Charlie MacArthur: Appealing to a new generation

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“We who live in free market societies believe that growth, prosperity and ultimately human fulfillment are created from the bottom up, not the government down. Only when the human spirit is allowed to invent and create, only when individuals are given a personal stake in deciding economic policies and benefiting from their success — only then can societies remain economically alive, dynamic, progressive and free.”

— Ronald Reagan, Sept. 29, 1981

This quote jumps out at me the week following my first attendance at a tea party event. I admit I entered as a skeptic, uncertain if I was ready to be labeled in any direction, and unsure whether I could find relevance and meaning in a fringe political party. I was surprised. The people I met at the 1773 Club meeting were busy. Many of those present own multiple companies and have far less time than I to be stepping out of the box. I did not meet anybody whom I would classify as a “radical.” No guns were shot, no discrimination present and no animals harmed during the course of the evening. What the group did lack, though, was youth. I accounted for about one-third of the individuals younger than 30. For a group aiming to change the direction of a nation, the problem of youth recruitment is no small problem.

For too long, the mantra of the conservative party has pushed the graduating generations away by proclaiming that we should aim backward at the “good old days.” If you listen to 10 minutes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, or any of the other conservative commentators, you instantly will be referenced to the “post-war era,” the “Greatest Generation” and the Founding Fathers. Conser­va­tives these days are scared, and they have reasons to be, but we must remember to look forward with excitement. If you can recall the feeling of graduating and entering the world, you were excited. The beauty of America is in its freedom and the opportunities that freedom provides. It is critical that all conservatives keep this point in mind when appealing to the younger generations. A graduate is not interested in hearing that the world is falling apart. They are looking to their peers and mentors for guidance. If conservatives want to be that guidance, they will have to show the youth that it is conservative policies that lead to prosperity.

The argument is a simple matter of alternatives. Liberals will tell you they’re going to take care of you. They will tell you that government can provide, and it can, for a while. Government can mandate and enforce and punish. Government can regulate, and liberals love to regulate. But the consequence of regulation is stagnation. As America has transitioned away from manufacturing; we have remained leaders because in America you can invent, create and prosper. We have succeeded by the freedoms we hold so close. Liberals will tell you that greed has resulted from that prosperity. Are there some who take advantage? Yes. Should they be punished? Yes. Is the answer to enforce blanket regulations across every industry? No. Is the answer to nationalize global companies? No. If left alone, liberals would find that after all the mandating, enforcing and taxing, the small percentage that pays for all the public entitlements eventually will quit. At this point, liberals would tell you they did their best, and they tried really hard, but they just can’t figure out why no one will work without profits. Liberals want you to hope. They have made “hope” and “change” stand for giving up control. The conservative way avoids hope and relies on a plan for change. That is why the world is always an open book to a conservative-minded youth.

If you are young and looking for guidance, consider this: The greatest generation has yet to live. The Industrial Revolution changed America into a manufacturing machine and created a new era of productivity and efficiency that was before unknown. We are experiencing the same leaps right now. The upcoming generations will be more efficient and productive than any that have existed. Graduates today can do more with a smart phone and an hour of spare time than could be done with five men and a day 50 years ago. We are, and will continue to be, the leaders and pushers of the most productive era ever known. Under conservative polices these improvements in productivity and efficiency will flourish, and that is something to be excited about. That is the reason a graduate should be a conservative, to ensure that every coming generation is the greatest.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 9 months ago

That noted liberal Richard Nixon signed into law the EPA whose creation was largely attributed to the lack of regulations that had allowed so much pollution that the river had caught fire.

Quit worrying about labels and get real. Get real on specific issues.

Do you want to repeal food safety regulations? Do you want to repeal oil drilling regulations? Do you want to repeal drug safety and testing regulations? Do you want the unemployed to receive extended unemployment benefits?

Any elementary school or higher graduate should have sufficient education to see that Charlie MacArthur's fails to provide one single reason to be a conservative. It argues against being a certain type of liberal, but since quite possibly there is not a single liberal that would say that Charlie's letter is describing them. A liberal might be willing to pay unemployment insurance at a time of 9.5% unemployment so that the children of the unemployed have enough food to eat. A liberal might want to continue food and drug safety regulations and even expand them so that poisoned glasses from China are not given to our children at McDonalds. A liberal might like clean water and be happy that people can now swim in the river that caught on fire.

In fact, the most educational part of Charlie's letter is that it fails to give a single reason to be a conservative. At least liberals can give a reason to be a liberal. You may not agree with it, but at least they can say why. But conservatives no longer seem able to give one single reason to be a conservative. All that conservatives appear able to do is to say week after week is: "Don't be a liberal".

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Stan Zuber 3 years, 9 months ago

So what do you produce on a smart phone? Food, Steel, Clothing. Just hope there does not come a time when the boats stop coming.

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sledneck 3 years, 9 months ago

When our money is no longer worth the paper it is printed on, the boats WILL stop comming... and thats when the fur is gonna fly.

THAT is the reason to be a Libertarian.

Democrats and Republicans... what a nightmare.

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freerider 3 years, 9 months ago

This guy is really delusional ...serving the Repuk-lican party is like serving the Gambino family ..serving the Democraps is like working for the Genovasee clan ...either way you are working for a crime boss ...with the FED at the helm ...

RON PAUL 2012 END THE FED END THE IRS END THE WARS END THE INSANITY

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Anne Lowe 3 years, 9 months ago

BRAVO CHARLIE!!!
What a positive and encouraging message - one that the youth can run with and the 'little-bit-older' folks like me can be proud to promote for our kids and grandkids.

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Rob Douglas 3 years, 9 months ago

Charlie, Thank you for taking the time and effort to express your concerns and your optimism for America's future. If more Americans of all ages were as involved as you already are as a young man, our country would be in far better shape than it is at this point in time. If you will allow me, I'd like to encourage you to look at the positive ideas that another relatively young man - Congressman Paul Ryan - has put forth in his Roadmap for America's Future. I believe Ryan has presented a workable plan to put this country back on the path to prosperity and individual freedom. You can find the plan and other materials at: http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Plan/ You can view many videos of Ryan discussing his ideas on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/user/AmericanRoadmap and http://www.youtube.com/user/RepPaulRyan You may also be interested in examining the current work and dramatic results of two conservative governors - one near the end of his second term and the other just getting underway. Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana: http://www.in.gov/gov/2635.htm and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey: http://www.state.nj.us/governor/ Finally, don't allow the ankle-biters and naysayers of all political stripes to discourage you. This remains the greatest country and we need your generation to start taking leadership roles in order to repair the damage that both political parties have created over the last half century. Rob

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aichempty 3 years, 9 months ago

Back in the days of The Great Depression there were thousands, if not millions, of young men who enlisted in the armed forces just to have three hots and a cot.

