Bob Printy and Tony Weiss: Repugnant report

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Dear Congressman Salazar,

On Memorial Day, a special combined meeting of American Legion Post 44 and Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 4264 was held in Steamboat Springs. A motion was made, seconded and passed unanimously that we ask you to seek the resignation, removal or impeachment of Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

The Steamboat Springs posts seek this action in response to the Department of Homeland Security report released April 7, 2009. The report was titled "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." The members of the posts find it most upsetting that the report focuses on unsubstantiated statements that veterans and returning veterans have the potential to emerge as terrorist groups.

Between our organization, we have 192 members or former members of the armed forces of the United States. More than 1,700 veterans live in Routt County. Many of us have sons, daughters, brothers, sisters and close friends who are serving or have served. We are proud of our service and the service of those we know. We are appalled that the secretary of Homeland Security sees veterans as citizens not to be honored for their service, but to be treated as threats.

Many of us are old enough to remember how this country treated war fighters returning from Vietnam. We will never forget. Now, one of our highest public officials, a person presumably in direct line of succession to the office of president, has given voice to a mean-spirited and unfounded negative view of the men and women who are now serving or who have served in the armed forces. It is repugnant to us that she is responsible for the security of the homeland all of us have sworn to - and many of us have fought - to defend.

Bob Printy

Commander of American Legion Post 44

Tony Weiss

Commander of Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 4264

Comments

Terry Noble 5 years, 4 months ago

Knowing Bob and Tony and being a past member of the VFW I'm confident they did their research on this. It never ceases to amaze me how the same people come in here and use the comment section to personally attack each other and/or the Pilot. For shame, for shame! Grow up! You're NOT setting a good example for our youth.

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dave fisher 5 years, 4 months ago

Bob and Tony; With all respect that is due to those who have honorably served our nation, those currently in service and those yet to serve; at least one Iraq war veteran has previously engaged in activities of domestic terrorism- i honestly don't believe that the report is "unsubstantiated" although it is certainly disturbing. We as a nation need to do more to look after those who have served and return disabled, both physically and mentally. That is without question something that has not ocurred historically and certainly something that we as a nation must do to truly honor those who served in the past (and those who will serve in the future). We should never forget our veterans who have served honorably- there are many millions of them. Nor should we forget the very few who, for whatever reason, have gone astray after they have returned.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Not one mention of Muslim extremists were included in that report. The 24 year old army recruiter who was shot dead and the 20 year old seriously wounded by a black Muslim convert in Arkansas has gotten little mention in the left wing circles. Reports that this guy had accomplices and was going to kill more, maybe this could have been prevented had our Homeland Security been doing the job they were intended for. The fact that the FBI had been trailing this scumbag for a year is proof that our current White House is playing dangerous political games using homeland security. And now, HS is after the sheriff of Maricopa county in Arizona because he applies the law to illegals. We will have to endure these dangerous anti American games for at least 31/2 years, maybe less if Americans join in a class action lawsuit to force Obama to produce his long version vaulted Birth Certificate. God help us survive this attack from within.

To LTFO, Why aren't you condemning Obama for continuing the wars? That is what you voted for, to end the wars, isn't it? He could just bring our Honorable Soldiers right home could he not? Rather than have his puppets insult all of them.

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Tim Scannell 5 years, 4 months ago

Dave, Last weekend, seven African American males were killed in the City of Chicago due to black-on-black handgun violence. Should we assume that all African American males are killers? Of course not. Are you painting all veterans with a brush due to the crazy activities of Timothy McVeigh? Are you assuming that his 3 yr military career was the cause of his actions? How about the fact that he was a white supremacist nut-job or that he gave a different reason for the bombing? Are you suggesting that because one crazy person killed Dr. Hiller that anyone who is right-to life is an extremist who could be a killer?

What an embarrassing argument. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good opinion!

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Who was involved with McVeigh and Nichols?

"JAYNA DAVIS: Because the evidence is overwhelming. Although there is no dead-bang connection to the nation of Iraq for sponsorship, there are very compelling indicators. I was working as a reporter for the NBC affiliate in Oklahoma City, and one of the first reporters on the scene of the Oklahoma bombing of the federal building. And, one groundbreaking lead to our station led me directly to the doorstep of what several esteemed intelligence experts have told me was a Middle East terrorist cell, Lou, living and operating in the heart of Oklahoma City.

