Damon Schneider: Slap in the face

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What Congress is doing is repugnant to the Constitution and is a slap in the face to individual liberty. Whether you are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or independent, you are an American first. To see our Constitutional Republic devolve to the point that members of Congress openly admit that much of what they do goes against the Constitution should compel all of us to stop and think, reflect, maybe even pray. If you care at all about our freedom, we shouldn’t be talking about health care reform, we should be talking about congressional reform.

Representatives who voted for this bill are cowards. They ran from the Constitution that they swore to uphold and defend. Rather than represent their constituents (you did hear us at the town hall meetings, didn’t you?) they represented the lobbyists and special interest groups who stand to make fortunes if this anathema passes. It is my most sincere hope that your résumés are up to date.

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1999 5 years, 1 month ago

pray????

bahahahahaha... you lose credibility when you say stupid stuff like that.

i'm not for the bill but please..... pray????

pray for what?

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

Well said Damon, Whether one chooses to pray or hope, it is about the few in Congress that can make the long term right choice for this country and not sell our souls down the road for the benefit of the SEIU. That is what this huge handover is about, Obama has made it clear in all of his promises to the SEIU in his many speeches to them and to Andy Stern who is the most frequent visitor to the Oval office. Take action and call our state Senators now and tell them we are watching. 2010 can't come soon enough.

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blue_spruce 5 years, 1 month ago

okay, health care is a freakin' disaster. i'm 35 years old, healthy, and i pay more for my wife and my healthcare then our MORTGAGE! and quite frankly i feel we have it "pretty good" compared to many Americans. praying is great, but how do you intend to fix this problem? seriously, you offer no solution. Have you even thought of how to solve the problem……please help me understand.

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freerider 5 years, 1 month ago

1999 at least he's got a point , what's your's ? you have nothing to say here. Damon is right the white house has become the headquaters for corporate America and they are wiping their butt's with the bill of rights and the constitution.

Damon your a little naive here. This has been going on since John D. Rockefeller illegally created the federal reserve back in thirties on Jeckel island . The federal reserve is a private corporation that manipulates the banks by price fixing . The first corporate take over of the banking system and to be the first of many corporate take overs yet to come. If you really want to get involved then Senator Ron Paul is a constitutionalist that gets it.

John Kennedy was probably the last real president we had and look what happened to him. The rest of them are all corporate puppets including your senators and state representatives all bought and paid for doesn't matter which side of the fence left or right it's the same owner's that pay them to do what they say.

The problem is that the news media is all owned by the corporations and they will only back their puppets and people like Ron Paul don't have much of a chance. Meanwhile you are duped into thinking that you have a choice to vote Republican or Democrat which doesn't matter since it's the same owner. Corporation's . Meanwhile the media plays the blame game to confuse you and to program you to hate the left if your a Republican and hate the right if your a Democrat. This is the real scam that's going on and most people don't get it or don't care.

American's have become sheep and we have become part of the problem. As long as people insist on cheerleading for the Democrat's or Republican's there isn't much hope for congressional reform. If you support either party it's like throwing gas on a fire to try to put it out.

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

blue, Have you been in a cave for the last 6 months? This issue has been debated here on so many threads and the fixes for health care have been enumerated over and over again so please spare us the pro Obamacare talking points. Have you ever heard of tort reform for one?

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

Oh, and according to the CBO you can expect an increase in your health care costs under this plan. But look at the bright side they have already announced some rationing and I think women should be very worried because now the Gov won't pay for mammograms until you are 50. That could mean as many as 130,000 women who could have detected their cancer between the ages of 40 and 50 will be faced with a life and death battle because of Government rationing. That along with the $500 billion dollar cut to Medicare which will harm seniors, I'd say that this is a morally corrupt idea to say the least. But be happy to have a mortgage that is around a G a month.

Since no answer to tort reform how about interstate competition of policy purchases?

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1999 5 years, 1 month ago

hey, as I said I do not support the enormous ridiculous healthcare "fix". it's pure lunacy to me. it's a freaking mess.

i've got some ideas how to fix health care.

the problem starts with the COST of healthcare. not the cost of insurance.

i also agree that the white house has become corporate headquarters.

but seriously..... we should pray to fix it? that is also lunacy

no, we should get off of our butts and speak up.

