Routt County Sheriff Gary Wall enters the Routt County Justice Center on Tuesday.  Wall said law firms are unwilling to represent him because they are not sure how they would be paid, and he doesn’t have the money to pay the attorneys fees himself.

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Routt County Sheriff Gary Wall enters the Routt County Justice Center on Tuesday. Wall said law firms are unwilling to represent him because they are not sure how they would be paid, and he doesn’t have the money to pay the attorneys fees himself.

Routt County Sheriff Gary Wall could defend self in suit

Sheriff finds no takers in complicated claim with Routt County

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— Routt County Sheriff Gary Wall might have to represent himself in a civil suit with a law firm and the county commissioners after the sheriff found that no law firms were willing to represent him, he said in court Tuesday.

The Routt County Board of Commissioners, The Law Offices of Ralph A. Cantafio and Wall are involved in a series of claims and counterclaims based around legal fees Wall accrued in a dispute with commissioners about furloughs.

Wall hired the outside lawyer to gain advice about how he could fight the 10 percent countywide pay cut and the furloughs, but commissioners, citing state statute, decided they would not allow him to use county funds to pay for the fees. After they sent a letter stating their position to Wall and Cantafio, bills continued to pile up for about $13,000, and they increased to $16,000 by the time the case went before a judge. The fee continues to accrue interest, Cantafio firm attorney Reed Morris said.

County Attorney John Merrill said the county first filed a claim with the court, and a judge urged Cantafio to file suit against the sheriff to claim its fee. The law office filed against the Routt County Sheriff’s Office instead of Wall as an individual and then the Sheriff’s Office filed a cross-claim against the county commissioners to force them to pay the bill. In response, Merrill, acting for the commissioners, filed yet another cross-claim that also included Wall as an individual.

From that web, Wall now will have to either hire a private attorney or represent himself. He said law firms are unwilling to represent him because they are not sure how they would be paid, and he doesn’t have the money to pay the attorneys fees himself.

Wall said he should be allowed to pay the bill from the annual line-item budget for legal fees, and he had about $28,000 in the budget for the year. Merrill said the county is looking to revised statute 30-2-104. In the annotations of that law, it states that the county commissioners have the authority to set salaries. It also states that in the case of litigation about compensation or classification, the costs of the litigation instituted by an elected official shall be paid out of the county general fund.

Wall was involved in litigation regarding the furloughs, however.

Wall opposed the furloughs because he said the department could not adequately provide for public safety, and he said he had questions about the budgeting process.

Merrill said the county paid and continues to pay other legal fees that directly relate to the running of the office, including legal advice about how to serve documents and to defend against any claims against the Sheriff’s Office.

“If the same situation came up tomorrow, I would have to do the same thing,” Wall said.

Lawyers in the case next will convene before a judge Jan. 7, but the case and possible trial could last for months.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

In the end, because of an elitist Sheriff and his lawsuit, we the people will be left with the bill for this sham.

Vote Wall out and save us the cost and embarrassment of the rest of this man's indiscretions.

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

Now here a clue:If no law firms will represent you it's because you don't have a case! Wall refuses to learn. "If the same situation came up tomarrow, I would do the same thing." Pay your own bills Wall!

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tcb 4 years, 2 months ago

Nobody to blame for this but us voters, folks. He was voted in because the "sheep" of Routt County bought into Wall's garbage and lies. He knew NOTHING about being a law enforcement officer, and STILL knows nothing about it. He's a joke and a pathetic embarassment to this County. He needs to be stuck paying for his own bills....even if he isn't re-elected. His kind of arrogance needs to be rewarded with paying the attorney's fees. See ya, Wall!! Now..that being said, I'm not voting for Wiggins either. Time for a write-in!

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

It would be kinda fun watching Wall trying to defend himself. He likes to lose his temper alot. In court he would have to answer questions instead of dodging them. I'm sure a judge would put him in his place.

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

Correct my first blog . It should read " now here is a clue". Sorry about that- I got ahold of some bad coffee.

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exduffer 4 years, 2 months ago

How does the old saying go? A man who represents himself as a fool and our money are soon parted.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

Well, so apparently no one noticed that Cantafio didn't file against Wall, but against the Sheriff's office, the Sheriff's office filed against the county commissioners and the county filed against Wall.

