Police: Party revealed drug operation

Youths were drinking at house where marijuana grew, authorities said

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An underage drinking party in an Old Town home Saturday night led police to a suspected marijuana-growing operation, law enforcement officials said Monday.

Garrett Wiggins, task force commander for the All Crimes Enforcement Team, said he got a call from Steamboat Springs police about 11:30 p.m. Saturday. Officers had contacted people who directed them to a party in the 300 block of Ninth Street, police Detective Jerry Stabile said. At the house, officers found marijuana plants and youths drinking alcohol, Wiggins said.

He and Stabile worked on the case, requesting a search warrant and acting on it about 3 a.m. Sunday. ACET found about 13 pounds of marijuana, at least 48 marijuana plants and psilocybin, or hallucinogenic, mushrooms, Wiggins said. However, there was no sign that mushrooms were being grown at the house, Stabile said.

The marijuana operation was extensive, Wiggins said.

"It's about anything you could imagine," he said. "There was already processed marijuana ready to be smoked. There were live plants in every stage."

ACET has two possible adult suspects but hasn't arrested anyone, Wiggins said. He would not identify them. One suspect said she had a medical marijuana license, he said.

Authorities found more marijuana at the house than is legal under medical marijuana rules, Stabile said. Colorado's Amendment 20 allows the use of marijuana for medical purposes.

"We left at the scene what she was legally allowed to have," Wiggins said. "But that has not been proven to be true at this point in time."

According to the state Department of Public Health and Environment's Web site, "a patient or a primary caregiver who has been issued a Medical Marijuana Registry identification card (can) possess no more than 2 ounces of a usable form of marijuana and not more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana."

Even if the suspect or suspects are allowed to have marijuana, the mushrooms are illegal, Wiggins said.

The U.S. Controlled Substances Act classifies psilocybin mushrooms as a Schedule 1 substance. That means they have a high potential for abuse and serve no medical purpose in the United States, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's Web site.

Charges are pending, police and ACET officials said.

"If everything comes together in the next month like I expect it to, there should be a lot of arrests coming down the pike," Wiggins said.

Steamboat Springs police also cited about 15 juveniles at the house for possessing alcohol, Stabile said. The relationship between the juveniles and the suspects is being investigated, he said.

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Duke_bets 5 years, 2 months ago

You still don't get seem to understand the definition of cure. Sheesh is right.

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aichempty 5 years, 2 months ago

How can anybody say that marijuana is not a harmful substance when you find a situation like this?

Nobody was using it "responsibly."

It's pretty obvious that trafficking was going on.

In what universe is it okay to let a bunch of juveniles gather for the purpose of getting high?

This is disgusting, and our lax justice system is responsible for letting it go on. Good job, ACET. Keep it up.

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Duke_bets 5 years, 2 months ago

'Proven to cure cancer'...........Wow, haven't heard of that breakthrough. Lay off the smoke and look up the definition for cure.

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mtroach 5 years, 2 months ago

"In what universe is it okay to let a bunch of juveniles gather for the purpose of getting high?"

Perfect reasoning to get the drug trade out of the hands of lawless criminals, and put it into the hands of someone that can be monitored and controlled. AKA legalization.

Why can't you get around the idea that as long as the drug trade is a mega-profitable illegal activity, criminals that have no concern for their customers age or well being will be operating these types of "speakeasy" operations?

I agree that it is not OK for juveniles to be drinking and using drugs, but how do you keep it from happening when it's obivious that the current anti-drug laws are not keeping drugs off our streets or discouraging their use?

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seeuski 5 years, 2 months ago

Maybe we should legalize murder since it is so rampant and put it in the hands of those who can do it best. Drug abuse is an addictive disease and unless you have seen the deaths of your best friends because of it you may not accept that it has no useful purpose. Why dull the senses anyway? Party on dudes.

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

I speak from the standpoint of a medical marijuana patient, because I am one..... And this person is a complete fool and should have their medical card revoked. This system is not perfect, but for people like myself, medical marijauna has changed our lives. It is a proven medicine, proven to work much better than most medicines for certain people. I am NOT for legalization of drugs and I DO NOT think marijuana is for everyone. But if you think it is just a stupid weed...think again. Look into the breakthrough, cutting-edge research on the Endo-Cannabinoid nervous system in the human body. We all have it and we all benefit from Cannabinoids. The marijuana plant itself is full of Omega-3 fatty acids, more than most any plant on the planet. It does not dull your senses...if you knew, it actually hieghtens them.

Now, am I defending this person and their right to have an MMJ card, like myself? NOPE!! This is complete stupidity and irresponsibility. And exposing young children to medical marijuana in this fashion is disgusting to me and it creates a bad situation for those of us legal, medical patients who do our best to abide by the law as its written. I hope they revoke her MMJ card and press her with her crimes. I don't break the Colorado state laws, and soon we will see the Federal guidlines change...Obama said he would. Our president sees no need in wasting Federal dollars to fight with states on conflicting laws.

Marijuana has been proven now to CURE CANCER in many instances. Google it you'll see.

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seeuski 5 years, 2 months ago

"It does not dull your senses:if you knew, it actually hieghtens them."

I am no pot virgin and if it doesn't cause goofiness then I guess mine was spiked. I am well aware of the affects of drugs from past experience and have witnessed the aftermath so please, no wool.

I do hope you feel better and I am not in the know about legal medical uses and take your word for it in that respect but just not for legalizing drug abuse.

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Duke_bets says: " 'Proven to cure cancer':::..Wow, haven't heard of that breakthrough. Lay off the smoke and look up the definition for cure."

It has cured cancer in numerous instance. It is a medical fact that THC has the tendency to inhibit the growth and even SHRINK cancerous tumors in Giloma Brain Cancer patients and Breast Cancer patients. It's a proven fact. In Cananda they have proven this research with breast cancer patients. You would think, if you had any sense, Mr. Duke_bets, that I would know the simple definition of the word "cure," if I know of the Endo-Cannabinoid nervous system. It is people just like you, that are too dense to go and check the research before you snap off with some comment like you just did above. Why don't you go WISELY gamble your money away on Duke bets.... and watch them loose. LOOK INTO THE RESEARCH BEFORE YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK STUPID. I can guarantee that my intellect is leagues beyond many of the people walking on this planet, marijuana and all. Go check out the research before you start making your comments.

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bubba 5 years, 2 months ago

I thought endo-cannabinoid was some type of marijuana induced bicycle wreck?