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Troutguy 5 years, 1 month ago

While tort reform should be part of the heatlh care package, the CBO has said that it would reduce annual health care spending approximately 0.5%, hardly the huge savings that some believe will come of this action. Also, depending on what type of tort reform we're talking about, between 23-38 states already have some sort of tort reform on the books.

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Troutguy 5 years, 1 month ago

And, seeuski, the government is not going to start rationing mammograms. I believe you are referring to the conclusion of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force that SUGGESTS that women don't need mammograms until they are 50. This is not included in the health care package. This is not a mandate by govt. It was just a SUGGESTION. You seem to state this as fact.

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

Trout, I stated this as a warning, this is how the Obama administration has operated over the last year. We start to hear statements from different agents and then we get a new act of law. Net neutrality, gun control, taxes, new stimulus, card check etc. etc. I am sorry, I don't trust the powers to be, I still trust an unfettered free market. Don't you have any suspicion as to why we would get this crazy report now? What ever happened to all the warnings we used to here that women should get checked? Why not till 50? Cost.... period. How else can Obama add some 30 million new people to the insurance rolls and keep his promise of not adding a dime to the deficit? Please, some common sense unless you just believe after all the previous history that the Government will deliver an efficient health system.

And the CBO has fudged their numbers continuously since their first report came out last July. It indicated a huge cost increase with the reform bill which prompted Obama to call in CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf and threaten his butt in the Oval office, funny how the numbers went down, down, down after that tongue lashing.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124776550788052671.html

As far as the claim that tort reform won't make much difference I suggest you look into the success that has been seen in Texas since 2003 and their 25% reduction in premium cost along with the 40% increase in Doctors who are practicing there. I am not sure about any other state enacting such reform but I am aware of the failures of the single payer systems that were tried in states like Tennessee and Mass. The cost would inevitably come down due to lower Doctor malpractice insurance and the huge reduction in wasted testing on patients solely aimed at liability prevention from the lawyers. But what do I know? I am just another sheeple I guess following the GOP spin right?

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Brian Kotowski 5 years, 1 month ago

Shomari Stone: Do you think it’s fair to send people to jail who don’t buy health insurance?

Nancy Pelosi: The legislation is very fair in this respect.

I did martial arts when I was younger, and was frequently nicked up. There was an extended period during that time when I was deliberately uninsured. On those occasions when I required medical attention, I went to the ER or the walk-in clinic & paid out of pocket. The ER/clinic admins were happy to set up a payment plan when I couldn’t afford to settle the bill immediately.

At the end of the day, my gamble paid off. The $$ I shelled out at the ER & walk-in clinics was considerably less than I would have paid into the plans available to me at the time. Now that I’m in my 40s, it’s a risk I choose not to take. But it’s a choice that should remain available.

In ObamaPelosi World, of course, I should have been doing jail time back in the day.

All hail our new socialist overlords!

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Troutguy 5 years, 1 month ago

Seeuski, we definitely are in agreement about lack of trust by those in power (can't agree on the free market thing, though. i.e. the currant financial mess). Also, I don't support health care reform in its current form. Freerider's got it right when he says our govt. is in the pocket of big corporations. While we the people will get thrown a few bones, for the most part the only winners here will be the drugmakers and the insurance companies. Unfortunately, the Rupublican plan that was offered up for a vote last week would only insure 3 million more people than now after ten years. The CBO also said it would cost more than the Democrats plan already out there. So, we are stuck with the Dems plan because they are the party in power. It's a real head scratcher when the Senate approves $626 billion annual defense budget ($6.9 billion for things the military says it doesn't even need!! Can you say PORK) and nobody bats an eye. But you try to spend some money here at home to try to cover all Americans with health coverage, and everybody's panties get all bunched up. Health care for all? Nah. Let's spend a few billion on some planes we don't need so the defense contractor in my district is happy. American politics at its best!

