Parents, police worry marijuana dispensaries confuse kids

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— Parent Julie Carta is concerned that the opening of medical marijuana dispensaries in Steamboat Springs sends a confusing message to children.

Since August, three dispensaries have begun offering medical marijuana to registered patients. The city instituted a moratorium, providing time to draft a policy that allowed it to regulate the businesses.

On Jan. 5, the City Council adopted an ordinance that allows two for-profit dispensaries and one cooperative to operate in Steamboat. They are D and C Medical Marijuana and Therapeutic Massage, 410 S. Lincoln Ave.; Rocky Mount­ain Remedies, 2750 Downhill Plaza; and Natural Choice Co-op, 1169 Hilltop Parkway.

That doesn’t sit well with Carta, whose 13-year-old son is a seventh-grader at Steamboat Springs Middle School.

“I think it’s a farce,” she said. “I think it’s going to make it a lot easier for people to get marijuana. It’s still a drug. It’s still illegal.”

Carta said she thinks it’s confusing for kids that licensed patients can legally obtain an illegal drug.

Passage of Colorado’s Amend­ment 20 in 2001 made medical marijuana use legal with restrictions and a doctor’s recommendation.

The city’s ordinance stipulates that dispensaries operate in commercial or industrial areas, be at least 500 feet from a school and not have signage that advertises the availability of marijuana.

Drug education

Since Routt County Sheriff Gary Wall discontinued the county’s D.A.R.E. program in June 2006, only the Hayden School District has a D.A.R.E. program. D.A.R.E. stands for Drug Abuse Resistance Education.

Hayden Police Chief Ray Birch said grant funding allows part-time officer Storm Fallon to teach D.A.R.E. classes every Tuesday at Hayden Valley Elem­entary School. He said Fallon, who recently joined the department after 15 years as an officer in Craig, taught D.A.R.E. classes there.

Birch said Hayden also participates in Red Ribbon Week, a national drug prevention program typically held the last week in October. Birch said students at each district school participate in activities during the week.

South Routt Superintendent Scott Mader said the district also has participated in Red Ribbon Week. He said drug and alcohol prevention education is provided in high school health classes. High school students also are given a presentation about the dangers of drugs and alcohol before prom, Mader said.

In Steamboat, police Capt. Joel Rae said School Resource Officer Josh Carrell work with the high school health class to provide education. He said Grand Futures Prevention Coalition, which serves Routt, Moffat and Grand counties, also assists the district with education efforts.

Rae said Carrell’s employment as the high school’s resource officer could open the door for drug and alcohol prevention at the middle school. At Strawberry Park and Soda Creek elementary schools, Rae said students are taught not to talk to strangers but aren’t given instruction about drugs and alcohol.

The opening of medical marijuana dispensaries in Steamboat may lead to additional education efforts, Rae said.

“I think it probably does necessitate further education about the hazards and the harmful effects,” he said. “I think the dispensaries opening up certainly does send a conflicting message. The bottom line is that marijuana is still illegal at the federal level, still illegal at state level and still illegal at a local level. The only exception is having a (license).”

Mixed message

Rae isn’t the only local law enforcement officer who thinks medical marijuana dispensaries send a mixed message to children.

“If you ask me if it concerns me, the answer is yes,” Birch said. “We have these programs we work so hard with, like Red Ribbon Week and D.A.R.E., and then to have kids walk a few blocks away from school and walk by a place that offers food products with marijuana definitely sends a mixed message to kids.”

No medical marijuana dispensaries have opened in Hayden. The Oak Creek Town Board approved a conditional business license Jan. 28 for the town’s first dispensary. The six-month license was a compromise to a proposed 60-day moratorium. The town plans to work in the next couple of months to draft a formal ordinance.

Steamboat Springs School District Superintendent Shalee Cunningham declined to say whether she thought the opening of dispensaries sent a mixed message to students.

“It hasn’t been anything that we’ve discussed,” she said. “It hasn’t come up, I think, because it’s an adult opportunity.”

Mader also declined to say whether he thought dispensaries may be a confusing issue for students.

“We’ll leave that up to the legislature, law enforcement and health officials to weigh in on the issues,” he said.

Legislation

Steamboat Springs City Coun­cil member Jon Quinn said the lack of agreement between medical marijuana laws at the federal, state and local levels creates confusion.

“I think right now, the truth is we have an awful mishmash of rules and laws at the state and local levels,” he said. “It sends a mixed message to everybody. Right now, we’re in desperate need for guidance from the state and federal level.”

But he acknowledged that changes at the federal level might not come any time soon.

In October, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced formal guidelines for federal prosecutors in states that have enacted laws that permit medical marijuana use. Those guidelines include not prosecuting medical marijuana users who adhere to state laws.

Led by Sen. Chris Romer, a Denver Democrat, state lawmakers announced a bill Wednes­day that would force existing retail dispensaries to operate as nonprofits, The Denver Post reported. The bill would place an 18-month moratorium on new dispensaries, require criminal background checks for owners and employees and prohibit people convicted of felonies or drug-related misdemeanors from getting licenses.

The Denver Post story stated that the bill would not require small-scale providers — with five or fewer patients — to be licensed and would qualify them for protection for medical marijuana caregivers provided by the state constitution. Large-scale providers, or dispensaries, wouldn’t have the same protection, giving counties and cities broader authority to regulate or even ban them.

Medical marijuana advocates have filed a ballot initiative to take the issue to voters, according to a story Thursday in The Denver Post. The initiative would require about 75,000 signatures.

Quinn said Steamboat’s ordinance governing medical marijuana dispensaries isn’t perfect. He said the City Council may have to revisit the ordinance and that it could do so if new state legislation is adopted.

Rae said state laws governing medical marijuana dispensaries are a mess and that people are abusing the system. Birch agreed and said he fears that dispensaries could lead to robberies and break-ins at businesses that grow and store marijuana.

But Rae and Birch said they weren’t opposed to marijuana use for legitimate medical reasons if it’s done legally.

Carta is of the opinion that marijuana shouldn’t be legal in any form, even for medicinal purposes.

“I don’t understand how we as adults can say it’s illegal, but it’s OK for this,” she said. “We have to, as adults in this city, whether we have kids or not, say no. This is wrong. It’s an illegal, mind-altering drug. I just think it’s important for the kids.”

Comments

Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

This is what used to be called flamebait.

And EDITOR - how in the world can you write an article on mmj, something that the voters passed, without talking to a single supporter, but talk to a critic? The vote count should indicate clearly enough that there is no shortage of supporters.

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jk 4 years, 2 months ago

Unbelievable!!! The more I read this paper it becomes very clear it is just a pathway for them to shove their views down our throughts!! What ever happened to reporting the news Brent?? At best this article should be on the opinion page, not the front page.

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1999 4 years, 2 months ago

ask any law enforcement person or parent and you will find that prescription drugs are a far far far far bigger problem for our youth than marijuana.

hey Julie...what do you have in YOUR medicine cabinet?

of course these DRUGS are legal and available with a prescription just like MM.

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JJ Southard 4 years, 2 months ago

Mrs. Carta,

As the founding director of the co-op that is opening in town, it saddens me that you hold such conservative views which are based, for the most part, on misunderstanding. I love children and value their safety. I graduated college with a degree in psychology, focusing on children. I can 110% guarantee that there are no "kids" in this community getting their hands on any medical marijuana. Well over 70% of the citizens of Colorado voted that people should have the option to use, possess and culitvate marijuana for medicinal purposes. There is a reason for this, and that is that marijuana has a multitude of medicinal uses proven by decades of research. In the most recent past decade, an unbelievable amount of research has surfaced elevating marijuana to new levels of medicinal purpose; treating cancer itself (not just the symptoms of chemotherapy), giving life back to glaucoma patients, relieving migraine headaches like no other medicine does....Doctors have pin-pointed the reason why marijuana is such a comprehensive medicine, it's due to what is called the Endo-Cannabinoid Nervous System. This nervous system, seperate from our other nervous systems of the human body, reacts only to cannabinoids, specifically CBD1 and CBD2, which are known know to protect the human body from cancer and treat the people whom already have cancerous tumors. Read about it, Mrs. Carta, please. Or email me at naturalchoiceco_op@yahoo.com and I will gladly help you clear up the falsities that you cling so tightly too. I can guarantee that you middle schoolers are experience much worse influence from their TV shows, their friends at school, you name it....they are being influenced. But, it is up to YOU as a parent to guide your child to the truth. Sheltering the children from the truth on creates a more confusing and rebelious situation in the future. Please, I beg of you to explain to your child the truth of medical marijuana.....don't believe the hype of yesteryear.... Whether you believe medical marijuana is a farce or not is your own perogative, but please don't feed your own misguided untruths to your child.

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kathy foos 4 years, 2 months ago

Theres need to educate the school kids, parents, and anyone concerned about the law , about election in a democratic country.This is voter approved and what is going on here with these people is, that they are trying to take away a law without proper process,it harrasment and actually begins to be a hate crime because of the predjuice.maybe there should be some harrasment charges filed, if predjucided people are to continue this witch hunt.Its not O.K.What is scary is that no one mentions , the drinking injuries and deaths amoung the children lately and long ago,that is a legal issue where people can be charged,and its killing and injuring kids.and people rarely get charged for doing it .What is the mixed message ?Educate yourselves first and stop the discrimination or hopefully you will be charged for it soon.I hope the card holders,start personally sueing for this garbage ,maybe the only way to put and end to this crap. TRUTH,that what you tell a kid.

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greenwash 4 years, 2 months ago

How about 2+ full pages of ads devoted to lIquor sales?

How many MWI I mean DWI will there be tonite?

But no problem letting your son or daughter take Ritalin?

Do you know why so many people feel the way they do about MMJ ???

Its called Church.

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JJ Southard 4 years, 2 months ago

To officer Rae and anyone else whom is concerned,

I am not in this business for the reason of legalizing marijuana. I am in this business because for over 10 years, I needed medicine that worked and every avenue that every doctor tried did not work. Marijuana works for me in many ways and my life is better and more productive than it ever has been. Do I think everyone needs marijuana? NO. Do I think it should be available like beer or cigarettes? NO. Do I think alcohol and cigarettes should be available at all? NO. They don't help anybody... ever, (but in America people have the right drink as much alcohol and smoke as many cigarettes as they want in their own home til they die or kill someone else....why is marijuana or any other drug different????) Medical Marijuana helps people (who can responsibly use it), who are truly sick people, seek it out for medicinal purposes, and In This Republic, For Which it Stands, One Nation Under GOD"..... they should HAVE that option. Conservatives have been restricting the freedoms of Americans for far too long, much to their own demise. Wise up people!!

Take for an example Valerian Root or even Kava Kava. Valium is a synthetic molecule designed to mimic Valerian Root in very potent concentrated amounts. Valerian can be concentrated to be very potent in and of itself. Same with Kava Kava. I have seen videos of New Guniea Tribes wasted on Kava Kava. Marijuana is the same thing. A plant. No different. In concentrated forms and when misued, it can cause harm & is a mind-altering drug. Alcohol is the same way, yet we sell it everywhere (isn't that confusing to our children too??). And cigarettes, they actually can quickly cause one of the most horrendous cancers known to man... killing hundreds of people daily around the world, but we sell those cigarettes everywhere with little cartoons on them enticing children by the minute (isn't that confusing to middle-schoolers too??).

