Chuck McConnell: Baumgardner's Arizona trip

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To all of the open border advocates, I have a couple of simple questions:

■ 1. What part of the sign erected in Arizona by our federal government that reads, (among other dire proclamations): “Visitors May Encounter Armed Criminals and Smuggling Vehicles Traveling at High Rates of Speed,” does not warn of a clear and present danger to Arizona citizens? Do you want a safer life for your family and your fellow Americans?

■ 2. How is a state law designed to protect Arizona citizens against kidnapping, home invasion, burglary and murder — especially a law written to mirror federal law — twisted to be unconstitutional or bad? Do we as Americans have a right to protect ourselves from serious danger?

Our current federal administration is unwilling to effectively secure our border with Mexico. Perennially promised fences, meaningful additions to personnel and sophisticated electronic surveillance devices have not materialized.

The token steps recently taken by the president are a cruel joke to the people of Arizona and will not add in any material way to their safety or security. His action certainly will not mitigate the budget gap created by the services provided to illegal residents. Arizona’s elected officials and law enforcement desperately are seeking some immediate help.

It took real courage for state Rep. Randy Baumgardner to travel at his own personal expense to see firsthand the problems on our southern border.

Further, when he speaks of possible legislation here, I think he is unmistakably aware of the cost to Coloradans of the illegal aliens that make their way here via the border states. This cost has manifested itself in a projected gap in the upcoming Colorado state budget for which the myriad likely solutions will necessarily require reduced services to our legal residents.

More than 60 percent of Amer­­icans believe that increased border security is critical. When a majority of Americans agree on an issue as basic as citizen safety, I believe strong, positive actions by our representatives is not grandstanding, but absolutely fundamental to the job of government.

Isn’t this what we want our elected officials to be — informed, educated firsthand, and willing to tackle tough issues facing our communities? If Rep. Baumgardner’s level of personal commitment to one of the most critical issues in our government today constitutes a “political leverage” attempt in his critic’s opinion, wouldn’t you ask yourselves what it might take to merit action and serious personal attention for tough issues on the part of these critics?

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beentheredonethat 4 years, 2 months ago

I know who I would like to send into the Arizona desert.

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hereandthere 4 years, 2 months ago

Time for this cowboy to ride off into the sunset.

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BoatNative 4 years, 2 months ago

Here is the problem with his trip, Chuck:

  1. Colorado is NOT a border state. We may have a significant illegal population but to put in place a law like Arizona's here does not make sense and would significantly distract resources (money, police, etc.) from other crucial duties.

  2. The AZ law and Gov. Brewer have become such firebrands for the the Republican and Tea parties that Randy's attempt to get a cheap "photo-op" by getting his name next to these ideas is obvious. It is so crassly political that it should make many HD57 residents sick.

Yes, we need to reform our immigration system - on the federal level. I will say right now that any legislation that Colorado GOP members file will NOT pass. They probably won't even file it because after the election, there is no opportunity to score political points anymore. Randy may care about immigration but if he was going to take a serious effort to reform it, he should know that AZ is not CO.

Can we get a real State Rep. now?

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

Well Chuck, you have just heard from some in the minority and now someone from the more than 60% category will pipe in.

The added expense that BoatNative claims to be a waste is the best they can come up with because in every jurisdiction where States implemented laws to deal with the illegal immigrant problem those States budgets have benefited, either illegals steer clear or they are dealt with appropriately reducing the burden to the taxpayers. Secondly, new laws are not needed to deal with illegal immigration, just a Federal Government that uses the laws in place and does the job that over 60% of the US Citizens are demanding. That is why the November elections are so important here in Colorado and all over the Country. Drain the swamp of do nothing bureaucrats and replace them with Representatives who will use the laws to achieve the intended results.

Randy Baumgardner has exhibited the kind of leadership we want in our elected officials as it pertains to the protection of the Economic and personal freedoms and the rights of the Citizens of Colorado. Not for rights of foreign invaders who seek benefits paid for by the US Taxpayer. We can't afford that.

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trump_suit 4 years, 2 months ago

Looks to me like Randy Baumgardner in Arizona is alot like Undersheriff Bustos in Vernal. Both are outside their jurisdiction at taxpayer expense.

In this time of budget crisis and deficeits did we really need to spend the money for our representative to have a photo op in Arizona?

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Jeff_Kibler 4 years, 2 months ago

"... state Rep. Randy Baumgardner to travel at his own personal expense ... "

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beentheredonethat 4 years, 2 months ago

to seeuski...hey bonehead, you proudly lay claim to being in the majority of 60%. If memory serves me right, that is about the majority that was in favor of going into Iraq, which ended up killing thousands of american's finest and drained trillions of tax dollars that could have been spent more wisely. thanks bonehead.

