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Rally participants cheer during the Taxpayer Tea Party held Wednesday in front of the Routt County Courthouse. More than 100 people attended the rally to protest as part of a movement against the national government's spending, growth and taxation plans.
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Tax protest draws crowd in Routt County
Steamboat Springs — More than 100 people gathered on the Routt County Courthouse lawn to put an emphatic stamp on their tax bills Wednesday.
Residents angered by the Obama administration's and Democratic Congress' tax policies and spending plans expressed their rage at the "Taxpayer Tea Party" in fuming speeches and on colorful placards, one of which read, "Wall Street got a bailout. All I got was the bill."
"We need citizens to strike back," Steve Moore, a Wall Street Journal editorial board member, said in a recorded message played at the event. "We need to get our budget under control."
The rally was sponsored locally by The Steamboat Institute, a new nonprofit and nonpartisan organization promoting free markets, low taxes, limited government, individual rights and responsibilities, and strong national defense. Rick Akin and his wife, Jennifer Schubert-Akin, organized Wednesday's rally and are on the board of directors of The Steamboat Institute.
The event sported all the enthusiasm and organization that many said local conservatives lacked during last year's presidential campaign - especially when compared to the highly visible efforts of local Democrats.
In November, Akin said, "For whatever reason, you're unlikely to see Republicans standing on the street corner waving a sign. It's always been that way. : That's probably something we need to get better at."
Apparently, a nerve has been struck.
"We've had enough of your high taxes. We've had enough of your out of control government spending. And we're not going to take it anymore," Schubert-Akin said to loud cheers at the rally.
Volunteers passed out sheets with contact information for the White House, Colorado's senators and U.S. Rep. John Salazar of Colorado's 3rd Congressional District, and urged attendees to pick up their phones after the rally.
"It's the people's chance to stand up and say we've had enough," Schubert-Akin said. "If you leave here today and you don't go out and take action, our time will have been wasted."
Similar tax day parties were held nationwide Wednesday. Americans for Prosperity, an economic advocacy group that promotes "a return of the federal government to its Constitutional limits," supported the parties as a response to federal stimulus plans and economic recovery measures proposed by Congress and the president.
"I think we need to throw the whole damn bunch out and start over," local resident Carol Ward said. "I'm just in disbelief that so many people in this country think we can spend our way out of a deficit. : I am mad as hell."
Obama's $3.6 trillion federal budget, which has been approved by Congress and will move forward a number of the president's policy priorities, projects a $1.75 trillion deficit this year, the largest in history. During a visit to Steamboat Springs on Tuesday, U.S. Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo., defended deficit spending in the short term to help put the nation's economy back on track and said deficits will be reduced in future years.
Those who attended Wednesday's rally, however, weren't buying the justifications.
"We are tired of the government spending our money on stupid stuff that we don't need," said Lisa Richardson, 18, of Craig.
Steamboat resident Shannon Steele said he attended the rally "just to stand up and be heard. Just to say we don't agree with the current administration. We're tired of the spending."
Moving forward, Akin said The Steamboat Institute will hold educational forums on the country's "founding principles." A public policy conference has been scheduled for August. Akin said he hopes to land nationally recognized speakers for the event.
Comments
beentheredonethat (anonymous) says...
It is disturbing to see that routt county still has racists who will stand against our president because of his skin color.
April 17, 2009 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Hey Brent Boyer,
The post above surely is across the line.
April 17, 2009 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
beentheredonesh.......
You are providing proof that liberals can't think for themselves. You are quoting Janeane Garofalo in your nausiating tirade.
April 17, 2009 at 10:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Ex,
I am sorry but it is very easy to misunderstand your meaning in that second post.
Calling me a zealot is pretty funny as you have no clue of my faith and beliefs or anything else, I surely am no Bible thumper,so lighten up.
Who promissed to"use a scalpel" to cut out the pork and earmarks from any budget when he would be the President as he said to us during the Campaign debates?OBAMA, he then signs a pork bill and a pork filled budget and then he says it's the last time he'll do it but it won't be.
It is also very telling how much Bush was blamed for everything and Obama is now the Pres and has a short track record which includes spending packages that make no sense, his Treasury Department added language to the TARP package allowing the bonuses that were paid to AIG execs, almost fainting at the feet of King Abdullah, appointing Tsar after Tsar that are TAX dodgers etc. etc. and he gets a pass.
Our new Homeland Security Chief (Napolitano) puts out a report, that she was warned was incendiary, that threatens anyone who disagrees with the Obama Administration with Patriot Act servaillance, even our returning Military heros. We learn today that the NSA has overstepped their legal authority in servaillance practices since Obama took office. 1700 underpriveldged DC kids who were bennefitting from the school voucher programs will now have to go back to the underperforming dangerous DC public schools because the Dems, beholden to the Teachers Unions, will not extend the voucher program which was first initiated in 2003 under the Bush Admin. Several of these kids were going to Sidwell Friends where the Obama girls go. The Obama Administration won't except repayment of OUR money from the Banks that recieved TARP funds because they want their dirty little hands in the Banks business. Gee, I wonder what these Banks have that the Gov't wants? Interest in the billions to spend on more stuff.
This is what is driving the angst of Americans and why so many showed up around the Country on Wednesday.
Where is the anger from you guys that was so prevalent when Bush had the reigns.
SILENCE!
April 17, 2009 at 5:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
exduffer,
12 noon in Steamboat out in front of the courthouse and you are being accused of bringing your 2 yr old child to an indoctrination. How pathetic. Again, this was not a political event for one side or the other, as is evidenced by your affiliation, it was a gathering of people who care about the direction our Country is headed and we want our politicians to take notice.
Even Napolitano. Our Vets deserve much better.
April 17, 2009 at 9:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duke_bets (anonymous) says...
Duke bets that Lisa Richardson, 18, of Craig, didn't even file a tax return. Good thing her voice is being heard in the local yocal.
April 16, 2009 at 8:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sickofitall (anonymous) says...
Pretty weak turnout if you ask me. Oposition to the war in Iraq had many more numbers . But what the hey, just because a Democrat is spending money on OUR country and not a republican, there is outcry. Is this the messege the GOP is really looking for? Bushie got our deficit going after Clinton had it down. WTF? Where were these protests when a Republican was spending all the money? We had to BORROW money to fight a war! He also created offshore tax shelters for major corporations, another bill us poor taxpayers need to pick up. Where were you guys then?
April 16, 2009 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lilwelder (anonymous) says...
Duke - you just couldn't stand to not say anything. So you make a statement based upon as assumption. Smart.
April 16, 2009 at 8:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rokboat (Neil O'Keeffe) says...