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Duke_bets 5 years, 2 months ago

Nchron - Tendencies, shrinking and Canada.........You proved my point. I can't find research that says smoking dope will cure cancer. Hell, maybe instead of donating $$'s to the Jimmy V foundation for cancer research, we should all just mail in bags of weed. Problem solved.

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sickofitall 5 years, 2 months ago

Instead of slamming somebody who actually knows something about the drug, maybe do your own research. Must be nice to sit back and slam a well written response. Why dont you guys write something worth while? BTW Duke bets, maybe get a real search engine , I found links that support THC helping cancer and one that says it breeds a worse form of testicular cancer. But what do I know, I have no hidden agenda..

Heres a link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm

another:

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january112008/cancer_treatment_11008.php

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aichempty 5 years, 2 months ago

Roach,

Legalizing marijuana and preventing minors from having it will not do anything to reduce this kind of abuse. They'll just grow it or get it from somebody else, as was going on at this house.

Again, I say stop prosecuting people. Just confiscate the money and the contraband. Watch the same people and when they do it again, confiscate again. Eventually they'll figure out they're being watched, and stop trafficking.

Oh, and how about this? Pay a bounty for everybody turned in. Since nobody goes to jail, there's no real harm. A victimless crime certainly cannot result in harm to the perpetrators, can it? They only thing they would lose is the money involved in the illegal trafficking and the contraband itself, so nobody is out anything on their balance sheet, and somebody gets a reward for being a good citizen.

There are just as many people cured by the laying on of hands in Christian healings as there are cured by smoking marijuana. In both cases, it's faith that does the curing. The brain heals the body because it believes the body has been healed. Anybody should be able to figure this one out. It's called the placebo effect, and it's real, and it works.

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Seeuski says: "I do hope you feel better and I am not in the know about legal medical uses and take your word for it in that respect but just not for legalizing drug abuse."

Thank you Seeuski for your openmindeness and your compassion. It shows me that you have insight and empathy.

And Thank you to sickofitall, your links help prove my point and help me prove that Mr. Duke_bets didn't even try to look up any research before commenting. There are piles of research just like the two link you posted.

As for the Faith-based approach that aichempty speaks of....the healing hands theory. This theory not in the science books either. For the same reason that the THC cure is not in the books, because the research is not out there to support it. The reason no research supports the "healing hands" theory is because nobody can take credit for it..... God is the one taking that credit. The reason there is no research being printed in regards to Marijuana being the cure for cancer, is because of the crap that follow Aslinger and the Reefer Madness movement. That movement was based on complete lies and the US Government has followed the effect if it's ridiculous propaganda for decades. They have repressed the research, let no money go to funding it, and turned a blind eye to the foreign studies that have been done. Obama will change this. He has vowed he will. And Mr. Duke_bets, you are an Obama supporter, so ya better do some soul-searching before he legalize medical marijuana nationwide, because it's coming, my friend, it's coming.... He will not be legalizing drugs..... that would be asinine, but he sure is hip to the medical MJ...

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playa46 5 years, 2 months ago

To all-

Marijuana is not a harmful drug, unless abused regularly. Nchronic Pain is proof that marijuana can help in many ways for good. However, I would like to see where you got the whole "curing cancer" thing.

I believe we should legalize it, and tax the dooty out of it. Why is it that we spend so much on stopping marijuana, but the numbers keep going up? That's because many under-age users find other ways to get marijuana. And when we find a way to stop them from getting marijuana THAT way, they will find another. Marijuana is very easy to get, almost like an over-the-counter drug.

http://economics.about.com/od/incometaxestaxcuts/a/marijuana.htm

Also, because Nchronic Pain won't, I will post an article saying that marijuana does make life saving miracles.

http://www.cyberessays.com/Politics/57.htm

One more you should all look at.

http://www.factsaboutmarijuana.info/reasons-to-legalize-marijuana.html

I want to hear what you think.

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Well, playa46 and everyone else, I will say this one last time...

GOOGLE IT. type THC cancer cure

I didn't dream this up all on my own here. sheesh

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trump_suit 5 years, 2 months ago

This thread has gotten off topic from those of you that want to press the issue of legalization. Although I have been a proponent of legalization, this article highlights a completely different problem.

These people were growing illegal Marajuana for the express pupose of selling to minors. They were alsp providing alchohol and a party place for underage drinking. With the amount found, it is clear that this was a commercial operation.

Give me a break, anyone that is peddling to our children should have the book thrown at them. Regardless of your views on the merits of Marajuana you cannot seriously support providing to our children can you??????????

No matter what our Country decides is appropriate for adult behavior, providing legal/illegal substances to children is a serious violation that needs to be prosecuted and punished.

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ashmuhme 5 years, 2 months ago

trump_suit, kids are going to get weed if they want it, its that simple. You can put 500 adults in jail but all your doing is making the taxpayers pay to keep them there while teens find another sorce and cops are busy busting pot insted of real criminals. Kids chew during school all day long. As soon as you turn 18 you have every one hiting you up to buy tobaco for them. Just legalize pot and let people get on with their lives. Drugs are a part of culture if you dont want your kids doing it you better hope you have more infulnce on them then their friends do. It's a hard knock life, get used to it.

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trump_suit 5 years, 2 months ago

I do not believe that even the proponents of legalization would advocate the same for children. Our society will always strive to protect our youth. You are not wrong about your premise but in my opinion, legalizing pot will never include children.

Come on guys. Lets here some thoughts on this...

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

trump_suit, I am not for legalization of drugs. What stands out to me here are two things: (1) Yes, I agree with you that children should not be exposed to drug abuse. Or even the culitivation of medical marijuana. But, this article does not say how young the kids were, and I assume they were probably college age kids, just shy of 21. (2) Nobody but myself seems to care that this person claimed that the ridiculous amounts of marijuana they were growing and possessing was for MEDICAL USE.... HA!!! Come on Wiggins, do you really believe that. YES... this was a commercial operation. YES.... these Under 21ers were probably smoking, selling and growing the plants for recreational use and insane profits. FOR CERTAIN. There is a huge difference between medical use, possession and culitvation.