 Now, I will state this, and it may not fly over to well with my medical marijuana-using acquaintances, but here it goes..... There is a ginormous flaw in the medical marijuana system of Colorado. The Doctors.  When the state hurrys up and puts some regulations on the doctors, than the system will begin to truly cater to the sick and needy and not to the pot-enthusiasts.  I want to truly supply medical marijuana to those who truly need it, not to someone who went to some quack doctor, who only cares about getting a couple hundred bucks per person and cares nothing about the true medical needs and the integrity of this industry.  California is not helping.  Prop 215 in Cali & Amendment 20 in Colorado are for "Medical Marijuana" not out-right "Legalization."  When a law comes to the ballot for out-right legalization I will begin another fight.  But, for now, I am fighting for what is the law, and that is Medical Marijuana.

cont.

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Brent Boyer 4 years, 2 months ago

jk: I'm sorry you feel that way about the paper. Our intent with this story was simply to explore another of the many interesting facets to the medical marijuana issue facing communities across the state. As for the Editorial Board's opinion about medical marijuana, I would refer you to the two related editorials we have published in the past six months.

and

Thanks, Brent

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JJ Southard 4 years, 2 months ago

cont.

Officer Rae, please don't detract from the truth that banks, alcohol stores, & convenience stores get robbed WAY more often than dispensaries ever have in Colorado or California. The reason they are being robbed in Colorado currently is because of the lack of regulations that keep dispensaries and the owners of them safe. Banks hold money...People get desperate and need money.... Banks have always had strict security mandates. Dispensaries in Steamboat have them now too. It's coming in Denver, so the robbers will become less enticed.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

Ya know, it's funny that we never see any articles that speak against alcohol because of the exorbitant amount of alcohol related offenses that occur in this county.

Overall, the tone of this article is absolutely disgusting and the paper ought to be ashamed of itself for taking part in such propaganda distribution. You'd think that after Starbucks, North Face and a few other companies, rescinded their support of an anti-marijuana organization(after the organization chose to publicly 'out' their support for them), that maybe more businesses would have picked up on how detrimental it can be to support the cannabis prohibition. SAFER(an organization that promotes cannabis use over alcohol use) called for a national boycott of the businesses listed as being in support of continuing the current prohibition. And it worked. Starbucks and many of the companies that appeared on the list have since put considerable effort into distancing themselves from the organization as much as possible. The organization has even shut their website down. I'm no news reporter, journalist or anything else that would imply that I should be able to easily/readily recognize "news" or "popular opinion"(sarcastically jabbing at the difficulty of such a job), but even I can see that the national tone towards toking is beginning to change pitch. As a matter of fact, it's beginning to sound more and more like coughing.

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JJ Southard 4 years, 2 months ago

And lastly (and I won't be back on here to reply to any ridiculous remarks by any of the trolls that frequent these comment threads)...

To the Steamboat Pilot & Today,

The approach you and your reporters have taken to the MMJ Dispensary Industry in Steamboat and elsewhere has bothered me since the first article that was printed in this paper. The Pilot & Today, as an Award-Winning Publication, have turned this legitimate industry into a joke in our community. From the time you printed big jars of marijuana on the front page of a Friday edition, to the ridiculous viewpoints spewed from unknowledgable people, to the constant prying into the lives of those trying to be discreet in this PRIVATE industry... I have been disgusted. I hope you hold the blame on your shoulders for creating the mindset of people like Mrs. Carta, her children and others. What did you think the reaction would be from the community? Instead of approaching this VERY sensitive and controversial subject with tactful intelligence, you have jumped on it, as usual, with sensationalism journalist tactitcs and it is disgusting to me and to many patients of the region. Those jars of medicinal marijuana, that every conservative in the region scoffed at and poked fun at, did our businesses no good. We are already wading through an industry full of blackmarket integration, that we as business owners have to constantly filter out. To have the Steamboat Pilot & Today causing uproars against businesses is nearly defamation of business character. Plastering horrible pictures of dispensaries owners faces giganticly on the front of the newspaper is of very poor taste. I have stuggled to keep your reporters away from me and my co-op members specifically for this reason. I am not trying to let the Steamboat Pilot & Today turn me into one of "those guys". Allowing the community to make fun of me, my business or any of my co-op members. Steamboat strives to be a community above the other ski towns, holding a western mentality of family-values and down home honesty. I beg of you, Mr. Boyer, to truly edit your articles in a non-partisan manner, especially when they are in reflection of the reputation of a business that has yet to be able to even open.

Sincerely disgusted, Natural Choice Co-op

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

In the interest of being fair & balanced(and not the Fox news kind), I would think that it would behoove the Pilot to go ahead and do their job; investigate and report. Now that the city counsel has approved the operational status of all three dispensaries in town, maybe it'd be a good idea to do some sort of expose' piece on who these people are and what possible benefit(s) they, and their businesses, are capable of bestowing on the community in which they operate? Maybe send someone into these places to see(and report) that there are never any children at the counter or hanging out outside? Maybe instead of adding fuel to the fire, the journalists in your employ could go out and find some TRUTH to publish? Natural Choice Co-op opens this week. Would the Pilot dare cover the grand opening?

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JJ Southard 4 years, 2 months ago

Oh, I see you posted Mr. Boyer.... So that means you are reading my letter. Please take it to heart. The best thing news papers can do is leave the MMJ Dispensary Owners alone. We don't cater to the public. Our businesses don't effect the public.

Yes. You get more hits on your webpage because of these articles. But, I can guarantee that most of the general public of our region is sick of hearing about it. I am sick of hearing about it.

Yes. My business is an upstanding business that I am proud of. But, when the unknowledgable public is allowed to continuously spewed anti-marijuana sentiments that make no sense, then I view the articles as worthless and detrimental to my reputation.

This will be my last post ever on this website. I'm done wasting my time. Other patients of the region are doing a fine enough job barking up this tree.

Ugh

If anyone has any concerns, email me at naturalchoiceco_op @yahoo.com. I will not argue my points any further in a public forum filled with trolls that are not moderated unless they personally attack each other.

:(

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JJ Southard 4 years, 2 months ago

OK.... One last point.

We at Natural Choice Co-op do NOT want the Pilot to do an article about our business. Not sure what mmjpatient22 is getting at, but I just talked to him, so maybe he'll change his idea shortly.... LOL

See ya folks later... I'm done waking up to articles that ruin my day :(

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

Mea culpa... For me to try to provoke the Pilot into showing up at the grand opening wasn't right. It is not my business and not my place to invite scrutiny into it. As some of you know, sometimes things get covered a little one-sidedly. By printing information that easily inspires fear in parents(for their children), a certain 'demonization' takes place. My prodding was in an effort to have a more thorough job done of presenting both sides of a given coin. Sure, cannabis has been illegal and presented to the American people as evil for over 70 years. Subsequently, those that use cannabis have been made evil by association. But the scientific and medical truth(s) of the matter tell a different reality for cannabis. As stated, cannabis has been lied about for over 70 years in this country. It doesn't turn people into crazed killing/raping machines, it doesn't make it users 'stupid' or 'dumb' and mmj cardholders are not peddling pot to ANY of your children!!! When articles, such as the above, carry an attitude that supports perpetuation of the stereotypes that cannabis users have acquired over the years, it becomes something of passion for me. I have a strong dislike for lies, disinformation and half-truths. I've found that the best way to combat such things is with full, unaltered, unamended truth. I know many people that use cannabis daily and none of them are even fractionally as ridiculous as some of the boozers I know. The main point I was going for(however poorly I presented it), was that I would cherish the opportunity to personally discount/dispel/destroy some of the myths/stereotypes about cannabis and it's users.

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aichempty 4 years, 2 months ago

Parents don't need any help becoming scared for their kids.

The drug and alcohol abuse that's all around us is quite sufficient.

How many kids have died of NOT drinking, NOT smoking pot and NOT using drugs unlawfully?

If cannabis had been shown to prevent cancer in any meaningful way that didn't also make people stupid in the process, our government would be forcing all of us to use it to reduce health care spending. They'd be putting it in the water. Soldiers and sailors and their families would be required to use the stuff as a cost-savings measure.

It's easy for someone to post a well-worded essay on the benefits of marijuana, but not so easy to come up with the scientific proof required to convince the medical community at large. If pot was curing and preventing cancer in The Netherlands and Denmark, etc., we'd be hearing about it every day on the news.

Go ahead and use your medical marijuana for the licensed purpose and SHUT UP about it already. It's a folk remedy for a few ailments that gives people an excuse to get high in the process of "medicating" themselves. Just stay away from machinery and power tools, surgical instruments and other human beings who might need your help in an emergency while you're using it.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

Brent, So your defense of the article was that it was an attempt to explore the other side (fear mongering) of a volatile issue.

I simply do not understand how you can support the idea of an article in which a viewpoint shared by a minority of Colorado citizens is extensively quoted without getting a single quote from someone of the majority opinion.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

Aich- I thought you'd never show up. And great questions you opened with. I'll respond by asking some of my own. How many people die from alcohol poisoning in a given year? How many people die from pharmaceutical overdose in a given year? How many people die from hardcore drug(coke, heroin, meth) overdoses in a given year? How many deaths, in the entire history of mankind, can be attributed to an overdose on cannabis?

And I thought we already covered the whole "scientific evidence" thing. We're you not paying attention aich? Here it is again, just in case you wanted some actual information; http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2010/01/feds_wont_study_pots_benefits_only_negative_conseq.php

And here's your cancer curing news. Maybe you should look it up if you'd like to find it. All you have to do is go to google and punch in the words, "cannabis cures cancer." http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ http://www.nowpublic.com/thc_marijuana_helps_cure_cancer_says_harvard_study http://www.skepticnorth.com/2010/01/cannabis-cures-cancer.html

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trump_suit 4 years, 2 months ago

Yes Brent, How can you call this article "Fair and Balanced" You did not bother to include or interview even one dispensery owner or MMJ card holder. The only opinions expressed were those of law enforcement officials or citizens who are of the opinion:

"marijuana shouldn’t be legal in any form, even for medicinal purposes."

This is not reporting, but a localized witch hunt.

Aich, How about that poor ski instructor that was killed this year? Unfortunately there are examples everywhere. You should follow you own advice.

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muck 4 years, 2 months ago

HELLO ALL YOU "RACIST" SUPPORTERS!

If you would take the TIME and look up the following info provided to congress in 1937 from ANSLINGER

Here are some quotes that have been widely attributed to Anslinger and his Gore Files:

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

Which of the following are you? Because if your opposition?

Racisist Fear causing monger Like to Protection of Corporate Profits Belives in Yellow Journalism and propaganda Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or is a Corrupt politician Personal Career Advancement and Greed

or maybe you want to tell me what to do with our bodies?????

“I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast” ~Ronald Reagan

Now i will shut up if, you give me a viable reason WHY marijuana is illegal and will create any DIFFERENT social or economic or HEALTH problems that a HUGE CHEESEBURGER causes today!! Lets hear it!!!! LIE TO ME!!!