Where were these patriots when our civil liberties were being trounced, when we were led into a senseless war based on lies and deception killing 10's of thousand innoncents, when their last administration squandered a budget surplus with the same big spending they now criticize? I could go on but what is the use, just more Republican bs firing up a minority of individuals with blinders on over devisive issues so Empire/Special Interest can get their way. Now they decide to take their heads out of the sand. What a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites. More ideology without any real ideas. Truly Pathetic!!!
April 16, 2009 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duke_bets (anonymous) says...
lil - My assumption was smart because it's correct. Thank you for recognizing that. And, you obviously missed my point.
Neil has it correct. A budget surplus wasted to fund a war. Actually, several wars, which have accomplished nothing.
To all of you stomping on the lawn..........This deficit didn't come about in the 1st quarter of 2009.
April 16, 2009 at 8:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldskoolstmbt (anonymous) says...
well said neil (and duke)...
April 16, 2009 at 9:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
It was a nice day spent with concerned fellow Americans.
Sorry to upset you mad posters.
As far as the O'keefe ideoligy, a large number of Americans have not been blinded by the George Soros/moveon lying media. We know that George Bush did right by his oath of office when he went after the terrorists and their sponsor Saddam Hussein.
No terrorist attacks here since 9/11.
We had a robust economy under George Bush but the housing market was used by the liberals in Congress to redistribute wealth to the poor and they ignored the warnings of the Bush administration that Fannie/Freddie were cooking the books and insuring too many loans to risky borrowers.
This subject has been argued here endlessly and all you libs do is point your finger at Bush when the evdence shows it was the Dems who control the GSE'S that are behind this mess.
This event yesterday is just the beginning of a Nationwide movement that will bring the right kind of change to this great Country.
No more coddling saviors like Obama, just real leaders looking out for us little guys. And get ready to say bye bye to the likes of Pelosi, Frank and Dodd etc. The real spenders.
April 16, 2009 at 9:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sickofitall (anonymous) says...
The Republican party is DONE. Next!
April 16, 2009 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
presplumb (Pres Plumb) says...
seeuski:
In a comment relating to the event video, you referenced a television report on Islamic groups training in the U.S. I'd like to run that down. Could you tell me which network carried the report?
Thanks
April 16, 2009 at 9:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fredduckels (Fred Duckels) says...
Contrary to the headline for this article, O was not singled out. Politicians were notably absent, probably because there was no fence to straddle. We have been living beyond our means for decades, and that includes the local scene. This was a concerned group that is searching for sanity to the mess that needs to be addressed before it's too late.
Seeuski, I find no reason to reply to the blogs, but a CNN reporter pretty much summed up their frustations by interrupting a participant, with her own left wing rant.
April 16, 2009 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldskoolstmbt (anonymous) says...
after viewing the video, i'm very thankful i did not attend, and especially with my children...seeuski~ i think you are confused with the def's of 'concerned' and 'mad'....i believe there are enough words in our english language that carol could have chosen NOT to use her truck driver mouth....of course when your angry (mad), it definately gets your point accross, right seeu?
April 16, 2009 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WZ (anonymous) says...
Darn, wish I would have known about this before. I've always wanted to "tea bag" on the front lawn of the court house.
Although, I have no problems with paying my taxes, and quite frankly, am proud of it.
April 16, 2009 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Pres plumb,
Use your google and search it bro. Don't take my word for it.
Fred, you are exactly correct and this is my last response to these nasty attacks on regular folks.
See you at the next save America event.
April 16, 2009 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
presplumb (Pres Plumb) says...
seeuski:
I did. I'm much older than your bro. I asked a civil question. Either give a civil response or don't bother.
Pres Plumb
April 16, 2009 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
knee_dropper (anonymous) says...
Ha ha WZ, I heard somebody "tea bagged" the white house. Didn't know it was going to be that kind of party. But seriously, there seems to be a lot of misplaced anger that the republicans lost control of the house, senate and white house due in part to their own fiscal irresponsibility. Now that they seemingly don't have anything to contribute, they just want to lash out. Somebody should point out to Schubert-Akin that taxes are actually lower for the vast majority of Americans now than under Bush. My sympathies to those that still gross over 250k a year, hope you can shoulder the burden of those pre-Bush tax rates through these tough times.
April 16, 2009 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duke_bets (anonymous) says...
WZ is hilarious! Most folks won't get it, but nontheless that was funny.
April 16, 2009 at 11:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
housepoor (anonymous) says...
Let's face it as long a the republican party insists on hitching their wagon to the religious right and gun nuts, the argument that they are the party of small gov and fiscal responsibility will continue to be overshadowed and take a back seat.
April 16, 2009 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fredduckels (Fred Duckels) says...
The Republican party is in a bind. It is difficult to attract voters when they are not promised a "free ride". Having to compete and earn it is so "yesterday". The Democratic party rewards it's backers and that means everyone will get the free ride. This will be accomplished by riding the backs of private enterprise fat cats. The tool to be used is legislation. If you want a preview try California, New York, Michigan, Oregon, to name a few. When they run short of funds where do they go? The future is bleak for conservatives before the whole thing craters, afterward we will still have Barney Frank to proclaim that he was right all along.
April 16, 2009 at 11:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
beentheredonethat (anonymous) says...
good folks of steamboat who were out protesting......get a life.
April 16, 2009 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tscan711 (Tim Scannell) says...
Nice job Neil. Why address the issues and facts when it easier to just rant about unrelated opinions and call people names. 3rd grade debate skills.
April 16, 2009 at 12:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
untamedShrewd (anonymous) says...
"Our administration is concerned about deficits, and the way they deal with deficits is you want to control spending. And I hope Congress lives up to their words. When they talk about deficits, they can join us in making sure we don't overspend. They can join us and make sure that the appropriations process is focused on those issues that--those items that are absolutely necessary to the American people. I'm pleased that members of the Congress are talking about deficits. It means they understand their obligations not to overspend the people's money." remarks by President Bush, Jan. 6, 2003
Before the war, White House economic adviser Lawrence Lindsay estimated the cost at $100 to $200 billion. So the White House got rid of him and "re-estimated" the cost at $50 to $60 billion. It's now over $700 billion.
The neocons, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc. were just totally unrealistic. "We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon." Wolfowitz, March 28, 2003.