Not until the generation that thinks you can make your living on the Internet falls onto such hard times will they truly understand the value of individual productivity and the need to have a strong, independent economy where we produce what we also consume. Japan went to war in the 1930s over just that very thing; too many people, too little land, not enough natural resources to support them. Japan's leaders convinced themselves that taking it away from the rest of the world by force was the way to go. Same in Germany where Hitler sought some "living" room that happened to be owned by other countries.

In case nobody noticed, we have segments in our own society where young men exist by taking things from others by force. Do the Mexican drug wars seem like a good way to run a society? Humans are violent and selfish by nature, and unless we take action to straighten out this country and make ourselves capable of providing for our own needs, those who cannot find a place to live and food to eat will start taking it away from someone else. Routt County is still fairly immune from such things at this point, but it won't always be so unless people realize that somebody has to do the dirty jobs and sacrifice luxuries for security.

The bitter truth is that our privileged younger generations have been spoiled by peace and prosperity that have not existed before in human history. Somebody, somewhere is always starving or involved in a war, or both.

People who get "saved" during a disaster are most commonly those who save themselves. Waiting for rescue doesn't work. Hurricane Katrina proved that. We can't all have a nice clean day job with a paycheck and barely provide for our own needs while trusting everybody else to take care of the rest.

People under 30 are spoiled. It's always been like that since the end of World War II. Anyone who wanted a job could get one, and if you worked hard and saved your money you could have a great life and be comfortable. The "great life" and "be comfortable" parts are the things people want now, but the idea of working hard and saving money has gone away. So what's happening today in the real world? People don't have the money to buy things because we are not competitive on the world economy, and a kid with a brand new degree in Accounting from a good school has to settle for a $9.00 an hour job answering the telephone at a trucking company. The guys driving the trucks make more money, but there are not as many guys driving trucks as there used to be either.

This country was made great by the pioneering spirit and individualism that brought us industry, extracted natural resources, created jobs and earned wealth. If we want things to be better, we have to go back to those days.

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localboy17 3 years, 9 months ago

scott wedel, The point of Charlie's article was not to list reasons to be a conservative or be a liberal. There are pros and cons to both sides and that battle is not one worth arguing over. His message was simply to say that if you consider yourself a young conservative, then maybe it is time to get in gear and start taking part in the political rat race. But you proved you're typical nasty liberal stereotype by immediately attacking him and saying that there are reasons to be a liberal but not for being a conservative. He was not attacking your side at all, nor was he trying to promote his. He was saying that the youth needs to take part, which is the only reason that the current president made it in the office. Without the college generation becoming so intrigued in the race, I think we would be in a different scenario. And finally when you are attacking someone's opinion and you say "Any elementary school or higher graduate should have sufficient education to see that Charlie MacArthur's fails to provide one single reason to be a conservative." proofread, it would be Charlie MacArthur fails, not MacArthur's fails. I'm just saying....

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JLM 3 years, 9 months ago

@ scott wedel ---

What sheer nonsense to "be a conservative" or to "be a liberal" --- these are intellectual concepts not like joining the Rotary.

A conservative --- as it pertains to contemporary political thought --- is one who looks to the literal utterances and writings of the Founding Fathers as a source of guidance in fashioning and executing a governing philosophy for our country.

This guidance suggests a Federal government which is literally empowered by the "united" States and not one which is superior to these same States. One that derives its power from those governed rather than lording its power over its subjects.

A conservative would embrace a smaller government with less pervasive influence upon their lives in preference to all other concepts. Freedom is not just the ability to do specific things --- the pursuit of happiness --- but also the simple concept of being left alone as a state of being.

An inexpensive government which taxes only the barest minimum which it needs and leaves the majority of the local governance to the States and their political subdivisions. A perfect example of this is the subject of education which is funded at the local level but must bear the unfunded mandates of the Federal government.

A conservative believes that one of the primary missions of the Federal government is to protect and defend the Nation's borders from the perspective of individual safety, immigration and internatonal commerce.

A conservative believes that our military forces should be adequate to defend all of our national interests and citizens by leaning forward and engaging with all current and prospective enemies.

A conservative believes that the laborer knows better what to do with his own money than the government does and that the worker should be entitled to keep all of his labor except for the small portion that is necessary to fund the actions that are unique to the Federal government.

A conservative believes that the marketplace is where jobs are created and where the encouragement to create jobs must be focused. Governments do not and cannot create real jobs.

A conservative does not believe that an elected official's personal desire to "redistribute wealth" is a legitimate function of government but that wealth should be created and distributed in a free market economy by the virtues of hard work, creativity and entrepreneurial zeal.

A conservative believes that getting up earlier, staying later and working hard should be the determinates of the quality of one's life rather than confiscatory taxes, government handouts and subsidies. Hard work should trump politics.

A conservative believes that investments made with after tax dollars and accumulated during one's lifetime do not become "income" subject to taxation at the instant of one's untimely death. Dying is not a taxable event and wealth accumulated during a long life is not "income" subject to yet again another income tax.

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JLM 3 years, 9 months ago

During the Great Depression the Army stayed the same size until the advent of WWII.

What did grow enormously was the CCC which was supervised by the Army and which grew to about 500K men and was really the precursor to the growth of the Army's draft and ability to assimilate huge numbers of soldiers.

The Army was about 250K in 1930 and 12.2MM in 1945.

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sledneck 3 years, 9 months ago

Aich, I agree very much with your assesment. When things actually get tough most will not be able to cope.

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JLM 3 years, 9 months ago

I suspect that we have a tendency to look at things with a bit of selective nostalgia when it suits our own self conceived notions. I plead guilty to that. Though I am a huge fan of our father's WWII generation, the sons of tigers are still tigers.

Though the Gen X-ers and Gen Y-ers as a whole are a bit squishy there are certainly a great number who are rock solid performers. You have to be a bit careful where you look for them. The young folks in the Army today are superb and the young officers being turned out by the military academies are better than the ever.

What the privileged classes in America need is a bit of hard times summer camp.

The simple truth of the matter is that America needs desperately to define victory and get on with winning some of the wars we face --- Iraq, Afghanistan, Terrorism, the Economy, Job Creation to mention a few.

SBS is seeing the ugly collission between what everybody wants to be the truth and the whole damn truth so help you God! The economy has been a pretty merciless hand maiden up here in the mountains and it is not going to get better quickly.