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1999 4 years, 2 months ago

this woman will probably vote for sarah palin for president too.

can't wait unil brent starts the sarah palin in 2012 "unbiased" reporting.

these people are ignorant and clearly enjoy staying that way.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

Hey, there's a lot of people that get their talking points from the O'Rielly Factor.

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muck 4 years, 2 months ago

Hey Brent will you guys do a online question and ask "Would you favor total de-criminalization of marijuana in Routt County" YES or NO?

Lets get some facts!!!

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

I don't know if they like featuring questions about such controversial material. The last time they had their 'question of the week' on marijuana their entire 'polling system' was proven useless and I don't think they liked the results. The attempt at setting up a real poll about marijuana proved to be nothing more than a click competition....great way to gather data(aka facts).

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muck 4 years, 2 months ago

mm what up with o'rielly????? link me baby!!

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

The O'Reilly(sorry about the previous spelling papa bear(again, sarcasm)) thing was mostly sarcastic. But if you're looking for some good O'Reilly humor..... http://video.foxnews.com/v/4001020/oreilly-vs-stewart/?playlist_id=87249

What a ....

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wzdeer 4 years, 2 months ago

I find it funny how unrealistic some parents are in this town. I work with high school kids and middle school kids on a regular basis in Steamboat and Craig. I hear what is going on in their school lives as well as outside the school. Some parents would be totally shocked to hear what I have heard and seen in my 18 years of interacting with these kids. The fact is....and most parents would not want to believe or hear it....is that the kids in Steamboat tell me it is way easier to get prescpt pills or marijuana in this town than alcohol. Any high school kid or middle school kid can make one phone call and have pot within a hr. I think these parents need to wake up and really communicate with their kids, so they don't walk around with blinders thinking their whole life and family is this perfect peachy thing. I am not a pot smoker and I have 2 strawberry park school kids.I am not against Med M....if it helps your issue than god bless. I know that as a parent I will not have some unrealistic view that my kids can't get hold of any kinds of drugs....I just hope they make a smart decision on there own from the advice of us as parents. Some of these parents in this town love to think everything is perfect. Do they know anything about these times. Do parents know that oral sex in the middle school is out of control. Do they know it happens on our school busses.Do they know more middle school kids are having anal sex...now more than ever...because they won't get pregnant. Do they know how bad high school sex is right now. Do they know where there kids really are on the weekends.I think we have way more serious issues in this town pertaining to our kids than wether or not someone is smoking or selling pot. Julie needs to stop worrying about what things will have an influence on her kids and rather start educating them and let them hopefully make informed decisions. Wake up parents of Steamboat.

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max huppert 4 years, 2 months ago

To Doctor Green, you are really stupid to think your comment about kids not getting medical M is true? I can call you out on that one, I dont care either way, its the parents job to educate kids and they should just make it legal since the whole medical thing is a joke.

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kathy foos 4 years, 2 months ago

Sometimes open debate is good when it is a voting matter,to clarify an issue and create participation,but in this case something is wrong.When a group is opposed to an issue and want to speak out they shouldnt have press time for it, an angry person can vent sour grapes on this site, they shouldnt be promoted by a newspaper on the front page .Does a racist skinhead get the top bill next week ,what about anti-gay groups,at least they are organized.This just serves no purpose but to create confusion. Is it rightl to dog this industry, and patients into the ground because you are angry that a law you dont agree with is in place?No its not O.K.Let your frusrations be told to your politicans , do something to change it,dont just beat down the people that are obeying the law for medical m.j.That is like saying I hate you,you have no right to be here,go away,when by our law, they are allowed to be here and be here without harrasment.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

There are at least 3 distinct opinions on mj. 1) Illegal dangerous drug 2) It has important beneficial medical effects. Probably should be illegal for the general population. 3) It is comparable to alcohol and tobacco in terms of negative health effects. Criminalization has completely failed to limit availability or reduce usage. Thus, more important to eliminate the criminal element of smuggling and distribution than trying to fight a hopeless cause. 3a) Legalization and regulation has a better chance of limiting availability to teens than current laws. It appears that mj is easier for teens to acquire than alcohol, though neither are very difficult.

Most medical marijuana laws are written with a relatively vague medical requirement and so are passed with the support of #2 and #3.

It can be argued that Colorado's mmj law is so vague on medical requirements (recommendation by a doctor) that it is the equivalent of legalization with strong regulation (patients have to register with state).

As for the concern of mj and kids expressed in the article.

First, the limited evidence so far suggests that mmj is reducing the illegal supply of mj and making it slightly harder for non mmj patients to get mj.

Second, it should be abundantly clear that kids view of mj is not affected by it's legal status. They view it essentially the same as tobacco and alcohol. It is illegal for teens to use, but widely used by adults.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

maxinc.... I sure would love to see a documented case of medical marijuana being sold(at the disensary) to a minor that was not in possession of a medical marijuana card.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

It doesn't really matter if there is some dispensary somewhere that sold to a minor.

If it did happen then it was incredibly stupid. That dispensary destroyed their legal business due to an illegal sale and committed additional crimes than if simply selling on the street.

A drug dealer that wants to sell to teens is not going to open a dispensary. The dispensary is too visible, has to follow too many rules (being a caregiver and growing only for patients) and has to keep too many records for it to be operated for anything other than selling mmj to patients.

Sure, there are some idiots that will break any rules, but that does not mean that the whole system is broken.

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aichempty 4 years, 2 months ago

Scott,

Besides licensed users, who else is legally authorized to possess pot? Since it's not controlled by the DEA as other pharmaceuticals are, how is accountability maintained?

A medical pot dispensary is the best cover story anybody who was selling to kids could possibly have. As long as you don't actually get caught in the act of selling to a kid, every thing else (getting it, transporting it, storing it and possessing it) is no longer a problem.

mmj,

All those things you point out about people being harmed by other substances are true.

So what?

Getting high is not a right. It's a privilege of responsible use by adults. Nobody in their right mind would suggest substituting one problem for another when addiction is the real issue.

It is quite apparent from all of your posts here and elsewhere that you absolutely LIVE to get high on pot. You want everybody else to do it too. That way you'll show everybody how normal it is. Sad. It's really sad.

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freerider 4 years, 2 months ago

Americans in General including parents need to be educated about Marijuana ....it's not a drug...it should be classified as an herb or plant which is what it is..you can't believe anything the government says about it as they have been lying to us about it since 1937 ...they have zero credibilty on this issue...I have 2 kids in middle school and if parents want to worry about something bad happening then you should worry about NICOTINE , and ALCOHOL ....The rage at the high school is a little different ...they are into PHARM party's and alcohol ....Hello anybody listening ??? ok I'll explain ...the kids raid their parents meds stash , pain killers , Oxy's , luuds , estasy , valium , you name it they steal it from mom and dad then put them all in a big fish bowl so you just help yourself to whatever then start drinking ... Julie Catra are you listening..?? hello again wake up and smell the real drug problem in Steamboat it comes from the drug store and mommy and daddy's drug cabinet. Pharmaceudical meds killed over 150 thousand people last year...30 to 35 thousand people bleed to death every year from aspirin alone...add in another million or so that die from nicotine and your worried about marijuana..?? deaths from marijuana last year = 0 infact nobody has ever died from a marijuana overdose , ever never ...JOEL RAE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE ALL LIAR'S ... bought and paid for government corporate liar's ......geeeez Brent when are you going to stop printing this crap .....did they get to you too..!!! Brent if your going to insist on printing marijuana article's then you need to start printing both sides of the story instead of bias one-way street garbage...I've been hearing the same old lies and crap for over 40 years now about marijuana from law enforcement which knows nothing about it...I'll bet you there isn't a Cop or DEA agent anywhere on this planet that has ever read the marijuana tax act of 1937 including Joel Rae

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

Law/drug enforcement could, in general, give less of two $#!+s about the origins of the marijuana prohibition. If a law is enacted that gives you personal job security, you're probably not going to put a whole lot of effort into finding out(or caring) why it was enacted. I mean, who cares? You got a job and a steady check, right? But at least some of 'em got it figured out... http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Aich- Where the hell do you get that I promote cannabis use for the entirety of the general public? I have said no such thing. I will, however, admit to being guilty of advocating the reinstatement of our right to freely access cannabis in any form. The federal stance on cannabis is ridiculous, based completely on lies and it supports TRUCK loads of tax-payer dollars being wasted on the arrest and prosecution industry set-up around marijuana. I think it's funny how everyone wants to talk about saving the economy and how much cutting back we need to do as a nation. Yet, no one wants to look at the BILLIONS of dollars that could be saved by skipping the jail thing for non-violent drug offenders(a vast majority of whom are guilty because of cannabis' legal status). Why isn't Washington being pressed harder to abolish this antiquated fiscal black-hole?

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muck 4 years, 2 months ago

Freerider

Don't forget RACIST also. They support and stand by and defend the most RACIST bill that this country has ever signed.

NOTE: Nobody will fight me on their RACIST veiws?????????????????

HELLO????????

WHY IS POT, GANGA, WEED, MARIJUANA, MARIHUANA, KIND REALLY ILLEGAL!! NOT YOUR OPINION! BY LAW! HOW DID IT BECOME ILLGEAL! WHY!

WHAT SCIENTIFIC STUDY SHOWED THE HARMFUL EFFECTS NOTED IN 1937. THE YEAR THE LAW WAS PASSED???

ANYONE OF YOU BRIGHT CHAPS WANT TO ENGLIGHTEN ME??

DUKE JML JUSTWONDERING

SPEW YOUR LIES TO US SO YOU CAN PROTECT YOUR JOBS!!

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muck 4 years, 2 months ago

Aich justwondering JML duke

I found a time worthy cause for you guys to try to force your DOMINANCE on others people's lives.

Here is a true horrible thing that if you band together your brain cells you can really find some folks that will listen and give a HOOT about your stance. I will even help in this cause because it is gonna be a TRY nationwide epidemic if we don't make laws to force people to not do what is bad for them!
So below is some basic info for YOUR new cause:

But despite its advantages, too much television can be detrimental:

•Children who consistently spend more than 4 hours per day watching TV are more likely to be overweight. •Kids who view violent acts are more likely to show aggressive behavior but also fear that the world is scary and that something bad will happen to them. •TV characters often depict risky behaviors, such as smoking and drinking, and also reinforce gender-role and racial stereotypes.

wait............ is tv a "GATEWAY DRUG"? GUYS (and gals)...................... ATTACK!!!!

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bubba 4 years, 2 months ago

No, I won't fight you on your racist claims, but do you really think that marijuana prohibition is the most racist bill (I assume you mean racially motivated) this country has ever had? Worse than slavery? Voter discrimination? Interment camps?

If you say so, I guess.

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aichempty 4 years, 2 months ago

Muck,

Yeah, TV is a gateway drug. I agree with you. Kids ought to be kept after school to play outside, do homework and all those other things my generation did because our mothers did not have to work to keep a roof over our heads.

The permissive society we live in today is responsible for many of our new-found personal freedoms (to be promiscuous, illegitimate, high on illegal drugs, etc.) as well as for the crime, child sexual abuse and other atrocities suffered by kids and families.

Your desire for a cheap high on demand is one of the things tearing this country apart. You don't need more freedom. You need more adult supervision.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

The racist claim is silly because then why was it outlawed by just about every developed country? All of Europe and Asia also motivated by racism?