If Cantafio was only interested in collecting a bill then they would have filed against Wall.

I suspect there is a good reason Cantafio filed as he did. I think we will hear a lot more about this and the paper could be informative if they could find a legal analyst to explain the tactics being employed.

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bandmama 4 years, 2 months ago

ex- well, if the shoes fit.... I think it is sad that Gary never got his wenches on his cars, maybe he could use one to pull out of this little bump in his road to where ever he thinks he is going. If it weren't for the fact that yes, we probably will end up paying for this, it would be amusing. I am wondering though, are these ALL about just the furloughs? Wasn't there at some point a question over who would pay some of his fees for his own little Whoops-a-daisy? And yes I may be wrong but seem to recall that he tried to get us to pay for some of that too, out of his budget of course!!!!

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bandmama 4 years, 2 months ago

And this is the dog that chased the cat that ate the rat that ate the malt that lay in the house that Jack built. Scott-maybe, just maybe Cantafio knew where he may be able to collect something for his services. Just a thought.

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bandmama 4 years, 2 months ago

have to give him credit though for wearing that tie to court. WOOOW-ZA!!!!

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

Scott, Wall hired an outside lawyer to gain advice. A judge urged Mr. Cantafio to file suit against the sheriff to claim his fees. Not the sheriffs office. Mr. Cantafio is only interested in collecting money owed to him. Wall apparently can't or will not pay. His client is a flake! Mr. Cantafio needs to get a judgement against Wall and garnish his wages before Wall becomes unemployed. Hurry!

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

ftp, If that was the case then Cantafio could have fled against Wall directly, or at least named Wall and the Sheriff's office. It appears Cantafio has a larger strategy because he did not file against Wall directly.

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sledneck 4 years, 2 months ago

Cantafio's strategy is to be a money suckin ambulance chaser. Special place for him in the afterlife... right near the boiler room. I'm glad he's makin Walls' life tough but I only wish there was a way they could both lose!

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Tommie Belz 4 years, 2 months ago

One would think the "Sheriff" could budget his personal finances more efficiently. Break it you buy it, Gary! Wall is going to tangle the County up in law suit after law suit, how else will he make the front page after he's GONE! Sept., Oct., NOVEMEBER 2!!!!!!! I'm keeping my eye on the Police blotter as of November 3. It should read something like this: RCSO/SSPD/CSP were called to mile marker 55 (is that about Oak Creek) for a report of a drunk driver, the vehicle, a white pickup truck with Sheriff Wall for Sheriff signs hanging out of the back. Hey Wall, need money for a hair cut?

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Queenie 4 years, 2 months ago

First: You are all assuming the newspaper got the facts straight (my info. says no). Second: Maybe Wall and Cantafio are buddies...it's a thought...just sayin.

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aichempty 4 years, 2 months ago

Okay, now that all the "experts" with an axe to grind about Wall (sour grapes from people who lost jobs in the RCSO after Wall took over) have weighed in, here's how it really works.

An elected official who relies upon the advice of a licensed attorney in good faith generally cannot be held personally liable for damages resulting from his actions in following the attorney's advice. Attorneys who give bogus advice contrary to accepted laws are subject to a suit for damages, however.

The annotation in the statute represents a binding precedent of the Colorado appellate courts, meaning that the cost of litigation regarding personnel matters may reasonably be claimed against the county general fund even if this specific situation has not come up before. That's why it's in court now; to decide the outcome of a "new" situation related to a standing precedent.

Wall can represent himself as a private person only, not in his official capacity as an elected official. The only legal entity that a non-attorney can legally represent in court is himself, and no one else, and certainly not the office of the Routt County Sheriff. The only thing he needs to claim personally is that he relied upon the advice given to him by Mr. Cantafio.

Mr. Cantafio's claim is that he gave lawful advice, and is entitled to payment for his services. If the trial finds that his advice was not lawful, then he gets stuck holding the bill.