We have to get back to picking our friends, backing them and making it very, very costly and unattractive to be our enemy. This is true of Cuba, Venequela, Pakistan, N Korea, China, Russia, the whole damn Middle East, Iran and the list goes on.

We have got to back Mexico to the hilt because if they lose, then all that crap is going to flow across the border. We have to champion their struggle to gain control of their country while acknowledging that they are part, a big damn part, of the immigration issue.

We have got to stop shipping our energy $$$ overseas to fund our enemies, to fund terrorists indirectly and to go missing in our own economy. Even if we are irreverently overconsumptive, we need to keep the $$$ at home. Somebody is going to have to buy something just because it's made in the USA.

Now that Pres Obama is getting the Presidential Daily Brief and has to deal w/ a real world rather than the one he thought existed out there for him, it is time to abandon the cult of personality BS and get on w/ old fashioned diplomacy including a smidgen of gunboat diplomacy. That personality stuff? Not so much!

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bandmama 3 years, 9 months ago

hmmmmmmmm.... while a great quote, consider the time frame. seems odd that such a profound statement could come from one whose co-star used to be a monkey and one who we all know now was on the edge of dementia........just saying.

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exduffer 3 years, 9 months ago

Scott- What is the answer to 'why a liberal wants to be a liberal'?

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John Fielding 3 years, 9 months ago

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I have heard an answer to that question, but it was from a Minister regarding why one would proselytize.

It has its basis in the highly defensible assumption that many people do not know what is best for them, and or are unable to do it for themselves.

As he said" would you not throw a lifeline to a drownding man?"

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Rich Lowe 3 years, 9 months ago

Well done Charlie! Your view is a positive one which in essence says "our best innings aren't behind us - They are in front of us." Your article is a good reminder to all of us to look forward and ask what can we do to help improve the situation while keeping grounded in time tested / solid principles.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

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Rick Akin 3 years, 9 months ago

Bully for you, Charlie! Don't let some of the naysayers that post comments get you down. You understand a lot of things that some of these folks don't, and probably never will. You understand the real cost of high taxes. You understand the cost and ineffectiveness of much regulation. You understand that, despite their name, liberals support government control, not Liberty. You understand that the government does not create wealth, people do. You understand that greatness resides in the people, not the government. Stay strong, my friend. You have more support than you will ever realize.

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ybul 3 years, 9 months ago

Do you want to repeal food safety regulations?

Yes, the rules today make it impossible for the small processor to compete. They have been written to protect the large corporations. Proposed legislation might wipe out all small farms.

Do you want to repeal oil drilling regulations?

Yes, I would like to have an agency estimate the potential negative impacts and have a bond issued to cover all costs of any problems.

Do you want to repeal drug safety and testing regulations?

They work so well today, as the corporations seem to do all the testing and tell the government if they worked or not.

Do you want the unemployed to receive extended unemployment benefits?

In reality I do not want to extend benefits nor do I want to pay taxes on employees I have to employ them for this benefit. I would prefer to see a tax on consumption in the US to pay this benefit. That way if we produce a product for export it does not pay into this fund as those export based jobs are bringing money into this country.

I would also like to see money spent to create jobs, not let people sit on the sidelines and collect more money from the government than they could working in a position they might be overqualified for.

Any other entitlement programs you would like thoughts on?

The DOE, which was supposed to attain energy independence in the 70s, has not moved us one step closer.

How about proposed legislation so that the feds tell our schools what to serve. I think Max is doing a bang up job, we do not need the feds. Maybe if we could have some of the federal subsidies go to small producers as opposed to corporations we would have better food - wait why not do away with subsidies, have the kids cook the food in school, clean the school and other activities to keep their schools running as Montessori schools do.

Peace

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housepoor 3 years, 9 months ago

How about CRP and AG status for 5-35ac "ranches"?

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Jon Quinn 3 years, 9 months ago

Charlie, I applaud your spirit and gumption. You are a man of great potential, keep up the good work. I would only add 1 comment. Though the world may seem awfully black and white to you right now, believe me that it is not. The fabric of our country is woven with many different threads. The great nation we have become is a credit to those who came before us, conservative, liberal, and centrist alike. No 1 ideology or political party may be credited with its successes or failures alone. Always be willing to listen with an open mind.

That said, we are in a heap of trouble as a country right now and I agree that it will take conservative spending and scaled back government to get us out of the mess we are in. Hate to say it... but although your generation did not get us here, you do get to deal with the mess! So I hope you stay involved and challenge your peers to do the same.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

rakin says: "You understand that, despite their name, liberals support government control, not Liberty."

Dictionary.com- Liberal: adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs. 2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform. 3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism. 4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties. 5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers. 6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies. 7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners. 8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc. 9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor. 10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation. 11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule. 12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts. 13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman. –noun 14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion. 15. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

So...where does one get the notion that Liberal comes from the word Liberty? One would think that when you label someone, you actually understand the label one uses so it sounds like it's coming from someone who put some thought into their post instead of just trying to sound cool.

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John Fielding 3 years, 9 months ago

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"There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses. If it would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favors alike on the high and the low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing."

Andrew Jackson

Does no one realize that one can be both liberal and conservative?

It is a position commonly called moderate, and it incorporates a judicious selection from each.

Each persons selections are unique, but all agree those on the extremes are in error.

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sledneck 3 years, 9 months ago

Thats why I dont call 'em liberals. The proper term is communist, socialist. Look that one up and you will have a more apt description of leftists.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

I was only correcting an improper use of the term that Akin used. Liberal is not derived from the word Liberty. You may as well try to point to your eye to indicate "I" when trying to talk to someone who speaks a foreign language. If you try to be glib, you may as well put it in proper context so as not to look more foolish that those you are being glib about. An "Oh yeah?!?" would have even been more clever.

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Rick Akin 3 years, 9 months ago

Thanks Kielbasa. It has been obvious to many of us for years that "liberals" do not advocate Liberty. Thank you for confirming.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

Many of you also don't seem to understand the English language. Your welcome.

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John Fielding 3 years, 9 months ago

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I agree that the use of the term "liberals" has been misapplied, has come to mean something quite different than it once did when it meant those who resisted governmental intrusiveness. Those closest to the old notion of liberals are Libertarians.

The same thing has happened with "conservative", as it now is freely applied to those who are working to change government into something it never was. The supporters of Ron Paul maintain some of the traditional elements of conservatism.