Duke_bets, I'm done with you. You have nothing to respond? Neither do it. OK, it's pretty obvious that THC is not the proclaimed "cure" for cancer right now. I am not on some other planet, brother. But, it you would pull the cotton out of you ears and start reading online, you will see that THC is being researched right now like never before, because of it's ability to treat and cure cancer. It is rising up to be the single most effective medicine for cancer patients. If you would simply click on some the links above, you will find all research is supporting what I am saying. Your reply of, "look up the definition of the word cure," make no sense.

And no.... legalization will NEVER include children.

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nikobesti 5 years, 2 months ago

Why can't pot be legal the same way tobacco and alcohol are: with an AGE LIMIT. This is not a foreign concept so why all the ridiculous scare tactics from people? Kids do a ton of pot right now, folks; the war on marijuana has been proven over and over to be ineffective. Making it illegal is what adds the violent criminal element. Let folks grow their own and there's no smuggling it over the border, no gangs dealing it, and our government could actually make some money off the sale of cannabis.

Let's talk about how ludicrous it is that hemp is illegal. The male plant holds no THC and offers many industrial uses, many of which have fewer negative impacts than current products (crude oil, tree paper, etc). Huge companies from Exxon Mobil to Anheuser Bush lobby against legalization to protect their profits. On top of that, much of the law enforcement community supports the war on drugs to keep them in jobs. Federal law enforcement agencies, police, lawyers and judges protect their jobs by resisting the legalization of marijuana. Despite a groundswell of support for decriminalization from citizens all over America, unfortunately, I don't see this travesty being addressed by the federal government anytime soon.

NchronicPain, thanks for your story but it's truly unfortunate that you are arguing that marijuana should stay illegal except for few who get medical marijuana licenses. If you use it responsibly, why can't other adults? Why should you get this privilege and not others?

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crazy8s 5 years, 2 months ago

Ok first of all how niave can you people be. If there were the proclaimed "48 plants" and over a lb in a house in the heart of downtown someone would be smelling that long ago. Second trafficing? C'mon the police are just trying to make it sound important! These numbers are obviously pulled outta the air. And as far as exposing kids to drugs, my god thier in steamboat high school theres nothing they havent already been exposed to. for all those pot haters out there guess what if phelps can win 8 golds and smoke weed it cant be that bad for you.

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aichempty 5 years, 2 months ago

I don't mind the idea of having people who are so traumatized by psychological events or physical ailments that they cannot contribute to society being stoned out of their minds on drugs. That's what some people would say is merciful.

Our problem is that the high school kids with their lives and careers ahead of them are going around stoned out of their minds instead of learning, growing and being productive.

By the way, I'd have picked Phelps for a pot head just from hearing him talk. Yeah, it really is that obvious. He just confirmed what a lot of us already know. It makes you STOOPID.

Here's the bottom line, kiddies.

When you look back at your life thirty years from now and wonder what you could have done to make things different, or to be more successful, or to be happier and in a loving family --

You could have stopped smoking pot and taking drugs.

When getting high becomes your full-time hobby, you've just turned yourself into a loser who will be incapable of competing with other kids who have stayed straight. A kid with average grades and no substance issues will be President some day, and you'll be a clerk in a convenience store, wondering why you can never afford to do anything. Why? Because an average kid who doesn't waste all his time high or looking for drugs will stumble on something profitable to do instead. Drugs just make boredom bearable by filling the dead time with a funny feeling in your otherwise empty head.

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

OK aichempty, I had a little respect for you, now I lost it all. I hold a great job, graduated college, and am happily married. I have used marijuana daily for over 15 years and I can guarantee that you could never tell by the way I talk....that is a lame statement about a Gold metal winner.... what about people with speech impediments? You are a superficial, shallow individual that needs to sort out your opinions before you start generalizing. You and your stupid comments only prove that you are speaking, merely off emotion and not off fact. Come on. I take extreme offense in your judgemental standpoint. Marijuana is a very safe medicine. Safer, I can guarantee, than all the genetically modified food, the preservatives, the chemicals in our tap water and the pollution in our air. Go ahead and keep thinking the way you do, and I'll keep medicating with God's medicine and we'll see who lives happier and healthier. If marijuana makes you so stupid, it definitely seems like you endulged a few too many yourself then, but I would attribute that to your lack of personality and couthe.

And crazy8s.... there were exactly that many plants and exactly that many pounds of marijuana over there. It is very easy to control the smell. Look into the giant, carbon-filter air cleaners. You wouldn't know if a garden holding 1000 plants was right next door, trust me.

Garrett Wiggins has already been burned trying to raid in on a medical marijuana patient, so he is gona watch his Ps and Qs..... but I'm very surprised he left plants and marijuana at this house, with the obvious violation of legal limits.

and by the way aichempty.... when you say "When you look back at your life thirty years from now and wonder what you could have done to make things different, or to be more successful, or to be happier and in a loving family -"

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playa46 5 years, 2 months ago

Wow Aich, same close-minded guy, huh?

Marijuana is not harmful at all, hardly anyone looks back and says, gee, wish I didn't do that, look how terrible my life is! They probably say, that was something, huh?

Try doing some research, marijuana does basically the exact opposite of what you think, look at my post above.

From what I hear, marijuana is not painful. it makes every problem you have go away. There is no pain, no headache. Life is good, and everything is very funny, kinda like laughing gas.

Oh ya, I just used your own self-based logic against you, what now?

As for Phelps, he only is champion of the world eight times, pot is definitely ruining his life!

Where are your statistics??

NOTE* I am only for legalizing marijuana, not ALL drugs.

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justice4all 5 years, 2 months ago

First it was alcohol, now it is marijuana that some say we should legalize. Next it will be cocaine and then speed and then meth. Would you feel the same if you found your children using these drugs of if they were injured or killed by someone impaired by these substances. I think not. Or at least, I hope not. Remember, children learn by observation and repetition. It is "OK" if mom and dad do it because they should be the idols. Again, I think not.

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JLM 5 years, 2 months ago

Hell, I'd be in favor of legalizing pot if I didn't have to worry about supporting all those chronic losers.

The problem is that the straight folks are gonna have to support, provide health care for and live around the freakin' pot head losers.

When you can't stand yourself so badly that you have to "escape" yourself maybe you should try doing something to build up your esteem rather than just surrendering to your own lack of self worth. Take western swing dance lessons and try to get laaaaid. LOL

Then again maybe all you pothead losers are just Olympic athletes waiting to blossom? LOL Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Man, I knew people were ignorant, but it's like talking to a bunch door knobs in here...

