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Wednesday, July 22, 2009
Steamboat Springs Now that the City Council acknowledges that the intersection of Third Street and Lincoln Avenue is one of the busiest in town, isn't it time for a left-turn signal there?
Smart people make their left turn at 4th.
Since when are tourists heading up to Fish Creek Falls smart enough to figure that out Scott.
Forget what tourists need. How about the locals? When are you going to consider them first exduffer? Secondly that is by far not the worst intersection in town. How about Oak and 4th where cars park all the way up to the intersection and it is impossible to cross Oak traveling up 4th because one can't see the cars coming? And that intersection aside it would be beneficial for the town to put turn signals everywhere, but honestly that costs money and it would make anyone's travel take a little longer. I sure people will find a way to complain about that.
Cost to add a left turn phase is relatively minor, only a few thousand dollars per phase. To add one at any or all intersections however would require raising the cycle length at all intersections along Lincoln that are coordinated together. Unless it regularly takes more than one cycle over extended periods of the day to make the turn it is more efficient for the system as a whole to leave it as an unprotected left turn.
Does anyone ever think that the whole fiasco is planned to last us into the next century. I am working with a group to find an alternate route to relieve thru traffic, we hope to make progress but we have many special interests and agendas to go thru. The suggestions here are mostly band aids. CDOT will start after Labor day and go thru next fall on a complete rebuild so you ain't seen nothin yet.
Overcoming the NIMBY's and BANANA's can certainly be a challenge to getting any improvements done. With what little time I'm able to spend in SBS and without having seen any of the origin and destination traffic volumes I would find it hard to believe there will be enough through traffic pulled off by building an alternate route to make much of a difference in traffic downtown. My guess is the benefit/cost ratio would be extremely low but without any data, an educated guess is all it is.
Stating the obvious, why isn't there a back way for all residents, but particularly those in the Strawberry Park, Spring Creek and Fish Creek Falls areas to get to the mountain and Central Park Dr. without going down Lincoln Ave. or the laborious Steamboat Blvd. This would greatly reduce traffic downtown. Any sensible person looking at traffic patterns in our city would recognize the need for an alternative north-south route.
Not quite accurate with your time line. CDOT will commence work on 13th Street and 3rd to 4th Street this fall. They will resume work in the spring with a complete shutdown of Lincoln Ave. from 7pm-7am with anticipated completion prior to July 1. This is known as Option two and succeeded in reducing the construction timetable. The road will be resurfaced, half at a time instead of in 3 block increments.
The June completion date carries an $80,000 bonus but I don't see anyone making that schedule. It will almost certainly go on until Thanksgiving with a break for July and August.
City Council acknowledges this corner as the worst in town, so by all means, consolidate the two post offices into one and make everyone who has to have a po box go to this congested and already impossible to navigate corner! What's a few hundred more cars? That makes complete sense!
I want to let you know that as part of the CDOT construction project to start this fall, the current plans include a left turn signal for the eastbound approach to the intersection (turning onto 3rd St) and an official right turn lane for the westbound approach (again onto 3rd St). Thanks for your concern and insight.
While an alternate north south route that avoids Lincoln Ave. to reach the mountain from the areas you mentioned might be desirable, one only needs to look at the terrain and the existing homes on the east side of Lincoln to realize it is impractical to even consider a new road through that area. The cost to construct and the impact on the community would make this a nonstarter.
There is already a route, two of them to some extent. From the upper end of Fish Creek Falls Road, it is usually quicker to go Steamboat Blvd. through the sanctuary than to go to Lincoln and then 40. From Spring Creek/Strawberry Park, you can go the same way, the distance is much greater and the speeds slower, but there is very little traffic. The other option for people out of SC/SP is to go up fish creek to Tamarack then down Hilltop to 40, still quite a long, out of the way loop. But it does avoid Lincoln.
If that is so laborious then TS. I don't see anywhere to put a road other than those two already established locations.
As Trafficman says, terrain is a huge problem. We live a valley. The HWY40 route is where it is, because it makes the most sence for where most people need to travel. This great bypass is a great disastar in the making. Where is it going to go. Under Emerald Mtn? The very narrow parts of the valley at 3rd and lincoln, and at 13th and lincoln are where the problems are.
Great solutions to this I don't know, maybe widen the valley, seems cost effective.
One possible solution to create an alternate route might be to build a bridge across the Yampa from Yampa Street by Double Z (12th St?)over to the Depot. The existing bridge by the library could be removed and that small portion of 13th St in front of the library could be vacated to connect the library and fart park parcels. Additional parking could be installed there and the resulting parcel would be a very nice entry way to the city. This would also allow for someone on the south of town or mountain to come down River Rd to Yampa St cross the river to 13th St and back across the river at James Brown Bridge. Thereby completing avoiding driving on Lincoln avenue at all. This would also provide a secondary route to get past the bottleneck at Lincoln and 13th(currently the only way to get through town). If that intersection was ever closed due to an accident there is no other way around. While this may be expensive, it likely would be less expensive than a tunnel under Howelsen that would net the same general result. I'm glad to see people are thinking about solving this challenge and look forward to seeing how it gets resolved.
Has City Council looked at connecting Anglers Drive to Fish Creek Falls Road? It looks like only 1/4 mile of new paving would be necessary to provide an alternate, N-S route, and reduce traffic on Lincoln.
In order to turn left at 3rd street you are going to do it on a red light. Why can't we get a green arrow?
Having a dedicated left turn signal onto 3rd from Lincoln would mean less time for westbound traffic on Lincoln to proceed. That would really jam up westbound traffic which is already an issue
It would make more sense to encourage more people to make their left turn at 4th, It would be even easier to make a left at 4th if the cars turning right (westbound) at 3rd and Lincoln could be encouraged to make their right turns at 4th or 5th. Maybe remove the dedicated right turn lane at 3rd so a right turn at 3rd means waiting for the green light.
As for the Post Office, if people used cluster boxes instead of going to the PO then there would be much less traffic there. Maybe the PO should consolidate without adding any PO boxes, add cluster boxes around town and just start assigning people one of the various unused cluster boxes around Town.
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