But the common usages of the terms will not revert to what they once were, therefore it is expedient for one to use other adjectives in order to have their point clearly understood.

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Rick Akin 3 years, 9 months ago

John is correct and we started down that path with this editorial series back in 2007. Here is the first commentary in this series: http://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/2007/apr/22/rick_akin_what_conservative/?more_like_this It is odd how the meanings of the terms have evolved over the past couple of centuries. By the way, Kielbasa, it is "you're" not "your."

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

That was a good piece Rick, thanks for re-posting it. Seems you have had an understanding of how names/labels have been used to shnooker people for quite some time. Liberals=Progressives and they have changed their labels over the decades as one serves their purposes better than the other depending on public awareness and the times. Progressives with their divide and conquer strategy or the attack the messenger Alinsky tactics are sweating the coming elections. We just want a return to common sense Conservatism and a halt to the Socialism that is underway. And most don't want a domed Mosque overlooking Ground Zero.

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trump_suit 3 years, 9 months ago

See, finally something we can agree on. NO MOSQUE at Ground Zero. Why is this even being considered.

I find it amusing that the Conservatives are moaning about their lack of support from the younger generations.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

It is being considered because of who holds the office of POTUS.

"Obama adviser: U.S. 'ideal place for renewal of Islam' Religion aide closely linked to imam seeking to build Ground Zero mosque" http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/07/obama-adviser-us-ideal-place-for-renewal-of-islam-religion-aide-closely-linked-to-imam-seeking-to-build-ground-zero-mosq.html

What ever happened to the Ft. Hood massacre investigation that the WH said must take place before "we jump to conclusions"?

I posted on here before the election in 2008 about Obama's friendship with Rashid Khalidi and others. What did Americans think we were going to see happen if he was elected? http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57231

And now we are learning of the media cover ups regarding Rev. Wright during the 2008 campaigns. Some of us out here saw through it all and new what to expect. So here we are about to see the new Dome of the Rock erected in NYC at Ground Zero.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 9 months ago

side note on the whole "mosque @ ground zero" thing;

A couple of months back, a young man issued a threat on an Islamist website that, subsequently, got an episode of South Park censored on TV. The episode still aired and it was still mostly funny. However, one character's visual appearance on the show was covered with a large black bar that read "CENSORED" and an entire segment of monologue was replaced with one of those annoying censore beeps for about 30-60seconds straight. Now, granted, the material that is often found in episodes of this show are not highly palletable to a number of TV viewers in our country. Nonetheless, the very First Amendment that is listed as a right to ALL American citizens provides for people to freely distribute distasteful and offensive subject matter. Yet in spite of that fact, some sorry @$$, puke of an excuse for an American, jihadi-WANNA-BE punk bastard had the audacity to threaten the lives of some of America's greatest creative talent. And now he's being handled by the feds and has been arrested for supporting an overseas terrorist group for the threats that he made(and let that be a lesson to the rest of you out there). http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0721101southpark1.html

All that said to say this; I almost hope that they let 'em build the mosque right there next to ground zero. I can't wait to see what manner of vandalism befalls them when it opens. If they think for a second that they're just gonna waltz right into New York City to erect a mosque right next to Ground Zero and not have any problems with it being built....well, I should hope that they've got quite another thing coming from someone. This used to be America. This used to be a place where people not only gave a damn about things like this, but they just flat-out wouldn't stand for it period. I sure hope we haven't lost the America that I served, because it'd be a damn shame. And I do mean shameful.

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sledneck 3 years, 9 months ago

Don't need to understand english to know which way the wind blows.

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Sara Gleason 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm 26, and there are days Rush seems a little liberal to me. We are out there. Don't worry-once kids are cut off, they learn about financial realities very quickly. Younger people just want to be left alone to do our jobs-by our gov., our bosses, and our families. Negative reinforcement and rewarding bad behavior have the same effects, whether we are talking about unemployment or cleaning your bedroom. Do not worry Mr. MacArthur-we are out there!

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ybul 3 years, 9 months ago

CRP - for the most part takes land that should be grazed at some point in time, as it evolved with ruminants. Ruminants with their cloven hooves put the grass back into the soil generally in a more usable form with lots of neat microbes that help the soil system work. Some CRP helps to restore the river corridors. Neither of which I fundamentally agree with. Yet if the government is going to give away money, I may as well try to get it and use it to help others out with what I get so that I can give another a hand up so that we no longer need these hand outs.

Though most if not all the USDA does serves little purpose, except to try and restore rural economies. Yet, they fail to look into why these economies lost their youth, only throwing money at the problem as that is the answer to all problems.

The tax system is pretty messed up as it is, can't really agree with McMansions claiming ag status.

Though these two issues are pretty far down my list of what needs corrected in this country.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

mmj, Right on! If that mosque is built it will stand as a trophy to the Jihadis for centuries just like the Al Aqsa mosque standing in Jerusalem on top of what is the ruins of the 1st and 2nd Hebrew Temples. I have been there and it is a tragedy. Understanding how Islam treats land that becomes the property of Muslims is something that most Infidels don't know. It is treated as permanently Islam holy forever, hence the wars and terrorism, no matter who or how land is exchanged over the years. Their is only one reason to build that mosque there since very few people live in that section of NYC.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

White House Backs Bill to Collect Employee Pay Information from Businesses Thursday, July 22, 2010 By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer http://cnsnews.com/news/article/69746

Did we elect Hugo Chavez?

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MrTaiChi 3 years, 9 months ago

Mention should also be made that under Islam's holy writings, where they allow non-belivers to live among them, Muslims are enjoined to conduct themselves so that the jews and gentiles feel subdued. This includes making sure that no infidel religious structures are greater in height than the mosques. This proposed mosque is in excess of twelve stories I believe. I wonder if the concealed Saudi charities funding its purchase and renovation intended the above or whether it is just a coincidence.

What is consciously ignored by those wishing that Islam be a religion of peace is that their holy writings expressly and in detail enjoin the faithful to bide their time in infidel lands until their numbers enable them to force acceptance of sharia (or other cultural norms of the faith). Unlike Judaism and Christianity, there are scriptural imperatives for the faithful to infiltrate and convert by force, if necessary, the cultures they have colonized. Yes the Spanish allowed Dominicans to do some nasty stuff to the indigenous populations of the Americas, and King Olaf coverted all of Norway by threat of force, but nothing in Christian scripture compeled or authorized forced conversions, unlike the Koran and the Hadiths. "By the sword you shall convert them."