Marijuana is psychologically active drug and those drugs were banned in the early 1900s. But unlike cocaine and heroin, mj is not physically addictive and does not have the horrendous health effects.

It was not unreasonable to ban it. It is not unreasonable for it to be illegal except that it is so widely used that we are funding gangs and smuggling by keeping it illegal. And as a drug it is comparable to tobacco and alcohol so while it would be best if it was not used, since people are using it then it would be better if it was legal and regulated. That is the best hope of reducing it's availability to teens. (Whom, btw, is the one group that should NOT be using it because developing brains should not be on any drugs).

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Glenn Little II 4 years, 2 months ago

What the hell no D.A.R.E. program! What kind of place is this. I went to D.A.R.E. so many times, but my family let me know that marijuana was more of a medicine than a drug.. I'm just glad I don't smoke tobacco.. lol From what I have heard from parents in this town and locals is that pharmaceutical pills and alcohol are being abused by minors. Maybe the kids would not be confused if you tell them the truth! Call the class TRUTH for the children instead of DARE who came up with that name anyway!?

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Glenn Little II 4 years, 2 months ago

The title of the article next time should be "Patients worry marijuana dispensaries confuse kids and there parents"

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

They might as well have titled this one ' Reefer Madness.'

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Clearsky 4 years, 2 months ago

If we are worried about the kids then we should not print adult subjects on the front page of the newspaper. We should not advertise sex, drugs, alcohol, fast cars, electronic products................. I agree that if it is an adult subject it should be available to adults and not children. How are we going to succeed? I'd rather have people keep the adult subjects away from the children until they are old enough to comprehend the whole picture . Legalization is fine. Exposing our children to any adult subject should be handled when they are developed enough to handle the truth about each subject. Does this make sense? Teaching kids about drugs in Kindergarten through DARE programs has shown an increase in drug use!!!!!!The sooner they know the sooner they experiment. Happened to a lot of us, I'm sure!

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freerider 4 years, 2 months ago

Hey Muck , nice to have you onboard , I'm very aware of the racist history behind the marijuana scam , William Randolf Hearst was the main player along with the textile and tobacco mills . Hearst hated mexicans and black jazz musicians but mainly he loved money and at the time newspapers were printed on hemp , well he wanted newspapers printed on wood pulp because he had invested a lot of money in wood mills and forestry products . He sold the bill of goods based on his hatred of blacks and mexicans . Now the main players are lobbyists for the drug companys and the A.M.A. . Also laundered drug money stuffs the pockets of our so called leaders in Washington D.C. [ congress and the house ] to keep drugs illegal because it's a billion dollar industry EVEN THE DRUG CARTELS GIVE MONEY TO CONGRESS to keep it illegal . The U.S.A. currently provides poppy growing operations in Afganistan . We have built irrigated orchards for them to grow and the C.I.A. pays off the presidents brother who is the biggest heroin dealer on the planet. Then I see a story like this about how some parent and the POLICE are concerned about the message we send to our kids....and how they are confused....In order to stop the confusion the police NEED TO TELL THE TRUTH....unfortunately they are programed corporate sheep that are unable to think and speak for themselves. The fact that marijuana is classified as a dangerous drug is insulting to anybody that has an I.Q. over 50 ...THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ONE SINGLE OVERDOSE FROM MARIJUANA .... I'm living proof that the government is full of what sheep deposit in the forest after eating...I've been smoking since 1969 ....40 years of it...I'm 55 and just got my annual checkup...no problems , no lung damage nothing ...can you imagine what a nicotine users lungs look like after 40 years of cigarettes..?? I ski everyday and am in tip top physical condition....I'll challenge any of the trolls on this board to meet me at the top of chute one anytime to see who wins that battle...I'm guessing they won't because bully's are cowards and should be treated as such...States right's are what's important to me and we are winning that war right now...the Feds have lost all credibillity with me as they have been bought and paid for by multi-national corporations...these idiots like Aich and JLM and Dukey boy are so stupid they don't even realize that they have been sold down the river to the Chinese and Saudi oil money ...We dishonor our heritage as Americans by letting the Feds sell us out to foreign corporations...that's the digg for me...Americans are not in charge of America anymore

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freerider 4 years, 2 months ago

DR.GreenGenes ....I would urge you to keep posting , don't let the trolls have this one...you have more support than you know...we are currently winning this battle as you are living proof of it...I never thought I would see the day that marijuana was sold legally over the counter ...I take my hat off to you sir...don't give up the fight...ignorance will be silenced and should be silenced once and for all. As a dispensary owner it's imporatant for you to speak out against arrogance and ignorance regarding marijauna issue's ...You have earned the right to walk the walk and talk the talk...keep it up my friend

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

If only the DEA douchery in Denver got the memo from the White House. How sad is it that the DEA has to sit around and wait for 9News to give them leads?

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/22558618/detail.html

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

That Denver DEA agent is probably looking to get fired and then use the notoriety of being fired to make money on the conservative lecture circuit.

Justice dept has changed their policy to follow state law regarding mmj. So that Denver DEA agent openly acted contrary to dept policy.

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JLM 4 years, 2 months ago

You are absolutely correct to lay the blame for any confusion about the enforcement of Federal law at the feet of the White House.

While Colorado has an absolute right to alter its State Constitution in any manner its citizens see fit, the Federal government --- particularly in the person of the Executive branch --- does not have the right to pick and choose which laws it would like to enforce this month or next.

As long as the Colorado Constitution conflicts with Federal law, there will be a problem. The President and the Attorney General rendered a huge disservice to the State of Colorado and other mmj states by "implying" that they would not enforce existing and unambigious Federal law pertaining to the growing and distribution of marijuana.

President Obama and AG Holder, in their naive and inexperienced manner, have attempted to enact a policy which is not within the authority of either the Executive or Judicial branches of the government to enact. Only the US Congress --- the Legislative branch of the government --- can make Federal law.

The State of Colorado bears some of the blame as it has allowed its citizenry to believe that the Amendment, enabling legislation and pertinent rules are "lawful" while knowing full well that they are, in fact, not. This is an irresponsible and reckless manner in which to govern its citizens.

This is a very, very serious matter as a sentence handed down by a Federal Judge in a Federal Court and issued under this law is not subject to parole.

This is what happens when you make it up as you are going along.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

JLM, I absolutely did not place the game at the White House.

I specifically blamed the DEA agent that has decided to act contrary to dept policy. There is absolutely no reason why this DEA agent had to violate dept policy. No court ordered him to act.

Policy is set all the time. This policy actually makes sense because it simply says good relations with local enforcement is important and so they will follow local laws. SF and Oakland had issues with dispensaries getting busted under W Bush and those city councils were prepared to play hardball and instruct their police depts to give no cooperation with federal officials on any drug cases. That caused other federal law enforcement depts such as the FBI to take notice and the feds stopped busting dispensaries.

And I am stunned that any conservative would oppose the idea of the federal govt respecting local laws especially when the local laws only affect local citizens. Ronald Reagan directed the Interior Dept to follow local laws regarding federal land including cases where other people were directly affected and wanted federal laws to be enforced. People such as downstream water users that were upset that cattle ranchers were being allowed to ignore stream bed protection laws.

The problem is when politics of opposing the "other" side becomes more important than any sense of ideological consistency.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

JLM- GET OVER IT MAN!!! You obviously stand to benefit from the status of marijuana remaining illegal. Most of the people in this country are sick and tired of funding America's multi-billion dollar war against cannabis. Honestly, who thinks locking up potheads is fiscally responsible? Do they REALLY pose a danger to society? When's the last time anyone saw a headline like, "Serial rapist stoner goes on killing spree!!!"? Doesn't happen.

And you wanna talk about making it up as you go along? What about those DEA agents? They never would have messed with that caregiver in Highlands Ranch if that story didn't air. They are mostly oblivious to what's going on and seem to be seriously underestimating the scale of this 'cannabis wave' that's sweeping the nation. The people simply don't care about what the DEA thinks any more. Just as bootleggers existed as a slap in the face of those that enforced the prohibition of alcohol, those involved in the current cannabis culture just don't recognize anyone's assumed right to tell us how to treat our bodies. It's just that simple. How dare they?

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

However, and maybe I just don't know about 'em, but I don't think many of the bootleggers had attorneys like this fighting for them.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2010/02/rob_corry_says_chris_bartkowic.php

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JLM 4 years, 2 months ago

@ sw ---

I was not speaking to you. I was speaking to YOU. If I had been speaking to you, I would have addressed you as I have above.

The examples that you cite are not criminal laws, they are at best Dept of the Interior policies. The idea that even the ultra-goofy Obama administration has FORMALLY instructed the DEA NOT to enforce Federal criminal drug laws is too goofy even for those two Constitutional wombat scholars Obama and Holder.

States should have the sense to coordinate and conform their laws and lawmaking to existing Federal laws. This routinely happens all the time in such obvious and archane matters as Federal v State gambling statutes, crimes committed in passage of State lines (the Mann Act, the Johnson Act) and the enforcement of laws on Federal lands. These are routine legal jurisdictional matters.

A competent Governor, Attorney General and a serious Legislature would not allow a State to enact legislation or to alter its Constitution in contravention to Federal law. There is a Supreme Court case just festering to be heard here somewhere.

But what the heck, WTF does this gibberish mean?

"The problem is when politics of opposing the "other" side becomes more important than any sense of ideological consistency."

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JLM 4 years, 2 months ago

@ mmj ---

Please tell me you are stoned as you are writing your rant. Please.

Marijuana is illegal. That may be awkward for you to grasp but sometimes the truth can be, well -------- awkward. Nonetheless, it is still the truth. Maybe not YOUR truth but for the rational folks, well, the truth is the truth. Awkward or not.

The DEA is not really that much into "polling" the sentiment of the public as to its popularity or what it should be spending its time on. Mostly the DEA is into enforcing the drug laws of this country and not so much into conducting focus groups or sensitivity training with potheads. The DEA doesn't work that way. The DEA is a law enforcement agency of the Federal government.

Hopefully they enforce the laws the same in all 57 States. Ooops, I meant all 54 States or is it 50? Hell, if the President doesn't know, how can I be expected to know? LOL

It is a pretty stupid lawbreaker who self-reports his crime in the newspaper while bragging how lucrative the crime is, no? Or is that what passes for intelligence amongst the "cannabis culture"?

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

JLM- Hey, I'm not arguing about how smart or dumb it was for this guy to publicize his profits from his work with cannabis. The point is, the DEA seems to be hellbent on ignoring anything that might come between them and a paycheck. It's all about keeping all of those jails filled with someone right? Can't just let 'em sit around vacant can we?

And please don't sit there and try to lecture me about truth. You're so far into your denial on the matter that you have to resort to bashing our president. In case you missed history class in elementary school, this government is to be of, for, and by the people. If the people vote on something that they think is wrong with the way things are being done(in THEIR government), should the peoples wish(es) be ignored or regarded as invalid? I think not. I'm pretty sure that's actually how this country came into existence in the first place. Does 'taxation without representation' ring a bell? And to tie it in with Scott's point(or at least what I think his point is), what is more important; making sure that you have an opponent and that they're wrong, or sticking to your guns regardless of who or what comes along? It appears as though Republicans have abandoned some of their core values in the pursuit of making sure the other guy has ample opportunity to face opposition. Last time I checked, we're all on team America, right? WTF happened to the team work?