It is the duty of the county attorney to represent the RCSO, but he also has a duty to represent the County government. The Sheriff has a duty to protect the people of the county. Wall argued rightfully that an across-the-board reduction in personnel by the County would affect public safety. The intractable members of the County Commission who insisted on RCSO cuts are responsible for the controversy, and should have known in the beginning they would be stuck with the bill in the end if they insisted on creating a legal controversy that would end up in court.

The problem here is that the Sheriff is an elected official who does not answer to the County Commissioners.

In the past, the County Commission has spent money needlessly (funding the so-called "justice center," for example) and wasted taxpayer dollars which should have been conserved to protect the public safety in lean times. Sales tax deficiencies don't remove the need for law enforcement, fire protection, ambulance service, etc.

Our biggest problem is that the laws assume everyone acts in good faith, when clearly, they do not. That's why this thing is in court, and I'm glad we've got a sheriff with the tenacity to fight for public safety instead of kowtowing to the Commission.

Wall has not done everything right. This one, however, he's doing right.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

LOL.

We have all been awake and were here when Wall went on his whining campaign against the budget cuts that effected all County Employees. His actions alone are the cause of this mess and I think Queenie is on to something, why sue a buddy when they can make the people pay for it? Our axes will be ground in the voting booth.

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

aich, We all know that you are a supporter of Wall. If one of your neighbors leaves a footprint in your snow - the sheriff office will send someone out to take your complaint and speak with the neighbor. Wall can't get an attorney to defend him! That speaks volumes!
For the record I've never worked at the SO therefore I was never fired by the SO. My dislike for Wall is do to his lack of professionalism and accountability.

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aichempty 4 years, 2 months ago

The law clearly says that the County must pay costs of litigation out of the general fund. IF they are refusing to do so, then that's the reason for the lack of representation. It's all a political game.

So sorry if it offends you or anyone who works for the county, but there are "essential" positions and "non-essential" positions. Nobody else cuts across the board and the loss of an admin person in a county office is not the same as the loss of a patrol officer or a jailer. You can wait in line to get a copy of a deed, but do you want to wait in line for a police officer to respond to a 911 call?

Be real. I don't "support" Wall. I like what he has done for us. Support in this town is a Teddy Bear placed next to the fence where somebody died. A track record of making things better FOR PEOPLE instead of brown-nosing the commission is the thing that counts.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

How did he make things better? Some examples please. The controversy that has surrounded this man from day one, is that better? He is the dang Sheriff, he was voted in as a lawman and he broke one of the big laws, though shall not drink and drive and especially carry a firearm while drinking. Sorry, them is the facts whether people think he was set up or not.

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

If the law states the county must pay the cost of litigation out of the general fund- it's just a statement as to which fund to use. The question is the validity of this litigation. Is this a taxpayers expense? This is why Wall can't find an attorney to work with him. He doesn't have a case. No one could ever accuse Wall of brown-nosing but they can accuse him of being inexperienced and difficult. I really don't feel we have a shortage of deputies. Even if a few were furloughed maybe the remaining ones would have something to do!

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aichempty 4 years, 2 months ago

Okay, sookie, you have a danged short memory.

Not being told that violations of the law which occur on county-owned roads are a "civil matter" was a huge quality of life improvement change which relieved scores of county residents from the continual drone of kids on dirt bikes and 4-wheelers, spraying dust into the air on each high-speed pass down the gravel roads. Not having to keep the windows closed to keep the dust from these pests from blowing into the house and settling on the furniture was a big improvement. Being able to phone the RCSO and have a deputy mediate a dispute among neighbors was a huge improvement.

As long as we're here, somebody complained above that Wall is "not a police officer." Thank God for that! He's a PEACE officer. Maybe the mutual support which cops provide for each other against citizens they consider troublesome is a "police officer" priority, but those of us who have reached out for help or tried to help the police do their jobs in the past and hit a stone wall prefer the "peace officer" approach.

There are counties in other states where the murder rate is 2 or 3 per day. Sure, I can see how the cops would feel like they were living in a war zone, and not blame them a bit for an "us versus them" attitude. It's not like that around here, however, and I think the total number of shots fired in anger by anyone (citizens and cops) around here in the past 18 years is something like, what, five? Some guy down by the river fired off a couple of random shots, and the infamous Hell's Angels invasion resulted in a shot or two, but when is the last time a Routt County officer actually fired his weapon in the line of duty?

