Ryan Fisher, co-owner of Rocky Mountain Remedies medical marijuana dispensary, fills out some paperwork in the business' new location in the 2700 block of Downhill Plaza. Steamboat Springs City Council will discuss an ordinance regulating dispensaries at tonight's meeting.

Photo by John F. Russell

Ryan Fisher, co-owner of Rocky Mountain Remedies medical marijuana dispensary, fills out some paperwork in the business' new location in the 2700 block of Downhill Plaza. Steamboat Springs City Council will discuss an ordinance regulating dispensaries at tonight's meeting.

City Council to look at drafted pot dispensary ordinance

Meeting tonight will start at 5 p.m.; council also will meet with West Acres residents

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Meeting agenda

5 p.m. Council convenes as the Liquor License Authority to review license requests

5:05 p.m. Summer Marketing Task Force update; discussion of a draft ordinance regulating medical marijuana dispensaries; New Victory Highway/West Acres Mobile Home Park update

6 p.m. Motions to submit grant applications; resolution approving the Steamboat Springs Local Marketing District operating plan and budget; second and final reading of an ordinance amending the city's affordable housing ordinance

7 p.m. Public comment; Planning Commission referrals; City Council and staff reports

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What: Steamboat Springs City Council meeting

When: 5 p.m. today

Where: Centennial Hall, 124 10th St.

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— Steamboat Springs City Council will take its first look today at an ordinance regulating medical marijuana dispensaries.

Under the draft ordinance, medical marijuana dispensaries would be allowed as a permitted use, with conditions, in some commercial and industrial zone districts, but they could not be located on the pedestrian level on Lincoln Avenue or Yampa Street.

Dispensaries are popping up in several Western Slope communities, and the ordinance being considered by council was spurred by several inquiries to the city by people hoping to open dispensaries in Steamboat. The city enacted a 90-day moratorium on such businesses last month, but not before two dispensaries opened their doors.

The ordinance is not up for a first reading today, but staff members will solicit council members' feedback on the draft. First and final readings of the ordinance are expected no later than Oct. 20 and Nov. 3, respectively.

The draft ordinance also would prevent dispensaries from locating within one mile of each other; locating within 1,000 feet of any school, park, playground, licensed child care facility, educational institution or correctional facility; operating as a home occupation; and allowing the use of marijuana or the possession of weapons on premises. Dispensaries would be required to meet certain security requirements, operate on an appointment-only basis, operate between the hours of 8 a.m. and 5 p.m., and follow certain advertising restrictions.

Ryan Fisher is co-owner of Rocky Mountain Remedies, one of the two dispensaries that beat the moratorium. Assistant City Attorney Dan Foote said the ordinance was partially built on regulations voluntarily suggested by Fisher and his partner, but Fisher said some of the rules are too onerous.

Fisher said he doesn't think dispensaries should be treated any differently than a pharmacy. For example, Fisher said the restriction on hours is excessive because some people work from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.

"I think that's unreasonable," Fisher said. "We're not looking to be open late, but you've got to have some hours to accommodate people."

Rocky Mountain Remedies and the other dispensary that beat the moratorium won't be subject to the ordinance, Foote said, because its rules would be made part of a permit that neither was required to obtain before opening.

Councilman Jon Quinn said the regulation prohibiting dispensaries within a mile of each other might be excessive.

"It's a small town, you know," Quinn said. "In the case of Steamboat, I'm not sure the net effect of that is what we're looking for."

Quinn said other provisions of the ordinance were appropriate, including one that would prevent dispensaries from using the word "marijuana" or depictions of the marijuana plant on signs or in other advertisements.

"You shouldn't be advertising to people walking down the street," Quinn said.

Also today, council will meet with residents of the West Acres Mobile Home Park who are fighting the planned construction of road through their dedicated greenbelts and are involved in a legal battle with the city to prevent it or receive $400,000 in compensation.

Residents say the city's condemnation of the property and construction of the road violates the public trust doctrine. City officials argue that they negotiated the road alignment with the mobile home park's owner and that the residents have no legal standing in the matter.

Comments

mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

Then you should look into getting some medication that alleviates your suffering my friend. If you'd like some information on the subject, I'd be pleased to give it to you.