And several witnesses, 22 in all, have signed sworn witness affidavits and positively identified eight Middle Eastern men acting in collusion with McVeigh and Nichols at various stages of the bombing plot. Those Middle Eastern men, the majority of whom are Iraqi soldiers. One soldier in particular, Lou, is Hussein Al-Husani (ph), and he was identified by seven witnesses, tying him to Timothy McVeigh, the Ryder truck, downtown Oklahoma City and the get-away vehicle aggressively pursued by the FBI the morning of the bombing."

The full interview.

http://www.jaynadavis.com/cnn.html

This won't mean anything to some, but to the rest, this could open some minds to the reality of what has been going on for years and why we should not continue the hate Bush ideals of the last eight years. Our lives and future is at stake.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Jayna Davis interview, http://www.jaynadavis.com/media/interview.wmv

Thanks Jonathan, Not a mention of home grown Muslim terrorists. And yet, there have been several of those types of cells broken up over the last several years and now evidence surfaces that the FBI was on active surveillance of just such types while the new Obama Homeland Security department was preparing this farce. And the death of one soldier and injury of another could have been avoided. Who in the world has declared jihad on the US anyway?

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Duke_bets 5 years, 4 months ago

seeuski - Who created Homeland Security? You should watch the 'Harold and Kumar' movie. That silly comedy speaks volumes on Homeland Security. And, what is it with your man-crush on W?

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

LTFO, I pulled my panties out and still you make no mention of the continuing threat from Islamic extremists. Did a home grown Muslim terrorist just kill one soldier and wound another or not? Were four of these same kind arrested in NY a couple of weeks ago just before carrying out attacks on Jewish centers? I say the threat assessment by the new Obama Homeland Security czar, Napolitano, is nothing more than a political document made to make people like you, who voted for the current POTUS, feel good. It would be different if the report included security threats from Islamic terrorists, left wing groups like ELF along with white supremacists etc. etc.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

What is the topic? Whatever you say, or the Department of Homeland Security report released April 7, 2009? Try rereading your original post about the "Irak war".

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Duke_bets 5 years, 4 months ago

seeuski - There are also continued threats from meteors, tsunamis, lightning strikes and flooding to name a few. You can find a national article on one of those every day. You don't hear the Christians bashing those reports and claiming that the writer is atheist.

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Jonathan Casson 5 years, 4 months ago

Apparently, one of the issues here is the perception that this report was a partisan effort by the Democratic administration to vilify republicans and conservatives. However, the right wing extremism report was prepared by the Extremism and Radicalization Branch of DHS' Homeland Environment and Threat Analysis Division. That Division fell under the then Acting Under Secretary For Intelligence & Analysis Roger Mackin, who was appointed on September 10, 2008 by President George W. Bush. In fact, many of the top officials at the Department of Homeland Security are Bush (or Chertoff) appointees.

http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/gc_1157655281546.shtm

The DHS publishes dozens of threat assessment memos per year. The focus here is on one small piece that the rightwing has latched onto to attack the new administration. Seeuski- there are dozens of DHS documents available for public review regarding militant muslim groups and every other group that might have terrorist aspirations. For example, here is a similar report outlining the Left Wing Extremist threat assessment published in January of 2009.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Leftwing_Extremist_Threat.pdf

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Nice job Casson, Thanks for letting us locals know that Napolitano didn't present the right wing report. Bush, that son of a gun, he is the culprit again. If the report was meant to issue information on Radicalization and Extremism and there was no mention of the Muslim extremists that were actually under surveillance in NY and the one who just murdered the Army Recruiter who also was being watched did they miss something? These reports are meant to trigger a heightened awareness among law enforcement, would it not be wrong to ignore the known threats?

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Jonathan Casson 5 years, 4 months ago

I didnt say Bush was the "culprit". I'm just pointing out that the allegations that this report was a partisan attack sponsored and pushed through by Napolitano and the Obama administration is a bit of a stretch due to the fact that it was initiated and produced under the authority of a Bush appointee.

Who said anything about ignoring known threats? The report was meant to issue information about a single topic- "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment" as the title states. Look it up- there also dozens (maybe hundreds) of threat assessments on Muslim extremists as well as any other group who is seeking to do harm to the USA.

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Matthew Stoddard 5 years, 4 months ago

First, I will say that I agree that Napolitano needs to go away. She's embarrassed herself with a few idiotic comments in the last few months, especially. Boy! That sounds like....

Second- Seeuski, I don't think you should be correcting anyone's spelling around here. Remember- a "waist" is a terrible thing to mind, when speaking of just one of your recent typos.