The only reason people are complaining about Gary Wall is that they want Garret Wiggins to be elected. I fail to see how that would be an improvement, given both their records. You have no idea how great it is here compared to other towns of similar size in less affluent counties. Wiggins might run a tighter ship, but who needs a Navy? We live on the white-trash love boat where kids drink and use pot and the occasional DUI related injury is as bad as it gets.

I put a lot of time and effort into analyzing the Steamboat 700 annexation issues, and I hope that some of the information I posted helped people make an informed decision. I did that because I am a public-spirited citizen who thought we were all about to get screwed by a development project that would have cost the citizens a bundle with no benefit to the current population. I didn't get a cent for it, nor make a cent because of it. Gary Wall comes across as a person who cares about other people, not his brothers in blue. That's why I'm afraid that things could back to the old days, and Wiggins has not come out and said anything to make me believe that it won't happen.

I'm begging you, Garret. Convince me.

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bandmama 4 years, 2 months ago

aich- please let me clarify, I am not complaining about Wall because I want Wiggins. I am complaining because Wall made a mockery of the laws we elected him to uphold. Quite plainly, quite clearly he did. And please, if you know of some, besides your own personal things he made better for you, please do give some examples of what he has made better for the public on the whole, you know, the rest of us? Thank you!

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tcb 4 years, 2 months ago

seeuski- i've been asking for AGES for someone to tell me just how wall has made things better, too. good luck...don't hold your breath waiting. i've been waiting a long time. aich uses his same old tired "me me me" example to tell us just how much better it has been for HIM, but never anything that tells us how it's been better for US. aich, what specific county-owned road is it that you keep referring to in your case?

i think both candidates are ridiculous and unelectable. "gary wall comes across as a person who cares about other people, not his brothers in blue." huh? explain the care he has shown to anyone other than himself. how did that whole "conspiracy" thing work out for ol' gary? how did public safety suffer from the furloughs at the sheriff's department? look around the country and see the waves of deputies laid off in some large counties. how is routt county different? how many deputies got laid off in the furloughs? the answer is NONE. they all lost 10% of their money to begin with as their furlough.

the voters of this county complain about wall, not because they want wiggins elected, but because wall has done nothing....unless you count breaking the law(DWAI). if that counts, then he is a WINNER!!!!!! ding ding ding!

wall needs out and wiggins doesn't need in. write in bosick if we can!!

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trump_suit 4 years, 2 months ago

The really funny thing here is that Wall is probably correct if thats what the legal fees were about. The Colorado Statutes clearly separate the Sheriff's office from direct control of the County I am not trying to support Sheriff Wall's personal failings but he is most likely correct in this situation if this is truly about the furlough and budgetary issues.

What is not correct here is that the Sheriff has completely refused to release any of those itemized bills and if we the citizens are responsible for paying them then we also have a right to see them. So which is it Sheriff, DUI advice, or Budget advice? Your public wants to know.

Will all of you naysayers dog on the county officials for follishly fighting this if they were in fact wrong?

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

Wall hired a outside attorney to "gain advice" about how he could fight the 10% county wide pay cut and furloughs. During a recession. You can get advice from the best attorney in Steamboat for $75.00 for a 30 minute conference. What he should have done, with the advice given to him, was to use it to debate with the county commisioners. Instead he acquires a $13,000.00 legal bill. His attorney charged him for over 50 hours of advice! Sledneck gave us advice about his attorney for free! When the tax payers are footing the bills, someone that runs "a tight ship" is very important! Wall hasn't a clue! How can we afford to keep being responsible for him ???????

aich- "footprints in the snow". Come up with a real accomplishment for Wall. You consider where you live to be a "white trash love boat"? I'll bet your neighbors appreciate that remark. I'm sure the voters were capable of making their decisions on the 700 annexation without your opinion. It's hard to believe you weren't paid. The information you want from Garrett, as you know, is of public record. You know where to find it.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

@tcb, You took the words right out of my mouth in your first paragraph(me me me)LOL, but I have to disagree with you on Wiggins. To me this is not so much a political choice as much as it is a choice between two men and who best to properly serve as our Sheriff. While I have never spoken personally to Wall I have spent time talking to Wiggins, I was there when an angry local confronted him on some issue and I was impressed with how he remained courteous and listened to the mans beef and then answered as best he could. I have seen him at several functions around town where there was liquor served and he drank none. To me this would be the man I want to keep the "PEACE" that aichybreaky spoke of, not a lush that claims, the beatch done set me up. Or some dust catcher. Bottom line is that our laws MUST be respected by our lawmen for them to be respected by our fellow citizens. No excuses.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

What has Wall done to make things better?