Atrocities have been committed by Christians and Jews since the year 1,000, not because their holy writings authorized and compeled them, but because of the interpretation of scripture by fundamentalists. Mohammed and his Imams left no room for their followers to misunderstand that Islam has a detailed road map for conquest that is the duty of all Muslims to implement, fair or foul. The prophet, (no capital letter intended), said, "War is deceit." While the Chinese philosopher [Sun Tsu?] first said it in The Art of War, Islam embraced it and lives it.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

That is what we are up against and one only need to look at Europe for the example of what we are in the early stages of here. 25% of their population, or there about, is now muslim.

Geert Wilders New York, Four Seasons (Monday Feb 23, 2009) http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1535

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Kevin Nerney 3 years, 8 months ago

MMJ let'm build it. Invite all who will fit into it to come in enjoy, once it's finished. Then when it is full and at a peak time in pray we'll send in a couple on 2 ton bombs and flatten it!!!!!! ( that's not to harsh is it?) Sorry I'm a little late to this disussion been outside in this beautiful weather. Can I push the button on the 2 ton bombs?

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MrTaiChi 3 years, 8 months ago

Kevin

This thread has gone off the current posting list, so I'm not even sure you will ever see this comment. What you said isn't funny. It is very wrong. It gives those with an irrational need to balance things out an example of moral equivalence, viz: 'Yeah Muslim extremists killed several thousand on 9/11, but look here, a Christian or Jew who would do the same thing given the chance.' Even though there are no Methodists oppressing Muslims by burning their houses of worship or cutting their throats, comments such as yours give shelter to those who wrongly blame all religion for what Islam is currently inflicting on the world.

Your note does serve as a vehicle for comparisons of Christianity and Islam. Christianity is a thought crime religion. Jesus taught on the sermon on the mount that to think adulterous thoughts was to commit adultery, and that as man is flawed and would be destined to sin, his redemption came through God in the sacrifice of Jesus, his son. The slaughter of 2,000 innocents in thought is the slaughter of 2,000 as a sin. In Islam, it is acceptable to kill in the name of the faith to advance the faith or revenge its insult so long as innocents are not killed. As you may have guessed, there are by definition, only Muslim innocents, and as Bin Laden has obtained a fatwa from some Saudi cleric, all Americans are not in the class of innocents. His faith allows him to set off a nuclear device in New York, Washington or Denver, kill tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands, and sleep peacefully on his pillow that night.

Let us resist the stealth jihad with reason and reality, not the kind of sound bite, bumper sticker logic that is counterproductive.

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Kevin Nerney 3 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Tai Chi - What I said above wasn't meant to be funny. Nor do I think it is wrong. I have read many of your posts on numerous subjects and I always find what you say insightful, thoughtful, and expected given your user name. 99% of the time I agree with you since you are much more level headed then most of those who rant and rave and post here. I also like the fact that your posts deal with rational logic and explanations. That said, this is the one percent that runs contrary and cuts across the cloth. I fully understand the logic behind your post but perhaps I'm to close to the situation to see the forest through the trees. I whole heartily agree with the turn the other cheek pilosophy of religion but eventually you have to stand your ground and fight back. I don't quite get what would be accomplished or how to get the other side to understand "reason and reality". Those folks in the desert have been fighting for thousands of years and our nine year war won't stop them even if it is a 19 year war or a 190 year war. Infidels were Infidels long before America was ever even born so I don't buy into their propaganda that it is our fault. My son is currently in the Marines and serving in Afganistan and doing his best to arrange a meeting between the enemy and Allah. Given the opportunity I would not hesitate to arrange such a meeting with ten-fold of those that killed 343 of my FDNY brothers. And if St. Peter has a problem with that when the time comes for my meeting with him then I will face the consequences of my actions. Repectfully Kevin P.Nerney LT. Eng 207 FDNY ret.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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Mr. Nerney,

Thank you for your follow up post, it gives your earlier statement a perspective it needed.

I do hope you make a distinction between "the enemy" and the millions of peace loving practitioners of Islam who consider those parts of scripture directing them to jihad as figurative or invalid in the modern world., rather like most modern Christians regard the Genisis account of creation.

However, I also agree that Ground Zero is an inappropriate location for a mosque.

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Kevin Nerney 3 years, 8 months ago

Certainly. Peace loving is the key phrase here. The days of the Crusades are way in the past. Live and let live. America was founded on freedom of religion (not freedom of all religions except Islam). Somehow we have gotten way off of Charlie's original message.

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MrTaiChi 3 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Nerney,

I appreciate your kind words for my comments. I understand, a little, how you feel about the deaths of colleagues. After 9/11 I was filled with hatred and would have happily strangled those responsible with my bare hands. A second cousin lost her husband from injuries he suffered that day. A colleague described how his son fled the dust cloud from the first collapse by running off a pier into the river. Another's partner saw the second tower collapse while driving north on the Jersey Turnpike. Sometimes hatred is righteous. What must no be lost sight of is that when you hate someone they own a piece of you.

I am not as sanguine about world-wide Islam as John, above, is. Watching American Muslims squirm and dissemble when asked hard questions about accepting other faiths, or about their ties to Hamas or other Muslim Brotherhood clones should make a reasonable man nervous about whether they can assimilate. There are also the disquieting Isamic concepts of Taqiyah and Teysir which give spiritual cover for lying and biding ones time in alien cultures until one's true intentions and desires can be revealed. Seeuski is wrong about the percentages in Western Europe, but even in the Netherlands and other states where Muslims are now approaching 2-4% of the population, they demand changes in society to accomodate their sensitivities. Accross the world, where numbers are even greater, violence against non-believers escalates with the percentages. Muslim scholars agree that all there is to be revealed about the faith stopped in the 1300s as they decided at that time all that was to be known was known. New opinions about the nature of Islam are apostasy. Apostates are to be killed.

I think back on the Mormons who were attacked because their theory of govenment was not in the American mould, because Joseph Smith and church elders practiced in those early years a degree of control that outsiders viewed as un-American totalitarianism, threatening. In response, even killing the church leader and other acts of violence couldn't eliminate the faith. You can't kill an idea.

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MrTaiChi 3 years, 8 months ago

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Islam may kill its apostates. Let's hope some survive to initiate an Islamic Reformation.

Our American culture has an entire generation invested in the belief that toleration and diversity are the highest virtues, trumping all others. Think about that... tolerate everything, stand for nothing. If you do, you are bigoted.

It's going to take a long time for the generation of the author of this article to reject the absolutism of that concept and accept that there are times when a culture and civilization should defend itself. The author of this article is up against the kinetic force of the American educational institution that has been teaching that all cultures are relative to each other and that it is wrong to assert the cultural superiority of ours over others. How wonderful that he was able to overcome the brainwashing.

