Rick Akin: Where do the liberals go wrong?

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“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose — because it contains all the others — the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money.’ No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity — to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created.”

— Francisco d’Anconia, from Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged”

Put another way, wealth is the product of the energy, ingenuity, creativity and persistence of the human spirit. In the end, wealth is not something that, by and large, can be stored to be spread around. There is little intrinsic value to a dollar. (Maybe it can be used to start a fire.) The dollar only has value because of the confidence that men and women will employ their energy, ingenuity, creativity and persistence to create goods and services of value for which that small sheet of paper may be exchanged.

It would follow, then, that the creation of wealth is something to be encouraged. The inventor, the industrialist and the high-quality service provider create wealth — not just for themselves, but for multitudes around them. To create goods and services on any large scale requires the employment of various people with various skills. As the demand for people with a particular skill increases, the price or wage that must be paid to obtain these services increases. Employment and wage rates increase. Also, the employees, contractors and business owners reaping income from this enterprise will want to obtain other goods and services for themselves, thus causing other enterprises to prosper and the positive cycle to continue and expand. To the extent that the income generated from these enterprises is not used to buy goods and services, it is invested, which provides available capital for yet further enterprises.

This is a major point at which the policies of our liberal friends miss the boat. They view wealth as static — something to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor — as opposed to something that is dynamic that must be created daily and something that spreads itself around naturally. The liberals’ policies generally operate not just on the premise that wealth is static, but also on envy. Their policies involve taxation and regulation to prevent anyone from becoming too wealthy. These policies, in fact, prevent, or at least discourage, the creation of wealth described above. Consequently, these policies decrease the wealth for the entire populous.

While we are all created equal, different people have different talents, and degrees of talent, as well as different degrees of creativity, persistence and willingness to work hard. As a direct result, different people will enjoy different degrees of economic success. This is a basic law of economics, and attempting to defeat this basic law merely drags down the economic achievement of the entire populous.

The answer here, as it is in virtually all cases, is “Free­dom.” The key is to unleash the boundless energies and talents of the human spirit. To quote Milton Friedman, “The lesson of history is absolutely crystal clear that there is no alternative way, so far discovered, of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by a free enterprise system.”

As former Colorado Congr­essman Bob Schaffer is fond of saying, “It’s all about freedom.”

Let’s give freedom a chance.

To learn more about these principles, attend The Steamboat Institute Freedom Conference, Aug. 27 and 28 at The Steamboat Grand, featuring Yaron Brook, president of the Ayn Rand Institute and economist Dan Mitchell, as well as noted public figures, including Karl Rove. Go to www.steamboatinstitute.org for information and to register.

Rick Akin is an attorney practicing in Steamboat Springs, Denver and Austin, Texas, a former member of the Steamboat Pilot & Today Editorial Board, and is vice chairman of The Steamboat Institute. He holds a Bachelor of Arts in letters from the University of Oklahoma and a doctorate from the University of Texas.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 9 months ago

So why are people like Warren Buffet and the founders of Google seen hanging around Obama and supporting things like estate taxes and so on?

The fundamental premise of this letter is wrong. Liberals do not dislike wealth or opportunity. They actually aspire to give the opportunity for all to become wealthy. They just think that some things like education and feeding kids and providing health care are needed so that all kids, not just the kids of the wealthy, have a chance of becoming wealthy.

If you want to create a false image of liberals and then are proud of yourself for shooting down those bad ideas then go ahead. Won't solve anything because they can do the same to you.

Using the sort of logic in this letter, a liberal could say that since the Republicans in Congress didn't vote to extend unemployment benefits that conservatives think the unemployed should lose their homes and then die of starvation because jobless people are not not creating wealth.

I wish we could agree that everyone wants the US to be a great country with well off happy citizens. That there are political differences on what works to achieve that shared goal. But as long as there are people on both sides that claim the other side is evil then it poisons the political atmosphere and causes bills to be passed that cater to their own extremists instead of to the centrists seeking the best ideas.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

This is not about blaming one side or the other it is about the differences between the Conservatives and the Liberals/Progressives strategies, as stated in the letter, of how best to achieve either the American Dream or Social Justice. The latter being the clarion call of the left. History is replete with the evidence of spread the wealth failures. Marxism is inhumane. The housing bubble is a prime example of this failed dream, or plan. The Community Reinvestment Act along with the faulty lending practices, which are still used by Fannie/Freddie, are at the core of this recession along with the manipulation of markets by the FED. This all in the name of Social Justice. If we don't heed the warnings we are now getting from the collapse of Socialism in Europe, then we are doomed.