How about ending stupid and vindictive cases? The dept previously employed investigators that told the people they were prosecuting that it was personal and even after losing in court then made public statements promising further investigation. Remember that stupid Stagecoach condo management case that was criminally prosecuted?

Since the Sheriff's dept has pulled out of GRAMNET, there have been none of the moronic personal use drug busts by the Sheriff's dept that was all too common previously.

Wall has nearly 10 times as many employees as Wiggins in ACET, but has had fewer issues with bad officers. Wall did not have an external investigation that found fault management practices.

And despite all of the predictions of mass resignations and no one willing to work for Wall resulting in out of control criminals by Wiggins supporters prior to the previous election, law enforcement has be fine under Wall.

You may not like Wall and may choose to vote for Wiggins, but you are blind if you cannot see any improvements in the Sheriff's dept under Wall.

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tcb 4 years, 2 months ago

Scott, don't blame the sheriff's department for the condo case. if the da didn't want to push it forward they wouldn't have. so, are you saying that personal use of drugs is okay vs. what? distribution? manufacturing? the sheriff's department tried to do their own marijuana growing case and totally screwed it up. maybe the reason there aren't any drug busts is because they are inept?

fewer issues with bad officers? let's see.....one fired for stalking some lady at a gas station in ft. collins, another fired for shooting a gun off in the sheriff's department, another fired due to ridiculous/constitutionally unsound arrests and behavior, another fired for unethical behavior...the list continues. i think wall's issues surpass wiggins.

how many people have left the department since wall took over? just what was this "healthy attrition" wall was talking about? maybe "healthy attrition" means getting rid of people in an election year?

so, call me blind but i still don't see how it's better. been asking for a long time for concrete answers to that question and still no takers.

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bandmama 4 years, 2 months ago

LOL! Sort of speaks volumes that it took nearly two days for anyone to come up with ANYTHING positive (?) that the man has done since being elected.

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Tommie Belz 4 years, 2 months ago

@tcb...Bosick is out, simple as that. He can't be written in, he lost in the primary election and that is that. The clerk verified this for me.

There are pro's and con's to each candidate in every election. We have two candidates on the ballot, get out and learn the facts.

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tcb 4 years, 2 months ago

....And let's not leave out that 3 of wall's employees were using county resources to run their own, personal business. nothing changed with that until it was an election year.

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

Scott, How about the moronic" personal use" drug bust that took place in South Routt in Dec. of 2009. They had two large moronic swat teams enter homes illegally - with force! They had no "probable cause" and violated their victums constitutional and civil rights!! All this took place at the tax payers expense! Wall has no idea what his deputies do at night. There isn't any supervision! None of their moronic deeds go through dispatch to be recorded. They use cell phones! Wall has alot of bad officers. He even hires people, that were released from other agencies, due to their bad habits. He likes these people because they know alot more then he does! Wall hasn't had any investigations (external/internal) because he is the one that stirs up investigations. While Wiggins is doing his job - Wall is trying to start trouble! Why didn't they do an internal investigation when the SO screwed up it's one and only drug bust??? Why didn't Wall get rid of Cruzon the "non-investigating" investigator. How about Klinger- making false statements to the newspaper! You want to talk about harrassing people- these South Routt citizens were harassed, by the deputies, until the DA"s office advised the Sheriff office that they had 'screwed up!" There are no improvements that Wall has made. Due to his inability to admitt to his mistakes there never will be!

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

Clare, Thanks for getting verification on Nick's status for us. Mama, You kinda like that "speaks volumes" huh?