Let's also hope that political correctness and the diversity mantra crowd don't suppress the vital discussion we need to meet this bizarre challange to our values.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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Mr Tai Chi,

I am not at all comfortable with the many teachings of Islam that call for its conversion of all the world to its practice or at least to subjection. I am only slightly less uncomfortable with the teachings of the Christian sect of which I am a member that also proselytizes actively, but using non violent means such as the fear of damnation or at least of less favor in the eyes of The Lord.

My hope is that true enlightenment may spread among mankind, allowing continued respect for historical religious traditions while at the same time accepting that they are the product of their times and only in the most figurative sense applicable to guide human behaviors. As an early example I think of Jefferson's "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth", or "The Jefferson Bible", in which he attempts to sort the myth from the message.

It is interesting that the example you cite of religious persecution has two contrasting links to your message.

The first, is that in the opinion of many of the most authoritative of scholars, Joseph Smith embraced a similar tactic to promote his religion. From Wikipedia's reference to Dan Vogel's "The Making of a Prophet": (Vogel states that previous authors who have attempted to describe Smith’s motives do not go far enough to “explore the inner moral conflicts of an individual who deceives in God’s name while holding sincere religious beliefs.” Vogel states that “Smith believed he was called of God, yet occasionally engaged in fraudulent activities to preach God’s word as effectively as possible.” )

The other link is that one of the most influential proponents of the rejection of the cultural relativism is the Mormon who would be president, Mitt Romney. In his book, "No Apology, the Case for American Greatness", he makes an excellent presentation of the damage that such thinking can promote, and offers many sound proposals for bringing this Nation to a position of strength and security. He manages to do this with little reference to his religion, it is mentioned only in passing a half dozen times in the book, making it clear that the secular virtues, those which in "American Gospel: God, the Founding Fathers, and the Making of a Nation ", author Jon Meacham describes as the National Religion, are adequate to the task.

I highly recommend both books to those seriously interested in the American condition, the first for how to go on from here, and the second, my favorite, for how we came to be here. The "Jefferson Bible" is also an interesting text, more for what it does not contain, as it is composed of selected excerpts from The Bible. It was presented to every incoming member of congress for the first century of the Nations existence.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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Sorry, I overlooked the fact that I referred to four books in my posting. The other, Dan Vogel's book, is very interesting and informative but most would find it tends to require a substantial prior knowledge of the subject to fully appreciate.

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MrTaiChi 3 years, 8 months ago

John,

An impressive response.

When I read that you gave food and shelter to the homeless visiter and others, I thought to myself that there is a man who lives his religion.

My mom dragged me off to Sunday school in an itchy wool suit often enough for me to get the essential tenets of the faith, but I can't claim to live it as I should, only to have a passing understanding of it and what I am supposed to do.

I respect Mormons for their family values. Still I have no problem turning them away from my door when they are on a mission. I have been rude to Jehovah's Witnesses doing the same thing because it rankles that other Americans spilled their blood so that they were free to do so, and that they won't even pause to be grateful on Memorial Day.

The young man who started this thread with his article would do well to do some reading, like the Federalist Papers and perhaps your suggestions, because he is out of time and step with a generation that has been taught to be ashamed to be the Americans they are. He'll need faith in himself and the wisdom of those who passed before us to sustain himself from the withering ridicule of the neo-fascists who know in their guts that conservatives are always wrong. Who needs facts when all their mentors taught them to go with their feelings?

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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Thank you for the complementary thoughts and kind words. I do try to live my religion, in a broad sense I believe how we live is our Religion. I am not at all sure other members of my congregation will agree that I live true to the faith, fortunately heresy is no longer a capital offense.

Coming to find a comfortable relationship between ourselves and those Universal Forces of which we are just a small part is among the most challenging and compelling of human endeavors.

Its level of importance also makes it a source of great power over others, and thus liable to the same corruptions as every other type of power. Only when we may regard it with equanimity will we be invulnerable to its abuse.

To quote: "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free".

Let us seek after the Truth, in all its myriad forms and obscure sources. My personal preferences are those written in stone, but not by human hands.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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The sentiment that moves me was well expressed by Longfellow in his tribute to Louis Agassiz, an eminent nineteenth century scientist remembered as the father of glacial theory.

            THE FIFTIETH BIRTHDAY OF AGASSIZ

By Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.

It was fifty years ago In the pleasant month of May, In the beautiful Pays de Vaud, A child in cradle lay.

And Nature, the old nurse, took The child upon her knee, Saying: "Here is a story -book Thy Father has written for thee."

'Come wander with me," she said, "Into the regions yet untrod, And read what is still unread In the manuscript of God."

And he wandered away and away With Nature, the dear old nurse, Who sang to him night and day The rhymes of the universe.

And whenever the way seemed long, Or his heart began to fail, She would sing a more wonderful song, or tell a more marvelous tale.

So she keeps him still a child, And will not let him go, Though at times his heart beats wild For the beautiful Pays du Vaud

Tho' at times he hears in his dreams The Ranz des Vaches of old, And the rush of mountain streams, From the glaciers clear and cold.

And the mother at home says, "Hark! For the voice I listen and yearn; It is growing late and dark, And my boy does not return."

May 28, 1857

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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Now that I'm in the mood, here is another of my favorite poems.

“Oh God, let this be heaven! I do not ask for golden streets Or long for jasper walls, Nor do I sigh for pearly shores, Where twilight never falls; Just leave me here beside these peaks, In this rough western land, I love this dear old world of Thine. Dear God, You understand.

Oh God, let this be heaven! I do not crave white, stainless robes, I’ll keep these marked by toil; Instead of straight and narrow walks I love trails soft with soil; I have been healed by crystal streams, By those from snow-crowned peaks Where dawn burns incense to the day And paints the sky in streaks.

Dear God, let this be heaven. I do not ask for angel wings, Just leave that old peak here And let me climb ‘til comes the night; I want no golden stair. Then, when I say my last adieu And all farewells are given Just leave my spirit here somewhere. Oh God, let this be heaven!

by Harrison R. Merrill Date uncertain

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

OK, last one for tonight.

CARRY ME ON MY WAY by James Taylor

I forget what to ask for There isn't anything I haven't been given How could I wish for anything more As I am here living in heaven This moment in the sun To feel the wheel turning on

Carry me on my way Carry me on my way Carry me on my way Carry me on my way

I worry about my actions I think about the damage I do I've seen the coming attractions Armageddon and Waterloo I tried to change my mind I wasted precious time

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Who knows where the time goes Only everything is everything Feels like I'm wearing my father's clothes Singing a song my brother would sing I turned to hide my face They're gone without a trace

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 8 months ago

.....and now a reading from "War & Peace"......