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

Trout, I think you mean well but I just don't think you are keeping an informative eye on the true winners in this health care scam, how could it be the insurance companies? They are the bad guys that are under attack. It is SEIU and it is the Lawyers unions and it is AARP and it is the AMA and it is big PHARMA and most of all it is the Democrats as they believe this to be their ticket to long term power. I am proud to say that I watch the Beck show and it is ironic that his show today dealt with the new Government mammogram guidelines because as it turns out this same Political panel just 6 months ago was doing as all other medical groups did, recommend constant self checks and mammograms for women 40 and over. Why all of a sudden are they saying not to worry till your 50? A Doctor, name escapes me, was on the show and she said that this panel does in fact set the standards. This is no doubt how Obama plans to tamp down costs, rationing. I will be surprised if women and the men who love their women don't stop and say to themselves, wait a minute this does not make any sense something is wrong here. My sister suffered double breast cancer before the age of 50, as do so many other women, and survives to this day because of screening. She would be dead under a Government system that did not screen until 50. But don't worry, the Government will soon go after men with colon and prostate screening next. That could bring huge savings. My point is that we can't let big brother take over our lives like this. The Republican proposals that you say increases cost but do little as opposed to the Dems doing much more for much less makes no sense . Do the math. Laws already protect uninsured and the nonsense that proponents like Congressman Grayson, the loon from Florida, who say 14,000 die in the streets each year is a load of bull. They have been working over the American people to feel guilty and support this power grab. Fall for it at our peril people.

Oh, and the NEA has just put Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for radicals, on the school must read list. If you people are Marxist minded then I assume you are ok with our children getting this indoctrination.

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

That youtube video should be a wake up call to all Americans.

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Troutguy 5 years, 1 month ago

The insurance companies are going to make out like bandits with the 30 million or so mandatory new customers they are going to have.

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

Troutguy, You have just legitimized a statement made by sledneck some days ago that people should have an aptitude test before voting. While this may seem like a personal attack it is an attack on your lack of knowledge about what this health care reform will do to all of us. First of all we will start paying for the reforms now and no benefits will kick in until 2014. 10 years of paying for 5 years of service and this is the cost formula you are seeing in the media which claims it is only $849 billion over the 10 years. If services were rendered during the whole period then it would cost twice as much. Plus they are not including the Doctors budget of $200 billion times 2. Next, 30 million new enrollees will not be covered by private carriers, that is what this bill is all about, killing off the insurance companies for the Governments single payer plan. For those of us who have been paying attention and reading large portions of these bills we know what is coming and it ain't pretty. You think the Tea Parties around the country this Summer and Fall were big well just watch what happens form here. Our Country is being transformed into a global Socialist state and added to the New World Order but it is each and every one of us who will share in the cost of the wealth being taken from the USA and given to the other states. But don't mind me I must be nutso, Obama would never do that. We are all being lied to by this White House.

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jimmmmmm 5 years, 1 month ago

Way to go Seeuski-just can't get enough of the fear mongering. When are you going to stop just restating what your boy Beckerhead said on his daily show. New World Order-that crap hasn't been thrown around since Clinton.

There you go again trying to convince anyone who cares to read your nonsense that Texas has a great health care system. You fail to mention that 25% of Texans don't have any coverage. Texas is near the bottom of the list for health care performance (according to Commonwealth Funds 2009 scorecard of state health care performance). When it comes to health care access and equity, Texas is dead last. So quit with your big claims that Texas has it all figured out. Health care costs in Texas have continued to increase-check your facts from somewhere else besides Cluster Fox. Fixed News has been real honest lately, haven't they?

I'm surprised you could put down your brand new Sarah Palin book long enough to post. Hope you enjoy that wonderful piece of b.s., that is being discredited daily. Go rogue Seeuski.

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trump_suit 5 years, 1 month ago

You have to understand that if Glen Beck talks about an issue, Seeuski treats it as hard fact. The entire posting history by seeuski is a summary of Glen Beck's rant of the day.

I do not hold that opinion against him necessarily, but in my opinion, seeuski needs a wider source of information.

Insurance reform is overdue and needed badly. The rest is scare tactics by the Republican right to try and divert attention from the real problems in the industry.; What about the CBO findings that if we do absolutely nothing the costs will exceed any of the Democratic proposals? What about the findings that if we do nothing, Healthcare costs will represent 30-40% of the annual Federal budget by 2030?