By The Numbers: Cost of Iraq War
• over $700 billion spent thus far
• over $60 billion to private contractors
• over $10 billion of which has gone anaccounted for
• more than half of contract money went to Halliburton ($1.4 billion of which were undocumented charges)
• Halliburton spent some of this money having its own embroidered logo on hand towels
• over $50 billion to reconstruction work in Iraq
• $1 to $2 trillion is estimated cost of war
• if spending $1,000 per second it would take 3 decades to spend a trilllion
• 4,273 American Deaths since war began (3/19/03)
• 4,134 deaths of which since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03)
• 31,169 wounded
If our tax dollars were spent here in the U.S. instead of invading Iraq
• over 7,726,076 public school teachers could have been hired for a year
• or over 266,956,850 children could have had health insurance
for a year (there aren't even 266 million children in the U.S.)
• or over 21,612,280 students could have been provided with four-year college scholarships
• $3,000 could have been sent from the Treasury to every man, woman, and child in U.S.
• annual budget for (2007):
EPA $7.5 billion; Dept of Ed $55 billion; Nat'l Science Foundation $6 billion; Nat'l Cancer Inst $5 billion; Dept of Homeland Security $35 billion; Nat'l Highway Transportation Safety Admin $670 million
Or if the U.S. spread the wealth around the world
• $150 could have gone to every human being on the earth
• millions of children world wide could have been saved from preventive illnesses with vaccines and antibiotics
I hate paying taxes too, but I think a trillion is better spent here in the U.S. than in Iraq.
April 16, 2009 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Duke_bets (anonymous) says...
Fred - Take seeuski out for dinner and the bozo's stomping on the lawn. They will agree with you.
And, the difficulty in attracting voters is due to Senior Bush holding office, GW holding office, and John McCain being the only viable candidate for the Republicans. Did I mention Cheney and Palin.........Those two solidify my point of view.
April 16, 2009 at 1:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rokboat (Neil O'Keeffe) says...
Well said Shrewd, that's the truth. Moderate republicans will concede these facts, unfortuantely alll the party has remaining are zealots, sheep and blowhards. Even a third grader can see that! Believe!
April 16, 2009 at 8:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
Neil- not all of us that are still Republicans are zealots or sheep. I didn't vote for Obama, but you can't blame Tea Parties on him. It's both parties to blame, in my opinion.
And did I see a reformed mob capo on Hannity's Great American Panel tonight? Bravo!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_...
April 16, 2009 at 8:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exduffer (anonymous) says...
As a democrat registered in Routt county for 25 years who attended this event I have problem with some of my fellow party members.
Please stop the name calling, it makes you look like third graders. If you don't agree with someones opinion either turn and walk away, or listen to their views and express your own without the name calling.
This especially goes to the guy who at noon rush, slammed on his brakes rolled down his window and in front of many young children yelled "He gave you a tax break you f**king morons".
Now my two year old is running around the house saying this and the wife is mad as hell.
April 17, 2009 at 7:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
Just wondering- why would someone bring a 2yr old to a Political Rally anyway? People could misconstrue that as indoctrination at such a young age.
Either way, the guy in the car was wrong & should have been ticketed just like that guy in Denver on the lake a few years back. He was also wrong- Obama hasn't given ANYONE a tax break yet, and has only so far, increased taxes on tobacco. Everyone's railing about taxes but...they truly haven't changed either way, yet.
"Oh...you think taxes won't go up, huh?" Never said that, but if they did, maybe we can start being prudent and use those higher taxes to start paying down the National Debt that doubled over the last 8yrs under "Fiscal Conservatives" and just might do the same under Obama. If the rally was as "non-partisan" as it was tauted, there wouldn't have been ANY signs with Bush's or Obama's name on them.
And to people who are offended because of the term "Tea Bag," I had no idea being PC was back in style on the Conservative side. (O'Reilly laughs his butt off when he has Dennis Miller on the show and Miller's making veiled sexual jokes...but if Tea Bag gets said...ZOMG!!!)
April 17, 2009 at 8:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MrTaiChi (anonymous) says...
There is something going on here of great interest, something deaper being revealed. What accounts for the degree of agitation and anger toward the rally by many of the posters? Could it be a reaction to the challenge to their faith based belief system, that a charismatic leader and his lieutenants have discerned the will and needs of the people and will lead the country back to its former glory. Heretical opinion must ridiculed and suppressed. Sounds like National Socialism to me.
Shrew- An impressive display of your researching capabilities!
I don't know many Republicans who wouldn't say that going to war in Iraq turned out to be mistake of colossal proportions, but under international law and common sense, we had to fix what we broke. Ironically, the neo-cons. may still be proven right if democracy takes root in Iraq and affects the rest of the middle east. The cost is indeed damnable, but Saddam had promised revenge on America for defeat in the Gulf War, and in the area of revenge and reprisals, he was highly credible. I ask others and I ask you, "What monitary value do you place on preventing the loss of one American civilian life here at home as a result of an act of terrorism? What is the monitary value of preventing destruction of one of our great cities?" I know that you can't answer that, no one can, but minimizing the necessary involvement of our armed forces in a very dangerous world in favor of domestic projects is sophistry and for the Democratic party risks the characterization that they know the cost of everthing, but the value of nothing.
April 17, 2009 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exduffer (anonymous) says...
I was bringing her to an indoctrination of evils so to speak.
First to our government talking cave, which until recently has been filled to the brim with credit card offers.
Then to the bank to deposit her Easter check from her grandparents, where she got a lollipop (more than the interest she will get in the next year).
As to why I took her to the tea party it was because we were out for a walk on a beautiful day and when she heard mom and me talking about it that morning she kept saying "I want to go to a tea party".
April 17, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
Seeuski- Thanks for doing exactly as I said. First, I didn't accuse Exduffer of taking a 2yr old to an indoctrination; I said, "People might miscontrue..." No soon typed than you came back saying he was being accused.
2nd- 12n on the Courthouse lawn with a 2yr old on most any other day would be a nice little stop. On 15APR09, it was a political rally, regardless of trying to let a 2yr old that it's not that kind of tea party.
And if this was non-partisan, your post from yesterday wouldn't have been a tirade about George Soros & Obama (let alone Janeane Garafalo- is she even still in the public eye???)
Now- about being PC...I noticed you decided to condemn somebody thinking Routt County still has racists in it. Why is it over the line? It's not directed anyone in particular and there were no words as bad as "Tea Bag" in the post. It seemed to be a generalized, yet unsubstantiated statement. An off the cuff remark without thinking first. I believe Rick Perry did that in Texas a couple days ago with a very un-American statement.
Exduffer- thanks for clearing it up!
MrTaiChi- I read you said you're 43. Is that just "4now?" LOL!
April 17, 2009 at 11:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Gee I guess this is just such a coincidence. And how ironic that an angry lefty yelled obcenities that offended someone other than us evil conspirers.