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blue_spruce 3 years, 9 months ago

Ayn Rand also wrote a book called "The Virtue of Selfishness".

Doesn't that say it all....

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

Yea, that says it all. Bye Bye. And I like my avatar better than yours.

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sledneck 3 years, 9 months ago

Well said Mr Akin. I agree.

Have you read "The Virtue of Selfishness" Spruce?

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Fred Duckels 3 years, 9 months ago

Scott, Buffett and the boys work both sides of the street so it very difficult to take anything they say to the bank. They are looking out for their own interest first and foremost.

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gravity 3 years, 9 months ago

Mr. Akin, what does Rand say about greed? What does she think of the great capitalists who are unwilling to pay a living wage to their employee's, sell toxic products; consumable, and fiscal, or cut corners on infrastructure at the expense of peoples livelihoods and our environment? Do they receive some grand comeuppance, and and have to repay for all of lives they have destroyed?
Since 1979 80% of the average workers have only seen a 1% raise accounting for inflation, in the same time CEOs went from making 32 times the average employee to making 369 times the average employee.
Mr. Akin tell me whose wealth has been "seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor.", and by whom? Explain how are we going to stop this greed by letting the fox loose in the henhouse?

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sledneck 3 years, 9 months ago

Gravity, You make his case for him! You imply that CEO's are the only ones making lots of money which means, by default, that they are the ones paying the taxes... not you and your ilk! You complain about CEO's pay going up so why have you not endeavored to become a CEO? This nation affords opportunity to all. Why have you not taken advantage and became a CEO and started paying YOUR employees a "living wage"? What do you say about the employees who are stupid enough to work for less than a "living wage" while they apparently know all there is to know about the US economic picture? Pretty stupid folks, no?

CEO's destroyed nothing; they produce the products our nation uses.

Bitter jealousy and indignance is not an economic plan.

Greed makes people hustle for money. People who hustle for money put better products on the shelves for everyone at cheaper prices. Spin that however you want, it's a good thing.

Maybe part of the reason our wages are not rising is we are competing with illegal aliens for jobs, no? Perhaps if we sealed the border the jobs we Americans "won't do" would pay a more attractive wage, yes?

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oldskoolstmbt 3 years, 9 months ago

congrats akin...so you read atlas shrugged....and your a lawyer...whoopty whoop!

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ybul 3 years, 9 months ago

Sledneck, maybe you should consider Jefferson's statement "if we allow the bankers to control our money supply, the corporations that grow up around them will take back everything our forefathers have fought for."

The bankers control our money supply, the corporations that have grown up around them have fleeced our pension systems, created more unfunded liabilities through the pension guarantee trust fund, further concentrated wealth and put many government agencies at risk of bankruptcy.

I think that the common thread that the common man in the US needs to look to is the monetary/stock systems and how it has been managed such that the corporations have maybe or maybe not deliberately have concentrated wealth into the hands of a few.

Unfortunately, a house divided falls and we have a very divided house these days. The banking system has facilitated much of the ills that liberals would like to see cured. As opposed to the current rational of treating symptoms we need to treat the root causes of our problems.

Greed is not god or bad, it is simply a human condition. An example of how greed/desire is good is that if one wants to better their lives, they can work harder to achieve their goals.

There are also those cases that center around CEO pay, which mainly comes on the backs of pension/retirement funds that can be shown as being bad. Don't care what spin anyone puts on CEO pay, no one is worth more than $10,000,000/year, if not less than that. The Casino called the stock market allows those absurd wages, unfortunately many pensions facilitate those wages.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

ybul, I would suggest that the pensions are the problem of the Unions which are using the peoples money for political favors. And I would also suggest that the Fed and Fannie/Freddie are the institutions that Jefferson warned of and despised, it is as if he could see into the future. But here are some of his other quotes that seem timely.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson " "It is always better to have no ideas than false ones; to believe nothing, than to believe what is wrong. Thomas Jefferson" "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson" "Never spend your money before you have earned it. Thomas Jefferson" "Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence. Thomas Jefferson"

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 9 months ago

Just goes to show how even a Founding Father can be wrong. If he saw such problems then and yet those very things he was opposing is what help make the US into a super power.