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localboy17 4 years, 10 months ago

Hey John Quinn, If it's such a small town and having businesses so close together, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH SOOOO MANY STARBUCKS????

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

Now, regarding the ordinance on dispensaries in Steamboat; I might be a proponent of 8am for an opening time for the business because I'm more of a morning person than most. However, a 5pm cut-off time in the evening is going to piss a lot of people off. And when's the last time you had to set an appointment to get your medicine at the pharmacy at Wal-Mart or Lyon Drug? For Pete's sake, Wal-Mart gets to operate until 7pm during the week! If we're going to regulate this kind of thing, let's at least be reasonable about it. Are we heading back to the early days of marijuana prohibition when they made a law saying it was ok to grow with a "tax stamp" that they made completely un-available?(I know that's a bit of a stretch but it's the best I could come up with off the top of my head.) What will it take to get people over the stigma(s) of this incredible PLANT?

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StopTheBrutalChemtrails 4 years, 10 months ago

It sounds like city council is trying to get itself sued. Remember, this is the same city that loves us enough to add the toxic chemical fluoride to our water, thank you so much, city council, for being as bass-ackwards as you can be.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/240108Experiment.htm

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sandmountain 4 years, 10 months ago

I have a question. Isn't there a federal law stating that marajuana is illegal? So even tho the City permits it wouldn't it still be against the law, and couldn't they be arrested?

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bcpow 4 years, 10 months ago

State rights. The confederate flag has been replaced by a pot leaf. Can't wait to see it at Nascar races. Cause I know all God fearing, Fox loving tea partiers want the fed to stay out of our lives...right?

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Jeff_Kibler 4 years, 10 months ago

Sand and Well, marijuana possession is still illegal under federal law. Federal law trumps state law in this case. I doubt that Eric Holder's Justice Department will prosecute medicinal marijuana users and/or providers. I also doubt that Eric Holder's Justice Department will prosecute New Black Panther voter intimidation.

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Duke_bets 4 years, 10 months ago

Where did all the dope come from? The store is open. Correct? They did not grow marijuana in 1 month. Do they have a license for a legal growing operation?

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Jeff_Kibler 4 years, 10 months ago

Duke, that is an excellent question. Legal growing operation?

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MsRed 4 years, 10 months ago

According to friends who have MJ med card- you are allowed to have 6 total plants- 3 flowering, 3 vegitative. You are also allowed to designate a person of simualr standing to be a "care taker" of your property.

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Duke_bets 4 years, 10 months ago

MsRed - I don't know the laws and don't care to. The 2 owners obviously have cards. By your statements, they could have 6 plants ready to use / sell. My original question is still up for grabs? Where did all the dope come from? I'm not a herbologist, but question the fact that 6 plants could even produce what is in this picture.

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JustSomeJoe 4 years, 10 months ago

Duke - do you think the rules for a Medical MJ user (the six plants) are the same for a dispensary? I don't know, but I doubt it. If they are the same rules, then I think you have cracked the case my dear Watson!

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JustSomeJoe 4 years, 10 months ago

Hey Jeff - I just read your Eric Holder comment above. Have you been a racist since you were a child, or is it something that happened as you got older? Has it gotten worse since we elected a black president? You should see somebody about it.

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StopTheBrutalChemtrails 4 years, 10 months ago

Medical Marijuana Payback Burns Colorado Police Aurora Pot Grower Blazes New Legal Trail by Emil Steiner, Washington Post January 8th, 2008

Policing pot in Colorado is about to get a lot more complicated. The kick-in-the-door raids SWAT teams have long employed could now cost cities hundreds of thousands of dollars following two landmark court decisions upholding the state's constitutional protection of medical marijuana. Under the rulings, police departments are required to return any marijuana and paraphernalia taken from state-sanctioned growers, and can be sued by those growers if the crops aren't preserved.

The largest case thus far involves Kevin Dickes, who intends to sue the Denver suburb of Aurora for over $360,000 in pot damages. It comes less than a month after a judge ordered the return of an estimated $200,000 of medical marijuana to a couple in Fort Collins.