It seems to me that there must be some republican ideas about healthcare reform other than crossing state lines and torte reform. Both of those things are good but do nothing to stop the insurance companies from purging sick people or from raising premiums out of sight when they choose to remove people from their insurance plans. The abuses are clear if you just open your eyes and do the research. Why is it that no Republican is even willing to have an honest conversation about the issue of pre-existing conditions or the purging of insurance policies for higher profits. Surely there must be some Republican ideas to address these abuses.

I have said before and will again. The public option/gov't healthcare is truly a concern. I do not support the gov't in every aspect of our lives. Having said that, it is the Governments role to level the playing field for all, to establish the rules of play and to watch private industry do its magic. In this case, there are some new nrules that need to be applied to health insurance industry. I hope that our Senators and members of Congress have the guts to get those changes made.

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Brian Kotowski 5 years, 1 month ago

jimmmmmm & trump_suit:

Do you agree with Speaker Pelosi that the uninsured should be incarcerated?

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JusWondering 5 years, 1 month ago

So earlier this week the Feds said mammograms aren't necessary until 50 and then only a day change the standards for cervical cancer screenings. More to come... What do you think the long-term impact is of that decision even in our current healthcare system.

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trump_suit 5 years, 1 month ago

SEP,

No, I do not agree with that. However, you told a story where you took a chance and went without health insurance for several years. In your words, you spent less on actual doctors than you would have in premiums, and in the end it worked out ok.

I was diagnosed with Cancer at the ripe old age of 24. Had I not been insured that $150,000 bill would have bankrupted my family. What would you have done had you been in a serious auto accident, or diagnosed with a major disease? It only takes one wrong turn by another driver to put you several hundred thousand dollars in debt. Who pays that cost if you are not insured?

Policy holders are paying for the uninsured right now in premium rates. You can call it a tax or a premium but the result is the same. Those people that hold and pay for health insurance are subsidizing those that do not. I would rather have a system that covers everyone than pay for the extremely expensive emergency room care for the un-insured.

When hospitals have excess costs, they don't eat them or send a bill to uncle sam, they pass those costs along to their customers. IE those of us with insurance by raising prices, fees and by rationing care. That is happening right now.

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trump_suit 5 years, 1 month ago

PS Seeuski doesn't like it, but the Gov't holds you to many requirements right now.

You must have auto insurance to drive. You must take Hunters safety to hunt. You must have drivers license to drive. You must have a building permit to build almost anything. You must have a pilots license to fly. A Doctor must have malpractice insurance A contractor must have liability insurance

There are penalties for each of these lapses. Why is health insurance any different? No I do not support incarceration, but it is time to require individuals to support themselves, or to provide that coverage for the via Medicaid etc. The costs of not doing so are higher than the costs of requiring that coverage.

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

Hope all of you Olberman talking points people feel better now. Whew, had to get the big bad seeuski for talking bad about the "insurance reform bill", Obama's words, and keeping us from the shangri-la that the Government is promising us. Rather than call me names and showing your disdain for Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin why not prove us wrong? What is so hard about looking at the immediate collections that the new "Health care Government takeover bill" calls for and the delay of services provided until 2014? How can you accept that Reid and Pelosi along with their dear leader Obama are telling you that this will "slash the deficit" when they are using fuzzy math to sell their snake oil? Why are we now getting these Government reports on cancer screening that say hey people don't worry. you now won't have to get screened till your 50? And how many times were we lied to that abortions would not be funded by tax dollars but there it is in the bill? Trump, you keep saying things like...... "I have said before and will again. The public option/gov't healthcare is truly a concern. I do not support the gov't in every aspect of our lives. Having said that, it is the Governments role to level the playing field for all, to establish the rules of play and to watch private industry do its magic." Why not stop and just be honest, you are excited about the Government shutting down those mean old insurance companies. After all you did have a $150k insurance tab that they picked up but you believe that the Government would have treated you better and more efficiently. Good luck. As far as leveling the playing field, it is the Congress that has ruined the playing field and caused these and many other problems in the economy, ie. Fannie/Freddie and the restrictions on competition among health insurance carriers. I pray that a few good Senators save us from this catastrophe on Saturday night but if they don't God help us all because we are all mortal beings in the end. All this written by me hours before the Glenn Beck show even airs, WOW.