And you oughta know by now. There's probably not that much of a chance that I ever get on here while not at least partially enjoying my life as a medical marijuana patient. Of coarse I'm 'stoned'. What a silly question!

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JLM 4 years, 2 months ago

@ mmj ---

"Of course I'm stoned. What a silly question."

While I may disagree with you intellectually on many things, you gotta respect that! While it may not really support the quality of your arguments, I have to express my absolute respect for your unvarnished honesty.

If it were legal, I'd buy you a nice fat joint. LOL

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

If it's really gonna float your boat, I'll let you give me money to go buy my own medicine(legally, by the way). And not that it's surprising anyone, but I have to disagree with you about how my medication, and the amount of it in my system at any given time, bears relevance on the subject. Maybe I'm just being egotistical, but I think I can hold my own in many conversations. The fact that my ability to hold, and sometimes dominate a conversation remains unchanged in the face of any amount of my medication that could ever be in my system, is at least slightly relevant. The same claim can obviously not be made about a great many intoxicants, and pharmaceuticals alike. In all fairness, I don't go back and do much editing of my writing, in spite of my proof reading. It doesn't take me hours to compose these little blurbs but that doesn't mean that most of the posts aren't at least partially 'premeditated,' if you will. I've never been a fan of lies. They're a pretty big waste of time. No one really wins in the end. The DEA has been winning(paycheck wise) from the lies of over 70 years ago. But hey, what's a few decades of injustice, right? Some stoners get tossed in jail, people lose their kids, tax-payer wallets bear all the burden for 70 years of futile and fruitless warring(complete with KIA's, MIA's, and POW's) against a plant....no biggie.

And I'll tell you what, I'll supply the joint. The catch is, you have to sit there and watch me smoke it. Do you dare entertain the company of someone that could, at any moment, break out into...(...dramatic, scary, climactic music...) "REEFER MADNESS"?

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JLM 4 years, 2 months ago

@ mmj ---

Hmmmm, I might just take you up on that but first I better review Reefer Madness.

I think I would find that in the "documentary" section, now wouldn't I? LOL

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

...and like it's some huge shocker or something. For blunts sake, my frickin' screen name is mmj(medical marijuana)Patient22!!! How much brain power did it take for you to muster up the gumption to pry that question from the pits of your 'intellect'? Did it hurt a little bit?

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

And I think you might have more luck in the sci-fi section.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 2 months ago

I'll tell you what is confusing. The complete lack of signs at the dispensary in OC.

Okay, so a big MARY'S sign or a mj leaf might be seen as "in your face" promotion, but no signs at all has people wondering where it is. Which I think is an issue because I would prefer that these patients are not considering knocking on my tenant's doors trying to find it.

Surely something like doctor officer lettering (3" tall or so) on the door and a window saying "MMJ Dispensary" would not bother those driving past, but would be informative to those trying to find it.

Also, I think it is likely that there will be parents thinking gymnastics has started up again and thus they go in with their kids expecting gymnastics, not mmj.

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jaded 4 years, 2 months ago

I'm always amazed that people think MMJ is bad because it is illegal, instead of being illegal because it is bad. To all of you who continue to spout off about it being illegal, I pose the question: If the federal govt legalized medicinal pot, would you then be OK with it?

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aichempty 4 years, 2 months ago

Jaded,

Yes. For bona-fide medical purposes under a doctor's care and supervision.

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muck 4 years, 2 months ago

aich,

So you would be ok with it being "legal" but only if there is rules?? You really are protecting your job. That is absurd! You are a joke! NO wait? A holy savior wanna be joke or just someone who really thinks that they are gonna save the world or is it your job?? BE HONEST MAN!! YOUR A COP OR IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND YOUR OPINION IS BASED ON YOUR JOB!!

YOUR OPINION DON'T MEAN JACK! I HOPE THEY CUT YOUR JOB FIRST WHEN DECRIMINALIZATION HAPPENS!

WINDS OF CHANGE! THEY ARE A COMMING AND YOUR GONNA BE LOSE YOUR JOB!!!!

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 2 months ago

Scott-

Great points. How many other businesses are forbidden from even hinting as to what their primary means of business are in their storefront advertising. Could you imagine if liquor stores were banned from using bright, flashing lights to catch their customers attention? What about anything else that's even slightly controversial? And I've used this example before, but what if Elk River Guns was forced to change their name to something that couldn't even vaguely reference firearms? My imagination is reeling.

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aichempty 4 years, 1 month ago

Out of your mucking mind . . .

Cop? No way. I'm far too well educated to take a blue collar job dealing with the scum of the earth. Leave that to the guys who were jocks in high school but didn't get scholarships. (Jock to math teacher . . . "When will I ever use this in real life?" Me to jock 20 years later . . . "When you want a job that pays enough to be worth your time.")

I happen to be in the business of helping potential employers identify qualified candidates, and history teaches that there's no benefit to be gained from hiring people who use drugs, legal or not, for recreational purposes. Drugs dull the mind.

So, in fact, my opinion does mean "jack" because the customers I deal with trust me, based on experience and references from others who have used my information on how to select job candidates. HMPT (it sounds like "aichempty" if you say it out loud) means "Human Factors, Manpower, Personnel and Training." When an employer is going to invest anywhere from 6 months of wages to train a route delivery man up to two or three years and millions in training expense to produce a qualified pilot, for example, they don't want people who are going to drop out or pop positive on drug tests.

So, stuff your weed up your wind-hole and get a grip on reality. NOBODY in the business of screening and selecting employees is going to welcome a pot smoker to the payroll. NOBODY. That ain't gonna change.

I had some work done on a place I own up here last year, and the wages earned by the guys on the job ranged from $30 to $10 per hour. Guess who was getting $10? The guy with no short-term memory/biggest pot smoker. In fact, he was overpaid at $10.00. I felt sorry for him. His rent was due, so I paid him $15.00 per hour for the first day so they would leave him home the next day.

And oh, by the way, Mr. Weedy thought he "knew it all." Know anybody else like that?

There is no law that prohibits employers from discriminating based on drug use and/or arrests and convictions for possession. It's one of the last "automatic" no-hire criteria we have, and it is used every day. Even if pot was legal, it wouldn't change anything, just the same as having a DUI. Big red flag. So, have a nice day, and I doubt we'll see you at the office.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Just out of curiosity, what were your reasons for putting the 'hemp' in there? I know, you explained that it sounds like it but couldn't we simpletons just as easily figured out what certain things sound like? Does hemp hold any special meaning for you or was it just a 'sounds like it' thing?

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aichempty 4 years, 1 month ago

mmj,

Yeah, it's a secret use of the word "hemp" so that my "real" contacts will know I'm just trying to help them keep the marijuana market cornered.

In fact, I have an investment which goes up whenever any natural fiber is sold instead of hemp. It's like a short sale on oil futures where you make money when the price goes down. Hard to understand, but there's money in it.

If it makes you feel any better, I don't smoke Cuban cigars even when I can get them, except when I'm in a place like France where they are legal to purchase and smoke as you wish.

H=aich MPT=empty

Does there=their=they're?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like bananas.

("It's pronounced a-sweep-ay!)

Buffoon.

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muck 4 years, 1 month ago

The use of the U.S.'s most popular illicit drug is growing among retirees as the massive generation of baby boomers who came of age in the 1960s and '70s grows older.

The number of people aged 50 and older reporting marijuana use in the prior year went up from 1.9 percent to 2.9 percent from 2002 to 2008, according to surveys from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. The rise was most dramatic among 55- to 59-year-olds, whose reported marijuana use more than tripled from 1.6 percent in 2002 to 5.1 percent.

Observers expect further increases as 78 million boomers born between 1945 and 1964 age. For many boomers, the drug never held the stigma it did for previous generations, and they tried it decades ago.

Some have used it ever since, while others are revisiting the habit in retirement, either for recreation or as a way to cope with the aches and pains of aging.

msnbc.com

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muck 4 years, 1 month ago

aich breaky my heart...........

Man it must be hard being so perfect? But your HOLY SAVIOR B.S. aint what we what to hear from you anymore!

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muck 4 years, 1 month ago

aich

Pay your taxes and stay where you live because WE DON'T WANT your lip jabbering up here anymore you NON-LOCAL! If our local " LABOR FORCE" is not fit for you. And our "LIFE STYLE" is not fit for you! GO AWAY!! DON'T COMEBACK!! DO US ALL A FAVOR! YOU CERTAINLY HAVE DONE NO GOOD SO FAR!!

YOU JUDGE A MAN BY HIS PAY SCALE???

YOU ARE A TOTAL JUDGMENTAL MORON!!

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muck 4 years, 1 month ago

Aich.......

Dude i have LIVED here for 25 years. Your last comment to me that a 30.00 paid labor worker in STEAMBOAT cannot smoke pot? I know for a fact that your statement is judgmental. I know of 25 or more construction workers that have more than 500 years combine experience that smoke pot in Steamboat daily!! And...... some of them own there own business also. Yep, thats right! They can run a business contrary to your idiotic belives. And......... i know some of them made more than $1,000,000.00 a year for the past few years. My buddy worked on your house!! I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!! ISNT THIS FUNNY!! DUDE, I HATE TO BE THE BEARRER OF BAD NEWS BUT............

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aichempty 4 years, 1 month ago

Muck-o,

Did he get his 1099? Some of them came back "undeliverable." I wouldn't want anybody to get in trouble with their tax returns.

There's a good recent report by the RAND corporation that lends credibility to the claim that workplace injuries are more related to risk taking behavior than to impairment by on-the-job drug use. It says that risk takers are injured more often, and that risk takers are more likely to use illicit drugs.

It also says that casual alcohol users are less likely to be injured on the job than tea-totalers OR heavy users. Just like heart disease, moderate use seems to have a beneficial effect. I haven't read the report in enough detail to see if they claimed a benefit for "illicit drugs" (their term).

http://www.rand.org/pubs/occasional_papers/2009/RAND_OP247.pdf

If this is true, then it's not pot that causes abuse, it's risk-takers who choose to abuse pot. It also explains how people who are successful in business (risk takers) can use pot in moderation without apparent harm. Just like alcohol.

This is the first credible scientific report I've seen that supports legalization for the general public. Why? Because it shows the problem is human nature (risk taking behavior) rather than the effects of substance abuse for "casual" users. This is how you convince the scientific community to listen to the legalization arguments; not by quoting articles in High Times, even if they are shown to be correct at some later time.

If the RAND study is correct, and I suspect that it is, then the war on drugs is truly pointless if the results hold across all segments of the population. Big surprise. Prohibition was the same way. So, how do you convince enough people in Congress to change the law? It's all about the ballot box.

I happen to agree with most of what you posted above. There's a lot of stuff in our society that needs to be changed. Today's marijuana laws may go the way of Jim Crow laws in the old South. Openly gay people are about to be allowed to serve in the military. It used to be illegal for women to serve in combat, and today they're flying fighters over Afghanistan. Times do change.

But DUDE! COME ON! The people giving pot a bad name are not the ones who show up and do a good job. It's the same with guys who show up hung over and make dumb mistakes, have little accidents, etc. What do you propose to do about them? Just consider them a cost of doing business and pass it along? In the end, that hurts the guy swinging the hammer more than anyone else, because it translates to fewer jobs and encourages big developers to bring in their own labor.

