John Salazar talks about health care debate

Congressman accused of ducking debate speaks out

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U.S. Rep. John Salazar, D-Manassa

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By the numbers

Top industries contributing to John Salazar

- 2010 election cycle

1 : Health professionals : $12,400

2 : Transportation unions : $12,000

3 : Industrial unions : $10,500

4 : Democratic/liberal : $10,000

5 : Lawyers/law firms : $9,350

22 : Health services/HMOs : $2,500

- Career

1 : Lawyers/law firms : $344,982

2 : Leadership PACs : $205,319

3 : Transportation unions : $194,512

4 : Retired : $189,773

5 : Building trade unions : $188,000

11 : Health professionals : $120,458

Source: OpenSecrets.org

— U.S. Rep. John Salazar, a Blue Dog Democrat accused of hiding from the health care debate, outlined and defended his stances on the issue Thursday. Those stances include support of the "public option" and his argument that health care reform is critical but cannot add to the national deficit.

Those stances include support of the "public option" and his argument that health care reform is critical but cannot add to the national deficit. He described the "town hall meetings" being held by other representatives and senators on the issue as unproductive.

Salazar represents Northwest Colorado - and much of the Western Slope - in Congress. He spoke with the Steamboat Pilot & Today about health care Thursday before speaking at the Colorado Water Congress' annual summer conference at the Sheraton Steamboat Resort. He also talked about health care, in addition to energy legislation and federally funded water projects, during his conference address.

Last week, Colorado Republican Chairman Dick Wadhams attacked Salazar for not scheduling any "town hall meetings" to discuss health care, like the ones other representatives and senators have held across the country.

"John Salazar has been virtually invisible during the August congressional recess as he hides from the public," Wadhams stated in a news release.

As one of 52 members of the "Blue Dog" coalition of fiscally conservative Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives, Salazar also has been criticized by leaders in his own party who hoped to finalize health care reform before the August recess.

"The Blue Dog coalition, we were actually able to slow down the process," Salazar said proudly. "This is not in my opinion about Democrat or Republican, but addressing America's health care needs. This is the one shot we have of getting it done right."

Salazar said prolonging the health care debate has produced better data and good conversations - and allowed legislators to actually read the competing proposals. Others accused the coalition of opposing health care reform, being obstructionist and perhaps harboring ulterior motives such as protecting campaign contributors.

So far in the campaign finance cycle for the 2010 election, the health professionals industry is the No. 1 industry contributing to Salazar at $12,400, according to OpenSecrets.org. The health services and HMOs industry has kicked in another $2,500. During the course of Salazar's political career, however, the health professionals industry is only the 11th-highest contributing industry at $120,458, and the health services and HMOs industry isn't in the top 20.

Salazar has won elections to represent Colorado's 3rd Congressional District in 2004, 2006 and 2008.

Focus on the deficit

Salazar dismissed criticisms of the Blue Dogs.

"They by no means wanted to kill it," said Annie Fetcher, a Steamboat native and Salazar's executive assistant.

On the contrary, Salazar said, reform is absolutely necessary and noted that health care costs are inflating at a rate of 9.5 percent a year.

"If this continues, this will certainly bankrupt America," he said. "I think we all agree there needs to be some kind of health care reform."

In addition to addressing the cost curve and bringing health care inflation in line with overall inflation, Salazar said reform needs to address rural health care issues and America's uninsured while benefiting insured Americans. Salazar stood firm by the Blue Dogs' stance that increasing the national deficit is a deal-breaker.

"We have asked the president to propose something that will be deficit-neutral and doesn't fund (health care reform) on the back of our children," the congressman said. "We don't want to increase the deficit; that's for sure."

Salazar also explained why he hasn't held any town hall meetings.

"It's very hard to address and say this is where the legislation stands today," said Salazar, referring to the fact there are five versions of a health care reform bill in the House and Senate. "We don't even know what we're commenting on.

"This is an emotional discussion, health care reform is. It touches everybody," he continued. "It impacts every single American, that's for sure. : I think that open town hall meetings on such an emotional issue aren't very productive."

Salazar said he instead plans to hold a telephone town hall meeting, which thousands would be able to participate in by conference call.