Third, Obama's quote was this: "Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country -- I know, because I am one of them."

For people who hear that one way, they think he's saying he's a Muslim. For me (thanks to the early private schooling teaching me how to read a sentence properly, whether I choose to always read or write that way, myself), I hear it as him saying he is an American who has Muslims in his family and has lived in a Muslim-majority country.

His true father was Muslim who divorced his mother when he was 2. She remarried an Indonesian (Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesi... ) and first spent about 3 years in a Catholic school, then 2 years in a predominantly Muslim school. He has said that he was neither raised as a Muslim or a Christian, but found Christianity later in his adult life. You can read that hear on Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/03/obamas-embrace-muslim-history-return/

Maybe Seeuski needs to go back to the roots of private schooling in order to read better...or get a new prescription for glasses. Just remember to ask for the bifocals that allow you to start seeing things half-fool...ummm...full.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Saul Alinsky or Mattew Stoddard whats the difference? When one hasn't the truth or facts to win then win at all costs and personally attack the opponent. Uh, I never go off on the imperfections in peoples writing styles although I must admit that it seems like some people are less than fully awake when posting here. So please, oh great one Stoddard, please point out my mistakes or misspellings and continue trying to discourage my opinion in the defense of America. It won't work Stoddard. Thanks for the links, they only reinforce the skillful tactics that Obama's campaign engaged in to get in the White House. God forbid anyone that would have suggested before the election what Obama is now saying himself. The left wing media went off in defense of their boy.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Stoddard, There are only about 5 goofs in that post. Good job. And who ever said you were a Republican except you? Calm down, at your age you should watch that blood pressure. Uh again, show me where I outed LTFO, if you are referring to the way he chose to spell Irak, any fool could see it was in line with how the crazies purposefully misspell Amerika. So good morning.

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Matthew Stoddard 5 years, 4 months ago

Seeuski- this is why people will alway think you just fun to dog. I'd say you're like that other yutz who ran away and hid from reality but at least he was literate. When the mood rises, yes- I'll continue to not only point out your disregard of your schooling, but I'll also continue to expose your lies and misinformation. It's people like you that continue to alienate people from the Republican party because or your myopic look on politics. Your kind has hijacked our party to the point of extremism and there are people who don't want the party to go away due to the likes of you.

You continually embarrass yourself by posting links you don't read, obviously. It's especially embarrassing when they end up being dead links. I guess that's poetic justice since your way of thinking should die out and let the 21st Century take over as it should. You aren't defending the USA...you're trying to flush it down the drain just so you can feel better about only yourself.

And don't get uppity with "truth" or "facts" when you can't present any. All you did was present an opinion, then found a some far right link that had a headline that looked like what you thought, as you normally do. You didn't bother to look up any opposition in order to see if your mindset could be countered. That's why you'll continue to outted for your absurd lies and yes- I'll continue to make fun of you in the process. I just want to reiterate that, in case you forgot to read it in the first paragraph of this post.

And don't get uppity with me about your misspellings when you did the exact same thing to LTFO. You have no moral high ground point out other people's foibles.

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trump_suit 5 years, 4 months ago

Can we not have this debate without attacking each other on a personal level? It is issues and discussions like this that harden points of view and lead to the current polarization of our country. When taken to the extreme, these kinds of attacks lead to things like the murder of Dr. Tiller.

Just becuase you have serious disagreements about the topic of the day does not mean that your opposite is a worthless individual without the right to an opinion. It is all of those opinions taken together that create public policy. Let your voice be heard, but keep it to the topic at hand. Personal attacks on these forums diminish us all and that is my opinion.

For the record, people that are still trying to paint Pres. Obama as a Muslim need to do a little more actual research, and a little less in the fiction department. The actual facts are out there if you actually pay attention to them,

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Duke_bets 5 years, 4 months ago

seeuski - Stoddard even mentions your lack of understanding for the English language. Hilarious!

W did nothing wrong and O has done nothing right according to every post you write. You just can't stand Obama because he is well versed in grammar and can write a proper sentence.

Find a cave because the "sky is falling". It's my hope the cave won't have internet access.

