Lynn Abbott: Character question

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We need a president with great strength of character. Barack Obama is such a man. Last week, John McCain and Sarah Palin questioned his character. They do so unwisely, as his character is the driving force behind his success. This is a man who grew up without luxury, without privilege and without a father. He learned the value of hard work early in life, along with the value of using his own strong intellect to solve problems. He learned that cooperation, gentle persuasion, compromise and diplomacy can achieve far greater results than combative belligerence. Integrity has been a hallmark of his life choices. As a young lawyer, he could have commanded a six-figure salary at a prestigious law firm but chose instead to work to improve the lives of people in Chicago's down-trodden communities. He has championed justice and fair play during his life.

Barack Obama has the talent to inspire the rest of us. He has ignited a passion for peace and fairness across this land. He calls on us to consider the less fortunate and to care for each other. Even in these difficult economic times, we will find - with his leadership - ways to work for the common good. People who never have been politically active before are knocking on doors and spreading the word that they share his vision of a new day for America. This will not end with the election. I have confidence that we will continue to work together to make this vision a reality once he is president.

For some, race is an issue in this election. Racial bigotry is an emotion that defies rational persuasion. We know there still are remnants of racism, but times are changing. Most of us, especially our young people, take for granted the opportunity to work and study with every skin color under the sun. Obama deliberately has chosen to go into neighborhoods where racism may be a concern, and because of his straight-forward and honest approach, many people are coming around. For me, his election will be a symbol that we Americans are turning away from racism; that we affirm to the world that we truly can live and work together. And I will feel very proud.

For me, the strongest character trait in Barack Obama is his global vision. Having lived and traveled around the world, he sees the big picture. He knows the U.S. cannot "go it alone" ever again. With him at the helm, the days of shock-and-awe, pit-bull mentality will be over. Instead, we will see a deliberative, diplomatic approach to solving problems, not creating them. This world needs leaders who work together for the common good of the planet. Everything in Barack Obama's history has prepared him for this moment. His faith, his love for America and his commitment to the global community will enable him to lead us all toward nuclear nonproliferation, toward peaceful solutions wherever possible and toward careful and deliberate military solutions when absolutely necessary. The leaders of many nations are eager to begin working with him toward this new day.

So the question of Barack Obama's character is not a question - much as John McCain and Sarah Palin would like it to be. Hard work, intellect, integrity, leadership, care for the less fortunate and the ability to inspire - to me, these define character. Barack Obama has it.

Lynn Abbott

Steamboat Springs

Comments

Stan Zuber 6 years ago

Very well said. It really is time for a change and a new direction!

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Lynn Abbott 6 years ago

Fred: Interesting that you mention foxes. In my view, the deregulation foxes have been eating the chickens for 8 years and replacing them with greedy bundlers and securitizers. I'm not worried about bringing a few rules back to the lending process. Little details like ensuring a prospective borrower can put money down and can show probability of making monthly payments. No more ARM's either. I have confidence that an Obama administration will appoint regulators with integrity to this and many other agencies that have relied on foxes for too long.

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Fred Duckels 6 years ago

Lynn: Obama may be the messiah that you describe but lets look the fact that he was very near the epicenter of the sub prime fiasco. He was second behind Chris Dodd in taking money, from Fannie Freddie in spite of his two year senate stint. He gives Acorn and cronies $800,000+ out of his campaign. His social engineering tendencies blend right in with the lefties who blocked oversight by McCain and the Republicans. The jury is out on how much damage will have been wreaked, but electing this rookie will only be putting the foxes in charge of the chicken coop. Do you really think that this saintly man has the character to investigate his own?

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Ed Miklus 6 years ago

Acorn, Alinsky, al-Mansour, Ayers.....gee and we're only in the "A's." Then we move down the alphabet to Pfleger, Resko, and Wright....yep we need a man with great strengrh of character in the Whitehouse and as leader of the free world but who is it??