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

trump, Those left wing talking points you are using is for actions that require insurance or licensing. People may choose not to hunt or drive etc. and therefore they do not require "all" of us to pony up. How hard is it to see that we are being herded like sheep into a controlled monopoly held by those in power. They will know how you voted, whether you paid your taxes and your criminal record etc. as they decide your individual medical treatments. Now that is true fear mongering ain't it? Aw shucks though, I really do trust those Government people not to do mean things. Good luck. Once they have taken your rights and freedoms they are gone for good.

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Troutguy 5 years, 1 month ago

JusWondering, just want to let you know that the Feds had nothing to do with the cervical cancer screening guidelines. It was put forward by a private medical group, The American College of Obstetrics and Gynecologists. Also, the recommendation on mammogram screenings are just that. A RECOMMENDATION. It is not part of the health care package being debated in the Senate, nor is it poised to become law. It is all part of the health care discussion. How can we control costs?

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

By telling women not to check themselves? But this has NOTHING to do with floating a trial balloon for rationing, Noooo waaayyy. Troutguy promises.

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JLM 5 years, 1 month ago

"You must have auto insurance to drive." <<< however, you must buy your own car and the insurance does not cover the cost of fuel, oil, tires and maintenance --- for these costs, the insured pays

"You must take Hunters safety to hunt." <<<however, you have to pay for the course and when you go hunting, you must pay for your own rifle and ammunition

"You must have drivers license to drive." <<<however, you may elect not to drive and then you have no requirement to obtain a drivers licesne

"You must have a building permit to build almost anything."

"You must have a pilots license to fly."<<<<however, you have to pay for your own plane, pay for your own fuel, oil, maintenance, annual inspections, health physicals, charts, approach plates and landing fees

"A Doctor must have malpractice insurance"<<<actually, NO, a doctor can elect to be self insured and may compartmentalize his personal assets beyond the reach of creditors by creating a professional corp or LLC thereby making himself "judgement proof"

"A contractor must have liability insurance"<<<actually, NO, again a contractor may self insure --- not advisable in my book

There is absolutely no reason the examples you list could not be excellent exemplars for tailoring health insurance to embrace personal responsibility and wellness. There is no reason health insurance could not simply be catastrophic coverage --- after all, isn't that exactly what auto, life and property insurance is at the end of the day?

Unfortunately what we are really talking about is FREE health care. Alas!

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

They can't follow up with that argument because they are repeating what they get from the pro Obama blogs. There will be no free health care, we are just losing our freedom to make our own health care choices. Again to my foes here, we are all mortal and this will effect us all the same way. What a ride we are embarking on for sure.

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Troutguy 5 years, 1 month ago

Can't argue with the slippery slope theory, Seeuski. You're crystal ball must be really clear today, because you sure seem to know exactly what is going to happen way before the rest of us. And I don't believe anyone is talking about free health care in this forum, so I'm not exactly sure where that came from.

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JLM 5 years, 1 month ago

Of course we are talking about "free" health care, you addlepated dunce.

I didn't want to actually call you a "moron" as I thought that to be a bit harsh, but I did somehow want to convey my frustration at your missing something so obvious, so I opted for "addlepated dunce" thinking it was not as insulting as "moron". Kind of a more sensitive insult.

I sure hope that is OK and I apologize in advance for being so seemingly insensitive and rude but it is time to get serious about this and stop pretending we are just talking about moving Thanksgiving from Thursday to Friday. Know what I mean?

Every employer with a payroll in excess of $500K is going to be REQUIRED to provide health care insurance for its employees which must comply with specifications dictated by the government. This will be further funded by a new payroll tax on the same employers and a 5.84% supplemental income tax on all incomes higher than $200K.

Already the top 10% of all wage earners in the US pay virtually all the income taxes paid and the bottom 52% not only pay NOTHING but they get a check back.