Dickes, a 38-year-old Desert Shield Marine who suffers from debilitating pain after catching grenade shrapnel in the Gulf, says he was treated worse by Colorado police than by anyone in Iraq. In April, 2007 officers raided his home after receiving a tip from a neighbor and, according to his lawyer Robert J. Corry Jr., threw the disabled veteran to the ground, held him at gunpoint and ransacked his home. They found 71 marijuana plants, at least 65 of which they confiscated illegally, and they charged Dickes with felony cultivation. After eight months of legal wrangling, the Arapahoe County district attorney dismissed the charges, determining that Dickes was in fact a certified grower. But, by then, his plants were long dead.

http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=%205387

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Scott Wedel 4 years, 10 months ago

Duke, Why are you asking about the law when you say you don't know and don't care to know.

I think the 6 plants do not have to be grown by the person using it. They can give the cards to others. Presumably, if 1,000 people gave their cards to a grower then that grower could legally under Colorado law grow 6,000 plants.

It is my understanding that one of the benefits of running a dispensary is that pot grown on one person's cards could be given to another patient. So once a person get a prescription then it could immediately be filled without having to wait for plants to grow.

Also, the Justice Dept has said they are not going to involve themselves with medical marijuana that is legal under state law. They have busted growing operations that produced some medical marijuana while selling the bulk of it on the streets. So claiming medical marijuana does not protect anyone from the feds, they just are staying away from small operations that appear to be legal under state law.

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StopTheBrutalChemtrails 4 years, 10 months ago

(4) (a) A patient may engage in the medical use of marijuana, with no more marijuana than is medically necessary to address a debilitating medical condition. A patient's medical use of marijuana, within the following limits, is lawful:

(I) No more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana; and

(II) No more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana.

(b) For quantities of marijuana in excess of these amounts, a patient or his or her primary care-giver may raise as an affirmative defense to charges of violation of state law that such greater amounts were medically necessary to address the patient's debilitating medical condition.

http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/hs/medicalmarijuana/mjamendment.html

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MsRed 4 years, 10 months ago

joe- Duke already said he doesn't care to know the law.

If anyone wants to get upset over something, how about the meth-heads... or the male fish in the Yampa having female eggs growing inside them next to their male organs!

Unlike the above two mentioned items...MJ is natural.

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aichempty 4 years, 10 months ago

The story on federal marijuana laws is simple; Obama ordered the DOJ not to prosectue anyone who is licensed by a state and is acting in accordance with state laws.

So, possession of medical marijuana in allowed quantities has been decriminalized under Obama. It could change after the next election.

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bandmama 4 years, 10 months ago

Alright, just gotta ask.... why all the debate on legal MJ use by sick people, when it has become obvious that the legal system cant keep tabs on convicted rapists and child molestors??? (Ah gee, think of Ms Duggard in the news recently, maybe you all have heard of her and her case?) I think it is a shame that "rapists get paroled to make room for for a dude who has sold a pound of weed?" (yeah 311...) Perhaps if half the time was spent on real criminals, our planet would be a safer place for all, including those that choose to partake in puff or two of a naturally growing, unprocessed botanical that happens to have a few possible health benefits. Some one has to ask..... Yes, Chemtrails I expect a nice long explanation on this one.

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Jeff_Kibler 4 years, 10 months ago

To most of the above: Duke asked "Where did all the dope come from?" It is obviously a rhetorical question. Please explain how they stock their shelves?

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bandmama 4 years, 10 months ago

Hmm, you are right Jeff, we are getting off track. Maybe you could stop by the new store and ask? (maybe they wont tell you, could be a trade secret!)

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Jeff_Kibler 4 years, 10 months ago

My guess is that their inventory is a mixture of BC Bud and Routt County Ragweed. Hey bandmama, let's start a band. We'll call it "The Bong Water Bandits."

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bandmama 4 years, 10 months ago

Jeff- Thanks for the invite. Think I will pass. Still waiting for a reasonable answer as to my question. I am very disappointed in Chem for not addressing this in a timely manner. Perhaps the fact checking system failed???