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aichempty 4 years, 1 month ago

So, how do people who support legalization propose to deal with the bad examples?

That's up to you to solve. They are the ones really standing between legalization for responsible adult use and the current state of affairs. I do agree with people who say there's nothing wrong with adults using a harmless substance, if they're really adults, and it's really harmless. Maybe this can be the next "don't ask, don't tell" issue as long as you don't show up stoned at a traffic checkpoint.

This needs to go to a national vote. If the time is right for legalization, that's the way to proceed. Otherwise, write to your congressmen and hope for the best.

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trump_suit 4 years, 1 month ago

That was well written Aich. One of the best posts on the subject that you have made.

Does this study not seem to back up what I have been saying all along? That we should quit fighting the failed "War on Drugs" legalize the whole shebang, and spend our resources on Treatment and Education.

The true miracle would be finding a way to help those individuals that seem hell bent on destroying themselves in one way or another.

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aichempty 4 years, 1 month ago

trump,

It doesn't really back up what you say. It does explain to some degree why some people always find a way to get into trouble.

I don't know how you would treat a behavioral problem in a person who was under the influence of intoxicating substances. How do you force someone into treatment before they die of the effects of substance abuse unless you have some "legal" hammer to use on them? If it all comes down to impulse control and consequences of behavior that can be avoided, just how are you going to get people to seek treatment before great harm comes to themselves or others?

If drugs were all legalized, would that stop people from prostituting themselves to get money for drugs?

There are lots of issues, and enforcing abstinence for some of the more dangerous drugs, and drugs that are used on victims (like for date rape) seems like it has to be a part of the equation.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 1 month ago

Aic, So how do we get people addicted on alcohol and prescription drugs into rehab?

If the legal hammer is the trick then there should be far less of a problem with people addicted to illegal drugs because it is far easier to hit them with the legal hammer. It is far harder to hit alcoholics with the legal hammer. Alcoholics have to commit some other crime to be threatened by the legal hammer.

So do you think that there is minimal problems with people addicted to illegal drugs (those under the threat of the legal hammer) and the problem with addicts is primarily with those on legal substances for which the legal hammer is far harder to apply?

I think the real answer is that addicts need to hit bottom. For some it is being in the legal system. For some the legal system is not enough. Some need to become homeless. For some that is not enough. Exactly what it takes for someone is an individual thing. Some people never find it before their addiction kills them.

I think it lacks credibility that decriminalized mj with it's ticket for personal possession causes pot addicts to turn their life around.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Aich-

How does any other group on earth deal with the bad apples in the bunch? They are generally frowned upon and don't end up making quick friends with many of the good apples. You know what they say about bad company, right? The long and short of it is that dealing with idiots is not a problem that is exclusive to cannabis users, alcohol users or any other kind of 'user'. Dealing with non-desirables is just a part of daily life. Stop trying to make it sound like all the idiots use cannabis and all the idiots are that way because of cannabis. Your lies go extreme sometimes. As far as traffic checkpoints go, when's the last time they set up a checkpoint to check for stoned people? And even if they ever did, most all of the cannabis users I know would sail through the checkpoint undetected. I can't remember the last time my level of "medicated-ness" was detectable by anyone. That is, unless of coarse you count smiling and general jolliness. But if that's the qualifying factor, then I'm catch-able red-handed(or eyed, as it were, and if not for Visine) almost any waking moment. The problem for law enforcement is, happy people never tend to appear all that suspicious or conspicuous. More often than not, and ironically enough, it's the paranoid ones that have the most to worry about. That's why, in spite of my previous years as a self-regulated&self-medicated cannabis user, I decided to abide by the laws and regulations regarding medicinal cannabis use that have been voted upon by the wonderful people of my home state and enacted into state constitutional law(the only medical marijuana state that can claim it as a constitutional right). That being said, it bears to mention how few medical marijuana patients are applauded for the civility of their actions and financial responsibility they've assumed by submitting themselves to the law. It is not a very cheap endeavor initially and then there's the yearly re-application fee of $90 dollars. Not to 'nickle and dime' it, but how many of you have to pay a yearly permit fee JUST to be able to access your medication(not including the actual price of the medicine)? How many of you pay a yearly fee JUST to be licensed to legally drink alcohol? I'm not looking for a pat on the back or anything, but I will say that a little recognition goes a long way.

A national vote is a spectacular idea, and spectacular is an understatement. Polls indicate that we're closer to a trend shift than we've been since before the prohibition started. If national polls are any indication of the way this particular cookie might crumble, we all might be in for a little more change than we first think. http://www.gallup.com/poll/123728/U.S.-Support-Legalizing-Marijuana-Reaches-New-High.aspx

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muck 4 years, 1 month ago

DEMOCRATS

Yes! . . . But you know . . . [w]e have not devoted nearly enough science or time to deal with the pain management and chronic pain management that exists. There’s got to be a better answer than marijuana.” — U.S. Sen. Joe Biden (Del.), May 12, Canterbury, N.H.

Yes, I will [end the federal raids].” — U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.), July 13, Manchester, N.H.

“I want to leave states to decide what the right thing is to do on this.” — U.S. Sen. Chris Dodd (Conn.), May 12, Merrimack, N.H.

“What I will do as president is, we will not be going in and raiding the use of marijuana for medical purposes in states that have legalized it.” — Former U.S. Sen. John Edwards (N.C.), June 8, Derry, N.H.

“I would legalize marijuana.” — Former U.S. Sen. Mike Gravel (Alaska), May 1, C-SPAN

“Compassion requires that doctors be able to prescribe whatever they need to make sure that patients get relief from pain.” — U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), August 15, Manchester, N.H.

“I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users. It’s not a good use of our resources.” — U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), August 21, Nashua, N.H.

“We must protect the seriously ill; we certainly must protect these people. . . . Yes, [I will end the federal raids], with the proper safeguards and protections.” — New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, May 7, Hooksett, N.H.

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muck 4 years, 1 month ago

REPUBLICANS

“I think that should continue to be the case. I do not think that we should legalize marijuana … I don’t agree with that, and I don’t think we need to for pain or for pain medication.” — U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback (Kan.), June 5, Manchester, N.H.

Mayor Rudy Giuliani “The FDA says marijuana has no additive medical benefit of any kind, that the illegal trafficking of marijuana is so great that it makes much more sense to keep it illegal. I will keep it illegal.” — Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, August 17, Merrimack, N.H.

“I think I’d leave that to the DEA. Let me just be very blunt. I don’t support the idea. I think there are better ways to treat medical illnesses than the use of a drug that has really caused so many more people to have their lives injured than it has to necessarily have their lives helped.” — Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, June 4, Francestown, N.H.

“If you have a federal law, you have to enforce the law. And that’s my answer.” — U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter (Calif.), June 5, Manchester, N.H.

Sen. John McCain “I believe that marijuana is a gateway drug. That is my view and that’s the view of the federal drug czar and other experts . . . I do not support the use of marijuana for medical purposes. I believe there are other ways of relieving that pain and suffering.” — U.S. Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), August 11, Milton, N.H.

“I would like people who are dying with cancer and AIDS to have access to whatever they want and make their own choices, especially under a state law.” — U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (Texas), August 19, Londonderry, N.H.

“I don’t want medicinal marijuana; there are synthetic forms of marijuana that are available for people who need it for prescription. Don’t open the doorway to medicinal marijuana.“ — Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, July 25, Bedford, N.H.

“It’s not about marijuana, it’s about states’ rights. The federal government has no right to interfere when a state makes that kind of decision . . . The federal government should stay the hell out of it.” — U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo (Colo.), August 19, Londonderry, N.H.

"You know, there are federal laws involved and there's federalism issues also involved. It depends on a lot of different circumstances, and I just can't give you a definitive answer to that right now." — Former U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson (Tenn.), September 8, Stratham, N.H.

VOTE RON PAUL IN 2012

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Well, since this topic(marijuana) seems to be equally as, if not more, controversial as the whole 700 thing that everyone is so up-in-arms aboot, why doesn't the Pilot do a juxtaposing about marijuana legalization like they did with the 700 issue? It's not like there's a shortage of writers on the subject. Oh, that's right...they only give proper coverage to the really important stuff like the 700 issue. Maybe if pot was a more aristocratic issue or had just a bit more money in it, they'd cover the controversy a little more? Or maybe everyone's just worried about what the true national consensus on cannabis really is? It's almost like the anti-pot people are doing everything they can to keep things as quiet as possible in an effort to not draw unnecessary attention to the issue in general. (psssst....don't say anything about that elephant standing in the corner over there.)

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muck 4 years, 1 month ago

MMJ22-

Man are you so right! My friend just got his acutual card in the mail last week and he is state registered patient 87,$$$ on the Colorado State Medical Marijuana Registery. And he submitted his paperwork in early October of 2009. So that means that we could have over 100,000 registered patients for 2009. At the current pace of 800-1500 applications a WEEK (according to State Health Department) So that is 400,000 new patients on the registery in 2010. Or it could be as high as 600,000.

But for some reason the press is not telling the truth? Imagine that! But thats ok with me, the naysayers will be overwhelmed with the truth and then it will be to late for them to controll at all. WINDS OF CHANGE!!

And, don't get me started about the paper! Everytime i log onto the pilot, my screen flops to one side!! DARNDEST THING.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Those are good quotes muck. I've heard some of those before but not most of them. That one from our Mr. Tancredo made me proud that he's representing our state.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

And here's an EXCELLENT break-down of the real costs of the marijuana prohibition.

http://marijuanalobby.com/2010/02/24/the-war-on-marijuana-costs/

Who of you out there are 'okay' with perpetuating this waste?

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

If the medical marijuana patient application number trends continue, there's no telling how many people could possibly end up on the registry. At that point, you gotta ask yourself what the purpose of the 'registry' really is. If marijuana is really THAT widely used, and the point of the registry is to keep track(for legal purposes?) of 'the special few' that are allowed to access marijuana as medicine, then why would THAT many people need to be on a list, of any kind? Are alcohol users on any sort of national, state or local list? Are prescription drug users on any sort of list? The whole thing is beginning to develop an odor. I'm just not sure what it is yet.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Here's a great illustration of just how poorly things can turn out, despite the best intentions being involved. It's hardly deniable that certain negative impacts have been brought upon America(ns) by the marijuana prohibition.

http://www.slate.com/id/2245188/

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jk 4 years, 1 month ago

Come on you guys there is a new article in the paper to tear apart. Let's get busy!!

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Well, what can be said? Another person falls victim to ridiculous drug laws.

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aichempty 4 years, 1 month ago

jk,

Oh, you mean the one about the sentencing of the lady accused of trafficking?

She and her family were lucky. There have been three similar parties in my neck of the woods, with one death from alcohol toxicity and one victim still in a coma after falling from a balcony.

mmj,

My employer and I pay about $1200 per month for the privilege of turning around and paying $65 for every non-generic prescription that's filled for my family. So, we're paying around $14,000 a year for access to care in order to get a 3 month supply of medication for $65, with a $4,000 deductible. So, you want medical marijuana AND you want it to be cheap? Good luck.