So, yes, we really are talking about FREE HEALTHCARE and not just chatting about some mythical insurance program.

What planet are you from anyway?

The only saving grace is that President Obama may actually, really, truly bankrupt the country and it will be necessary to start from scratch and maybe we can it done right on the "do over"! LOL

BTW, if you had a financial problem and needed to create some good jobs quickly wouldn't you make war on the segment of our society which actually knows how to create jobs? No? Hey, it's not fair to actually use common sense!

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trump_suit 5 years, 1 month ago

JLM I have already agreed to some of those points as you well know. I agree that each and every citizen should have "Skin in the game" when it comes to healthcare. Paying for a portion of every single service is a good way to start. It helps people control their own expenditures instead of being hidden from the true costs of treatment.

What is wrong here is still 25 years after the cancer incident I find myself unable to procure helath insurance unless myself or my spouse is employed by a major company. Why are the premium numbers so muich higher for a self employed individual or a small 5-10 person company.

This is absurd the risk of insuring me is the same regardless who I work for. The insurance companies try to pick and choose the best risk they are not very successful at doing so and they raise rates on smaller groups without just cause. Anytime an employee of a small group or a self employed individual gets a major disease they quickly find their insurance rates skyrocketing. An employee of a large corporation encounters no such increases. WHY does the happen? The rates should be the same for a 45 year old white male regardless of where he lives or what he does for a living. Factors like smoking and obiesity should raise that persons rates.

These are the kinds of changes that are in all of the proposed bills that I support. The Government providing health insurance does none of this but major chucks of this legislation are necessary and it includes requiring all of us to pay for and carry health insurance.

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

Trump, How do you feel about the new Government panel recommendations about cancer screenings? Having had cancer at a youthful age I would suppose that you would be very concerned about these preludes to rationing. And your stated concerns about coverages can be dealt with without socialized medicine which is what we are about to get if this pile of garbage is passed. It's kinda pathetic that Obama is now bribing for votes using our tax dollars. $100 million dollars specifically for Mary Landrieu's vote. Chicago mafia politics, hey you's give me da vote and I'll pay ya big. If Bush had done this crap the media and the country would be yelling for Impeachment, and they would probably get it, rightly so.

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trump_suit 5 years, 1 month ago

Seeuski,, get it thru your head one time. Those recommedations for women were not made by a "Gov't panel" and have nothing to do with this debate. Your death panels are not real your birther conspiracy was completeley fabricated.

No, socialized medicine is not going to work, but changing the rules for heath insurance companies is necessary and overdue.

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trump_suit 5 years, 1 month ago

Seeuski, you seem so dead set against providing health benefits for illegal immigrants. Read this NY Times article and tell me, who is paying for this now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/health/policy/21grady.html?_r=1&hp

The coorect answer is every person that uses this hospital or pays insurance premiums. These expenses do not just go away, they are born by those of us that have paid our premiums over the years. It's just not called a tax so you think it isn't socialized. I don't know what else you call it. Anyone?

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

So trump ignores my question and accuses me of going after illegals. Trump do you think people like me are stupid and don't know that our premiums currently reflect unpaid hospital visits? Or how about the deficit of what Medicare payments leave us? Medicare pays something like 60 cents on the dollar of costs and the private insurance covers the balance. WAKE UP!!! You and I are about to fund the whole ball of wax and the big Unions like SEIU are the big winners. And please, spare me the NYT ragpaper crapola, I already know whats up because I've had my eyes open to this nightmare. You aren't good enough to sell ice to the Eskimos my friend, leave that to Obama, it seems to have worked just fine on you. P.S. I hope you remain healthy for many years to come but you should be concerned if, God forbid, you have any relapses and we are under social medicine when that happens. What good is it to have a Government policy when the Government is rationing you out of service? Answer: It's worthless so we will be the ones running to other countries for care as is the case the other way around now.

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

I must apologize to trump, I should have looked at that article before I posted because it would have inflamed me even more. Close the dam boarders now. This country is in bankruptcy and you are looking for sympathy from us taxpayers for people who illegally enter the US for free health care. Destroy the USA for compassionate reasons, wonderful.