It is like quoting Einstein ("God does not play with dice") on quantum dynamics, everything since then has shown that quantum dynamics is right and Einstein was wrong on that issue. In terms of quantum dynamics, God certainly does play with dice.

What next? Going to find Bill Gates quotes on how internet search (Google) is irrelevant, how Zune is going to beat the iPod, or how 680K is enough memory?

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

It's funny how time tested Conservative principals always upsets the spoiled who want big brother to give them their daily bread.

And that is why Krawzoff quoted himself.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

I thank you Krazoff for making me laugh. It is getting harder and harder to find humor these days with what is happening to us. Do you think that the DOJ under Obama should have dismissed the case against the NBP members for voter intimidation that occurred in Philly? Or do you feel the DOJ is better off going after AZ for protecting it's citizens instead, as it is?

Just wondering.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 9 months ago

Seesuki, Did you miss the irony of quoting Jefferson on the issue of big government when it was Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase that was the first major expansion of US government power? That was the first big act of the central government that set the precedent that the US government can do what it is needed as a national government.

The Louisiana Purchase was about 50% more than the entire US government budget and was also financed by debt.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

Great investment Scott. What could we sell it for today? Maybe it would finance some of your favorite Obama pork programs. Spread the wealth brother.

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ybul 3 years, 9 months ago

--Just goes to show how even a Founding Father can be wrong. If he saw such problems then and yet those very things he was opposing is what help make the US into a super power.--

If you are quoting the banking system as to what made the US a super power, I think you should ponder what really made the US a super power. The banking system is not what made the US a super power, the ingenuity of its people, allowing its people to strive for the best in themselves and allowing them to take ownership in their work is what made the US great.

The banking system has taken the US from being a super power to being a super debtor and near a third world country. What happens when the Chinese start calling in their debts? What happens when no mfg is here to cover our trade imbalances? What will right the ship world wide as currencies are being manipulated in fashions that have destroyed the US industrial base.

Without that industrial base we are a super Pinochio. We only can stand when those who make our goods for us hold up our strings, when that stops we are in for some tough times.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 9 months ago

ybul, I am pretty sure that Jefferson's quotes were not in reference to the current banking system. Jefferson was commenting on the issues of the time and he was wrong on some issues.

Jackon's decision to have a strong national bank and thus a stronger national currency was clearly a critical step in making the US a powerful country.

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sledneck 3 years, 9 months ago

I actually think the Federal Reserve should be eliminated. It is not "federal" and it has questionable "reserves".

I don't believe I defended the Fed, I defended capitalism because it works everywhere it is tried. If people are foolish enough to allow corporations or governments to be charged with "managing" their pensions, well look at the mess we're in! Why don't people keep track of their own money? They're too interested in six-packs and they know someone else will be there to bail them out. Thats right... bailouts (which suck) aren't just for bankers.

The reason, by and large, that wealth is concentrated in the hands of few is that exceptional productivity is concentrated in those same hands. "The rich get richer" because they keep doing what made them rich... DITTO for the poor.

I worked like putting out fire from the time I was 12 till I was 38. I sold 2 sucessful companies that are still making money for their owners and I still own 3 others. I retired at age 38 and never have to work again. I did it all with NO government help and in spite of considerable government annoyance. I was on jobsites reading plans by flashlights at 5 am 6 days every week.

All that time I watched others. Employees of mine who refused to work in the rain came in on Mondays describing how they fished all weekend during a monsoon. Some who could NEVER get to work on time managed to get in the woods at 5 am to go hunting. Some stole from me. Some lied to me. Some worked as hard as I did and they were making $50,000/yr (in the '80's) even though they were high school drop-outs! Each and every one of them was EXACTLY where the sum total of their past choices put them. NO EXCEPTIONS.

I disagree with the implication that all wealth is stolen. I resent it when I'm told the system is not fair and now that your life is hard we need to change the rules. Here's a news flash... IT HAS NEVER BEEN FAIR and it never will be.

This world is "root little pig or die". 40 hour work weeks are for losers.

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ybul 3 years, 9 months ago

Jackson's decision to have a national currency did not effect the US's standing as a international superpower. Article one of the US constitution states that no states shall coin a currency that is not based on Gold or Silver. The start of the end of a sound currency was the federal reserve act of 1913, which gave international banking cabal power to coin money in the US.