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Chuck McConnell 4 years, 2 months ago

Wow,

Comments reduced to "intellicutal" -- crass name calling. When logic and reason fail, call your counterparty a name.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

The usual left wing tactic Chuck.

Code Pinker's know no other way when confronted with reality. The goofball falsifies the amount spent on Iraq and would most likely hope that Saddam Hussein were back in the saddle where he could continue his butchery of his own people and the support of worldwide terrorism that was his trade mark.

I guess when we liberated Iraq and the Iraqi people rejoiced throughout that country they were overcome by insanity in their showing of gratitude towards America for the sacrifice of our blood and treasure in the cause. Just for the sake of giving the blind vision, here is a list of the former dictators accomplishments that we put a stop to. http://www.husseinandterror.com/

I for one still see and believe that we saved thousands and possibly millions of lives by exterminating that cockroach.

The Iraqi people have an opinion on our troop presence. http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2010/08/poll-of-iraqis-shows-that-majority-do.html

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sledneck 4 years, 2 months ago

The entire muslim world has an opinion on our presence in Iraq as well as our presence in the rest of the islamic world. That opinion was made perfectly clear on September 11 2001.

I am sure America made Iraq a better place. I am sure we saved many lives. However, it was not, is not and will NEVER be our duty or responsibility to right the worlds wrongs whether all at once or one nation at a time. Why are we policing the world when our own house is on fire?

"He can't even run his own life, I'll be damned if he'll run mine sunshine." Probably heard around more than 1 taliban campfire.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

sled, If Saddam Hussein had a hand in attacks against this Country and the deaths of innocent Americans would going to war against Iraq be a worthy response?

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sledneck 4 years, 2 months ago

A really great book on why we are going to lose the war on terror is "Imperial Hubris" by Michael Scheuer.

Here are a couple quotes: "So the case is easy, America will not be able to leave this ordeal unless it leaves the Arabian peninsula and stops its involvement in Palestine, and in all the Islamic world. If we gave this equation to any child in an American school he would easily solve it within a second..." Osama bin Laden

"The Americans are facing a delicate situation in both countries. If they withdraw they lose everything and if they stay they will continue to bleed to death". Ayman al-Zawahiri

He has another book comming out first of the year that will probably be the best book ever on bin Laden.

If this nations leaders don't soon learn how those people think we're toast. They WILL get a nuke in sooner or later.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

I am fully aware of Mr. Scheuer and I am aware of his antipathy towards Israel. Quoting warnings from terrorist leaders just shows the depths to which he goes to influence the public with his ideals. Just let the Jews face the fire and leave is what he, and apparently you, believe will answer the problem of Jihad that the world faces. The problem with this argument is that there was Muslim jihad towards the west and infidels long before there was a State called Israel. How does one explain the attack in Bali? Or other such attacks?

The Muslim Brotherhood manifesto, which I have posted in these forums, lays it out as to why they do what they do and what their motivations are, and Israel is not the cause. There cause is hundreds of years old and propaganda like that which you quoted is part of the tactics of jihad.

This mindset falls right in line with those who support Ron Paul and why I never could.

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sledneck 4 years, 2 months ago

We don't need to remain in Afghanistan and Iraq for a decade to be an ally of Israel.

I totally support Ron Paul, Rand Paul and any other "paul" who would get America out of other nations' business.

If Sadam had a hand in it send in 7 navy seals and ventilate his cranium. A $3 million operation that takes 2 weeks tops.

There should be ONLY 2 possibilities for any nation that is part of attacking America: 1.Your nation, with all its oil, etc becomes the 51st state of America or 2. Your nation glows in the dark for a thousand years.

No American politician has the stones to do that and bin Laden knows it. Way more perilous is that China knows it too.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

Blaming Israel for the 9/11 attacks and the subsequent wars you speak of is another tactic of the Scheuers of the world, what the heck blame the Jews they make great scapegoats, Ahmadenejad did it yesterday.

Otherwise, I agree with some of your thoughts regarding response to those who harm the US.

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sledneck 4 years, 2 months ago

I favor strong American support of Israel.

Iran is another example of how we are weak and the world knows it. Talk is cheap; it takes money to buy whisky. They like nukes so much? Nuke em into the stone age or shut-up. Instead what do we do? Bla bla bla bla.