Salazar said he would be willing to support a "public option" because he thinks creating a competitive marketplace for insurance is essential to reform, but he also lent weight to reports that the public option is dead.

"I would support a public option if that's what we could do," Salazar said. "My sense being a realist is that we are probably going to be looking toward a cooperative."

The public option refers to a government-run health care plan that would compete with private insurers. The co-op model is an alternative. Co-ops are owned and managed by their customers and also would compete with private insurers.

Salazar also said he wants to repeal legislation that prevents Medicaid from negotiating with pharmaceutical companies for lower prices and close the "doughnut hole" that forces some seniors to pay full price for their prescriptions.

Salazar said he thinks a finalized health care reform proposal will be ready by the end of the year and that legislation is moving in a direction he supports.

Comments

the_Lizard 5 years, 4 months ago

So typical of Salazar. It's so hard to address this ...blah blah blah. I called Salazar's office an housr or two before they passed the stimulus bill last winter. I asked what his position was on the bill. They didn't know. I ask if he had read the bill, I was told they didn't know. I called about cap and trade. When I ask the same questions, they didnt know. ( it seems Pelosi let him vote no on that one) Omnibus, they didn't know. Do we really want a representative that doesn't know, has a staff that doesn't know and refuses to answer questions from the people he represents...most likely because he doesn't know.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Name the lies LTFO, the house bill is in print lets go. Or maybe you should check with your Clergy now since Obama is using them to put the fear of God in parishioners who oppose his plan. Separation of Church and State, NOT.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Party line at its finest.

"Salazar also explained why he hasn't held any town hall meetings.

"It's very hard to address and say this is where the legislation stands today," said Salazar, referring to the fact there are five versions of a health care reform bill in the House and Senate. "We don't even know what we're commenting on."

He doesn't even know what reform would look like but he is for it. He better keep avoiding Town Halls with that answer. Why not just deal with tort reform and portability first and see where that leads us? Stop with the power grab Congressman.

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BoatNative 5 years, 4 months ago

SALAZAR!!!!

Thank you. Damn, its great to have him come out and finally state his position on this.

"Those stances include support of the public option"

We're getting this done this year, everyone. And you can complain as much as you want about it, Obama-haters, but in the end, everyone that needs help will get help, and everyone that doesn't will continue to live their lives EXACTLY the same way as before (with lower premiums, that is).

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Duke_bets 5 years, 4 months ago

Hard to believe seeuski is posting on this article.

Here's a question.............Have any of you read the healthcare bill? No you haven't is the answer! Nobody has...........Everyone is just spouting off in favor of Dem or Rep. It's good to know that Salazar has avoided the topic. You can't speak on what you don't know and that's exactly what he has stated.

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Fred Duckels 5 years, 4 months ago

The donor list tells it all, Lawyers and unions will be the big winners in any Dem bill. The government option is important so that the unions will be guaranteed the drivers seat. The lawyers huge piece of the pie will be kept intact, come hell or high water. This would be the equivalent of the camel getting his nose under the tent, the gateway to socialism. O denies that this non existent plan will be anything but candy and ice cream for all. How does he know, when we still have five plans out there? The truth never bothered him during his bang up campaign, and that worked out well for him. Lately he is turning to god to get the right, he had better watch out or his left flank will start bleeding.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

I have read parts of the bill but it is such a pile of lawyered up crap that hides the facts and every paragraph directs you to a section from another bill so one would have to read 10 times 1017 pages and then that would not give it to you straight as to what the Government can and will do. But what it will do is force unionization on every health care worker, Doctors and Nurses included, in time. Why do you think the SEIU is providing muscle against those people who are attending Town Halls and speaking out? What other reason would the SEIU have? What is their skin in the argument? Card check. And for Duke-bets, this idiotic idea that it is about Dem or Repub shows your lack of understanding as to what is going on around the Country on this issue. It is about freedom from Government intrusion. You're Democratic party won't be in power for ever and I don't care who is in, Dem Repub or Other, I don't want my personal medical care rationed by a Union owned Congress. You shouldn't either. And is the CBO lying when they crunch the numbers and put out a report that says the bill will be in the red for 1.6 $trillion$. If this takeover passes both Houses and is signed by Obama we will see how this transformation works out over the next, as Obama said, 10 to 20 years. That was his goal in changing to a single payer, Government run, system. As has been stated before, why not start with tort reform and portability for greater policy competition first and go from there? We can set up a separate tax payer funded section like Medicare to help the poor and those unable to buy policies or just add them to the existing Medicare rolls. My last thought, with the current debacle of the cash for clunker Government program that is a disaster, how could anyone want 1/6th of the US economy added to the Congressional duty list? Oh, and the truth about the Canadian system is now coming out from Canada's own Administrators.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