From the Olberman show last night:
Liberal actress and political activist Janeane Garofalo, in all seriousness, said "activists who attended tea parties are racists with dysfunctional brains" in a recent prime-time television appearance.
"Let's be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea party was about. They don't know their history at all. It's about hating a black man in the White House," she said on MSNBC's "The Countdown" with Keith Olbermann Thursday evening. "This is racism straight up and is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks. There is no way around that."
This kind of puke is why MSNBC,s ratings are in the toilet.
Where was this stuff when terrible racist epithets were common against Condy Rice?
The left is scared of the energy from this event and what it could mean for their "change" ideals down the road.
Well not all Americans want that kind of change.
Exduffer contradicting himself from one post to the next.
Post 1:
"As a democrat registered in Routt county for 25 years who attended this event I have problem with some of my fellow party members.
Please stop the name calling, it makes you look like third graders. If you don't agree with someones opinion either turn and walk away, or listen to their views and express your own without the name calling."
Post 2:
"I was bringing her to an indoctrination of evils so to speak."
Peace out.
April 17, 2009 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exduffer (anonymous) says...
My 'indoctrination of evils' remark was in reference to the driver, the government and our banking system, not the peaceful protest on the courthouse lawn.
I did infuriate me that there were anti Obama posters when this was supposed to be a protest against our governments spending and taxing habits. I took the high road and let the people speak their peace.
When I talked to some friends during the event (die hard republicans) they were also dissapointed that some took this opportunity to attack Obama singularly and not the government as a group.
Sorry seeu, I may have contradicted myself again. Is it possible to be friends with a right wing zealot or will I go to hell.
Whooops! I can't go to hell since I am a left wing non believer.
Whoops! I better send grandma and granpa their Easter check back.
April 17, 2009 at 3:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Ex said:
"I did infuriate me that there were anti Obama posters when this was supposed to be a protest against our governments spending and taxing habits. I took the high road and let the people speak their peace."
Thats weird because the head of the Gov't is OBAMA. But the speakers heaped blame on both sides.
And thanks for remaining peaceful. It is awesome though that out of the million or so people nationwide not one report of anything but peaceful, meaningful rallys. CNN tried to incite in Chicago but failed.
No left wing code pink style violent stuff to be found just good, caring, proud Americans.
April 17, 2009 at 6:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peace (anonymous) says...
Now there is some good common sense and sommentary from seeuski. Kudo. I still believe most of these teabaggers are the biggots that hate the fact a black man is in the whitehouse. But we as Americans have even elected a KKK to some level of government. See David Duke.
The other part me remembers protests where police started clubbing photographers.
So much hate every where saddens me. And I am anti-anti. I think.
If Texas seceeds, they aught to be careful. America has a recent history of invading oil rich countries.
April 17, 2009 at 7 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Hey Peace,
Thanks for the compliments but this whole idea that we must be racist is being fueled by the moveon George Soros big money propeganda machine in order to affect a negative spin and a hampering of the movement against government waste. I would hope we wouldn't be used as pawns against one another by the political powers as this unreal attack of racism is being waged.
It won't work, it is too obvious, and it will backfire on the left.
Please don't try the David Duke stuff on me as I am an enemy and an intended victim to those of his ilk, which includes Democratic Senator Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia. The former Grand Cyclops of the KKK.
Yes, there are scumbags in both parties.
Regarding Duke,as I was a Democrat in 1990 I still am curious about whether he was supported by the Republican leadership and Wiki has this:
In 1990, in the open primary, Duke ran as a Republican against incumbent Democratic Senator Bennett Johnston.
"The Republican party endorsed state Senator Ben Bagert, but national Republican officials anticipated Bagert losing and fragmenting Johnston's support; so funding for Bagert's campaign was halted, and he dropped out two days before the election, though his name remained on the ballot. [24] In the last week of the campaign, Republican Senator John C. Danforth of Missouri openly endorsed Johnston."
Interesting that the Republican in charge endorsed the Democrat over the bigot.
The lesson to me is not to assume and to spend the time to check things out for yourself.
April 17, 2009 at 8:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JLM (anonymous) says...
The recent tea parties were the outgrowth of comments made by a Chicago Mercantile Exchange trader, Rick Santelli, during an interview pertaining to TARP and the prospect of "you" paying for your neighbor's mortage. He was the first to suggest a Tea Party. The movement did not begin with taxes though the rallies were held on 15 Apr --- a date which lives on in tax infamy!
The idea and the movement have absolutely nothing to do with the racial identity of the President. President Obama is half white and half black and has celebrated his black half --- his perogative.
He has not a drop of "slave" blood in him as his father was a Kenyan studying in the US and was an African. Though he had no direct connection with the history of racial prejudice in the US, he was a direct beneficiary of affirmative action obtaining an extraordinary education because of the color of his skin. Good for him. The system has worked as planned and he has been afforded and taken advantage of the opportunities which were earned for him by others who did suffer. Good on him!
He was the first such nominee of his party, the Democratic Party, and that was certainly newsworthy. Historic! Breathtaking! He is the first half white half black President of the US and that was certainly newsworthy. This news is now old news and the Nation has gotten over it.
He is now just our President. Yours and mine. I could give a whit what his ethnic makeup is --- we are a Nation of mongrels all of us.
Ignorant folks like to suggest that the President's race has something to do with the outpouring of frustration which manifested itself in these rallies --- that is simply not the case.
Americans are concerned and frustrated about the policies, executive orders, actions and plans of their government --- as lead by President Obama. They are sick of the salvation of entire industries with no apparent penalties while their burden is increased and favoritism is shown to politically well connected splinter groups --- like the UAW and SEIU.
Americans are fair minided people and reject the class warfare idea that everybody can benefit and the bill can be sent to the most productive portion of our society who already shoulder a disproportionate burden under the guise of "progressivity".
Americans are smart enough to understand that the grandiose plans of this administration and the explosion of spending are not the right solution and presage decades of taxes, high taxes and higher taxes imposed in a fundamentally unfair manner and with an objective of simply redistributing wealth from the productive elements of our society to those who pay no taxes. They can fully understand what an unmitigated disaster these plans will create.
April 19, 2009 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JLM (anonymous) says...
The vulgar reference to recent rallies and participants as "tea bagger parties" and "tea baggers" shows the ignorance, coarseness and indecency of those boors who offer such references.
It serves to highlight the bankruptcy of their ideas and the shallowness of their character --- be they commenters in this blog or Anderson Cooper of CNN ("It's hard to talk while you're tea bagging.") or the entire cesspool of MSNBC commentators.
Shame on you for your tasteless and uncouth derision of your fellow citizens.