At least you can grow your own, or part of it. Try that with thyroid medicine, or cholesterol medicine, etc.

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 1 month ago

falls victim?

If the drugs involved were illegally obtained prescription drugs then the punishment would still be appropriate.

As for the number of mmj patients - looks to me like we are rapidly learning how many people smoke mj to feel better. It is hard to project about how many mmj users will be in Colorado because these sort of growth/saturation curves look like a forward leaning S which starts low, turns upwards as growth explodes and then turns flat again as then there are few remaining potential mmj users that have not yet to register.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Scott-

True. However, most prescription drugs are legally obtainable in all 50 states, on a case by case assessment of need.

To boot, we seem to be swaying from paradigm to paradigm in going from talking about medicinal marijuana to talking about the prospect of regulated but basically flat out legal cannabis(such as what California will be voting on later this year). These are two totally different things and they each have their own little set of rules. The proposed legalization in California will be regulated similarly to the alcohol industry. This means right down to the comparison of brewing your own personal beer at home; the vote is to say that you should be able to brew your own cannabis. Establishments will be licensed and legitimate distributors/growers will pay taxes. No one goes to jail for simple possession and everyone lives happily ever after. The average of the current medical marijuana legislation across the nation basically revolves around a primary premise; physician approval. There are a hand-full of variables from state to state in regards to allowed plant numbers and things like that but they all read fairly similar. It is made into a medicinal issue that has mandated the involvement of a physician. All he/she has to do is say it's okay by signing the approval form and the patient goes on their merry way with no guidelines on dosage quantities or precautionary tales of the possible side-effects that their choice of medicine may have on them(not that it's really needed or would even be cared about if told anyway). To me, it seems like a meager attempt at forcefully involving the medical community(for means of employment/revenue) into a personal issue/choice that has less of a negative medicinal impact than the choice to drink alcohol. It all seems very silly to me and ultimately it all has zero impact on my personal decision of peacefully using cannabis as medicine for MY own body. My choice will not waiver in the face of any change, in any legislation.

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muck 4 years, 1 month ago

jk-

If she broke the law i have don't feel sorry for her. But is the waste of tax payers money needed to proscute and then in two years dismiss the charges? Is this like the express lane with 1 felony or less?

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trump_suit 4 years, 1 month ago

I beg your pardon Aich ?

Quoted directly from your posted Rand study:

". Although the media often report on singular incidents attributed to substance use with grave consequences, the current research confirms that the proportion of occupational injuries attributed to acute substance use is relatively small. What is more likely is that workers who engage in harmful, substance-using behaviors may be more likely to take risks at work. This does not mean that the relationship between substance use and occupational injuries is spurious, but rather that policies and intervention strategies focused on substance use should address underlying characteristics and traits of persons with this risk profile. EAPs are an appealing venue for this type of intervention strategy."

Does this not say that treating the underlying risk disorder is more important than treating the use of these substances? Take away the stigma and the black market for drugs and spend our resources on treatment and education.

Your big problem is that you want to somehow enforce the kind of behavior that you expect and that is simply not possible. Forcing drug users into treatment will continue to force the problem underground and those afflicted will deflect and deny the problem. Sometimes you just gotta let em' go and help those that are ready for it. Throwing them in jail is still not the answer.

Bottom line is still that the artificially created black market for drugs has cost our society more than the drugs themselves ever did. It is time to end this useless fight and try to spend our money if more effective ways.

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jk 4 years, 1 month ago

muck, You rant and rave about the legalization of marijuana and this is what you have to say about this?? What a joke!!!

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 1 month ago

Prescription drugs have recognized symptoms for which a prescription is appropriate. A doctor can be disciplined and even jailed for writing prescriptions that are not medically justified.

Almost all of the mmj laws make no effort to say what are the medically appropriate uses. So I could complain about a bad back and the doctor could sign a recommendation without getting xrays and such showing the issue, nor does the doctor have to show how mmj would help me with that specific issue.

So, an honest assessment of the current mmj situation would observe that it has the net result of being a regulated, registered and licensed form of legalizing mj.

Personally I am ok with that because I think that is better than the broken system of criminalizing it which is a huge source of funds for gangs and other criminal activity. If the mmj regulatory system makes it any harder for teens to get mj (developing brains are provably hurt by drugs and alcohol) and deprives gangs of a source of money while allowing local growers and dispensaries to legally earn money then I say "great".

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Scott-

Yeah, keep it away from the younger crowd. That's not at all what I'm arguing. Most of what I was saying was that something else has to change beyond the whole medical marijuana thing. There has to be a change at the federal level. The way things are going now looks pretty grim. I'm not directly blaming federal law for the death of this man, but I do believe that there would have been a different outcome if there was something in federal law that didn't hang such impending doom over someone's head when they get caught with some plants.

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2010/02/ohio_man_kills_himself_after_son_rats_him_out_for.php

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aichempty 4 years, 1 month ago

trump,

I'm not sure why you object to what I wrote. Was it not clear that the use of illicit drugs is associated with risk taking behavior? What better way to detect the risk factor than by the behavioral aspect of drug abuse?

If we followed your idea, then our Silver Medalist Nordic Combined team members should be "treated" for risk-taking behavior. Seems to me that flinging your body into the air at neck-breaking speed and depending upon providence to get you stopped safely at the bottom of the hill falls into the category of "risk taking." Sky diving, skiing, SCUBA, flying and speeding on the highway all fall under the catetory of risk-taking. Do we throw them all into rehab? At what point do we identify them? Do we set up a booth at every flight school counter and spirit applicants off to rehab as soon as they pay their deposit?

So, yeah, "treat them" is a wonderful idea, except who pays for it, and how do you force them into treatment before they end up living on the street, suffering from AIDS or HEP-C, and are beyond cure?

Anyway, one good thing about this medical marijuana registry is that people are coming out in the open to reveal their drug use. We've never really had good information on it before. Over time, the State will be able to look at this as a public health issue, and really determine whether marijuana use is harmful, helpful, or neither one.

I really think it will come down to a fact of human nature, and some people are compelled to conform while others are compelled to rebel.

My own pet theory, which seems to be borne out by experience, is that people create stress for themselves because it results in the release of endorphins. Endurance athletes know about "the endorphin high." Well, guess what? A kid who constantly gets into trouble, gets punished, etc., also is seeking an endorphin high. That's why "A good cry" often seems to make people feel better. The downside is that the endorphin rush brought on by emotional stress fades over time, and it takes more and more severe antisocial acts to get somebody into enough trouble to get the desired effect. The stuff they used to do isn't good enough anymore, so they escalate the bad behavior. And the real trick of nature is that it all occurs by psychological conditioning without the subject ever being aware of what's going on. Pavlov's dog didn't know why he salivated when the bell rang, but he did it. Same for risk taking and anti-social behavior that produce endorphins.

Now, all it takes is for people who support your position to figure out how to get people to stop doing something that feels good, which they are compelled to do by endorphin addiction, before harm is done.

How many people wake up and say, "Dang. I feel great today. I think I need help!" As is so often expressed by other contributors to this forum, they feel GOOD about what they are doing right up to, and beyond, the point where disaster occurs.

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trump_suit 4 years, 1 month ago

Aich,

"I don't know how you would treat a behavioral problem in a person who was under the influence of intoxicating substances. How do you force someone into treatment before they die of the effects of substance abuse unless you have some "legal" hammer to use on them? If it all comes down to impulse control and consequences of behavior that can be avoided, just how are you going to get people to seek treatment before great harm comes to themselves or others?"

Answer: You absolutely cannot force treatement for this addiction. If the current fight teaches us anything it is that behavior cannot be legislated. From drug use, to DUI to texting it is clear that individuals will make whatever decision they choose regardless of the legal consequences. Trying to legislate morality and behavior has landed us in the current mess. The "War on Drugs" has not stopped anyone and has exasparated the problem by creating the black market and underground culture that so defines drug use/abuse.

What the conservative right needs to understand aout this issue is this: You cannot treat societies problem with drug use and abuse with the legal system. You must find a way to treat those willing to accept that treatment, and also find a way to diminish the problems with those individuals that choose to remove themselves from society by their continued abuse of drugs. The same could be said for addictions to gambling, sex, alchohol or even skiing if taken to extremes. There is nothing that can be done to help those that do not think they need help. That problem is with us today and will remain a problem in the future.

By legalizing drugs we are not saying that they are good for you or that we as a country endorse their usage. What we are saying is that the current tools have not worked and we need to find another way to address this issue. The example of MADD is a good one. Without making the substance illegal, the MADD organization has managed to change this countries attitude about DUI. From California to Maine, it would be difficult to find even one person that truly thinks this behavior is safe and acceptable. Running the same survey in the 70's/80's would have produced much different results.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

It just goes to show, those in charge are not all that concerned about keeping people safe. In the end, it's all about the money. Were the prohibition of marijuana to suddenly end, billions if not trillions of dollars of our economy would instantly be redirected towards things that can actually benefit our society as a whole.

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2010/02/us-mexico_drug_summit_ignores_obvious_solution_leg.php

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Duke_bets 4 years, 1 month ago

mmj - Scott makes a great point. It's hard to tell if he is for or against. What are the medical issues that weed is prescribed for? What are the dosages of weed prescribed for the ailment?

I'll answer that for you.............There are no specific ailments and there are absolutely no dosages. That's because it's a recreational drug.

Smoke as much as you want and you'll forget about the backache.

Read the Pilot.........There's a classified ad offering a free ounce per month if that place can be your caregiver. Do you think that's because they can grow more and sell more? An ounce a month? That's being stoned 24/7! How do you profit from giving it away for free. There's no limitation, so Duke bets that the free ounce is smoked and much more is bought for resale.

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Clearsky 4 years, 1 month ago

After reading all this I need to get high! The punishment should fit the crime. Drivers "hyped" up on coffee probably cause more crimes of rage than any mother nature smoker. Let's make coffee illegal! Yeah. It's a drug! Throw people in jail for drinking coffee! Druggies! They put cream in it to heighten the effect, man! and sugar Oh WOW Now we have an uncontrolled hyperactivated caffeine freak driving faster than the 10 mph allowance trying to pass to get to the red light faster!

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Dook-

I'm certain that we've been over this before but maybe you need a refresher? So, to get you going, here's the wiki link for medicinal cannabis. You know it, I know it and everyone else knows it too; cannabis has been scientifically PROVEN to have medicinal benefits for its users. The fact that you can't get over your denial on the whole thing is pretty funny. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_...

And if you had done any research, at all, into the benefits offered by some of the dispensaries around the state, you'd know that the dispensary offering the free ounce a month isn't really all that weird. Don't sit there and try to put on the facade that you know what you're talking about when it comes to quantity and common dosages of marijuana. Medical marijuana patients that take their cannabis through edibles consume a much higher volume of cannabis than those that take it in the traditional smoked method. The only thing you're doing is sitting there conjuring up assumptions that demonize those that choose to use cannabis. You're nothing more than a mud-slinger and an ill-informed one at that. When I want to be reminded of how evil and corrupt our federal drug policy is, I'll come talk to you. But for now, it might be better for you to get the facts or get movin' on. In case you haven't noticed, you're not gathering all that huge of torch/pitch fork bearing mob. Mostly, you just seem to be piling up a lot of head-shaking, not nodding.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

And maybe the DEA could give less of two flying rat's a$$es about the scientific side of things? Mainly, I think they're just interested in making things go 'boom.'

http://www.mainjustice.com/2010/03/01/dea-marijuana-seizures-nearly-double/

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Duke_bets 4 years, 1 month ago

mmj - So, what are the dosages for specific ailments? I know the answer and so do you. Even, over the counter eyedrops have dosages.