Western Swing Dance classes will teach me what about life??? Beer drinking and beating my wife? And I can guarantee, JLM, that I've been laid WAY more than you have, and by much prettier women. So, hop and your horse and ride off into the sunset big buddy, the world has changed. And what makes you think you will have to supply health care any more than we already do, for illegal aliens, chronic cigarette smokers, and alcoholics. Look at where most of the money our taxes fund for the so-called CICP program..... you fund the healthcare for every bum on the streets in Denver.... what is your complaint now?? paying for health care?? Medical Marijuana saves the tax payer money!! Your points make no sense. Looks like your in the same crowd as some of these other folks.... senseless.

and.... justice4all, nobody, not even the pro-legalization folks have said anything about legalizing cocaine or meth.... Where do you get that from??

Marijuana is COMPLETELY different than any other drug. I use it daily, and I work a full-time job, with benefits, and a 401k, I drive safely, eat healthy, don't drink or do any other drugs..... So where am I going wrong?

And one more thing, justice, Go crack another budweiser, strap on your stirrups, saddle up the horse, put on your wife beater, and crank up the Waylon Jennings buddy, because I hear your funeral prossesion coming round the corner. Your old western ways are fading with your jeans, my friend. Us whippersnappers are changing things and it's makin your Stetson stink..... We are better off with you people staying on your ranches with your judgemental views and your guns.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY???

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mtroach 5 years, 2 months ago

"The problem is that the straight folks are gonna have to support, provide health care for and live around the freakin' pot head losers."

That is happening already. Pull your head out of the sand.

from my first post: "I agree that it is not OK for juveniles to be drinking and using drugs, but how do you keep it from happening when it's obivious that the current anti-drug laws are not keeping drugs off our streets or discouraging their use?"

My thoughts, legalize and control. Remove the criminal element, TEACH RESPONSIBLE DRUG USE(alcohol,tobacco,marijuana) , not the abuse of any substance.

"By the way, I'd have picked Phelps for a pot head just from hearing him talk. Yeah, it really is that obvious. He just confirmed what a lot of us already know. It makes you stoopid."

I call Bull Sh#t on that statement. I would imagine that Phelpe could not have passes pre-competition drug tests with cannibus in his system, there is no way that you could "have picked Phelps for a pot head. " Give me a break.

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Duke_bets 5 years, 2 months ago

Nchron - First you admit that weed doesn't cure and then the next sentence you state that it does cure. Once again, you are confused and don't understand the definition of cure. That is my point. Weed does not cure any medical diseases. Pull the cotton out of your ears. It may minimize the effects of the symptoms, but it does not cure. Period.

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AlienTrucker 5 years, 2 months ago

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=ao_Yr_Is1T6E&refer=latin_america

Seems the folks who are against weed smoking because the cost of paying for treatment and other things haven't looked at the cost of alcohol abuse much. Lots less medical and psychological problems from weed use. Proven and you can look it up if you don't believe an old stoner like me. Follow the link above and see how other countries who have been affected by the US War On Drugs feel about it.

Just to clarify LTFO's post above AlienTrucker is not a Viet Nam vet. However, the poster who thought I am should not be chastised. I truly respect LTFO and just wanted to clear that misunderstanding up with him and the rest of y'all. (I do try to fight for veterans rights and call for action when they are mistreated {like they are on a daily basis})

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Duke_bets, the definition of cure is common freakin knowledge!!, please give me more credit than that. My point is this, the use of THC has cured cancer in a many instances, it just has not been documented, because the Dr.'s just call it "a miracle." Only because they choose not to give the credit where credit is due. THC has gone far beyond the simple treatment of symptoms. It is being studied now as an EXTREMELY effective treatment of the disease itself. IT IS CURING CANCER. period. I don't care if you don't think so... I hope that you are around long enough, and pull the cotton out your own ears, to see for yourself. Because it's coming. Mark my words. The only reason you are not aware, is because the research results have been repressed for this long. That is changing.

I have a friend. He never smoked marijuana in his life. He is in his 50s. He was diagnosed with terminal bladder cancer. Given 6 months to live.... He started on THC oils, tincture. (one ingests tincture, they do not smoke it at all) Well, just last week, the CANCER IS GONE!!!.... 100% cured. not remission, not almost gone.... GONE!!! CURED.... chew on that dukey

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nikobesti 5 years, 2 months ago

aichempty and JLM: Give me a break with the "stoners are stupid losers" stereotypes. This assertion is completely unfounded. Those stupid stoners would be stupid whether they used or not. I think many folks would be quite surprised who uses marijuana. Lots of very sharp folks. You can lose some drive, but this urge to sit around and do nothing can easily be overcome, and it overcome every day by millions of Americans who work hard, study hard, and are extremely productive. I personally know doctors, lawyers, PhD physicists and Fulbright scholars who are users. Call Bill Gates a stupid loser. LOL!

Then there's people like justice4all who simply don't have a clue. Their understanding goes as follows: "If a drug is illegal, kids won't do it." This kind of ignorance is easily refuted by just reading the article above. Weed is illegal now. Many kids are doing it. Derrrrrrrrrr:.

NchronicPain, great reply to aichempty about using for 15 years and still being a productive, intellegent member of society. So why do you still insist it stay illegal except for medical use?

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aichempty 5 years, 2 months ago

Chronic and Playa,

Didn't I say that I wouldn't mind if people who required medication for relief from pain were allowed to use marijuana if that was the only thing that could help them?

Hey, I busted my ankle last year. I was laid up in bed for two weeks taking vicodin and darvoset. It was impossible to sleep more than two hours without the vicodin, which would get me through the night. It also made me sleep all day, which was why I used the less powerful darvoset during the day. I went back to work two weeks later, using only ibuprofen during the day, and darvoset or vicodin at night. I'm still having trouble walking eight months later, and it's only been the last few weeks that I didn't get a knife-cutting pain in my ankle every time I put weight on it. So yeah, I understand the pain part.

That's not my complaint.

My complaint is that kids using pot to drown out the voices in their heads and feel happy instead of working out their problems or studying to get a good education and provide a decent life for themselves is an abuse of pain killing medication.

And I don't care how many medals Phelps won. Are you going to tell me that he couldn't have won more of them, or won them four years ago, if he hadn't abused pot? How do you know? Basically, he's a genetic freak with a strong body and an apparent weak mind. How does a doper winning a swim meet to ANYTHING of value for anyone else?