Then the bankster's made more more money than there was gold and there was a potential run on it, causing Nixon to abolish the gold standard. This has allowed any country in the world to competitively devalue there currency to steal our mfg base as trade imbalances are no longer needed to be settled in gold.

Our standard of living (I like to call it consumption here) has nothing to do with us being a super power. I suggest you try to think outside the box as to the debt crisis that just happened in the "pigs" countries and how close the US, many states are there now, though they hide the unfunded liabilities that are there pensions, which at some point will need to come onto their books. At which point the pigs crisis will look mild. They only have to worry about their social programs, where the US has to look to its wide spread military ambitions worldwide.

Super power or Super Debtor. Just because we are the reserve currency of the world today, does not mean this will be the case tomorrow, Europe almost unseated us recently, at some point in times the peasants will rise up and demand that they be paid a decent wage and we will lose our reserve currency status. I figure China will unseat us within 10 years or so, best that our schools start teaching Mandarin.

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greenwash 3 years, 9 months ago

Hey Rick are you sure you wrote this??Or did your friend Mcinnis?

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

Well, certain people who say they are associated with the Tea Party can't ever tell me why there are multiple Tea Partys and why they don't always endorse the same candidates. On Bob McConnell's website, he says 6 Tea Parties have endorsed him. Someone else's site said 20 Tea Parties were standing behind that candidate.

My question is: If all Tea Parties have the same "core values," why haven't they all endorsed the same candidate in races?

I mean, the Tea Party Express endorsed Walt Minnick, a Democrat, when the local Idaho Tea Parties weren't endorsing him & couldn't figure out why TPE was endorsing him.

So, if only 6 Tea Parties are endorsing Bob McConnell, why are the rest staying away from him? There are a lot of Tea Party Factions just in Colorado alone- I'd say about 30, with 1 dedicated to Steamboat Springs and 1 dedicated to Craig-Steamboat.

Plus, Tea Partiers endorsed Scott Brown- R-MA, and look how that turned out. Voted with Dems on a few TP-issues in the opposite direction. How do we know McConnell will be any better?

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 9 months ago

So if not having a central bank is such a good idea then you can tell me all of the countries with strong economies without national banks.

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ybul 3 years, 9 months ago

Zimbabwe has a great national bank that prints up quadrillion bank note vouchers, that is a swell place to live.

A central bank is a good and bad thing. Ours has not been audited, has increased M1 by 11% this year (a dilution of any money you have) and may not be acting in the best interests of its citizens. Up until 1913 the US has had deflation for most of its history. This as people became efficient through creativity, producing goods better and driving their prices. Since the Federal reserve came on line we have had inflation, which puts people in the mindset of consumption, which personally is not good as a strong economy is based upon have savers not consumers.

A much more stable economy would be based upon a people living below their means and saving not consuming today as the good is only going to be more expensive tomorrow. Depressions are the result of an unwinding of debt. I believe worldwide there is over a quadrillion dollars in debt today. That debt is based upon people consuming today with the promise of paying it back in the future. That is what our national bank has done for us, indentured us with their easy credit.

The other part of the Jefferson quote was that ... "If you allow the bankers to control your money supply, they will take back what your forefathers fought for first through inflation and then through deflation." It seems very apparent that we saw massive inflation in the prices of our homes/land and we are seeing an unwinding of that.

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Steve Lewis 3 years, 9 months ago

Rick's letter is a self-revealing view of what he believes liberals are about. Its a disappointment when someone exhibits such narrow, insulting views of his opposition. Only a fool would accept the beliefs he ascribes to liberals.

For Rick its apparently all about wealth creation. So which side gets to be about clean air and water? Education? Transit? Human welfare? From reading Rick's views, I guess that would have to be the Liberals.

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sledneck 3 years, 9 months ago

Your letter is revealing too, Lewi.

Education? You want to brag about the great job liberals have done with education???

Welfare? You want to claim success for 50 years of welfare that have more minorities dependant than when it began?

Transit? Amtrack is a liberal idea. As a business model it totally SUCKS! Light rail, carpool lanes, etc. All a joke.

Clean air, water and trees are always claimed by liberals but who makes the water filtration plants? Where did the technology come from for the smoke scrubbers on the coal plants? They came from industry and technology that liberals would have smashed if they had their way.