I know more than you think. Marijuana is not medicine. That is not an assumption. Doctors used to pack cocaine covered cloth into a persons nostrils after some nasal surgery to promote clotting and stop bleeding. The other 99.9% of the use of that drug was recreational, but it actually did have a specific medical purpose.

Smoking or eating weed really has no medical purpose. 90+% of doctors would agree with that statement.

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Duke_bets 4 years, 1 month ago

mmj - I remember you stating that you had never heard of a THC overdose. Check out today's Denver news.

A 10-month old overdosed thanks to his fantastic medical marijuana parents and their grow operation.

Another 11 year old shot himself while alone and holding down the fort at his dad's grow operation.

Do you see the coincidence here?

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Dook- To your first comment, there are no specific dosages because there is no LD50 for marijuana, therefore making it impossible to die from an "overdose." The primary concern of a 'dosage' is to indicate the line that the consumer should not cross if they wish to avoid a lethal overdose on pharmaceutical products. That's the technical answer. The more reasonable and logical answer is that there is such a varying degree of potency throughout the different strains of marijuana, that it would be practically impossible to have a set dosage. In other words, a joint of stuff "A" might not contain the same volume of active ingredient medicine that a joint of stuff "B" might. The same applies to different manufacturers of wines and spirits; there are a multitude of different proofs of alcohol.

And as to your second point, if there is no dosage information on marijuana, then how in the HELL did the medical staff at the hospital know for certain that the amount of THC ingested by the little child was "over" the dosage amount? Think about it for a minute. If you're clinical medical staff, are you going to say that a baby has had a dosage of marijuana or an "overdose(-age)" of marijuana? I'll ask you something else, did you catch the part of the story where they said that BOTH of the children were "okay"? How can an 11 year-old with an accidentally, self-inflicted bullet wound(from a weapon that the father is claiming belonged to the boy) be..."OKAY" that soon after the incident? Interesting reporting, I'd say.

And lastly, the DEA is going to have to find some way to deal with their denial issues about this whole medical marijuana thing. The VOTERS have said that they approve of it, the PRESIDENT has told the DEA to spend their budget a little smarter than picking up potheads....and PATIENTS are still being raked over the coals over plant number issues.

The DEA is acting like a bunch of little kids here. At least they aim away from their feet(but towards your pets) when they discharge their firearms.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

And I hereby nominate you for sheeple of the month. The news lays it down for you a certain way and you pick it just the way you're supposed to. Congratulations dook! You've bought into the fear.

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Duke_bets 4 years, 1 month ago

mmj - No fear here.

And, your response on the second point is absurd to say the least. I trust the knowledge of The Children's Hospital over you. They see cases of young children to infants to newborns with drugs in their systems every day. Do you think they tested the blood of the 10 month old and found elevated levels of THC? Do you think that the doctors proved that there was no other cause for the child's symptons?

You curb the reporting in a different direction that is not true. I stated what was in the report. I didn't make anything up.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

dook- Sure, you might not have made anything up. You seem to missing the point though. The point is, if the federal government would open up cannabis to scientific research and testing, there would be better data on what a human's limitations are with cannabis. The only research that has ever been conducted on the subject has found that it is impossible to kill yourself via cannabis. To actually ingest a lethal dosage(LD50, or lethal dose for 50% of the test subjects) of marijuana, one would have to smoke roughly 1,500lbs of marijuana in under 15 minutes. I don't think I have to explain how absurdly impossible this really is. I mean, you'd have to use an incinerator just to accomplish the combustion of 3/4 of a ton of cannabis in under 15 minutes. Not to get all technical or anything, but the blood work for the 10 month old would not have come back with elevated levels of THC. The actual indicator is a protein that THC triggers in your body. Since the LD50 of marijuana is so extremely high, do you honestly believe that the infant ingested the equivalent amount in edibles? Besides, edibles are THE safest way to consume cannabis and have ZERO long -term affect on even an infant's health. The worst thing that happened to the child was exactly what you heard in the story; he was lethargic and sleepy.

And you appear to be reading me wrong. I am in NO way saying that kids should have access to marijuana in any form. Cannabis is something for medicinal purposes and adult enjoyment. Keep it away from kids. However, if the 11 year-old had shot himself in the foot while there was a moonshine/wine/beer brewing station in the house, do you think that there would have been much mention of the alcohol on the premises? Maybe a sentence or two, but I highly doubt that the media would have revolved the entire story around it. Also bear in mind, if it were legal for the average Joe(we'll call him Joe Joint-Box for now) to propagate/store/use/consume cannabis, would there be that many people worried about guarding their cannabis, let alone with any kind of weapon? It has yet to be determined if the purpose of the gun was for protection of the Joe Joint-Box Jr., and/OR protection of the crop. In either case, the question still applies; what motivates someone to leave a loaded gun at home with their 11 year-old son while they go to pick-up their spouse from work? Well, if you have children(which I do not), the answer is simple; fear. You see all these fear-inspiring "news" stories(and they're written to come across that way), you fear for the life of your child and you want to give them the means to protect themselves, should the situation arise. The father and son are professed hunters and one can only hope that the obvious lack of gun safety knowledge will be corrected in the immediate future.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

And allow me to clarify the whole "DEA shooting your pets" thing from earlier. Even if you're a locally elected official, like a Mayor, don't think that the DEA will blink twice before they shoot your pet(s). Now, I'm a dog-lover/owner and I have always considered my animals as members of the family. So, when I use the word 'pets', it's loosly. Not that the DEA is in the business of shooting house pets BUT, if you happen to be the victim of a drug smuggling scheme, the DEA might show up and shoot yours all the same....even if you're the damn MAYOR!!!

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/94317/police_state_madness:_mayor%27s_dogs_gunned_down_by_cops_in_hyper-agressive_drug_raid/

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Let's talk about "law enforcement" for a minute or two. First of all, I come from a law enforcement family. I have the utmost respect for the badge and for most of those that have earned the right to wear it. When I talk about matters of law enforcement, it is those very dear members of my family that I bear in mind while doing so. Secondly, simply look at the term; "law"+"enforcement". The implication is that there has to be "laws" in order to able to "enforce" them. This is the very reason why so many "law enforcement" officers are against the repeal of the "law" that provides for the marijuana prohibition. The exact same thing happened when the prohibition of alcohol ended. There were truck-loads of law enforcement officers that were up in arms about that happening. In my opinion, being unable to enforce the prohibition of alcohol lead many former alcohol law enforcers to, at least, be friendly to a new prohibition; "marijuana". Lastly, at what point does the population say that, "enough is enough!"? At what point does the pot prohibition take priority over freedom of speech? Anywhere?

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2010/03/no_free_speech_in_canada_pro-legalization_cop_muzz.php

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jk 4 years, 1 month ago

mmj, loved the video of the DEA agent! Classic!!!

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 1 month ago

mmj, Your sense of history sucks!

The repeal of prohibition did not cause mj to become illegal so that all of the prohibition agents still had work. MJ was barely noticeable back then. The prohibition law enforcement basically rolled right into the enforcement and regulation of legal alcohol.

The most basic reason why mj should be legalized, regulated and taxed is because the war on mj is irrevocably lost, the war is a huge source of money for gangs, it funds smuggling networks, and the object of the war is a drug pretty widely accepted by the population and causes, at most, minor harm to users.

The more we fight this war on drugs then the more we waste our resources and the more we weaken our country.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Scott- I was nowhere near trying to imply that the end of alcohol prohibition caused the new marijuana prohibition. You're absolutely right about marijuana being totally 'off the radar' back then. In fact, and you're probably aware of this already but, they made up the name marijuana for the prohibition of it. I digress... What I was saying was that, seeing how easy it was to instate a national law that prohibited something, those involved in originating the marijuana prohibition knew that there would be, worst case, minimal resistance at the onset of their prohibition. They counted on being able to easily recruit those that would want to be a part of this new "drug" enforcement because of the ties(lies) they drew between 'marihuana' and violent immigrants/non-Caucasian jazz musicians. And granted, some of the prohibition enforcers became regulators and enforcers of new alcohol laws. But do you honestly believe that all of them fell into that category? I have no factual data to back it up and I may well be totally wrong, but I don't think so. Notice that I didn't say that the repeal of the 18th amendment caused all alcohol prohibition officers to become DEA agents. I said that it would make them friendly to the idea. And besides, nowadays the DEA and the ATF are almost the same damn thing.

Other than that, great points on all the rest of your post.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Dook-

Gettin' kinda quiet over there. I found something today that caught my attention. I guess it's really no surprise that the article ends with, "...and no charges have been filed."

http://allaboutthegames.co.uk/feature_story.php?headline=Girl-mistakes-gun-for-Wii-controller---kills-herself-News&article_id=10318

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 1 month ago

Here's to all the gum flappers(you know who you are)-

It must be nice. I remember the days when talkin' a bunch of crap never meant much. The days were long. Nap times, recess and story time were all-consuming events that warranted undivided attention and were mostly well worth the effort. At worst case, arguing was brief and revolved around menial, vain things that had/have no real relevance to offer when pondering the great things of life. Punishment was a good "talking-to" or a time-out and no one was any worse for the wear.

However, and as it naturally happens to some, I grew up. The weight of my words began to mean more to me than the implied repercussions of, "...may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." Granted, the spirit of that quip is more about thick skin and not letting people get to you, but there's a lesson there nonetheless. The reality of life became increasingly clear to me as I began to understand the futility of physical violence. I guess it's more of a "pen is mightier than the sword" thing than anything else. But(paradoxically) if, actions truly speak louder than words, I was forced to ask myself if "shouting" was ever, really, all that necessary. In short, the way I thought about things was transformed. It's a bit difficult to explain but everything seemed to contain a little bit more importance/meaning than it did before. Things that didn't used to matter, all of a sudden did and the things that had mattered so much in the past began to lose their luster. Words became more than just a way to pass the time, fill conversation or embarrass someone.

I could go on for a little further but I'm starting to get tired. The long and short of it is that most of you naysayers are just here for the sake of being here. You don't really have any valid points to make on the subject and you're satisfied with merely attempting to get a rouse out of one of the pot-advocates that dares to disagree with you. Far be it from me to tell anyone how to spend their time on this earth. If it floats your boat and doesn't bring any harm to anyone....go for it. But don't waste your time hopping on here for a quick jab at a stoner unless you're going to stick around for a little debate. That sort of 'tact' doesn't get you anywhere in a debate and it'll most likely earn you the title of "s#!+ -talker." And who likes s#!+ -talkers?

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mmjPatient22 4 years ago

How 'bout this comment board? This one got few enough comments for everyone?

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mmjPatient22 4 years ago

Now, even the blue-collar heartland of America is getting in on the cannabis fight. Won't be long now.

http://hempnews.tv/2010/03/22/national-farmers-union-adopts-new-policy-on-industrial-hemp/

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