I am sure that some people can use pot without harm. There are a lot of nights when I sit down to watch TV with my wife and have a cocktail to relax. Oh, but on those nights, I'm not putting off doing something important, like filing the income tax, or paying the bills, or fixing the plumbing, or doing my homework to graduate from college and get a job. I did that a long time ago; in fact, I graduated seven years earlier than my former roomate who started college the same day I did. The difference was that he let other things, including girls, pot, mushrooms and alcohol, divert his attention. He lost at least $100,000 in lifetime earnings (in 30-year ago dollars) as a result. Oh, and know what he learned? That you finally have to do the work to reap the benefits, even when you feel bad or don't want to. And some people never wake up and do the work, and suffer all their life as a result.

If you need to smoke pot to be happy, you are one God-###### pitiful soul. This is not about pot versus pills versus booze. How do you justify spending your existence staying high and contributing to global warming with your breath instead of working, growing, thinking, and maybe doing something to improve the state of mankind?

You don't. You just get high instead.

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nikobesti 5 years, 2 months ago

aichempty and JLM: Give me a break with the "stoners are stupid losers" stereotypes. This assertion is completely unfounded. Those stupid stoners would be stupid whether they used or not. I think many folks would be quite surprised who uses marijuana. Lots of very sharp folks. You can lose some drive, but this urge to sit around and do nothing can easily be overcome, and it overcome every day by millions of Americans who work hard, study hard, and are extremely productive. I personally know doctors, lawyers, PhD physicists and Fulbright scholars who are users. Call Bill Gates a stupid loser. LOL!

Then there's people like justice4all who simply don't have a clue. Their understanding goes as follows: "If a drug is illegal, kids won't do it." This kind of ignorance is easily refuted by just reading the article above. Weed is illegal now. Many kids are doing it. Derrrrrrrrrr:.

NchronicPain, great reply to aichempty about using for 15 years and still being a productive, intelligent member of society. So why do you still insist it stay illegal except for medical use?

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Niko, the reason I don't think it should be legal for recreational use, is because I don't trust people. Irresponsible people will ruin the good thing that it is. It is medicine, not candy!! The marijuana is not the problem in the lazy, worthless people that aichempty speaks of, the people are the problem. People allow themselves to be lazy lumps, they think it goes hand-in-hand with using marijuana. I beg to differ.... just as you do Niko, I know of an emnormous number of extremely successful pot smokers.

aichempty, you are off your rocker, granny! You would've been much happier with a little medical marijuana, rather than your Vicodin & Darvocet when you had your ankle probs.... I can guarantee it. But, I guess it's better for these Dr.'s to feed us life-destroying Opiates than a completely natural herb....that makes sense. The people in this house were under 21, not kids... college age people. I agree, no kids should be using drugs. But, they are. Gotta face it.

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Duke_bets 5 years, 2 months ago

Nchron - You proved my point again. When you get your MD's license and document a cure, let me know. Until then, I'll take the medical world's opinion over yours. Now you are confusing 'coincidence' with 'cure'.

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Duke_bets 5 years, 2 months ago

Nchron - The story about the bladder cancer is great. Here's how much I don't know about the medical world...........Duke bets that your buddy was a heavy cigarette smoker for many years.

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

That's OK Dukey, but soon the medical world's opinion will change your opinion. The 'coincidences' keep happening. That's why research keeps happening. If the Dr.'s, that do have licenses saw no positive results from the research, then the research would stop. The enormous amount of coincidences are exactly what is making them less and less of a coincidence. The are seeing the true merit of using MMJ as far more than just a treatment of symptoms.

Let's just agree to disagree. I think it cures cancer. You don't. AMEN?

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

and by the way..... he was NOT a cigarette smoker. His Dr. believes the THC cured him.... hmmmmmm funny huh?

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Duke_bets 5 years, 2 months ago

Your friend with bladder cancer was NEVER a cigarette smoker in his entire life?

He would be one of the few actually diagnosed with bladder cancer that was not a cigarette smoker. Cig smoking and bladder cancer go hand in hand. Strange but true.

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aichempty 5 years, 2 months ago

Nchrophiliac . . .

Except for the direct attack on me, I agree with you.

Yeah, it is the stupid people who are the problem. I know plenty of folks with lots of success and advanced degrees who are casual alchohol drinkers too, and light consumption of alcohol on a daily basis (1 ounce of alcohol, meaning two one-ounce shots of 100 proof) helps prevent heart disease by making the blood cells slippery, just like aspirin.

The problem with pot is that people don't just use it. They worship it. They risk their lives, livelihoods and freedom to have it. Do you know anyone who would do that if the plant in question was lettuce, or brussels sprouts? It creates a dependence and a demand for itself among people who are susceptible to it's effects.

Nchro, you are in deep denial. You've created a belief system around this hallucinogenic plant because its effects somehow make you crave it. As for using medical marijuana, there are different inhaled medications I take to counteract the effects of allergic reactions to such things as . . . uh smoke. How many asthma sufferers are there using medical marijuana with a doctor's prescription? Not many, I'll bet.

I certainly believe in using medicine to ease pain and cure disease. There's no reason a bunch of high school kids and young, productive adults need to be going around self-medicating just for fun. That's the definition of dumb.

And I'll tell you an advantage that booze has over pot. When you have a cocktail in the evening, and wake up in the morning, you don't have to worry about somebody finding out what you did last night. Being able to live with a clear conscience and no fear of the authorities is a wonderful thing. How many domestic violence episodes do you suppose go unreported because the victim has been using pot? People who get into those kinds of situations have often had experience with the police, and they know that the first thing the cops do is check IDs and run them for outstanding wants and warrants. If you have a history of arrests for pot, or maybe a "did not appear" warrant out for you for failing to come to court, are you going to call the cops?

The most innocent use of pot can lead to involvement with law enforcement, and after that, you'll be thinking about the police record every time you need their help for the rest of your life.

And see, the thing is, pot makes you paranoid about being caught while also not really caring (believing) that it will happen to you. It reduces inhibitions and dulls your reasoning powers, and what's the first thing you want to do when you feel a little bit stressed? "Oh, I'm in pain. Time for some medicinal marijuana." That medical marijuana license is a license to abuse the stuff, and don't tell me, but ask yourself: Have I ever smoked it just to enjoy the high?" If you have, then it's got you too. Couldn't you be doing something more valuable with your time instead?