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cityworker 4 years, 10 months ago

This was a good article that I read when I was down in Boulder for a race. Informative for both sides. http://www.boulderweekly.com/20090813/coverstory.html

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Duke_bets 4 years, 10 months ago

Scott - You are correct that I don't care about the laws. If you would actually comprehend my statement, you would notice that I was not asking for anyone to intrepret the laws. I was asking where all the dope came from. The business has been open for less than 1 month and it looks like they have a bunch of dope for sale. And, you say that they could possibly have the other medical users cards..............What? So, you believe that other medical users gave up their Colorado legal stash so they could buy it back from a business? That's most likely not where all the dope came from, but thanks for the input.

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StopTheBrutalChemtrails 4 years, 10 months ago

The way I understand that to work, is that the patient can give his or her right to grow the 6 plants or whatever it ends up being, over to a grower in return for an ounce a month or something similar. Also, a dispensary can, of course buy the medication from the grower, they don't have to grow it themselves.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

A lot of this is for ol' Dukie boy:

According to the law, each medical marijuana(mmj) patient is entitled to choose whether they grow their own OR elect to assign a caregiver to farm for them instead. A caregiver is not necessarily a dispensary. Dispensaries usually care for a multitude of patients and some will not require the mmj cardholder to list them as their caregiver, while others do. On average, depending on whether you start from clones or seeds, a typical plant will require around 3-4 months to reach maturity. Once a caregiver has established a mature, harvest-ready crop, he/she will usually take care of their patients first. If there is a large part of the crop left over, some dispensaries will buy the left over medicine at a quality derived price. Seeing as how this whole Amendment 20 thing has been around for over 8 years, I'd say that there's more than enough opportunity, supply and CO-OP networks established in this state to provide for one lowly dispensary in our quiet little mountain town. So un-wad the britches that have congregated in your nether-regions and chill out. You appear to be ready to join and/or start a torch and pitch-fork mob to march over to the west end and tell some folk how much y'all don't take too kindly to our kind 'round h're. Next time, before you get as "uppity" as you seem to be over this whole thing, you should really go and educate yourself about an issue. With the internet the way it is today, almost any information you desire can be acquired. For example, if one were to go online and research marijuana and industrial hemp, they would find an historically documented resume for this plant that is yet to be rivaled by any other plant on earth. I have yet to hear a reasonable argument for the continuation of the prohibition of this natural plant. However, if you think you can drive it home for me, you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
Until next time, I'll be medicating.

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NchronicPain 4 years, 10 months ago

Well, well, well..... I've been under the weather for a few days now.... missed out on some good stuff here. mmjpatient, where have you been all this time?..... we needed your 2 cents on many other articles....

Thanks!

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

I've been lurking in the mist. I had been reading a few of the articles and their respective comments for a while before it dawned on me that some of the people that were leaving comments on here were just barfing up all the propaganda that had been crammed in their ears by our society. I have a strong hatred for BS and lies. So I decided to start barking some truth at people. I left some little nuggets of truth on some of the other articles regarding this subject, if you wanted to back-track.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, I just got done looking through the entire comment section for this article and I was just wondering which "2x4's" you had been arguing with?

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trump_suit 4 years, 10 months ago

And I give up arguing with some of these 2x4's.......

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trump_suit 4 years, 10 months ago

Check out the older threads. My opinions are will known. All drugs should be lagalized. We are not winning this war and it is silly to continue. Our resources would be better used to help the casulties of addiction than they are placing users in jail.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

Just checking. Wasn't sure what side of the metaphorical fence your grass was on.
As far as all drugs being "lagalized," as it was so eloquently put, I believe doing so would be a monumental mistake. I see absolutely no place in this world for a good majority of the drugs that, unfortunately, get looped in the same category as marijuana. The federal government classifies marijuana as a substance devoid of medicinal properties. It's company includes names like heroin, meth, cocain, PCP and a whole host of other really bad s#!t. Now, anyone that has had any experience with one or more of these substances and marijuana can tell you that out of everything on the list of schedule 1 narcotics, the most out of place one is........?????????...........you guessed it, marijuana.

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trump_suit 4 years, 10 months ago

MMJ, I just think that by making the use of these substances a crime we are fighting the wrong battle. I do not support the use of them, but it is clear that the current approach has failed to stem the supply and demand. I addition the costs in gangs, guns and violence in the supply chain has caused our society larger problems than the drugs themselves ever did.