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Tommie Belz 4 years, 2 months ago

@tcb, big plans after the election, ranch hand out west? @ftp, if Wall sticks his head in the sand it never really happened.

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bandmama 4 years, 2 months ago

ftp- "volume" is in my blood! LOL! ("this amp goes to 11!!!") and 12, and so on! I do need to point out that there are good people serving as dep's in the dept. They have families to support and need their jobs. So, that aside. There have been many instances of misuse of the taxpayers time=money by others that are on the Wall Wagon. I simply find it...distasteful that the person we elected (I use the term "we", loosely) simply broke the law, tried to get the people working for him to let him go, tried to blame it on his girlfriend and then tried to call employees into the picture and lie, and was found guilty by a jury of his peers, yup folks that would be the citizens and neighbors that live with us, and in this county. We were still invited to pay for the legal fees. I would have had some semblance of respect for the man had he stood up, said he made an error in judgement and tried to make something positive as an example for the people (ahhhh like the young-uns who laughed and now feel that with the right conections and legal representation they can get away with anything as per example set by our sherriff). Let's face it we all make errors in judgements, IE: mistakes. It is how we make ammends and handle those errors that glean respect and or a positive future, Wall did nothing but make a mockery of of this office. And lets face it, we live live in a LARGE county with a sparse population. We have to depend on this office and the employees who are responsible for our safety and well being. With the exception of a few good men/women I really dont feel confident that affairs would be handled correctly.

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aichempty 4 years, 2 months ago

Okay, I've give real-life examples of small things that the RCSO has done to make life better in our neighborhoods which the previous administration completely ignored, and shoved back at us to solve at our own considerable expense.

What has Wiggins done? Nothing he has taken the trouble to lay out for us in detail. I suspect someone smart enough to do the math straightened him out and enlightened him to the fact that convicting all but two of the people ACET arrested is not a 98% conviction record. What did each of his convictions cost the taxpayers?

Wall fired people who were idiots and deserved firing. They are gone. He did it himself when problems were discovered. He failed in being able to predict the future and know that these people would commit misconduct.

Wiggins worked closely with officers who diverted government law enforcement funds and equipment to personal use and pleasure. He also failed to predict or detect what was going on until a lot of time that should have been spent on drug enforcement and solving "all crimes" was wasted. It took people from outside his agency to solve the problems.

Until you have a need for police protection, ask for it, and don't get it, you won't understand what Wall's RCSO has done for us.

It's still not perfect. Wall doesn't have an investigator smart enough to understand economic crimes against homeowners perpetrated using the state court system, and gosh, that's because he doesn't understand that judges also regularly break the law. I can show him the paperwork. I have shown them the paperwork, and they shake their heads, and realize they are too dumb to understand what's going on, so they go back to what they know; restraining orders and traffic tickets.

There has been progress under Gary Wall. That gives me hope.

Give me some hope, Garret. Tell us something other than you want to be sheriff and the county commission will like you better because you don't make waves.

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

aich, Your valor in sticking up for the investigator is touching. You don't know anything about that case. Now you are calling the judge dishonest because you don't like the fact the case was dismissed. The SO knew January 7, 2010 that they had broken the law by entering those two homes. The DA tried to protect them for several months, after this date, by refusing to dismiss the case.
Your correct- the SO, under sheriff Wall, should stick with restraining orders and traffic tickets. Wiggins hasn't been sheriff yet, so how can you compare their records when they hold two totaly different jobs?

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Tommie Belz 4 years, 2 months ago

tcb, aich, & ftp, you three should should meet for coffee...

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aichempty 4 years, 2 months ago

ftb,

FYI, I was writing about a completely different case. How about them apples? Could it be that I've actually been right and now you all are seeing it come up in different cases? Sounds like some kind of conspiracy to me. You must be nuts.

How does it feel?

The investigator I wrote about was approached directly by an attorney on behalf of himself and scores of other home owners, and yes, being too dumb to understand that a white-collar crime has been going on for years is a real problem around here. When you use the power of the state to coerce payment of money that people don't lawfully owe, that's a crime. It's as evil, criminal and fraudulent as faking an injury and suing somebody to collect money.

ftp, I think you are idealistic and would like to have a law-abiding and heroic law enforcement agency out there making things right for all of us. So would I. The difference is that I know how it really works and the things you assume to be true are not. You are very lucky not to have the personal experience of finding out just how screwed up things can be.