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

They do.... you are correct. Cig smoking goes hand in hand with most cancers. Make's a whole lotta sense that we can buy them anywhere always.... 18 and up? Go ahead... smoke yourself to death, who cares!

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Ummm.. aichoRAMA. You have forgotten that I am legal. The COPS don't bother me.

you say... "Nchro, you are in deep denial. You've created a belief system around this hallucinogenic plant because its effects somehow make you crave it. As for using medical marijuana, there are different inhaled medications I take to counteract the effects of allergic reactions to such things as : uh smoke. How many asthma sufferers are there using medical marijuana with a doctor's prescription? Not many, I'll bet."

Asthma IS a qualifying condition for medical marijuana!!! come on. read up. It helps asthma like crazy!! And aids in the treatment of lung cancer too!!!

I rarely smoke it. I vaporize it, which has no smoke. But, mostly I take a tincture. Which is liquid.

Marijuana is harmless!!! If used correctly, it has no detrimental effect on the body. It actually has a great antioxidant effect on the body if not smoked.

I am in denial of what? You tell me.

You are so full of contradictions, you don't even make sense anymore. You are for it, and against it..... you hate it, but understand it's medicinal uses. Dude, you are digging yourself your own grave.

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freerider 5 years, 2 months ago

JLM and Duke_bets as far as I can see are the real losers on this post...it amazes me how arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand with these guys..both of you claim pot smokers are losers...I've been smoking pot for over thirty tears ...I'm 50 years old and retired with several million dollars in the bank from day trading...how stupid is that..plus I have a 35 year old girlfriend that looks like a model ....people guess me to be around 40 years old...I've had a great life and have way more fun than both of you guys put together...I ski everyday and can kick your combined butt's on skis...I hang out with world class skiers and surfers that get high daily ...as far as I'm concerned beer and marajuana is proof that God loves me and wants me to be happy...moderation is the key to happiness...peace is best stop the war

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Thank you freerider.... Luckily, I can still snowboard. I tolerate the pain enough to LIVE. Truly live. Just as you speak of, mr. freerider. My wife is beautiful, people look up to me....... loser? HA. Let ole JLM get back on his mechanical bull and see who comes crying to who when is nuts are sore... nope, can't have a toke on my bowl for your sore nuts!

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

oh and by the way, freerider, Good Job on knowing what does the body good~!!! not too much beer though... a couple here and there's OK... LOL

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Duke_bets 5 years, 2 months ago

freeloser - Check every post.......I never mentioned one thing about pot and losers. Check every post on this thread........Point out one incorrect statement.

You possibly have 5 blatant lies in 5 sentences. 'I have millions, I'm the best skier, I smoke dope for 30 years, my girlfriend is a model, I hang out with world class this and that'.........You are the arrogant SOB and also the most full of crap on this thread. You would be much more believable if you stated that you were single, drunk and high all the time. That's most likely the truth. And, you are extremely high if you think you could compete with me on skis.

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Duke_bets, do you know freerider?? Because you sure act like you do. What makes you think he is lying? Is it because he miss quoted you?? Man, you sure fly off the handle. And you come back with nothing, everytime. Come back with something intelligent for a change.... all this, "You're a liar" crap only makes you look like the moron.

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jk 5 years, 2 months ago

My question is: When did the government become so scared of a few plants? As for aichempty's comment on the advantages of booze over weed, you obviously have not tried the latter. When one wakes up in the morning after drinking, they have a hangover and sometimes don't even remember what happened. Alcohol changes people's perceptions and functions far more than marijuana. How dare you comment that domestic abuse has connections with marijuana. Have you ever seen someone that is high? They don't want to hurt people, they want to laugh with them. Alcohol is America's "drug of choice" that alters one's emotions more than almost any other drug. I would love for you to find a violent stoner, they don't exist. -Women whose partners abused alcohol were 3.6 times more likely than other women to be assaulted by their partners -In 2002, more than 70,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 were victims of alcohol-related sexual assault in the U.S -An estimated 480,000 children are mistreated each year by a caretaker with alcohol problems. Weed is illegal because of government propoganda, learn the facts.

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Duke_bets 5 years, 2 months ago

Nchron - Quit getting so high. Does freerider know me is a better question? That would be the chronological order of posts that led to my response.

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hangoutforawhile 5 years, 2 months ago

I guess I'm just upset that some people here are clumping pot in with coke and meth. That to me is like comparing apples to oranges. Pot has never been a gateway drug and never will be.

The kids there had no idea there was a grow operation going on. They were there for a party the child of the people or person growing. The daughter may have known of the grow house so the kid wasn't very smart to throw the party. The kids were never buying from the adults nor would they have been offered that pot. The fact that the kids happened to be there when the cops found the operation is pure chance. No connection at all.

I think you guys on here need to realize that before you judge these people or person. I in no way condone growing that much pot or ever having that much at once, but they were not "Ruining our children" the kids can do that for themselves if they so choose.

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

hangoutforawhile, you say.... "The kids there had no idea there was a grow operation going on. They were there for a party the child of the people or person growing. The daughter may have known of the grow house so the kid wasn't very smart to throw the party. The kids were never buying from the adults nor would they have been offered that pot. The fact that the kids happened to be there when the cops found the operation is pure chance. No connection at all."

I take it you know these people? This changes a little about how I feel about this, but now it raises a new concern... If this lady is a medical marijuana patient, she knows her limits and was exceeding them. At the same time, she was allowing her daughter to have an underage party, with drinking???? Is she mentally stable? Because anyone in their right mind would know better. Maybe, since she is a medical marijuana patient, she thought she had a "get out of jail free card"..... wrong. Not when you have THAT MUCH~! Insane amounts for a medical patient to even possess for any reason,(unless you are a dispensary.) Now, next concern... the mushrooms??? Those were the kids or the medical marijuana gardener's.... come on. Why is that even in the same house as a medical garden? again, veeeeeerrry stupid. Is she gona try to claim those are medical too??? She was condoning the teenagers drinking, growing weed, possessing 100's of times more weed than allowed to her by law, mushrooms too. WOW. She is going to have a real hard time proving that the kids never got their hands on any of that. I don't think marijuana has any effect on the way our youth are coming up... but when parents are stupid, their kids are stupid. There is no way you can stand up for these parents AT ALL.

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trump_suit 5 years, 2 months ago

Quietly monitoring this thread.........