boatnative, Just like the help homeowners are getting from the stimulus? Record numbers of foreclosures that's what they are getting. We are Socialism haters.

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Duke_bets 5 years, 4 months ago

seeuski - Why would your personal healthcare be rationed? You are making that crap up like most of your posts. Fear and greed is your mindset. You can keep your current insurance and healthcare options. Plain and simple. You don't support it because Obama is pushing the bill. I don't believe that there has been any finality to the bill yet, just proposals. Last week, statements came out that the government may be backing out and instead use non-profit organizations. The competition would be great for the docs and insurance companies that gouge based on ability to repay.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

There was a bird at the eye glass store in Central Park Plaza, I believe it was a Parrot. All you are doing is Parroting the daily talking points, I have based my opinions on sectional readings of the actual House Bill along with what experts are saying after they have read the Bill. If what you say is true and we can keep our coverage as is, why are the Dems so adamant that a public option be in it, as Pelosi made clear yesterday? Your point taken, then ending the federal law allowing states to ban health insurance sales across state lines. That would create a new competitive market like they have in France where those laws don't exist and coverage is cheaper. The Dems have blocked this idea and now, as Congressman Wiener has exclaimed, we want single payer(government run) Health reform or nothing. Please don't expect the majority of Americans to trust what Obama says and not what is in the Bill, that won't fly anymore, not after the last seven months of flip flopping. And how am I greedy when I prefer to pay for my own insurance and assure my freedom of choice without taking handouts from my neighbors,Uncle SAM, and I am not anywhere close to the Obama definition of rich. So take your fear and greed and Obama's fear through the Clergy tactics and stick em somewhere.

Maybe see what people are actually finding in the Bill. http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Here is a great Congressional site for the Bill where you can read the comments of readers as posted in each paragraph.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

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JLM 5 years, 4 months ago

The government is a non-profit --- the biggest non-profit ever conceived. That's at the root of the problem.

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Duke_bets 5 years, 4 months ago

seeuski - There you go again. It is pointless to argue with your DA. The only reason you couldn't keep your existing healthcare option would be that it goes out of operation because of new competition. You also proved your intellect level once again by commenting on sales across state lines. Many, many health insurance policies cease to exist when one moves to another state. That, somehow gives the right to claim pre-existing conditions.

Like Matt Stoddard before me, I am done with you.

Let me know if you figured out what DA meant.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Whew, that was easy, just post the facts and they run away.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

You guys need a lesson in what Obama is bringing so you may understand where we are heading as a Country.

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GearyBaxter 5 years, 4 months ago

I love this quote from George Will:

Creative semantics is the key to contemporary government; it consists of talking in strange tongues lest the public learn the inevitable inconveniently early.

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seeuski 5 years, 3 months ago

And it was just announced that Obama is adding yet another czar, the Tobacco czar, and that the projected deficit will be 2 $trillion$ bigger than previously expected. Yea lets give them our health care for at least another 1.6 $trillion$ on top of it. Then our wait times for a Dr. might see the "change" we need.

I can't believe I missed the irony of this one,

"Your current health care options already are being determined by organizations and industries much more powerful but with less medical knowledge than your physician. Stop denying these realities of our current system."

There is no one more powerful than the Government Jason. Oh, pardon me, except of course for the SEIU which is going to run it all.

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seeuski 5 years, 3 months ago

The spell holds them.

Oh and the Obama Administration, after 2 weeks of lying, has just admitted that they hired the firm that was sending the unsolicited emails selling their health care plan. If the last Administration had done anything close to this.......... well you do the math.