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

aich, In what year did that wrong doing, that has been haunting you, occur? Was it involving a developer of a subdivision in North Routt? Was it sheriffs Warner's investigator that your angry with or Wall's. Which one was to dumb to understand what you were trying to tell them? "Idealistic" - I don't think so. It would be nice not to have a sheriff that didn't have a "record". If his deputies were supervised that would be a plus. The Steamboat's police chief can run a "tight ship" and have the respect of the citizens why can't the sheriff? It's great the SO patrols North Routt. We never see them in South Routt. There have been some damaged vehicles off the roads for days. One would think they would find them eventually! It's kinda a joke up here. We figure after the snow falls the snowplow drivers will call them in!

Scott It's great your such a supporter of Wall. Is it the sheriff office you call if you have a problem in your neighborhood or is it the city police?

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jk 4 years, 2 months ago

ftp, Wiggins is not the chief of police, nor does he run a tight ship or have the respect of a majority of the citizens!! So what does that have to do with anything??

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John Fielding 4 years, 2 months ago

. I'm getting in a little late on this one, just a few observations.

If no attorney will take a case it is not due to the merits of the case, reasonable attorneys represent people who are clearly guilty but still benefit from having legal counsel. It is as the article stated, the uncertainty of payment that keeps them away.

In fact around here busting people for minor possession and use is a very low priority. In that it is similar to most other states and even unofficial but publicly stated national policy.

The deputies that were fired deserved to be fired. Would another sheriff have kept them on?

Wall or his deputies have called to apologize for overzealous (jackass) behaviors to two people I know, and many more I would guess.

Wall got busted driving after drinking. His recourse was to use the legal means to minimize his sentence. Every person I know who has faced similar charges has done the same thing. Still many including my wife will never forgive that offense. I believe in forgiving especially when no harm was done, and often when there is, with restitution and repentance. We do not elect role models to set an example for our behavior. What he did was unwise but not reprehensible.

Walls challenge to the commission was the right thing to do as an independently elected official. The way he did it may have been inexpert and expensive, for that price the lawyers should have handled the whole affair, maybe they did. If the bill is really all for that service, it should be properly disclosed and the paid by the county. If the bill is for something else both the Sheriff and the attorney have some serious answering to do.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

John this is meant lightly but I would listen to the lady of the house on this one.

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

jk, I never stated Wiggins was chief of police. J.D. Hays is and has been for years. I think you read that incorrectly. John, I agree with your wife. Many powerful people, in political offices, have lost their positions due to breaking the law. Their didn't seem to be any repentance on Wall's part. Just denial! We do elect role models. Hopefully everyone votes for intelligence and integrity. It seems to me that the "prevailing party" can ask for payment of legal fees. An attorney would have to believe Wall had a strong case to accept him as a client.

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

In the October 6th "Today" Wall states,"the entire patrol division is now Swat Certified" Aren't these actions what people feared would happen if Wiggins was elected?

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aichempty 4 years, 2 months ago

Why would a law-abiding person oppose SWAT training for police officers?

Are you supporting Wiggins because he either gives pot users a pass, or has proven so easy to fool that he's not a threat? Which one would that be?

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jk 4 years, 2 months ago

ftp, " The Steamboat's police chief can run a "tight ship" and have the respect of the citizens why can't the sheriff?" I read it fine. I was just trying to figure out what this statement had to do with anything?? Everyone knows Wiggins hasn't run a tight ship, nor does he have the respect of most people in this town! I haven't heard of the CBI having to investigate the sheriff's dept. The only thing I can guess is you are on the payroll?

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ftpheide 4 years, 2 months ago

jk, I'm glad you "read it fine". Do you know the S.O. jurisdiction is in the county? Where is "this town" that you referred to? Did you interview the townspeople to obtain this information or is this just your opinion? There is alot of support for Garrett in the county. These are the people he will be working with. The county is huge! If you can find someone that will put me on their payroll - let me know!

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