SCCOL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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freerider 3 years, 3 months ago

Hey Joel

here's some fun little quote's from Harry Anslinger drug czar and pot legislator I'll bet you a million bucks you have no idea why pot is illegal

Hitler would have loved Joel Rae and Harry Anslinger

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

this is why pot is illegal - plus Randolf Hearst he wanted news printed on wood pulp instead of hemp - plus the DuPont family that wanted nylon instead of hemp

Hey Joel look it up you ignorant freaking redneck

HEY JOEL DEATH FROM MARIJUANA EVER = ZERO

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freerider 3 years, 3 months ago

HEY JOEL , FRED . WIGGINS , any local doctors out there ???

COME on jump in on this anytime , let's hear what the redneck pea brains have to say about being racist

cuz that's what's up here ...if you are anti -pot then you support Anslinger and his rascist white rule

baaaa baaaaa

but it's ok to sell lethal meds from your doctor is that it..??

or nicotine & alcohol

I have never attended a marijuana related funeral , all that other crap kills thousands

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 3 months ago

HEY!!!

BOWMAN!!!

Where'd ya go? No comment lately?

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