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StopTheBrutalChemtrails 5 years, 3 months ago

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax Yes, it says that!

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, youll all be paid the same!

Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctors time, profession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.

Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS Cancer patients welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.

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aichempty 5 years, 4 months ago

We don't have to look far to see how legislation reall affects society.

Lyndon B. Johnson's social programs were abused by people who went to job training programs because they were getting paid to learn a trade, and then didn't like going to work, so they enrolled in another job training program. This form of abuse was not foreseen and eventually the program ended because it was not effective.

Easing credit to allow more people to get mortgages ended up in millions of foreclosures. Too much was left to the discretion of greedy mortgage brokers and careless bankers.

Medicare is plagued with fraud.

Every time the government puts one of these programs into place, there is an "assumption of good faith" which means they depend on people to act responsibly and legally. It never happens. Some people always abuse the loopholes.

The problem is not what's going to be in the legislation. It's what's NOT going to be in there to prevent waste and abuse. Give them time to work out the bugs, anticipate the problems and think in advance of how to prevent things from going wrong. If they don't, it will just be another disaster.

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StopTheBrutalChemtrails 5 years, 4 months ago

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Health card will be issued!

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your banks accounts for elective funds transfer.

Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

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stillinsteamboat 5 years, 4 months ago

I could be wrong but I don't recall The Pilot ever printing a Republican's list of contributors. Sad how the local media has played it's part in dividing our community. I could be wrong again but I don't recall the Leckenby's being so divisive when they owned and ran the newspaper.

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StopTheBrutalChemtrails 5 years, 4 months ago

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example Translation: illegal aliens.

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members your Health care WILL be rationed.

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid.. No choice.

Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No judicial review against Govt Monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (Salary)

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payrolls.

Page 150 Lines 9-13: Businesss with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesnt provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

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seeuski 5 years, 4 months ago

Keep the Government and SEIU out of our Health Care.

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mavis 5 years, 4 months ago

Duke- Its good to know he is staying out of it and not commenting since no one has read it??

Newsflash-- you elected him to be involved and educated on the bills and it is his JOB believe it or not to read the bill no matter how big it is--- another prime example of exactly what is wrong with the politicians

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Boatperson 5 years, 4 months ago

Wow!

A mish-mash of misconbobulated utterances! So you say, she said, he said and this guy's a Doctor. Therefore, my opinion based on bits an pieces of opinions of others has to be absolute and accurate.

Say What?

There are five different bills in the House three of which have moved on to the Senate all of which need to be conjoined, modified before they get to any type of final stage or vote.

Any quotes made by individuals in this forum from HR 3200, HR 3400 or any other (H) House of (R) Representatives bills or (H) House (C) Committee bills about the end of Medical Care as we know it are pure conjecture.

SEIU representing the Nurse's of America and initiatives for Medical School Students to become Primary Care Physicians are an Important partner in any Health Care (Insurance) Reform referendum.

There are NO proposed entitlements. There are proposals to modify risk by covering everyone thus reducing cost, Health Care Cost. Not eliminate the Medical Care we have now; the best in the world.

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Jason Krueger 5 years, 4 months ago

JLM may have, for once, stated so briefly the fundamental flaw in this debate. If you believe the right to life and medical care should be a corporate "for profit" enterprise then, by all means, continue preventing any rational discussion on health care reform from taking place. If you believe certain aspects of human existence need to be addressed by methods other than Wall Street quarterly reports, then help our elected officials create a program which guarantees all Americans have access to a reasonable standard of healthcare. (Note, bringing your assault rifle to the Town Hall meeting and shouting at your Representative that he is a Nazi IS NOT considered "helping".)

Rationing exists already. That "lifetime maximum benefit" amount on your insurance policy IS RATIONING. "Denial of coverage" for treatment an insurance carrier deems "experimental" but your physician feels is necessary, IS RATIONING. There already ARE long waits to see a doctor. Unless it's emergent, even here in "utopia Steamboat", getting in to see a doctor or specialist can take 2 - 4 weeks.