April 19, 2009 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
Yeah! How dare people like Hannity & Limbaugh deride people prostesting the 2000 elections, calling their fellow citizens "sore losers!" Oh...was that not what we were railing about?
April 19, 2009 at 2:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Respectable disagreements as apposed to being called vulgar names Mr. Stoddard sir.
It is no fun being called a racist from people who don't know you. It is disgusting for those of us who attended one of the over 2,000 events held on 04/15/09 to be used as oral sex jokes on National TV.
If the left had the evidence and amunition against FOX news that we have against most of the drive-by media the Liberals in Congress would be calling for much more than the Fairness Doctrine (Chavez Doctrine). CBS news's Dan Rather fired for putting out fraudulent documents against Bush during a Presidential election. CNN reporter inciting violence to no avale at the Chicago Tea Party. Liars at NYT putting out a story of McCain having an affair with his Aid that was later proven to be a lie and NYT made no/zero retraction and this was in order to affect voters in the Presidential election. ETC. ETC. ETC.
http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasi...
So hope this makes some feel good, here goes.
FOX news lies, FOX news lies, FOX news lies!!
If I say it enough will it be so?LOL.
April 19, 2009 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Oh, and Matthew,
I was one who was affected in 2000 as I voted for Gore.
I just didn't hold onto the rage like the crazies did.
I kind of movedon,org so to speak and got over it.
I did not hate the man who won. Enough recounts and the Supreme Court satisfied me.
April 19, 2009 at 3:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
Yeah- it's no fun being called anything when the words spit forth like vitriol, does it? And the CNN reporter (and I used that "liberally") wasn't inciting violence. She was snotty as hell and deserves to be fired, but I never saw here incite violence. How was that done? By sticking a mic in someone's face, then start debating it instead of reporting it? Nope. Never saw that come from a conservative reporter...Carl Cameron.
As for 2000, if you look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_...
Bush won under each circumstance that was asked for EXCEPT the road not taken: Had a Statewide recount (in any of the 4 ways listed, but most importantly...) been done the exact way it was originally supposed to by County...Gore won.
April 19, 2009 at 5:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JLM (anonymous) says...
Being called a "sore loser" is a bit less vulgar and coarse than being called a "tea bagger" in a smug manner by a chap like Anderson Cooper or Rachel Maddow.
If somebody took a shot at them for their homosexual practices, you would cry "foul", wouldn't you?
Do you defend comments like "It's hard to talk when you're tea bagging!" by a guy like Anderson Cooper? Exactly what he said to David Gergen.
It's just lewd, crude and repulsive --- it reflects upon exactly the kind of people who say it. It reveals their true character. The fact that the management of both CNN and MSNBC failed to discipline them speaks volumes as to their tastelessness, lack of class and unprofessionalism.
Or maybe I'm wrong?
April 19, 2009 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
If A Fox reporter had done what this self professed so called reporter did they would have been stoned by the never freindly left wing loons that attend every anti Gov't rally that involves pro left wing agendas.
Notice how there were zero incidents from any of the Tea Parties. I guess we Right Wingers are the neoPeaceniks eh?
Secondly, Matthew, you have claimed to be a Republican on this site in previous posts.
You are as much a Republican as those fakes who call into CSPAN claiming to be neoDems or have seen the light and realized their evil ways for having been a Republican.
You can always tell those by their opening, I was a Republican until now. Yea Right.
Part of the Moveon,org playbook.
Your continued anger over the 2000 election nails you on that one.
April 19, 2009 at 6 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
I voted for Bush in 2000. My anger came when he invaded Iraq instead of concentrating on Afghanistan. I still couldn't bring myself to vote for Kerry in 2004, so I voted Bush again. My bad, I concede. I didn't vote for either Obama or McCain this year, but most of my other picks were mixed. I voted for the person and not the party.
As for the reporter, that's why I mentioned Carl Cameron, who constantly interjects opinion to news and interviews instead of just reporting; as does Bill Hemmer and Megyn Kelly, since theirs is a morning new report show, not op-ed show. Shep Smith keeps it very even.
I did notice how peaceful the protests were. I also noticed how peaceful all the anti-protests were, that ACORN set-up. Wait. I didn't really see any anti-protests. Maybe a few odd signs here and there on TV, but...
JLM- Tea Baggers as an insult. Whoda thunk? I guess someone will have to come up with some more PC sounding synonym so as not to offend. Seeuski's pretty good at that, considering his Man Made Natural Disaster one.
(Why do my feet hurt? Oooohhh, shoe's on the other foot! That would explain it!)
The arguments are still the same on each side, but the timbre of type has reversed.
April 19, 2009 at 6:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Matthew,
How could you just turn to anger? Did you look for the truth about that terrorist attack against us or is this another ruse on your part?
Saddam Hussein was the state sponsor for the murder of thousands of Americans and Bush did the right thing in this war.
What is wrong with you? If you would say you were anti war, OK.
But to constantly ignore the facts is maddening.
And the man made natural disaster term is the new Obama term for terrorism.
Good night, sleep tight. As of this moment we still have a great Military to preserve us. For now.
April 19, 2009 at 9:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
I've read your 9-11 Commission Report on Iraq. It grasps at wisps, and practically acknowledges it even if you don't. And there you go "assuming" something about someone you don't know after getting so emotional over it yourself. I didn't say I was anti-war...I was anti-Iraq War because it was completely unnecessary. Could have sworn that Osama bin Laden was the one behind 9-11. I guess we should have gone after Switzerland instead of Germany and Japan during WWII since they were neutral. That'd shown the Axis!
Oh- more disingenuity on your part. The other thread you provided about the 9-11 Commssion was a Witness Statement only...not the conclusion of the report. The 9-11 Commission found no link or a tenous link at best between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Those are the facts you keep hiding from others when you cherry-pick. Fortunately, I get a cherry craving every once in a while.
I notice you couldn't re-correct any of the items you ticked off that I had to correct. Does that mean you specifically meant to deceive people into the half-truths mentioned? Or does it show you just didn't do the homework you assigned yourself very well? This is what I'm talking about with No Child Left Behind; you do know that, right?
As for anger- I'm not the one taking my balls and going home because someone called me a Tea Bagger. I'm actually laughing! (Of course, "hearing" your "voice" in my inner soundtrack when reading your posts, sounds like a cross between Rush Limbaugh and Roger Rabbit doesn't help me stop laughing, either. I wish you could hear it. It quite funny!)
See? If you weren't so slanted in your Republican-ness, you might actually see the bigger picture of things. You don't bother to see that had we concentrated on Afghanistan without going into Iraq, we might have actually gotten Osama.