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blue_spruce 4 years, 10 months ago

The "war on drugs" is a complete fiasco. Just like prohibition, it fuels the black market and therefore violent crime. We need to remove the black market from the equation (and the billions of dollars it creates for violent criminals including the Taliban!) and treat the problem head on. It is a sickness that we can only reasonably confront if we regulate it and control it. WHAT WE HAVE DONE UP UNTIL NOW IS A COMPLETE FAILURE. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

I agree with you guys that a vast majority of tax-payer money DUMPED on DEA, drug busts, and all subsequent arrests and imprisonments is a complete waste. And you're right, outlawing something only serves to further entice people to make money off of it however they can. Unfortunately, sometimes that can lead to violence. My main point is, we can't just do nothing about the problems that some of these drugs pose to youth in our nation. NO child needs to be subjected to the lifestyle that is all too often brought on by addiction to heavier, more hardcore drugs. I'm not trying to tell anyone how to raise a child or anything like that. I just think that legalization of some of these things could, potentially, hurt a lot of people. That's not to say that there's a shortage of violence and/or innocent casualties in the current system. The main concern that jumps out at me is how do we regulate/look out for/prosecute/punish the careless dirtbag that slips some heroin to a 10 year old. If heroin was legal, how could you not have a problem with some schmuck being legally allowed to offer it to your kids or your nieces/nephews? I just don't see how I wouldn't end up doing 25 to life for stopping that SOB's heartbeat.

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NchronicPain 4 years, 10 months ago

Thank you, again, mmjpat...

sensiblecolorado.org

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

My pleasure. I don't find it burden-some to speak about something that stirs so much passion in me. I believe that this nation is on the cusp of great change(s). Hopefully, enough impassioned people will get involved on the side of logic and reason to affect the outcome of the impending change(s). However, should the free, thinking, caring and fearless individuals in this country, the ones that actually have the ability to enact the CORRECT change(s), stay home and do nothing, we could be in a very bad spot. If we let the powers at be just do whatever they please, we are blindly hoarding each other towards the slaughter house. It's time that we, as a people, put our collective foot down and stop the corruption that is running rampant through our government. If we don't, who will? The world is tired of watching us screw everything up. When will the people of this nation get off the sidelines? And when/if we do, will it be too late?

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aichempty 4 years, 10 months ago

mmjPatient,

Unfortunately, you are wishing for the drug-addled losers to come forward and drive social change. If a kid cannot get through high school with basic skills because he's screwed up on pot and booze every chance he gets, why would you think he will come out and do something to benefit mankind.

It's hard enough to push a rope without trying to push a rope made from hemp.

The problem with marijuana is that there is no public perception that pot does anything good for anybody. Look at cigarettes in the history of film and media, and you will see that they were associated with sophistication, courage and strength (John Wayne, Humphrey Bogart, Lauren Bacall, etc). And pot is associated with an endless array of dumb$#!+ losers.

Find us just one meaningful contribution to science, technology, government or society in general that was produced by a chronic substance abuser outisde of the so-called "arts."

The use of psychoactive substances for recreational purposes is a plague.

The "powers that be" are the "powers" that be because they were ambitious enough to get out and work to be in charge. Such behavior is basically incompatible with substance abuse. When you spend more time and money on obtaining something to put your brain on hold than to get ahead in the real world where money and property define security, you cannot expect to get ahead and stay there.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

I almost held on to a ray of hope for you aich..empty. But it appears as though you've completely bought into the dream and the lies that your government has sold you.
As far as people that use pot never amounting to anything, I've yet to hear a rebuttal to the fact that our nation was founded by some pot heads that were tired of their former country/government/system telling them that they couldn't legally believe the things that they wanted to believe in. WAKE UP DUDE!!!! It's seems to be this infinitely wrong moral issue for you, when in reality, my usage, along with most people's usage, does not affect you in the least. I might also add that support of the marijuana industry at home means that money(s) that would have formerly been destined to support terrorist organizations, as our government claims, now gets to stay right here at home to help stimulate our failing economy. On top of taking away their drug trade profits, why not use marijuana as a bio-fuel crop that would strike a fatal blow to Big Oil everywhere? You can't possibly convince me that there has never been a terrorist group that's received financial support from some oil profit somewhere. Why not fight terrorism, right here on native soil, by buying locally?