Your current health care options ALREADY ARE being determined by organizations and industries much more powerful but with less medical knowledge than your physician. Stop denying these realities of our current system.

Personally, I do find a fundamental flaw in a health care system which is controlled by for-profit ventures whose ultimate goal is not the long-term health of the populace but the short term monetary gains of its shareholders.

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seeuski 5 years, 3 months ago

Stop it Jason, you know better than that. "There already ARE long waits to see a doctor. Unless it's emergent, even here in "utopia Steamboat", getting in to see a doctor or specialist can take 2 - 4 weeks." Anyone who believes that is living in la la land. I have had immediate visits with my Dr.s on short notice along with major medical tests scheduled for 1 week or less. So come on. For profit, what do you think our tax and spend Congressmen see the taxpayer as? A source of money to spread around as they see fit. The problem that JLM was addressing is the Government does not need to be held accountable to a budget like a business, they just find money from other taxpayers like the 61 cent tax hike per pack on cigarettes that Obama imposed on the middle and low income earners. And news to you, that rifle toting guy was a plant working with some obscure media outlet, and it was Pelosi who started the Nazi garbage. The right to confront our elected officials is as American as apple pie, this ain't Hugo Chavez's Venezuela.

And for Boatperson, You are the prime example of the Obama tactic of not owning a specific Bill. It's about passing the idea without the Americans knowing what it is. So those of us that don't fawn over Obama do read and pay attention because we don't trust him. Not after he promised to cut out the pork and to be the most transparent President and the fear tactics he used to pass a new stimulus or we would go over 8% unemployment or the terrible way the cash for clunkers program was mishandled. No we are not on board with the Government takeover and the likely Unionization of all health care workers which further garners political power and does nothing to cure the ills of the current system. Again, Tort reform and portability of independent insurance programs to start. One step at time please.

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JLM 5 years, 3 months ago

Capitalism has delivered to this great Nation and our people the highest standard of living in the history of our planet. Pretty damn high level of performance. Anybody aware of a better system?

Some seem to believe that this basic driver of our economy should be abandoned simply because the service to be delivered is an "important" service --- health care.

Consider for a second that they are "correct" --- what is the alternative?

More importantly, what is the track record of the alternative provider?

The government has been in the health care delivery business for a long time.

Medicare --- anticipated originally to be a $200MM program has spun out of control completely and is now 3.2% of GDP! It is bankrupt and there is no energy, ideas or leadership available to correct it.

The active duty military health care system --- Walter Reed Hospital (the hospital at which Presidents and Congress are treated) was a disaster until the onset of the Iraq War focused attention on its miserable and deplorable condition

The VA Hospital system --- a disaster of poorly distributed health care used as a spoils system for Congress to distribute pork

Decision-making quality --- this is an administration which seriously put forward the idea that wounded warriors should be treated by their insurance companies for service connected ills and for combat wounds --- talk about not understanding the mission of the VA and not having a clue

Cost control ability --- the government simply cannot budget, control a budget, report variances and manage an enterprise which must deliver financial control --- in part, because we have let them get away with it but nonetheless they are not good financial managers

So, where are the facts which support the simple proposition --- can the government actually do it?

This team conceived, executed and administered the "cash for clunkers" program which has been an administrative disaster and which has resulted in a huge sales increase for.........................................Toyota! Nice job Obama Motors!

There is extraordinary evidence they cannot and I can find no credible evidence that they can. So why would anyone with a brain give them the assignment?

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JLM 5 years, 3 months ago

SEIU --- Service Employees International Union

Do you know who the founder of the SEIU is?

Look it up.

It is the founder of ACORN!

You can't make this kind of stuff up.

Wade Rathke --- founded ACORN and SEIU

Do you know that ACORN and the two locals of the SEIU operate from the same address in New Orleans where Rathke and his brother (the embezzler who stole over $1MM from ACORN and was never prosecuted) office.

SEIU hired ACORN to assist in the unionization attempts against WalMart --- of course ACORN is a non-profit and prohibited from participating in political advocacy efforts.