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dave fisher 5 years, 4 months ago

Tscan- let's stay on topic, okay? I didn't make any assumptions, i merely stated the fact that some of what is in the report that Bob & Tony and many others are so worked up about is something that has happened in the past. No one should be comfortable with what is being put forward in that report, but that is no reason to shoot the messenger, so to speak (me or Janet Napolitano). You introduced irrelevant information to the discussion by playing the race card- and went on to answer your own question. You attempted to distort my position by insinuating that i paint all veterans with the same brush... i most certainly don't, but nice try anyway. I never assumed/purported that McVeigh's military career was the cause of his actions, but i will say that what he experienced in the military and in combat most certainly contributed to the instability already present in a sick individual. Dr. Hiller? What? Again, you are off topic, let's try to stay focused here. I don't believe that what is in that report is so far-fetched at all. There is an historical precedent with McVeigh. Many veterans have great difficulty re-integrating into "normal" society when they return from combat. The gun lovers are whipped into a frenzy to the point of stimulating a slumped economy almost on their own. The anti-government anarchists are all pumped up, too. The anti-taxation tea people (whatever they call themselves, i'm not sure) have suddenly and conveniently crawled out of the woodwork. The racists, both blatant and latent have found new vigor as it seems that they find profound psychological discomfort in a democratically elected black president who exemplifies civilized, dignified behavior. The religious fanatics are in for a piece of the action, too. These groups, among others, are all deliberately being riled to the boiling point by the right-wing talk show pundits and politicians. All of these elements, present in one sick individual are now multiplied many thousands of times in people who, for whatever reason, believe themselves to be disenfranchised from the process. The "argument" has a lot to do with all of these other things as well, not just veterans who are unstable. If you really read what i said in my first post, it is about reaching out to and caring for those who have served our country and not denying or forgetting what has happened in the past. Please don't try to make it into something else.

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Scott Wedel 5 years, 4 months ago

And that is the mental process of a Town of Oak Creek Town Trustee. Makes my skin crawl.

Having read the report, the contents are no big deal. Basically said that violent right wing extremists (already existing) will try to use economic downturn including foreclosures and unemployment, election of first black president, both houses of Congress being strongly Democratic, possibilities of gun control and so on, to try to recruit new members including veterans whom have military expertise.

The report did not say that the right wing or talk radio or veterans were dangerous. Though, the horrendously worded title implied that.

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exduffer 5 years, 4 months ago

I heard that a group of out of school, radical right wing, first graders plan on peeing in the OTHS. In another report radical left wing third graders plan on picking their noses and flinging it against the wall.

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Duke_bets 5 years, 4 months ago

Scott - Did you even read the post by Dave Fisher? Or, did you blast off because Dave was the writer? His last post was the best and most legit on the entire thread.

And, you basically regurgitated everything Dave wrote. He was just more elaborate.

And, you of all people should never state that someone 'makes your skin crawl'.

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Tim Scannell 5 years, 4 months ago

Dave:

"I didn't make any assumptions, i merely stated the fact.."

"..but i will say that what he experienced in the military and in combat most certainly contributed to the instability already present in a sick individual." What facts do you have to support this opinin? Seriously.

"All of these elements, present in one sick individual are now multiplied many thousands of times in people who, for whatever reason, believe themselves to be disenfranchised from the process." Can you support this opinion with a fact? Please provide..

You have irrational feelings and opinions - and call tham facts. It's an embarrasing arguement Dave. Turn off the TV and talk radio and read a book. You're words are racist.

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ssnative38 5 years, 4 months ago

I WONDER WHY ANN COULTER'S COLUMN WASN'T PRINTED THIS WEEK? FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MISSED IT HERE IS WHAT IT SAID... IT SEEMS RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION. Ann Coulter 49 Million to Five by Ann Coulter 06/03/2009

In the wake of the shooting of late-term abortionist George Tiller, President Barack Obama sent out a welcome message that this nation would not tolerate attacks on pro-lifers or any other Americans because of their religion or beliefs.

Ha ha! Just kidding. That was the lead sentence -- with minor edits -- of a New York Times editorial warning about theoretical hate crimes against Muslims published eight months after 9/11. Can pro-lifers get a hate crimes bill passed and oceans of ink devoted to assuring Americans that "most pro-lifers are peaceful"?

For years, we've had to hear about the grave threat that Americans might overreact to a terrorist attack committed by 19 Muslims shouting "Allahu akbar" as they flew commercial jets into American skyscrapers. That would be the equivalent of 19 pro-lifers shouting "Abortion kills a beating heart!" as they gunned down thousands of innocent citizens in Wichita, Kan. TO READ THE REST GO TO http://tr.im/nBgk

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