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Sara Gleason 5 years, 1 month ago

Tonight seems like an especially appropriate time to chime in.
Trump-yesterday, while actually undergoing the latest "smear" on cancer screenings, I asked my Dr what she thought about the new regulations (sorry for the pun, but the opportunity would never happen again). She told me that while cervical cancer is a very slow growing cancer, it is more often detected in young women with multiple sexual partners. Pushing back these guidelines puts the women who could be "cured" into great risk. In addition, 40% of women who are "cured" of their breast cancer are under the age of 50. I am sorry that you have dealt with your own health struggle, but do you honestly believe that urging women to avoid cancer screenings is the way to go? What if your gov approved health plan/public option did not allow you to get those screenings? Are we really facing an America with state funded abortions and a black market in mammograms and pap smears?

Jimmm-barack husein obama-mmm...There is a reason that you are forced (by your STATE, not by your country) to get your car, business, gun, dog, etc. insured is to protect other people, not to protect yourself. I'm not sure you are familiar with the contract that the government made with the people 200ish years ago, since you certainly seem a little naive, Let me enlighten you. You have 3 GOD given rights-life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness. That does not include the mandate by the government to purchase something that will cost the average family of four $15,000 a year. How about let's limit the amount that legit attorneys can collect five percent in a malpractice suit that may be settled only as an attempt to cover a Dr's you know what, instead of the 50-70 percent they currently demand? How about letting me purchase a plan from an economy that is more centrally located (aka Wyoming) than making me a subject to the people who live farther away-Boulder, Denver, etc? All of these proposals have been made to congress, the senate, and yet the people (not including martians) have not heard of them because everyone is worrying about everyone else. Trust me, Jim, if you just worry about yourself that would be more than enough to occupy your mind.

PS-no matter what, please make sure you are aware of your own health and the factors that may affect that. Get your mams and smears...I find it pretty ironic that there have been no government suggestions to stop screening for prostate cancer. It sucks, but just do it!

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Sara Gleason 5 years, 1 month ago

PPS-why do we have so many govt pannels that select the criteria that determine what our insurance will or will not pay for? And when they are dismissed because there are more than one of them, why do we have so many?

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

Only a miracle will stop this power grab now Sara, with the bribery by the White House for Mary Landrieu's vote last night using $300 million dollars of our money we had no chance. The Senate can now pass the bill with 51 votes and mark my words, Landrieu and the few other Dems that will vote against the bills final passage will do it with Obama's blessings. So our health care system will see big changes in 4 years along with a further collapse of the economy. Raising taxes on employers and the middle class has always failed. I did hear the champagne corks popping over at SEIU last night.

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Steve Shelesky 5 years, 1 month ago

I wonder if the economics of the Dems plan has been been compared by the CBO to the following baseline:

  1. (# uninsured) - (# those that can afford it, but don't) = "True Need"

  2. ((Current healthcare costs) - (current free treatment to True Need)) / # of insured = "true healthcare cost per insured person"

  3. Let Taxpayers directly insure the citizens with True Need, but apply the true cost of healthcare.

Of course, in addition to pulling the expense of an uninsured citizen getting treatment at the ER out of the cost basis, there's the other low hanging fruit --tort reform, portability of policies, etc.

Do political solutions to economic problems ever work?

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seeuski 5 years, 1 month ago

The CBO was forced by Obama to score the health care bill by using the new tax income and policy income for 10 years and subtracting from that amount 5 years of actual service and not include the Doctor fix supplement of $200 billion. We are being scammed.

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Brian Kotowski 5 years ago

Interesting numbers from Rasmussen: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/november_2009/71_angry_at_federal_government_up_five_points_since_september

71% Angry at federal govt policies; +5 pts since Sept. A plurality of 46% characterize themselves as very angry; +10 pts since Sept.

Health care: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/november_2009/71_angry_at_federal_government_up_five_points_since_september

Democrat proposals are presently opposed by voters 53-41.

Trust on issues: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues

Voters trust Repubs over Dems on 8 out of 10 issues, including the economy, taxes, and national security.

Not good news for the Dems, especially since the GOP hasn't done anything except piss & moan.

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