Trees? For God's sake man, look around you! Who's policies do you think are responsible for all those dead pine trees you see? The only patches of green are where NON-LIBERAL loggers were allowed to use the resources. The pine situation is a CLASSIC example of liberals "protecting" the forest to death... literally.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

Are you that insecure or shallow where you only understand one or the other? That sucks, man. I'm glad I've grown up from that train(wreck) of thought. It doesn't sound like something an independent thinker would say, since independent thinkers can usually understand that most people can't be fully explained on a single level. And this is why Congress is where it's at- because everyone has a "my way or the highway" mentality. If you want that, go become an emperor somewhere. (You might even get new clothes!) You'll be happier.

is this because, as you yourself said, that you can't figure me out? LOL!!

Oh- how does one prove they are either socialist or capitalist when they are anonymous? Lip service is just that- lip service. A lot of anonymous folk will talk (and I won't say "good") a game, but you can't ever see if they walk that talk also.

So which are you, and how will you prove it to anyone?

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

"Obama Violates Own Executive Order, Funds Abortions" http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/4602214408.html

"CBO: Health Care Bill Will Cost $115 Billion More Than Previously Assessed" http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/cbo-health-care-bill-will-cost-115-billion-more-than-previously-assessed.html

"Racial, Gender Quotas in the Financial Bill?" http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2010/07/08/diversity_in_the_financial_sector_98562.html

"The bill all but guarantees bailouts as far as the eye can see, while failing to address real problems like Fan and Fred and our outdated bankruptcy code" http://geoffdavis.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=193958

"The Media Fall for Phony 'Jobs' Claims" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124451592762396883.html

"Ex–DoJ lawyer: Holder won't prosecute blacks" http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=173117

Vote em all out. Save the USA from the liars, commies and fascists.

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ybul 3 years, 9 months ago

I think a better way of labeling it is an individualist or a collectivist. Bottom up decision making versus top down. It is also that simple in reality, thinking that big brother needs to watch over our every decision is silly. That is what it is becoming.

The only thing government needs to do is to protect the rights of the individual wether property or other.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

yvb- And it's all relative. You feel a need to label people, just like I labeled you, based on a need to even ask such a question, as either possibly insecure or shallow. And if you have nothing to prove to anyone, why post the way you do? All the people with nothing to prove...don't post on forums, usually.

Being anonymous on a forum is only a way to spout off without worrying about who you tick off. Nothing more. Everyone says "I can say it to your face!" And then they don't. You'll see I don't have that problem. It isn't a need to know who you are; it's just that anyone who says anything personal about themselves anonymously can't be readily proven, so why bother? For all I know, you could be a liar due to just that. You might be, or you might not be. It's a "grain of salt" kinda thing. You say that I know who you are- not until you tell me, at this point. I can guess, but I'm not sure.

And yes- by not drinking the KoolAid, I do indeed stay thirsty! Thanks for caring!

And seeuski, as usual, you missed it. YVB says only Socialists and Capitalists. Liars, commies and fascists don't exist. So pick one once the ADHD clears.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

"Sen. Bob Bennett of Utah and Rep. Bob Inglis of South Carolina were bounced in their Republican primaries in large part because they voted for the Wall Street bailout." http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11983

"Financial Reform Bill Won't Stop Next Crisis" http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11916

Arguing with idiots is overrated YVB.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

"Mr. President, Karl Marx is Dead." "To achieve his goal of transforming our system of government he would need to do so without alarming the public that they are about to become subjects of an all powerful Washington dedicated to the principles laid down by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. Americans need to be convinced that in enduring recurrent recessions they are victims of such villains as something known collectively as Wall Street, or the hated rich who are determined to keep them subjugated and under their greedy thumbs." http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25408

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

ybul- very good thought. It makes me wonder, though- are we already there? Does not the minority in Congress able to hold up things? (Both sides have done this when in the minority, so I'm not picking on just one party) Doesn't that constitute "bottom-up" in a way?

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

Oops- "Does not the minority in Congress have the ability to hold up things?"

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

I posted on this subject many months ago. Does it matter? It should. We have a nice lady from here in Steamboat who regularly sends in letters to the pilot about her Kenyan experiences. I am sure she has some insight about the Luo's. Does anyone know why Obama sent back the bust of Churchill? Churchill stopped the Luo's campaign of terror back in 1952 when Obama's granddaddy was a member of the tribe.