See any connection? <<< WalMart is now in favor of healthcare and guess what --- SEIU has dropped its unionization efforts

You just gotta love those energetic little organizers over at SEIU and their outgoing President, Andy Stern. My favorite thought for the day from Andy when accused of supplying thugs to "participate" in health care town hall meetings:

"We prefer to use the power of persuasion, but if that doesn't work we use the persuasion of power."

Nice, nice, nice guys, no?

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rexrox77 5 years, 3 months ago

Hey seeuski and all you tight fisted people, How much do you think we are paying right now to cover the ER AND RELATED bills of 50 million uninsured American citizens, (not aliens), every time they go to the hospital? Figure that in and cut out the greed and waste and the health care bill will probably save us money!!

IT'S NOT SOCIALISM, IT'S COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY!!!

Something has to be done, even many poor countries have more efficient health care systems than we do! SO INSTEAD OF WHINING ON AND ON, OFFER UP A SOLUTION, IF YOU CAN!

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seeuski 5 years, 3 months ago

I can't rexrox77 because you Obamanites won't listen. This subject has been exhausted at length.

The focus from now on will be the Communist czars like Van Jones that are in positions of power within the Obama Organization and their connections to groups like Apollo and SEIU. As Harry Reid admitted yesterday the Apollo group wrote the 787 $billion dollar stimulus bill and most likely wrote the Health care bill HR3200. This whole topic is being exposed as the transfer of wealth that Obama promissed and as he described it 5 days before the election, "the fundamental transformation of the country". From what to what? That is the question. So if you want to call what I and many others are so concerned about as whining, well I would ask, who is doing all the whining on these forums? Us or you?

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rexrox77 5 years, 3 months ago

Also a single payer system health care system is the only answer, because of cowboys and other idiots, as Obama mentioned, "people who think they are indestructable". These people won't even pay 5 bucks a month for health care, and we foot the bill when they find out they are human after all and land in the hospital. Like the guy from Craig who crashed his Harley back in May, he spends thousands on a bike and nothing on health care for himself, wife and 3 kids, and Cook Chevy offers health insurance, he just opted out of it. Because of people like him, who have their priorities backwards, the only answer is a single payer system, its just common sense for people who have none!

I am sorry the guy is paralyzed, but who will pay the massive medical bills he has and will incurr?

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rexrox77 5 years, 3 months ago

Hey seeuski, Obvoiusly you have never experienced a major medical issue with you and your's, my wife had a female problem that the YVHA milked up to $14,000 for nothing, they never did her a bit of good, and our insurance screwed us over, AGAIN!!

Wait till something like this happens to you or somebody you know and care about! Wait till somebody dies for a pre-existing condition that you know, and gets screwed by cold, callous insurers who really don't care if you like or die.

Then maybe you will sing a different tune! Worship GOD, not gold!

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seeuski 5 years, 3 months ago

80% of Americans are pretty happy with their private health care and insurance according to recent polling so it must be frustrating for rexrox77 to live among so many misinformed Cowboys. I got my health care for 4 and a half bucks a month what is wrong with you? Gee, I didn't realize that of the 46 million uninsured out of 330 million Americans that so many Cowboys and Motorcyclists were vulnerable.

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seeuski 5 years, 3 months ago

rexrox77, By now you should know that we are on to the left wing emails you and others use for these lie tactics about so called family tragedies. I have read anecdote after anecdote like the one you just told.

Unfortunately, I have had the misfortune of having had several surgeries at YVMC and would only pay that Hospital the highest compliments for the care and wonderful service I have received there over the years. They are super about giving patients a long easy payment schedule for the amounts not covered by private insurance because of co pays or otherwise. For you to make up a stupid story like you did about your make believe wife is another libel moment for you and I would watch it. The motorcyclist you referenced 2 posts ago may also take issue with your certainly false statement. Tread on.

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seeuski 5 years, 3 months ago

Obama promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term and now they are projecting a huge increase of 2 trillion over their earlier predictions. Anyone?

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trump_suit 5 years, 3 months ago

See, doesn't it get old quoting the "scary story" of the day?

"As Harry Reid admitted yesterday the Apollo group wrote the 787 $billion dollar stimulus bill and most likely wrote the Health care bill HR3200:

You watch, this will turn out to be complete BS just like your Birther conspiracy, Death Panels, the Death Book, and the Moon landing hoax. Come on...