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aichempty 4 years, 10 months ago

Wow. No oil dollars going into terrorism? Have you heard of a country called Libya? What about Iran?

Our founding fathers drank whiskey, smoked tobacco and probably smoked hemp. Do you think any of them found it necessary to stay screwed up on pot and booze to run their substantial agricultural, industrial and military careers?

Smoking pot or tobacco or drinking a glass of wine or a jigger of whiskey is not the issue. Chronic intoxication using alcohol or pot is the problem.

Hey, I know just exactly how screwed up the government is, and the most recent election proves that there's little hope for us. We're headed down the same road as Rome, only instead of lead poisoning, we're doing it with substance abuse.

The most important thing I learned during military service is that most people who survive a brush with death do so because they mostly saved themselves long enough for other people to show up and move them to a safe place. I'm alive today because I remembered my training and had the ability to think under pressure with, literally, seconds left to live. Contrast this to a person who passes out from intoxication and suffocates as the result of a grease fire.

Do you get it?

If you are a chronic substance abuser, you are cheating yourself more than anyone else. When you cross that line between pain relief and recreational abuse, you put yourself at the mercy of others if something goes wrong while you're ####ed-up just for fun.

Recreational abuse leads to addictive abuse and inevitably to a negative consequence down the line. If people who use pot were capable of abstaining at the point where harm begins to occur, it wouldn't be illegal. If you're lighting up to escape from the cruelties and inconveniences of life, then what does that do for you? It doesn't change your life, does it? And that's the whole problem. It only covers the problems instead of doing something to solve them. I guess that's okay if your problem is cancer, but when the problem is being too lazy to improve yourself, well, welcome to Steamboat Springs. Here's your sign.

So, why can't people just "say no" when they've had enough or it starts to cause problems? It's because the nature of the substance takes over and the person loses control. Solve that one, and you'll get the Nobel Prize.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

And you, somehow, must have read an extra chapter, or two, into my previous dialogue. NO where, in anything that I've ever written in my entire life, have I ever advocated marijuana use by kids/teenagers/non-legal adults. However, Amendment 20 does have stipulations for legal usage of medical marijuana by persons under the age of 18, provided there is parental consent. Does this mean that the state is preaching usage to teens? Of coarse not, how ridiculous! It does mean, however, that the authors, and subsequent supporters, of Amendment 20 saw/see the medicinal value that marijuana presents to people, and sometimes these people are under 18. Once again, I'm NOT, repeat NOT, advocating under-age usage! So, what does your "stoner flunkie in high school, that chose to mess his own life up" story have to do with anything? Where the hell are this kid's parents? You sound like someone that wants to ban guns, because they kill SO many people. It takes a finger, usually attached to a free-willed human, to operate the trigger or remote control. In short, people kill people, and sometimes they do it with guns. Many things can be mis-used. But I don't think that's the main point in the whole argument. Oh, and in regards money and property defining security.....who the hell cares about possessing the things that this corrupt system says are part of this grand "American Dream?" Yeah sure, you've got this nice comfy life, with all your pads and cushions. If that helps you sleep at night buddy, then sweet dreams.

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aichempty 4 years, 10 months ago

mmj,

There's apparently a large part of the population that wants to walk around stupid from smoking pot. Maybe it makes you paranoid, too.

Why don't you get the mothers of pot abusers to start a movement to legalize the stuff. Let's see how that goes, and then talk about how many supporters it has.

I've never met even one parent of a pot smoker who was happy about it.

Good luck. Check back with me in 30 years and let's see how you've done.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

Holy baton swingin' baboon Batman!!! I thought this whole thing was about medical marijuana? When did we start arguing about booze and cigarettes? That's a whole 'nother ball game bubba! If my severely impaired short-term memory serves me right, I believe the above article is about medical marijuana. Not idiots that ABUSE marijuana. Not being hungover/plastered/poisoned with alcohol. Not dieing from some horrible form of tobacco induced cancer(which, by the way, has been proven to be easier to fight while on medical marijuana). You're taking the platform for marijuana legalization and turning it into your own little pulpit to spew your brand of Americanism from. Get back on focus ya little robot!