However, as a survivor of bladder cancer, I can assure you that smoking cigarettes did not cause it. I have not smoked more than a dozen cigarettes in my entire life. (I am 48). Tobacco products (all of them) make me turn green and puke. I can personally guarantee that cigarettes did not cause my bladder cancer.

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Well, trump_suit, if you want any facts to come from Dukey, keep waiting... his only response will be, "You're a liar."

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hangoutforawhile 5 years, 2 months ago

The mother was not in town when the party was thrown. She was pretty strict about parties and gatherings.

I said it once and I will say it again...I AM NOT OK WITH WHAT SHE DID.. She is in the wrong and I'm NOT OK with how much she had. Also, the mushrooms are a whole different story. Whatever people want to do is fine as far as hallucinogenics go. I don't really care either way.

I am not trying to stand up for the parents, except where it is due. She was not feeding them booze, nor would she have condoned it had she been in town.

What I AM trying to do is stand up for the kids at the party. Every kid parties. You kids have or will as well as my kids will. It just so happened that these particular kids are and will be crucified because the parents happened to be idiots and did not think of what would happen if they were caught. Again, this is not the kids fault and it's the parents fault, but they are not related incidents.

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trump_suit 5 years, 2 months ago

Remember here, that I do not advocate the use of illegal substances. My views are based on the effectivness of the current laws and their effects on our society as a whole.

I believe that the overall costs to society would be smaller if we legalized all of them and spent our money on treament and education. The current system of crime and punishment has done nothing to limit the amount of drugs on the street. The "War of Drugs" has created such a large black market for these substances that we now struggle with violence, weapons and gangs on the supply side. It is my opinion that these are the larger problem.

If we are winning this war, how is it that all of traffic and usage numbers remain so high??????????????????????

The true problem here is addiction and not the substance involved. I have known people who give away their lives for drugs, alchohol, sex, gambling, pornography, etc..... For those of you so opposed to the use of marajuana, what makes your two martini evening (or even one) any different other than the legal status of the two substances.

For those of you so dead set against this particular bad habit, have you really ever known anyone that smoked pot on a regular basis?

If you would open your eyes and look around, you would find doctors, lawyers, councilmen, senators, congressmen and business men that all indulge in this particular habit. Your arguments of regret and losers speak more to individuals and their problems than they do to the use of marajuana and the problems it can cause. Your arguments would be far more effective when applied to the harder substances like meth, cocaine or heroin. Marajuana is clearly not in that class.

How many of you would run right down to City Market and purchase marajuana if it went on sale today right next the the beer? Would the change in status create that many new users or is the population fairly static right now? (PS this question is really only for those opposed, I understand that several of you would in fact run right down and purchase....... Grinning here)

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Wow, hangout..., well, this changes ALOT in my mind about the parents... 'cept Dad... Where was he? Home? Is he being charged with the weed plants?? He should be. He allowed the chain of illegality to begin with allowing the kids to be drinking at the house, this led to the grow op.... What's up with that? Is he the caregiver of the garden? I hear you hangout, I hear you.... kids party... that's a fact. It sucks for those kids that this happened. What a fluke.

And trump_suit.... you made me grin too. More people would be at City Market buying up the herb faster than they could ring it up... guaranteed~!

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hangoutforawhile 5 years, 2 months ago

Neither of the parents were in town. This is the first party the daughter had there and obviously it did not end well. tons of parties are busted each week and tons more underage kids are given tickets for being a little tipsy. The father is barely ever around(work). The pot growing did not lead to drinking and drinking did not lead to growing. They are TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. Kids being kids led to kids being kids(i.e. drinking and generally partying) Parents being(bad) parents led to growing pot. Two. Separate. Occurrences.

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jk 5 years, 2 months ago

I think it would depend on the quality of there selection. You might see more people at safeway their produce seems to be better lol

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

OK, hangout, you just twisted my words around..... go read again. What I said is this.... If the Dad WAS, home and condoned the party - which I NOW know was not the case - than there was a chain of illegality. (the intial illegal action being, contributing to the delinquency of a minor.... leading to the finding of the grow op). The daughter must feel terrible... she never thought this would've come this, I'm sure. I'm saddened. This, still, makes us medical patients look like a bunch of damn fools. That's my ultimate point here. Foolish enough to have teenagers in our houses that are either not taught how serious the issue is - especially growing in your own home - and/or the kids were kept in the dark to the issue completely. Both irresponsible.

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nikobesti 5 years, 2 months ago

trump_suit: Best post of the tread. By miles.

NchronicPain, I totally understand what you're saying about a few idiots ruining the chance of keeping medical marijuana legal. I understand because they also hurt the chance of legalizing marijuana for everyone. You say you can't trust everyone to use it responsibly. Well, you can't trust everyone with a medical marijuana license to use it responsibly either (see the article above), so I have a hard time buying into that argument. Plus, we can't count on everyone to use alcohol, Rx drugs or ANY drug, legal or illegal, responsibility. Shoot, we can't even count on everyone to use a car or gun responsibly. That's just a fact of life we have to live with.

We need all the support we can get for marijuana law reform. I'm bummed that a medical marijuana user isn't on our side. You should trust us.

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NchronicPain 5 years, 2 months ago

Good points niko... good points. It's just such a good thing... in my opinion people have ruined our chances with alcohol, Rx drugs and guns... these were never that great of things anyways.... to me, marijuana is precious... too precious for the masses. It scares me to think of what all the people will do with it when it IS legal. Because it will be. Don't worry. I don't adovcate against legalization. I just have my opinion. And stands. People ruin all good things. Keep marijuana sacred.

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playa46 5 years, 2 months ago

Things get out of control. People like Aich and JLM are holding on to false hopes, hopes that are being destroyed every day.

Keep making laws, go ahead. Kids will keep on getting. Dealers make huge amounts of money because it is illegal and hard to get, they usually target kids. Every year, we spend so much money on trying to win the war, it only forces kids to get more creative. People live, people die, there is no way to escape it. These kids are in high school, they should be able to make their own choices, if it happens to be ruining their life, it is their own choice.

I, for one, am sick of it all. All the people trying to control every little aspect of every one's lives, so that they can feel safe in America, remember, death is not an option.

I hate to be a bubble buster, but we have basically lost the drug war. People need to wake up, and pull their heads out of their ###es, and realize the perfect little world of where kids don't ruin there lives does not exist.

Why is this still illegal?

I hope you finally come to realization...