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seeuski 5 years, 3 months ago

OK trump, when the man in the moon knocks on your door don't call me. Stay tuned for the rest of the news.

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ybul 5 years, 3 months ago

--Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records. Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax Yes, it says that!--

Man, putting the government in charge of so much. I think that the anger, division in this country needs to stop. We need to realize that the government is pushing us so far over the edge of our financial ability to service that debt, we will be indentured servants to the rest of the world forever!

Single payer, who will pay, with what? That is the point that the advocates fail to grasp. Shall we print more money, hyperinflate the economy, like Robert Mugabe. That action wipes out the wealth of most of the citizens of a country.

Without pondering all of the possible outcomes of such an action, the myriad of reasons as to why our health is in such bad shape, the system is wrought with problems. But let us not simply throw out the constitution because we want single payer. That document has protected us from the government overstepping its bounds.

The first quote in my post about how the government wants to know all of my finances. What then, they decide that I am not spending enough, not saving enough, through my thriftiness and ability to barter (for scarce goods as the government gains control of all the economy) I make more than the average citizen.

What is to alleviate us of the fatal flaw, our own human nature, which throughout history has shown that inevitably some individual will become corrupt and subjugate people to their whims and will.

People love Robin Hood, for robbing from the rich and giving back to the poor. IN reality he stole from a government that had become corrupt and gave back to those who had undue taxes levied against them.

Let us first fix the problems in the system we have. Making sure that insurance companies cover all medical bills, put people in charge and have them work towards better health, work towards a food system which is not devoid of nutritional value, work towards levying an impact fee upon those activities which harm (steal the private property rights) of individuals by ones actions; pollution. Now you supposed right wingers, those impacts of individual pollution harm the right to clean air and water. Those costs should not be born by society as a whole, but by those that harm the public interest.

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Brian Kotowski 5 years, 3 months ago

Some questions, in no particular order, I'd like to have answered:

Will the text of the bill be complete & not subject to change before it's voted on?

Will those voting on the bill have read it, comprehend it, & understand the pros & cons?

What system currently operating is the closest to what is being proposed, that we can evaluate for comparison?

Who is doing the actuarial work & setting standards for coverage?

How does it compare to private plans currently available?

Are illegals covered? If so, what's the price tag?

Will experimental treatments be covered?

Will long-term/assisted living be covered? If so, how will it be paid for?

Will cost-to-value considerations be used to deny care?

Will we be entitled to the same coverage (at the same cost) that is available to senators & congressional reps? If not, will senators & congressional reps continue to maintain their current coverage at taxpayer expense?

What's the cost per year for the 1st 40 years?

We're told the estimated cost is $1 trillion for the 1st 10 years. A lot of the big-ticket provisions don't kick in right away, lowering the 10-yr cost. What's the price tag for the 2nd decade?

Will there be a penalty for those opting not to get health insurance?

Can you attach a dollar amount to the new taxes, and who will be paying them?

What's the income threshold for those who will see higher taxes as a result of this plan?

Will the govt be authorized to electronically deduct premium payments from my bank account without my permission?

How do you reconcile piling another trillion dollars (for starters) onto the current debt with "I won't sign a bill that will add to the national debt"?

Will the public option be in the final bill?

How can a public option not lead to a single payer system?

How would we prevent a public option from becoming the grease fire that is Medicare, Social Security, the VA, the USPS, and just about anything else the govt runs?

I emailed that to all 7 of our Congressional reps & both Senators, about a month & a half ago. Haven't received a response from any of them.

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Anne Lowe 5 years ago

Wake up America!!! Look at the stats he's using. They don't make sense. How long are so many going to sit by and let the politicians pull numbers out of their hats to serve their own agendas? (Check out the jobs numbers they tried to use to convince us jobs were being saved or created. They were made up and came from congressional districts that don't even exsist!) If they get legislation passed using bogus numbers, we’ll never recover. Just look at the money the government is spending that they don’t have! It's alarming and there is no stopping them if responsible citizens continue to sit by with their heads in the sand thinking that the government is going to take care of them.

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