"Ex-prosecutor: Obama's Kenyan activities may be 'criminal' http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=179961

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

Looks like someone forgot the lithium this morning again. Sounds like a bad Mel Gibson/Julia Roberts movie.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

You know, the Kenyans have taps on your phones, right? They're letting me know this right now, since I've had the time to take the foil hat off.

Ooooohhhhh, you guys are better than Abbott & Costello! "Who's on first?" "Obamasakenyan." Heyyyyyyy, Aaaaabbbboooootttttttt!

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knee_dropper 3 years, 9 months ago

Right yvb, why don't you post a link to where you got that birth cert from? Kind of like this one, or the many others on factcheck -

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Here's a link to an interesting story on npr that explains the delusions frequently posted on these forums -

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128490874

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jimmmmmm 3 years, 9 months ago

Thanks for posting that Knee-dropper, but I think that might be too much factual information for yvb and Seeuski. Yvb found himself a better birth certificate on the internets. Now Seeuski has a copy of it. That's all they need to keep their bs afloat. Let me guess birthers, the birth announcement in the newspaper was all part of this grand scheme, wasn't it.

Whew boy, keep it up. Just gets crazier and crazier.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

I'll sell you Obama's birth certificate for $5.00...no, $10.00, if you really want it. (Is that capitalistic or socialistic? Nah, I guess if I was taking it from Obama and only giving it away, that would be socialistic.) I'll actually bet that Obama was never born, so that's why there is no birth certificate. He was bred in the Kenyan Test Tube fields, from the stem cells of whatever crashed there in the '40's. Yes, folks- Kenya is the true Area 51! And Obama's blood is Democrat blue...until you mix it with a special Sickle handle that has been crushed into a powder with a special Hammer with a single star on it. Egads! When you drizzle that blood like a demi-glaze over Freedom Fries, it causes a small explosion!

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ybul 3 years, 9 months ago

bottom up would be decision making from the individual, local, state levels as opposed to the feds telling us what our schools should serve for lunch, telling us how to manage our livestock, etc.

has nothing to do with the minority blocking legislation. To be quite frank, we really only have the corporate party today.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

ybul- this is true. Trickle down from corporate isn't the best, but it works to a degree. Just not always in the individual's favor. But, that's how we roll! In Steamboat when times are good, the individual does control the market in employment. The competition is fierce, and there aren't always enough workers to go around. We're just facing the reverse at this moment- not enough jobs. It's cyclical. Been through it here a few times, in my life.

yvb- Are we done with the Rolling Stones lyrics? Or were you alluding to something more sinister pertaining to the song? (You forgot the word "please" in your line, though.)

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Jeff Kibler 3 years, 9 months ago

Actually it's: "Please allow me to introduce myself ..."

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

Jeff- a later stanza starts out "Let me please introduce myself," but yours starts the beginning of the song. (I was bored and reaching.)

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Jeff Kibler 3 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, you're right. After playing that song so many times in so many bars, I can still play all the lead parts, but can't reach the ending "ooo, ooo" high notes anymore.

It's one of those things where you need a stimulus that elicits a response. Once someone in the collective missive of miscreant musicians actually recalls the intro, a swelling of synapses kicks in, and a song is magically performed.

i.e. I can't remember lyrics for $hit, but once the groove arrives, it's all smooth sailing.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

Me too. A few years ago, going show to show, I'd forget one show's songs and move straight to the next. GIGO.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

"Hawaii elections clerk: Obama not born here" "A college instructor who worked as senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State." http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=165041

""Anyone can get that [Certification of Live Birth]," said Adams. "They are normally given if you give birth at home or while traveling overseas. We have a lot of Asian population [in Hawaii]. It's quite common for people to come back and get that."

It was the Hillary Clinton campaign that started the birther movement and it can all end if the POTUS would just produce his actual long form BC that shows the DR and Hospital. What's the BFD? Why not just do it and shut all of us birthers up? We are terrible people you know, wanting our President to be an actual US citizen, what a concept.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

lol @ yvb!! So when you say, "you know who I am" does that mean you are also seeuski, depending on the mood of the day? Both of you just make me laugh til I'm crying sometimes. (I'm trying not to associate your handle with the 2 gents who use that name in their act. It would just crush any percerptions I have for either of them beyond just singing.)