You keep saying it's about Government in general, both sides, but you keep laying it out there on Democrats. It shows self-delusional traits. You might wanna get that looked at. It's usually contagious.
April 20, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
Munchausen Syndrome? I guess it depends on what you're munchin'.
April 20, 2009 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
The world according to Sir Matthew Stoddard.
The opinions of the members on the 9/11 commission is of no use to me. When that panel included Jamie Goerelick who was 2nd under AG Janet Reno and responible for hindering our inteligience agencies ability to coordinate their efforts by passing laws against sharing intel, I took their opinions at face value. Especially when they refused to acknowledge the Able Danger intel ops.
This was a biased Commission in my opinion, but I am sure they are gospel for you as they serve your purpose with their opinions.
Be that as it may.
I knew as I posted the 9/11 reports that you would revert to the opinions at the end and ignore the evidence against Saddam Hussein in the body because it suits your desire as an anti war passivist. I guess that one man coordinated and funded the 9/11 attacks and sending 100 thousand Americans into harms way in Afghanistan for that mission makes sense when all the information against Hussein before Bush, during Bush and after Bush is that Hussein was Hitler incarnate. I am sure you miss the guy as you continue to defend the head terrorist.
I say good riddens and thank Bush for protecting America from any further terror attacks since 9/11.
I hope Obama realizes the necessity of following Bush's lead in the endevour of protecting Americans from Islamic Jihadists.
The rest of your blather and personal attacks are amusing but I have to go.
If it makes you feel good, Bush and the Republicans are what went wrong with a perfect world after Clinton left.
What a joke.
April 20, 2009 at 1:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JLM (anonymous) says...
Once President-elect Obama began to receive the Presidential Daily Brief, his thoughts and ultimately his policies began to mirror those of President Bush because he began to understand the real intelligence and no longer relied upon the Daily Kos and Salon.
Even so, he is a wild eyed liberal and finds it impossible to publicly acknowledge the truth. He cannot bring himself to acknowlege how well the Surge went in Iraq.
For the first time, I am beginning to get a sense of how difficult things in Afghanistan and Pakistan are going to be. I doubt that our President has the real resolve to see the matter through to its conclusion and the Afghan hills will claim yet another "conqueror".
April 20, 2009 at 2:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
Seeuski- You're hilarious! Really! First, you cherry pick 1 person's testimony from the 9-11 Commission Report, then the report & members of said Commission are of no use to you! Brilliant strategy! No wonder we're still stuck in not only Afghanistan, but Iraq, too. And still no Osama. Uttering amazing reasoning. I'm going to be giggling for days on that one! LMAO!
JLM- Obama is still looking at the timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq and is already commissioning more to Afghanistan. And the surge...the surge worked, but it doesn't change my mind about going into Iraq in a disorderly manner. Chocolate cake can still physically taste good even if it was stolen.
April 20, 2009 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Coochie coochie. Giggle giggle. How cute.
Please post some information that backs your assertion that Hussein was uninvolved with terrorism here and in Israel and contradicts Clinton's expert Advisor, Laurie Mylroie and numerous other investigative reports.
They have been posted on numerous articles here by me.
This continuing nonsense that you keep bringing up is old.
I say I have been convinced by what I have read and your continuing retort is none other than the MSNBC, Bush lied and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with Al Qaida, talking points along with your condescension.
I am open to real info but not to your conjecture based on the drive by media and a 9/11 commission opinion from a group that was clearly biased. And cherry picking testimony is ok, I don't have to agree with the opinion of what I believe to be a biased jury in the commission.
What was it again that Sandy Berger stole from the National Archives and destroyed? Reports were that it pertained to 9/11.
I am waiting.
Please don't waste a response if it is another personal attack. I get it. But I am sincerely interested in any good info you may have.
April 20, 2009 at 4:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
http://www.husseinandterror.com/
April 20, 2009 at 4:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/0...
April 20, 2009 at 4:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0226/p0...
April 20, 2009 at 4:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/mfaarchive/...
April 20, 2009 at 4:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/report-d...
April 20, 2009 at 4:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
And I mentioned the findings OF the 9-11 Commission, itself.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/...
Page 334
April 20, 2009 at 6:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JLM (anonymous) says...
President Obama's policies toward both Iraq and Afghanistan are EXACTLY the same as President Bush's. Exactly!
Why do you think that is? Cause when he met w/ Petraeus and the other Generals, they b!tch smacked him and told him to shut up. Petraeus had already read him the riot act when Candidate Obama arrived in Baghdad before the election. Notice how there have not been any great photo ops w/ the Generals since then?
This guy is a total lightweight on military and national security matters. He spends all his time apologizing and then gets close and personal w/ every tin horn third world dictator in S America. He's a big smiling buffoon.
President Obama: "Hey, let's make a secret trip to Iraq and I can tell the troops what they already know."
Only difference, is the campaign is now over and President Obama is looking at the same facts as his predecessor.
At least acknowledge the truth.
April 20, 2009 at 7:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sickofitall (anonymous) says...
End it boyz..
April 20, 2009 at 8:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flower (anonymous) says...
Aiken, Good point that you don't often see Republicans waving signs. I believe the reason is because we have jobs.
April 20, 2009 at 10:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Yea, I thought so. You aint got nothin.
The opinions of the biased members.
Well how about some inside bias and control from a George Soros crony? Hope you feel safe now!
"Pentagon official blames U.S. for al-Qaida attacks
Worked for George Soros, argued for government control of media.
By Aaron Klein
Posted: April 20, 2009
9:35 pm Eastern
She believes al-Qaida was an "obscure group" turned into a massive threat due to U.S. policies.
She's referred to former President Bush as "our torturer in chief" and a "psychotic who need(s) treatment" while comparing Bush's arguments for waging a war on terrorism to Adolf Hitler's use of political propaganda.
She's worked on behalf of George Soros' philanthropic foundation.
Meet Rosa Brooks, the Obama administration's new adviser to Michelle Fluornoy, the undersecretary of defense for policy, a position described as one of the most influential in the Pentagon.
"I prefer to think of (my new position) as my personal government bailout," Brooks wrote in a departing piece at the Los Angeles Times, where she served as a regular columnist.
Brooks' new boss earlier this month briefed Congress on U.S. policy in Pakistan and Afghanistan, two countries for which she has enormous power concerning drafting future military doctrine.
"Brooks will wield an extraordinary degree of influence in helping shape U.S. policy. Her extreme views should therefore be closely scrutinized," wrote Nile Gardiner, a contributor to the London Telegraph's online blog.
Indeed, Brook's recent L.A. Times columns evidence views some may find concerning.