It's not that we should never ACT. It's that we should act DECISIVELY and IMMEDIATELY or we should stay out of it. Make-believe tough in the middle of the road never works.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

We are in agreement, thanks for the clarity and now onto the more pressing issue, the Globalization of America by the Progressives and their newly discovered guide map which it seems Obama is fast tracking. I have read the summary and the proof of this being a Progressive agenda is the constant references to Global Warming, which has been debunked by the non affiliated in the science community and the leaking of the East Anglia e-mails proving deceit.

http://www.dni.gov/nic/PDF_2025/2025_Global_Trends_Final_Report.pdf

Freaky stuff. We must vote for Americans who are not Progressive Globalists bent on the "fundamental transformation" of the USA to a de-developed 3rd world Country. They are spreading our wealth, as we speak, to the East.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

Sees, The National Intelligence Council's report on global trends is proof of what?

It would appear that you suggested that is proof of Obama's anti-American policies.

Wow! Our intelligence agencies must really be good because they observed similar trends when Bush was in office. So back they knew anti-american Obama was going to be elected President?

Freaky stuff.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

Bury your head in the sand deeper Scott, maybe we will get a racially mixed ski jump to satisfy you while you ignore reality.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

Here is something for the record. Sharia law exposed.

WARNING: The video above is graphic, and beyond disturbing. It is footage of a woman dying under a barrage of stones. But it must be exposed:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/video-surfaces-of-taliban-stoning-woman-in-northwest-pakistan.html

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cody heartz 4 years, 2 months ago

I'm coming to this article late, but let me see if I can pull all the pieces together:

Seeuski believes that a state congressman from Colorado grandstanding over Arizona border politics is an important move against Sharia law taking over in America.

That she has done what the 9/11 commission and the pentagon couldn't, and found some link between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Al Queda.

Also, that global warming is a liberal hoax. Part of their strategic plan to turn The US into a third world country.

I had no idea that Arizona's immigration policies had such far reaching implications. Randy Baumgardner's fact finding mission sure turned up a lot.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

What do we know that we don't know? How our enemies see this Administrations policies through the eyes of the Arabs themselves.

"Arab Liberals Eight Years After 9/11: Obama's Overtures Towards Iran, Extremists Seen as a Sign of Weakness"

http://memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/96/3766.htm

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

buff,

Did you not read the post by beennowheredonenothing that dragged this forum into the Iraq argument? Sorry, but try paying attention.

And yes, there is 9/11 commission testimony that connects Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda but because the left wants to deny and turn their cheeks we remain in danger.

"In the time allotted here, I want to address three major terrorist plots that have been attributed to so-called "loose networks," including al Qaeda, and illustrate that there is significant evidence to suggest that Iraq was involved: the 1993 Trade Center bombing; the 1995 plot in the Philippines to bomb a dozen US airplanes; and the 9/11 attacks." http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing3/witness_mylroie.htm Laurie Mylroie was Clinton's Iraq adviser in 1992.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

Another thing, our southern border is being crossed by Muslim terrorists and it is our own Government that has provided that info. Google it and see for yourself. So I can see the links with this story and what you consider to be non worthy connections.

Thanks again for working for the people Randy, pay no attention to the sheep and the Obama Zombies. Yea, lets sue Arizona and make a complaint to the daunting UN about how mean AZ is to the nice people jumping our southern border. Sick.

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cody heartz 4 years, 2 months ago

Laurie Mylroie is a crack pot. You and her should get together and discuss far-flung half-cooked conspiracy theory.

And as far as there being concrete evidence that Muslim terrorists are crossing the US mexican border, that is just a lie. No evidence exists of that happening. Of course it is a possibility that exists and that we should protect ourselves against. But when you frame it as a pressing issue of national security that the federal government is ignoring, you are wrong. You can post all the links to inane, baseless, or out of context internet news articles you want. You are on a witch hunt.

Your brand of neo-McCarythism is a cancer. Randy Baumgardner's trip only served to embolden the fear mongering, xenophobia and bigotry that underlie the very the worst elements of the conservative character.

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

You are a lost cause. I feel sorry for people like you who ignore truth and reality. This video is provided by people who you will probably call names but it doesn't absolve you of your silliness.

http://islamizationwatch.blogspot.com/2010/05/blog-post_25.html

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seeuski 4 years, 2 months ago

For the blind and hearing impaired who need the facts and reality of the border issues.

http://islamizationwatch.blogspot.com/2010/05/blog-post_25.html

http://www.examiner.com/county-political-buzz-in-san-diego/arizona-rancher-murdered-by-illegal-immigrant-who-flees-to-mexico

A 2005 news story while Janet Napolitano was Governor,Gee isn't she a Democrat who now is playing in a new Government role? Yea, that's right she is the joker in charge of NO Homeland Security.

"I'm Mexican-American, and I just believe we are overstretched because of all the immigration," Montanez said. She added that "closing the border" might be the only solution to the problem. http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=51473

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