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

Oh, and as soon as you find a cure for MS, you should let me know. I know some people that would be interested to hear about it. Maybe then they can finally stop enjoying their seizure free life with marijuana? Poor bastards....

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

"...the nature of the substance...." Are you a frickin' biologist or agriculture major? ...good god man!

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

And one last little tid-bit:

The only harm that was ever proven, by any study ever conducted to show the dangers of marijuana, was a result of gas-masking a couple of monkeys with marijuana smoke equivalent to smoking 20 joints in under 15 minutes. This experiment was continued until the ultimate result was suffocation. This process of suffocating produced another side effect in the monkeys....death. What a shocking conclusion Watson!!!! Now I've heard some things over the years about oxygen and breathing, but I've never heard of an organism that is able to sustain itself by substituting smoke inhalation in place of normal respiration. I bet I might be able to find a firefighter or two to vouch for that. First of all, how diabolical do you have to be to dream this one up? These people are the ones we should be hunting down and filling our over-stuffed jails with. Secondly, I challenge anyone, that is legally allowed and crazy enough, to smoke 20 marijuana cigarettes, not little Virginia Slim types either, in under 15 minutes. I've seen a lot of __ in my day, but I've never seen that. My point is, it's very easy to produce some believable statistics when you're acquiring them through extremely unreal circumstances. They might mean something, but it's very relative.

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freerider 4 years, 10 months ago

MMJ arguing with aich is like talking to Ann Coulter about the liberals , your wasting your time ......aich's one of the 2x4's that live in routt county , would have made a good SS officer , buys into all the brainwashing and propaganda

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

It's nice to know that I'm not alone. I was almost starting to get exhausted with all of this. There is a point, for some people, where you'd probably be more productive trying to teach Bush proper english. I do hold out hope for a majority of the populous, as far as being able to see the truth about marijuana and it's benefits, but some people are just a lost cause. People in this group include some of my own family, but what else would you expect from former law enforcement?

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aichempty 4 years, 10 months ago

The only good, sound argument for smoking medical marijuana is the annecdotal narrative by users who claim that other forms don't provide the necessary relief.

Is it necessary to be high to obtain relief?

Apparently it is for a large number of males under age 30 who have no other alternative . . . .

But why so angry? It's legal. The problem is over. You can grow your own or you can buy it from a licensed provider.

I think the problem is that you want everybody else to accept your use of it without judging you. Good luck. If it's legal, it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, right?

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

Well, yeah, that's kind of the point of making a law about it. Stop being so douche-ly about it all and lay off. You're right, it's legal. That's the whole point of being legal with it. People's judgments, like your own, are completely invalid and meaningless to me because I'm legal. "Oh NO!!! Aichempty thinks I'm a loser? What am I ever going to do with my life now? Someone, anyone please help!!!"

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aichempty 4 years, 10 months ago

People in this group include some of my own family, but what else would you expect from former law enforcement?<

You guys are so funny.

And while you're teaching Bush proper English, it's capitalized, and the other word is spelled "populace." Populous refers to the population density, not the population as a whole.

I feel sorry for you emmy. You've been dealt a rough hand, but a certain number of people are always going to believe the only reason for using pot is to get high.

Pain relief from opiates and their synthetic substitutes is possible without feeling overtly high or intoxicated. It's possible to function at a high intellectual level on low doses of pain killers without feeling high.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

Let the stubbornly ignorant be as they may, I say. You refuse to just let it go man.

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NchronicPain 4 years, 10 months ago

"Pain relief from opiates and their synthetic substitutes is possible without feeling overtly high or intoxicated. It's possible to function at a high intellectual level on low doses of pain killers without feeling high."

And the same this is possible with mmj, but even more so.

So your point is?

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aichempty 4 years, 10 months ago

Chronie,

Take a look at the majority of folks who sign up for MMJ. I think you'd have to admit they were using pot to get high long before they had a medical condition to warrant a license from the state.