In 2007, she labeled al-Qaida as "little more than an obscure group of extremist thugs, well financed and intermittently lethal but relatively limited in their global and regional political pull. On 9/11, they got lucky. : Thanks to U.S. policies, al-Qaida has become the vast global threat the administration imagined it to be in 2001."
Also that year, she called the surge in Iraq a "feckless plan" that is "too little too late" with "no realistic likelihood that it will lead to an enduring solution in Iraq." The surge was widely credited with helping to stabilize Iraq. Brooks wrote Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney "should be treated like psychotics who need treatment. : Impeachment's not the solution to psychosis, no matter how flagrant." She also penned a column about Bush entitled "Our torturer-in-chief" in which she inferred attacks against the U.S. were a result of torture policies."Today, the chickens are coming home to roost," she fumed, but "the word 'accountability' isn't in the White House dictionary."In another column she referred to the regimes of Iran and North Korea as "foreign authoritarians," while calling the Bush administration a "homegrown" authoritarian regime.---cont'd.
April 21, 2009 at 7:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
from above---
In a column last month, Brooks claimed the Bush administration's Office of Legal Counsel arguments for prosecuting the war on terrorism were similar to tactics used by Hitler. According to Brooks: "How did such dangerously bad legal memos ever get taken seriously in the first place? One answer is suggested by the so-called Big Lie theory of political propaganda, articulated most infamously by Adolf Hitler. Ordinary people 'more readily fall victim to the big lie than the small lie,' wrote Hitler." Last week, FoxNews.com highlighted Brook's departing column in which she argued for more "direct government support for public media" and government licensing of the news. Wrote Brooks: "Years of foolish policies have left us with a choice: We can bail out journalism, using tax dollars and granting licenses in ways that encourage robust and independent reporting and commentary, or we can watch, wringing our hands, as more and more top journalists are laid off."
In response, L. Brent Bozell, president of the Media Research Center, countered, "The day that the government gets involved in the news media you see the end of the democratic process, because an independent news media is absolutely essential to the success of a democracy." Brooks is also a law professor at the Georgetown University Law Center, where she serves as director of Georgetown Law School's Human Rights Center. She previously served as special counsel to the president at Soros' Open Society Institute. She has consulted for Human Rights Watch and served as a board member of Amnesty International USA.
This type of thing is what those of us who were against Obama as President feared. The penetration of our most important institutions by those like Soros who are bent on a Global power grab. Our President has now let the enemy in the front door of our Pentagon!
April 21, 2009 at 7:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MrTaiChi (anonymous) says...
Seeuski,
Check this out:
www.exploresteamboat.com/news/2006/se...
April 21, 2009 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peace (anonymous) says...
Were I not such an evolved person I might say that seeuski seems to be learning all kinds of things from the internets and no doubt subscribes to most of the newsletters available from the right wing, white old men. An original thought might be nice but cannot be expected from a cut and pester. (sic) Good for him for trying.
Elections, as with wars, will no longer be won by just having the same old GOP base. Aged Anglo Saxon men in funny hats are not enough people to win an election let alone a war. The ever-growing population of the young or Asian or Hispanic or any other ever-expanding minority base with an interest in voting, and a history of doing so has rendered the GOP as low voiced eunuchs. They are currently stooping to sling mud, and jump to ridiculous assumption. KISS
Mathew is a quick wit and contributes thoughtful discourse. I disagree sometimes but not with so much vitriol. Why so much hate everywhere? This world needs a reminder in Grace in all its definitions.
April 21, 2009 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
housepoor (anonymous) says...
seeuski wrote: "This type of thing is what those of us who were against Obama as President feared." FEARED!! That pretty much sums up where he\she is coming from.
April 21, 2009 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
MrTai,
Thanks but I try to stay away from the personal attacks as you see from the 2 pointless posts above.
Mr peace,
How about Miss Ross's own LA Times story, will that be OK for you?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/c...
Or Wiki's definition of her, will that help?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Brooks
Or the foreign press's own view,
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/nile_gar...
All I am saying is this Woman is anti Pentagon for years and is now an inside agent. We are just that much more susceptible to the forces against us. Our new Administration is effectively neutering our security forces.
April 21, 2009 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
MrTai- What does my performing in The Rocky Horror Show (which, although a small venue in Oak Creek, sold out every night! Boo-ya!!) have to do with anything other than that I happen to fill out fishnet stockings quite well for a man? I saw you checking out the pics. You know one of those half-butt shots is me, right? LOL! Interesting that someone Googling my name would just happen to highlight that, considering their handle starts with "Mr." Someone's closet getting too crowded? Hmmmmm??? LOL! (Welcome back, btw.)
Another hypocrisy of the Far-Right:
"All I am saying is this Woman is anti Pentagon for years and is now an inside agent."
I remember a man...John Bolton, by name. Kinda went like this:
"On March 7, 2005 Bolton was nominated to the post of U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations by President George W. Bush. As a result of a Democratic filibuster, he was never confirmed by the Senate and thus never obtained the official title of Ambassador. Bolton's nomination received strong support from Republicans but faced heavy opposition from Democrats due initially to concerns about his strongly expressed views on the United Nations[43] and, later, alleged actions while at the State Department.[44]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._...
All I'm saying is what's wrong with putting a critic of something right in it's midst? Gander and goose.
Dang, Seeuski- you are as much fun as others in the past. I'm getting bored way too quickly anymore. Maybe widen the circle you keep travelling in; might make people forget you're just stuck on "Repeat." Maybe I'll have a nice cup of tea and just bag this, instead.
April 21, 2009 at 11:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MrTaiChi (anonymous) says...
@MS
Thought Seeuski might like to know something about you, like that you are involved in the arts.
Your implication that I was looking at your picture is mistaken. I haven't seen one, don't want to. It sounds like you'd welcome the attention, however. I had to look up "tea bagging" on the internet to find out what you and the other contributors found so amusing in the expression. Let me make a leap of conjecture, you didn't have to.
I feel soiled having communicated with you. It won't happen again
April 21, 2009 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
I see! And like all others who come in contact with me, they always feel the need to have to explain better why they posted what they did, in order to not be taken out of context. And thanks to verifying you didn't see the pics. That's how I knew exactly how you Googled my name, down to the spelling you used. Here's the pic- can you tell which one is me?
http://www.steamboatpilot.com/photos/...
I'm sure if Seeuski cared only about my personal life instead of my ideology, Seeuski would have Googled me him/herself and found exactly what you found- Steamboat Pilot references to either my postings or my theatrical work. You may have even seen links to my MySpace or Facebook ***snxxxssnnssxxx*** accounts! Make sure you look those up, too. You want to get the picture of me in my normal life privately, right? I'm also a Hockey Player, an author, and an MMA Fighter! Unfortunately, we have no use for TaiChi in the MMA Leagues. LOL!