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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Gratitude is an attitude.

Substituted for selfishness, as well as humility for arrogance, and combined with acknowledgment of the multitude of the rhymes of the universe we have not yet heard, it can provide the roots from which wisdom may grow.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

. Given the choice between wisdom and joy, it would be wise to choose joy.

RIDERS ON THE STORM !!!!

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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So now I have the Lynerd Skinnerd song stuck in my head.

PLAY STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN!!!!

HOTEL CALIFORNIA!!!!

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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We have a new convert to our little cult. I sent a link to my buddy in Eureka and he made this reply. Since he was too chicken to post it himself, here it is. I have no shame.

Hi John, I read the discussion from the Steamboat Today. Lots of thought provoking stuff. What I assume as the last statement by you was a very fitting end. I thought of adding this poem to the riders on the storm, but your ending to the long stretched topic seems best.

"One ship drives east, and another west With the self-same winds that blow ‘Tis the set of the sails And not the gales Which decides the way we go

Like the winds of the sea are the ways of fate As they voyage along through life ‘Tis the will of the soul That decides its goal And not the calm or the strife." --Ella Wheeler Wilcox

Please send the next topic link you find appropriate. I enjoyed the first, especially what I perceived as your extremely radical departure from prejudice and refreshing good sense. Rock On!!! Steve

PS Yes, Old enough to know better most of the time.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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Old enough to know better, but too old to remember I know better.

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mmjPatient22 3 years, 8 months ago

John- Was your spelling of "Lynerd Skinnerd" meant as an attempt at humor? Or, do you honestly not know how to spell that band's name?

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seeuski 3 years, 8 months ago

Mine's a tale that can't be told, my freedom I hold dear. How years ago in days of old, when magic filled the air. T'was in the darkest depths of Mordor, I met a girl so fair. But Gollum, and the evil one crept up and slipped away with her, her, her....yeah.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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mmj

I spelled it that way on purpose cause I like it better than the Nerdy way they spelled it.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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Lynyrd Skynyrd has been replaced, finally relief! We watched "Mama Mia" last night, now it's Abba.

DIGGING THE DANCING QUEEN!!!

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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So I took my 10 year old to scout camp today, we got to listen to some oldies going to Craig and back. Helped to remind me of some important stuff. He was so surprised when I turned "Hotel California" up so loud, and asked me "so Dad, was the guy trapped there"?

He got to learn a little about metaphor, and we discussed what might be alluded to by more or less enigmatic phrases such as, "on a dark desert highway", "voices calling from far away", "prisoners of our own device", and others.

I did not go into the allegories of addictions or acid trips you don't come back from, that is a discussion for another time, one that we surely will have someday, as I have with my adult daughter and many others of the generations between us.

It all fit real well with another cut just after:

"...and you, of tender years, I know the fears that your elders grew by, (must be free to teach)..."

Teach your children well,...feed them on your dreams, the ones they pick..."

ALMOST CUT MY HAIR!!!!

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Jeff Kibler 3 years, 8 months ago

He's old enough to learn about "Warm smell of colitas."

JUST SAY NO!!!

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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I remember the "just say no" campaign. I had already moved on from my youthful experimental phase, and remember thinking that that advice was aimed at the mindset of Nancy Reagan's generation, Mine, the early boomers would ask why. Most of the gen x and gen Y2k have heard plenty of reasons why, seen wasted parents, aunts and uncles, the way the Reagan's generation knew of the family drunks.

No child of mine will be ordered to accept such simplistic direction, they will know the reasons why, and be expected to expect them. It is the duty of each upcoming generation to question the validity and authority of the establishment, so that when they inherit it they will know for themselves of its merits and weaknesses.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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The trouble with resisting drugs is that it is "happiness in a bottle". Everyone wants to feel good. You can give them the facts about their brain's physical development continuing till age 25 and the ease with which habituation can be programmed during that period, but if they are not finding fulfillment in other ways they will seek it through the means at their disposal. And the importance of example must be appreciated. A parent whose routine includes a few still ones or prescription mood enhancers will have a more difficult case to make. A substance free parent who has little apparent joy in their life will also not be a role model the next generation will wish to emulate.

So participate with your children in activities that bring satisfaction to all, show them that mood elevation can come from constructive, productive ventures in this heaven on earth. Sports, art, adventure, reading, business, politics, study, music, all these and more both in appreciation and participation.

Sex is the other tough one, it is the ultimate self reinforcing activity, by its very design compelling beyond almost all else. That is something that must be a part of a normal healthy life. I have used the analogy of fire it teaching my children, useful, necessary, attractive, but potentially dangerous and destructive, requiring care and attention. That only works so well, but following with lessons on respect and family values has been useful, so far no unplanned pregnancies and a minimum of broken hearts. (of course my children were unplanned, but not unwanted, excepted the adopted ones which may have been planned by their young teen mother as a means of seeking commitment from her partners).

But I am far from confident I have all the answers I need to meet the need, I am constantly seeking additional effective means toward these ends. Any advice will be appreciated.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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Sorry, too early for effective proofreading...stiff ones, in teaching.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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OK I've been reminded of a big one I didn't mention, Spirituality. Some of the world's great religions and many small sects eschew the use of intoxicants either because it contributes to deterioration of behavior or because it is disruptive to the spirit, interferes with the life force, etc. It ties in nicely with the healthy lifestyle advocated so much these days, your body is a temple for your spirit to dwell in, you are what you eat, garbage in, garbage out. Let us encourage the next generation to exercise and nourish their spirits as well as their bodies.

".. the time will come when you see we're all one and Life flows on within you and without you".

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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And thank you seeuski for the contributions of verse, that Steppenwolf took me back 40 years.

Sometimes the poets can say it so well. That is why they live on as we mortals pass away.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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Well now that I have broached the subject of mortality I have really gone too far, morality was bad enough but really,. there are limits of propriety.

But for those who would go there I offer a beautiful composition by James Taylor.

I always shed a tear for my late wife, and am reminded of the preciousness of our lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOKg6JGy3MA&NR=1

"...Build it behind your eyes, carry it in your heart, safe among your own..."

"So long old pal"

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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I have a quest to follow, a pilgrimage to make. I have a notion that if I visit the ancient ruins shown in the video from the link above I will experience a spiritually significant event.