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JLM 5 years, 2 months ago

Playa, you must be about 11 years old if you think that young folks should be left to their own devices to ruin their lives by using drugs. Parents have a huge responsibility to raise their kids with values and character and to shepherd them past the temptations and challenges of life.

No parent feels better than when they get their kids raised and started in life having avoided sometimes what they failed to avoid.

Life is not a bowl of cherries and discipline is real. The world is not filled with a bunch of stoned losers. There are kids out there who are really going to make the world a better place and they don't have to hate themselves by getting high and drunk to enjoy themselves.

A freakin' loser is a freakin' loser any way you slice it.

Make friends with somebody who has their head screwed on right cause you will be working for them some day. They will be living in the big house and you (not you literally mind you) will still be a stoned loser doing their bidding.

Well, unless you are a pathetic 50-year old millionaire day trader with a smoking hot girlfriend (who is looking for a tired old stoner herself) and millions in the bank. Uhhh, I wonder if she is after the old stoner's money? LOL Right like I really believe that tale, stoner.

Most important phrase for the stoned losers to learn: "Would you like fries with that, sir?" LOL

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playa46 5 years, 2 months ago

My god JLM, you are so close-minded it is pathetic.

"Make friends with somebody who has their head screwed on right cause you will be working for them some day. They will be living in the big house and you (not you literally mind you) will still be a stoned loser doing their bidding."

First of all, you don't even know me. I could be anybody for god's sake.

"A freakin' loser is a freakin' loser any way you slice it."

You have, no right at all to call someone a looser for what you believe about something. It is a belief and nothing more. You push a group of people, people who you think are inferior, into a corner, and spit at thier faces. That, my friend, is very inhuman.

Now, where is your evidence that marijuana is such a big bad drug. I don't want your faith speech anymore. You see, I have proof that marijuana is not as bad as you say, but no, you refuse to take in that information and call me blunt names, such as "stoner", with no proof that I am at all. You just won't accept logic into your head, can you?

So me your evidence, ok? No more name calling, it just shows how you have nothing at all logical to say.

-Have a nice day...

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oldskoolstmbt 5 years, 2 months ago

niko for president!!!:)and trump-suit for vp! your for the real and i couldn't have said it better!

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4genlocal 5 years, 2 months ago

Here is an idea most can agree on. If you get money from the govt for welfare, Medicaid, food stamps then you should have to undergo random drug and alcohol testing. If you are on med marijuana then you can only be positive for that if there is more in your system too bad you have the money to blow you don't need the tax payers money. They have to pee in a cup to provide the money.

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Eric J. Bowman 5 years, 2 months ago

"does anybody have anything intelligent to say???"

That is a problem on this forum, there are a few here who do nothing in thread after thread, but hurl insults, resort to name calling, and always always always accuse those who disagree with them of being high on something. When I was in the E.R. a while back, the guy in the bed next to me was Don Nord, listening to him chatting about medical marijuana issues with the doctors was very enlightening.

Thank you NchronicPain for joining this forum and contributing, despite the incredibly infantile behavior of certain folks here -- those who base their positions on anything but the facts, facts which they will stubbornly deny when confronted with, and who will never, ever allow facts and rational debate to change their preconceived notions one iota.

http://www.espad.org/espad-reports

That's the funny thing about facts -- they render many of the posts in this thread worthless, due to what can best be described as willful ignorance on the part of their authors. Before I take a public stand (even when using an anonymous handle, which I don't do here, unlike the name-calling coward-crew) on an issue, I like to get my facts straight. People who don't bother with that will blather on and on about how our war on drugs is the only thing keeping all of our kids from "going around stoned out of their minds instead of learning, growing and being productive."

The facts showing that fewer kids in Holland get high on pot, or experiment with other drugs, than in other European countries (and waaaaay fewer than here in America), are simply not relevant to the closed-minded. Empirical evidence shows that decriminalizing (not legalizing) marijuana and alcohol for teenagers leads to less abuse of marijuana and alcohol by teenagers. Ideologues insist otherwise, based on hyperbole, not fact.

While I may disagree with NchronicPain, I'd like to think that we could have a rational and informed debate, in order to understand one anothers' positions. However, this is not possible on this forum, due to a small number of problem posters here who insist on name calling and rudeness, eventually frustrating those with something intelligent to say to rant back at them, before leaving in disgust.

Unless the Pilot does something about it, this tactic will continue, seeing as how it successfully derails rational debate in practically every thread -- just as the name-calling insult-hurlers intend. Which makes for a really boring and useless comments section. While I've come to expect this from the Internet-at-large, in a community like ours, with so many intelligent and well-educated people attempting to have a debate, it's just disgraceful.

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honestabe 5 years, 1 month ago

Does the Pilot have anything intelligent to say? Has this case just disappeared? NO CHARGES???!!! Is nothing happening here?

What is the story's ending? Did Wiggins screw up again? Are these accused too well heeled/lawyerly/intelligent to be pushed around. are they above the law?
What gives here pilot writers?

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aichempty 5 years, 1 month ago

Eric,

The data from Holland only proves one thing. The Dutch are better parents.

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bestfreeheel 5 years, 1 month ago

I know the woman in question, she is a decent human being who loves her children. She also happens to be passionate about marijuana, which is a way less harmful drug than alcohol. Sure, she may have over-stepped her bounds with the whole medical marijuana argument. Currently, the law's the law, if you have a medical license (which she does) you are only allowed to possess a certain amount before it's illegal, and she certainly had way more than is allowed by law. But, SHE HAS NOT HARMED ANYONE! Her children are very smart (well, they had this party that got her house busted, not exactly "smart," but they're teenagers, we all did pretty stupid things when we were teenagers) and she is very smart. I hope all the best for her and her family in these trying times. The government needs to realize that marijuana is so much less harmful than alcohol, and what windfalls they could reap if they legalized and taxed it. This bust sucks. That's all I have to say.

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honestabe 5 years, 1 month ago

Has ACET decided this was a non-case, no charges still??!!!??! Pilot/today, is there no news on this case, have you been muted, or are you just ignorant of this still developing story? Three weeks and nothing has happened? Maybe you can report on the actual amount/weight of the 40 some plants, 4-8 oz. each? thats 10-20 pounds more if the math is right. Yet no bust? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

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jk 5 years, 1 month ago

Honestly abe, First you want them to speculate on the amount of marijuana that was actually there, which is only a loose guess at best, and second they just can't make up what might be going on. Have some patientce

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