There are abusers. Admit it. They hurt your cause. They are the worst thing that could happen to efforts to legalize and legitimize the use of medicinal THC in plant form. MMJ licensees should be the MOST vehement critics of recreational abuse, because it's the abusers who are holding up the process with the image they convey to the general public.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

So, we get looped in with the rest of the idiots that abuse it because they are caught doing stupid things while allegedly being stoned and/or stinking of pot? Am I understanding that correctly? Is that really the point you're making? Honestly? What if we held our men and women serving in the armed forces of this country in the same light as the Grade A jergoffs that decide to needlessly send them to a country that didn't attack us, in order to allegedly "spread freedom and democracy"? That would be pretty unfair, to say the least, right?

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NchronicPain 4 years, 10 months ago

Aich-a-nutty wrote to me, "Take a look at the majority of folks who sign up for MMJ. I think you'd have to admit they were using pot to get high long before they had a medical condition to warrant a license from the state.

There are abusers. Admit it. They hurt your cause. They are the worst thing that could happen to efforts to legalize and legitimize the use of medicinal THC in plant form. MMJ licensees should be the MOST vehement critics of recreational abuse, because it's the abusers who are holding up the process with the image they convey to the general public."

Admit what? What am I denying?There are abusers of everything that people do. I am not in disagreement with your theory that a large number of people are seeking medical marijuana cards in order to be able to smoke mj and be high all the time. BUT.... A HUGE majority of mmj cardholders and those seeking cards are suffering with some condition that mmj treats very well. You are correct when you say we, as cardholders, should be actively fighting against mindless, recreational use..... Are we not doing that? Aich, we have conversed numerous times over the past few months, where have you ever heard me endorse recreational use? To the contrary, I have even hinted at the fact that out-right legalization may not be the best idea, but it's better than this senseless prohibition. Period.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

Sure would be nice to, somehow, find a way to open up a dispensary next door to aich's house. I mean right next door. It wouldn't really accomplish anything other than giving me the distinct pleasure of operating such a business within spitting distance of his front door.

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trump_suit 4 years, 10 months ago

Just watching someone else argue with Aich for right now.

Aich, your well spoken opinions are not founded in facts. Each and everyone of your arguments fail when compared to already legal substances like alchohol and tobacco.

The war on drugs is costing us billions, gaining us nothing, and creating a larger problem than the drugs themselves. Are there problems with substance abuse? Yes, absolutely. You however fail to recognize the problems that are being caused by the current crime and punishment/black market approach. Prohibition did not work for alchohol, and it is not working for drugs.

For all of your vaunted common sense and education you simply seem incapable of seeing the larger picture on this issue. The examples from history are staring you in the face but you reject the obvious conclusion. Is not insanity defined as:

"Doing the same thing over and over while expecting a new results"

The current war on drugs is a failure and a new approach is needed to try and help those individuals that are in need of it. Thowing them in jail has not produced results.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

At the very least, you are grossly out-numbered and have very little to offer in this conversation, if you want to call it that. None of your points have any weight to them, nor do they draw respect from either side. You are insulting, ignorant and close-minded. If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on the fact that most of us are tired of reading your regurgitated version of anti-marijuana propaganda. I'd also bet that we can find more people to pick up a metaphorical pitch-fork or torch for our cause than you could for yours. It's time for this society to stand up and let this government know that we're not going to be afraid of it anymore. I think that Obama made a critical step in the right direction by putting the kabash on the Bush-era raid-crazed drug policies that put countless innocent people behind bars with hardened criminals for possessing some pot. What the hell were we thinking when we allowed Bush to become our leader....TWICE!?!? Obviously, one of two things happened: 1) We, as a society, had the most monumental lapse in judgment that has ever occurred, TWICE!! OR 2) Something happened that allowed the will of the people to be ignored and/or made invalid.....TWICE!!!! TWO-TIMES.....I'm exhausted.

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aichempty 4 years, 10 months ago

I really am. I should be trying to teach my dog to speak English instead of debating with pot smokers. At least the dog and I would enjoy the time together.

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mmjPatient22 4 years, 10 months ago

Hell, then you could put it on youtube! Maybe then there could be some documentation of your insanity. At the very least, you'd be entertaining the people that you're trying to mount a mob against.

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