Tell you what- when you both get a copy of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate, then, I'll say you have a point. Don't give me a link to some scan, since that doesn't satisfy birthers- show me his Kenyan Certificate of Live Birth. And if Hillary's camp started the whole Birther issue, why is she working for him? You'd think that with the power she carries behind her, she'd have gotten somewhere with it. (And why would you trust Hillary, considering she's a Lefty?) And the guy 'ski quotes as working for the Election Clerk Office was a Hillary supporter who voted for McCain when she didn't get the nomination. That gives motive for lying or trying to keep that fire burning. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. Since the accusers can't supply anything to say he WASN'T born in the US, they'll just take the chestnut that the Republicans used to say Dems did all the Bush years: It's the accusation that matters, not whether there's proof or not. To top it all off, everyone already says that Adams never had access to that type of information. Obama was not registering to vote in Hawaii, so there would not have been even a need to have access to his birth certificate. His job was a low-level, data entry. And, if his actions for just looking on the whatever database he had access to (HBI? Equivalent to CBI?) without a legal reason to do so, would normally be a serious no-no & would most likely get fired or worse, depending on what he actually tried to do.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/06/there_are_some_people_who.html

Now, do you know any other people who do Tim Adams line of work for elections? Ask them what information they'll have access to and why. Where are all the other election clerks that say whether or not there is a birth certificate, Tim Adams is correct in his assessment of what information he is or isn't allowed to see.

So, you have the right to ask for his US COLB as proof, but I personally don't care about it. You know why? Because. So, you two are about the only ones who take each other even halfway seriously. Suffice to say: you both are for entertainment purposes only...just like the old 900 phone numbers, except probably not as much fun.

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Scott Wedel 3 years, 9 months ago

And remember, Obama's parents knew that Barack (despite his name), already a US citizen because his mom was a US citizen, was going to be President and thus needed to be a "natural born" US citizen, but being born in Kenya they needed to start a grand conspiracy that would come to fruition 47 years later by immediately placed birth announcements in both Honolulu newspapers.

Remember liberals are great at planning far reaching conspiracies and planning 47 years ahead, but are incompetent at everything else.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

"Maryland Becomes Second State to Offer Federally Funded Abortions under Obamacare" http://cnsnews.com/news/article/69559

"You Lie"

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sledneck 3 years, 9 months ago

Actually, there is no doubt in my mind... NONE that communists from the Macarthy era had a plan to destroy our schools, etc and it has obviously worked beautifully for them. They have destroyed the schools, infiltrated government at all... ALL levels, convinced millions that it will work here when it has NEVER worked anywhere else on Earth. But, with the public fool system hope springs eternal for communists.

Communists have patience but the central planning idea (their ultimate goal) destroys their economy. The inefficiency of central planning kills the nations that try it every time. re: F A Hayeck The Road to Serfdom. That is why communists eventually have to kill their own people to keep them from leaving.

Peristroika: A Russian word that means "we're out of food and bullets".

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

When Pelosi said "we would have to pass it to know what's in it" she obviously new it was more socialism.

"Amendment Slipped Into Health Care Legislation Would Track, Tax Coin and Bullion Transactions" http://abcnews.go.com/Business/gold-coin-dealers-decry-tax-law/story?id=11211611

And WOW, that came from ABC News not FOX. Where are all my friends who attacked me for posting that the IRS would grow by 16,000 workers if the bill was passed? Chirp,chirp.

Today we get the Finance bill from the POTUS, can't wait to see what that has in store for us.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

LOL! So, per yvb's instruction, I sent a Contact thru here to see what's what. Next thing I know, yvb's asking for my personal email. Considering yvb told me flat out in a post above that I know who they are, you'd think yvb would already have my email addy.

I just can't figure out why my email addy is needed. If there is truly a Kenyan birth certificate, I'd imagine the Pilot would have no problem printing it & possibly paying to authenticate it. (I know, I know- why would they pay to authenicate something scribbled by crayon on construction paper. Silly me for even thinking that!)

Now, yvb is just another person looking to spam email. Try to be nice and treat the loons like real people and this is what you get. Tell ya what, yvb- just fax that thing on over. Got a pen? It's 1-900-GET-REAL.