It was near there, west of the San Juans, traveling from Moab to Telluride that my late wife first heard this song, it made her uneasy.

If anyone can help me find that location I will be grateful.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

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So, spiritual experiences are where you find them, or where they find you.

I spent Saturday morning at the Kennedy Space Center. Since my early training in Geology specializing in development of land forms I have trained myself to comprehend deep time, but this really bent my mind. The IMAX presentation on the missions of the Hubble deals with time and space so vast that it can hardly be described, and the sensation is as if one is literally within the panorama in view.

We can never really travel there, but this is as good as having it just out your living room window. Our ability to see these things in great detail will probably give as great a boost to the advancement of knowledge as Galileo's telescope did in his time.

We are mostly all familiar with the sensation of spiritual affirmation, the highly charged internal fire that accompanies deja vu or a revelation. Little ones occur daily if you are attuned, some cane be summoned at will. I use a vision of the selfless sacrifice of the 9-11heros of flight 91as a sort of test pattern, it never fails for me.

But when a really big one catches you by surprise, it is incredible. And while I believe it is easy to misinterpret their meaning, to assign it to a preconceived notion, it is hard to not believe that some glimpse of the Eternal, the Infinite, or Destiny has been perceived.

For me the most powerful was experiencing the shuttle launch for the latest Hubble rescue mission, like a jolt of electricity, hot tears burning my eyes, every cell in my body shouting Hear, Hear! If I had not been sitting I could not have stood through it, I almost was knocked out of my chair as a certainty of mankind's destiny overwhelmed me.

But the deepest was very subtle, as a computer generated image depicted what recent theory has proposed as a model of the visible universe, threads composes of clusters of galaxies forming a network through regions of (empty?) space. In my minds eye was a very similar image, that of depictions of the neurons of the human brain.

When we become able to qualify and measure spiritual energy, will we find it racing at warp squared speeds along these pathways, effectively able to be everywhere at once?

Is it in fact a glimpse of The Intelligence of the Cosmos?

More to follow.

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John Fielding 3 years, 8 months ago

To return for a moment to the origin of this thread, I also saw evidence of the basis for success of our society v the failure of the communist systems in the exhibits at NASA.

It follows something along the lines of the Reagan quote at the top of this column, it is that our system places tremendous value on individuality. One might think that in an organization as large as NASA that would be lost, but if the exhibits in the hall designed to recruit future rocket scientists is an accurate reflection of reality one could hardly hope for a more fulfilling working environment. It differs somewhat from Reagan's assertion that there be stake in deciding and benefiting from economic policy, and NASA is unique in its relationship with government and private industry.

But at the heart of it is that the creativity, initiative and dedication of the individual are rewarded. The motivation that results is the one thing that has been reported by all observers as severely lacking in the Soviet Union and Red China. There the motivated individuals would often try to get into the government where some real benefit could be had through the power that could be exercised.

When the resignation to one's lot as a worker bee is coupled with the further degradation of vilifying spiritual and folk traditions and attempting to substitute an impersonal uniformity (comrade!) on human beings, it becomes a wonder that it worked as well as it did. Only the heavy hand of dictatorship kept it going at all.

We risk falling into some of the errors of those failed systems but by the back door so to speak. Onerous overly restrictive regulation and confiscatory taxes and fees have the same effect of demotivation, and the continual denigration of the United States and its values is little different than attacking a societies other cherished traditions.

We certainly not perfect, but we are able to move in that direction. Let us not break the best system yet devised for the improvement of the human condition to try to fix it.

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ybul 3 years, 7 months ago

The PTB are trying to break that best system through overregulation. Here is a good article on how the PTB wish to regulate all foods produced in this country, at some point they could make it illegal for you to grow your own food.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029539_salmonella_eggs.html

Just makes me sick and mad, however, it protects the factory farms that cause most problems, in addition to keeping us sick by providing us with unhealthy food. How to stop this crap, only way I can think of is to vote them all out.

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John Fielding 3 years, 7 months ago

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Will that even work or will our new representatives find a bureaucracy so entrenched and defended by judicial mandates and precedents that they are unable to change it?

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John Fielding 3 years, 7 months ago

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John Ybul,

A friend sent me this link, I reprint a quote here. Is this the bill you have been warning us about? Is this a fair assessments of its potential impact or just another website spinning facts into misinformation?

“If accepted [S 510] would preclude the public’s right to grow, own, trade, transport, share, feed and eat each and every food that nature makes. It will become the most offensive authority against the cultivation, trade and consumption of food and agricultural products of one’s choice. It will be unconstitutional and contrary to natural law or, if you like, the will of God.” ~Dr. Shiv Chopra, Canada Health whistleblower

http://www.infowars.com/senate-bill-s510-makes-it-illegal-to-grow-share-trade-or-sell-homegrown-food/

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John Fielding 3 years, 7 months ago

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Here is another one he sent me that substantiates your concerns about Genetic Engineering

16:31/06. GENETICALLY MODIFIED CROPS COLONIZE THE WILDLANDS: Genetically modified canola crops have been found outside of their cultivation area in North Dakota, supporting fears that such modified plants will expand their range and take over land used by native species. The so-called feral canola is the first report of a genetically modified crop found in the wild in the U.S., although another genetically engineered plant designed for golf putting greens, creeping bentgrass, was found in Oregon in 2004. Feral modified canola has also shown up in the last decade in Canada, Germany, France, Britain, Japan and Australia.

 In the U.S., 90% to 95% of commercially grown canola is

genetically modified to be herbicide resistant; the researchers said that 80% of the wild canola identified in the most recent discovery had at least one of two herbicide-resistance genes. Furthermore, a small number of the plants contained both genes, although plants containing both have never been commercially released. The combination's existence suggests that engineered genes can be highly mobile and could potentially be transferred to pernicious weeds, although canola has few weedy relatives.

   According to Doug Gurian-Sherman, an agricultural biotechnology

scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists, this phenomenon means that the original benefit of the genetic engineering is ultimately lost, forcing farmers to come up with new ways to control weeds -- such as turning to the more toxic, longer-lasting herbicides used in the past. "The effectiveness of the technology breaks down over time," Gurian-Sherman said, "and as it moves forward to genes that can have a bigger impact on the environment, these gene-movement issues will be more and more important."

 To see a related article “Poised on History's Doorstep: Super Salmon or Frankenfish?” go to:

www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-0810-nu-salmon-20100809,0,3484759.story.

Again I will appreciate your observations. I try to keep an open mind, and find that my concerns do change on the basis of well substantiated presentations.

Thank you, John

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