And yes- I knew all about Tea Baggin' before Tax Day. I was lucky enough to receive & already read an advance copy of The Hobbit II: Revenge of The Forgotten Nephew!
April 21, 2009 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Matthew,
Whats wrong with Bolton? He was never a subversive anti American. Hes a tuff straight talkin guy. Oh yea, I forgot, you are now a touchy feely left winger so the feel good blame America tact is where you are at these days.
And all that because Bush took out Saddam after he took out the Taliban and never found the stockpiles of WMD.
Wounder where you would be in all this if we did find it?
April 21, 2009 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
Dang it! I wasn't gonna, but....
If you feel that soiled, maybe start purchasing Depends to wear when posting.
Ba-dump-bump!
April 21, 2009 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
Seeuski- IF we did find the WMDs? LMAO! And if you had a wheel, you'd be a wheelbarrow.
You can IF all you like. I'll stick with what actually happened. You'll notice most American history books are filled with what DID happen and not composed purely on the ramification of IF.
April 21, 2009 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Hey MrTai,
My goal in these crazy forums is to stand up to the anti American rhetoric that gets tossed around in here. It is a waste of time but I can't let the lies go unanswered and as it has been said previously, a lie told long enough becomes truth.
So I post the truth against the lies.
That is why my pal Matthew's response to my post asking him to provide evidence of his Bush lied propeganda was the 9/11 commissioners opinions and not the data.
When at least one of the commissioners has a deep bias, Jamie Goerlick, how that wouldn't taint a jury verdict is ludecrous.
So her opinion works for him, she should have been a witness not a commissioner. The sworn testimony of Clintons Iraq advisor, who actually spent years from the 1980's gathering data on Iraq and the Saddam Hussein regime, holds no sway because it does not fit the egenda.
"Bush lied and Saddam Hussein had no connection to Alqaida"
The banner statement of the left.
April 21, 2009 at 2:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Matthew,
You are awesome, you sucked on the bait big time.
So here is the evidence of the WMD and the Hussein weapons programs including nuclear and a brand new mig he buried in the desert. What else could he have hidden in the desert?
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsa...
http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/03RelatedSt...
I'll use the ABC report so you don't give me the FOX news garb.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/w...
April 21, 2009 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Plus the numerous other links above that were posted previously which proves that this discussion is a dead horse not much different than the OJ jury.
The glove didn't fit so they had to aquit. Baloney.
April 21, 2009 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
s_jroutt (anonymous) says...
Just a dumb question aren't we the country the "helps" evreyone out...We do need to help our country! Change takes time....no I didn't vote for him but, it's like the new oven takes sometime to figure out the buttons, don't over cook the roast the hubby will think you can't cook. You know we can't ask for anyone else's help because thats not us...thank you. We help nobody says thank you or @$&(## which we are used to we have boys dieing for things past presidents and people belive in and maybe we do need to be there but not in the numbers that we have now???
Just ranting sorry.
April 21, 2009 at 6:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flower (anonymous) says...
beentheredonethat are you using race as a crutch? where did that even come from?
April 21, 2009 at 9:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kielbasa (Matthew Stoddard) says...
Seeuski- Do you actually read the links you provide? I used to use these same links against a Far-Right whacko months ago, so this is old news...even your rb-29 link specifically states so.
From your own DefenseLink...link:
"The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.
While that's reassuring, the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. "We're talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect," he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s."
So that statement right there corraborates that they were indeed WMD chemicals...that couldn't be used in present form, but still could be used with repackaging. Here's the kicker from the same link:
" 'I do believe the former regime did a very poor job of accountability of munitions, and certainly did not document the destruction of munitions," he said. "The recovery program goes on, and I do not believe we have found all the weapons.' "
So...no real good accountability...may also mean Saddam may have even forgotten they were there. In fact, since that was report from 2006...3yrs after the start of the war, a numerous amount of smaller arms had also been found, but not under WMD classification. No other armaments found since qualify under WMD status so far.
Now the MiG25 Foxbat:
The MiG was found Summer 2003 buried in the sand. Seeuski's link is filled with old info on this find that was later mostly corrected. The MiG was a remnant of an aircraft order of about a dozen in 1979. Saddam quickly found during the Iran-Iraq War and in the 1991 Gulf War that British and U.S. Fighters and Interceptors were already outclassing the design and almost never used them after 1991. The "Advanced" design...wasn't anything we hadn't already seen. In fact again, only 2 MiG's were found and one was incomplete...didn't have wings that could be located.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-25#S...
It's not that you are lying, per se...you just aren't telling the whole truth. Sometimes, that can be just as bad. What's worse is that you are cherry-picking 1 or 2 lines (or 1 single person's testimony) that maybe you Googled and didn't read the whole article, since the conclusion of the articles you keep posting don't support what you are trying to get across completely. It's like saying you swam a marathon after only stepping in a puddle.
April 22, 2009 at 5:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peace (anonymous) says...
windle
You mean like a sofa-sleeper?
April 22, 2009 at 8:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exduffer (anonymous) says...
What happened to a lively discussion on the spending habits of our government(s)?
Oh and Obama is not the head of the government he is the head of one branch of it.
April 24, 2009 at 7:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seeuski (anonymous) says...
Matthew,
I can't read. I just look at the pictures and draw conclusions, then make things up like, Saddam Hussein was a terrorist supporter and in seeking revenge against the USA after the 1991 gulf war he engaged in covert activities which killed thousands of Americans and Israelis. He did this by being a state supporter, meaning he provided money and training, to other operatives who carried out attacks. He attempted to cover up his activities in many ways.
We are going to remain on opposite sides of this argument for different reasons. We both hate war but I will never give the benefit of the doubt, ignore evidence and defend our enemies for political reasons or other reasons. I will vote for the strongest defenders of the US Constitution and the US defense and would change back to a Democrat if required for those reasons.
Now that Bush is gone I am waiting to see how Obama's policies will effect the "change" that we are going through and what it will do to our future. I am scared for us, even you, that we are being changed to a defenseless, once great, oppolagetic paper tiger.
But that's just me, what the heck, I must be a far right whack.
Right?
May 7, 2009 at 6:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fredduckels (Fred Duckels) says...
Military operations are given a name, i.e. Desert Storm. With O and the ACLU going into Pakistan "Little Bo Peep" seems like a good description. Wait until the terrorists cry civilian casualties, and watch O beg for mercy. He is already sending Hamas about a billion to soothe their feelings. When will he stop falling for the bait?
May 12, 2009 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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