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sledneck 3 years, 9 months ago

proving something is true does not guarantee it gets in the "pile-it". The Black Panthers story is true (and proven on video) but how much of it is in the "pile-it"?

Assuming that all truth finds its way to the main-stream press is fool-hardy.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

Fine. No need for email. yvb can just meet me (with a Reagan mask, if that helps) at the Pilot or some other place, and show those certs in person. Birthers won't accept a scan or link...why shouldn't I expect the same in reverse?

And the Pilot is a local paper, not big on the national scene. I could care less about the Black Panthers story since it's plastered everywhere else. With the Pilot, I didn't have to hear about it for 800th time in a single day. I wouldn't characterize the Pilot as mainstream media. Every media is mainstream unless you are broadcasting on UHF.

Funny how someone who doesn't seem to enjoy reading the Pilot seems to enjoy being read by other people on the Pilot's forums.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

Then let's meet in person at a public place, where you can were a mask, burqua, whatever, to hide your true ID. Remember- no scans or anything. You won't accept that on his Hawaiian cert, so why should I accept any different? Plus, I don't use straw emails. Got one that I like, and that's it. As I have said- if I "know who you are," you most likely already have my email. I'm sure you have a straw email that you could send it from so as to keep your secret identity intact.

You could join Facebook and post them there, if you really wanted people to see them. Heck- I'm sure Sarah Palin would post them on Facebook for you. Of course, getting to see them in person will allow an expert to "refudiate" them. LOL!

C'mon & work for it- make a real effort! If Kenyan birth certs are what you want to show the world, you'd think this would be big enough to truly prove your point and you'd want more than a handful of people to see them. Plus, I'd imagine some people on this site have contacted you already out of morbid curiosity, just like stopping to see a car wreck, correct? I haven't seen any posts saying anything about them. Why is everyone so hush-hush over it? (and other loons like seeuski don't count- seeuski already sees things besides u skiing, and they don't always seem to be there when anyone else looks.)

Make the real effort and nobody will be able to "misunderestimate" you ever again. It will shock the world like a "nukuler" bomb!

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 9 months ago

If you have nothing to prove to anyone...why do you keep bringing it up? LOL! Again- you had a post a week or so ago about all the people looking for this info & contacting you. Where are they on this whole issue?

So yeah- I think a lot of the birthers are huffin' ether. Either that or just sniffing glue. It still means you're all full of something other than ether or glue, though. Prove it or STFU, Donny.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree with you jimmmmmmmmmm, it is a dam shame that Obama is hiding his BC and all of his college transcripts among other things. It sucks wondering who this man really is and where he came from. Who funded his college tuition? Why does Obama think it is humanitarian to let the Lockerbie bomber out? Why did Obama say not to jump to conclusions regarding the Ft. Hood terrorist but he called the Mass Cop stupid after saying he didn't know the facts? Why is he suing AZ but letting the criminal New Black Panthers off after they were found guilty of voter intimidation? Who is this POTUS and where is he from? Many Americans would like to know.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

I would love to hear some responses from some forum members regarding Oliver Stones comments about Jews. If anyone from the right made such horrific statements the media would be aflutter with condemnation. But what do I know, the New Black Panther party deserves a break from the media and the Tea Party (middle America) is the true racists. Hypocrites.

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

Where are the Jews in NYC? Here! http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

Thanks for the response, did Bloomberg make statements towards any religion that would incite hatred or violence? I don't like Bloomberg, but I don't like your garbage any more. Who is your priest?

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seeuski 3 years, 9 months ago

@YVB

Thanks for clearing it up today, peace.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 8 months ago

I take it you did indeed Google it. Right on! Honestly, I've never even watched the movie. Always meant to, though.

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 8 months ago

YVB- What, no other moments of lucidity for comebacks, or did finally picking up a Dictionary & Thesaurus eventually bore you?

seeuski- How many "someones" did you mean?

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Matthew Stoddard 3 years, 8 months ago

Only ones? Good job at avoiding the spelling issue that time. I know numbers confuse you, and I'm afraid for you since spelling them out might do irreparable damage.

Do you even understand what "punked" means, or are you trying to act hip like Michael Steele? You can probably borrow yvb's dictionary. He's probably finished with it for a while after that last post. Learning new things always comes hard. See if you can find "refudiate" in there, while you're at it. It should be somewhere between "rectal" and "regressive."

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