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Fred Duckels 6 years ago

The left clings to the derugulation argument but they certainly didn't want any part of it as far as Freddie and Fanny were concerned. Their argument was "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Obama will have no part in investigating his own but both McCain and Palin have already proven themselves. Of the three Obama has the least experience, he also refuses to comment on Acorns antics, which are an embarasment to anyone above a single digit IQ.

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Ed Miklus 6 years ago

The Community Reinvestment Act begun under the Carter Administration ,with good intentions, then strengthened in the Clinton administration morphed into the monster that almost colapsed the American economy. Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are at the heart of the morphing along with Franklin Raines, Obama's economic advisor. Dodd and Obama topped the list of politicians receiving contributions from Fannie & Freddie. If anyone thinks that an Obama, Pelosi, Reid administration will investigate their own, they would be living in the Land of Oz. And finally, if I'm stranded in the Zirkel or chosing a president, I'll go with a war hero, fighter pilot, military academy graduate over a "community organizer" anytime.

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Fred Duckels 6 years ago

A economist whose name escapes me had a theory that our system would only last about two hundred years. The left can't wait for this new world order. Socialism here we come, the freeloaders and their subprime voters seem to be tipping the balance. Diplomacy will be king!

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Duke_bets 6 years ago

Fred - Explain how Palin has more experience than Obama as you stated. And, your single digit IQ comment does not embarrass McCain / Palin. That's for sure!

Your comments on Obama sound identical to a current TV ad running. Glad to hear the Tevo works.

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Jonathan Casson 6 years ago

Here are the facts on the Obama-Acorn situation:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/16/fact-check-was-doing-legal-work-obamas-only-involvement-with-acorn/

Most of you probably received a flyer in the mail from the McCain campaign stating "With Wall Street in Crisis, Obama partied with Hollywood's elite". That flyer quoted an article from the Washington Post and a Good Morning, America broadcast. Here are links to the full Post article and the entire GMA segment.

The quote in the flyer states: "Obama aides say he did not make any calls to help round up votes." GMA 9/30/08

Read the full article and the above quote in context. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/obama-pushes-re.html

There's another quote from the Washington Post implying that Obama neglected the economic crisis. Here is a link to the full Washington Post article as well. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/20/AR2008092002222.html

Inform yourself.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Hey Fred- Here's an article about the 2005 Freddie/Fannie bill you might just find funny, considering the article and where I found it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,440681,00.html

"In the midst of DCI's yearlong effort, Hagel and 25 other Republican senators pleaded unsuccessfully with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to allow a vote.

'If effective regulatory reform legislation ... is not enacted this year, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole," the senators wrote in a letter that proved prescient.' "

Sounds like Frist didn't let it come to a vote...not Democrats.

Bummer for McCainiacs.

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Duke_bets 6 years ago

Fred - What does that 'R' stand for behind Frist?

Which party was in control of the Senate for the majority of the last decade? Which party controlled the White House during the last 8 years? When did real estate values explode and brokers go wild with crazy loans?

Republican, Republican, and the last 5 years are the answers.

What are your thoughts on Colin Powell? My guess is that you agreed with every word out of his mouth in the last 20 years. How about now?

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Ed Miklus 6 years ago

Hey, a bonus when you vote for Obama, an international crisis to test his mettle. Wow, good for me and my family's safety! Is that guy Biden a Republican plant???

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JLM 6 years ago

Colin Powell has been and is a great American patriot. His endorsement of BO is a great coup. He would be a welcome addition to any administration. It is difficult for a serious person to minimize his endorsement of BO. He is entitled to that privilege --- he has certainly earned it.

While there are many who will note his ethnicity, the excess baggage of his Bush administration termination, his odd comment in regard to the appointment of Supreme Court Justices and his obvious disagreement with BO's failure to embrace the "Powell Doctrine", his endorsement is given with comments which are worthy of careful consideration.

In today's Army Times, a poll was published that favored McCain by 68% to 23% among active duty soldiers. That speaks of whom the Army would prefer as its Commander in Chief. It certainly should give one pause to ponder what the active duty military thinks of the candidates' plans for Iraq.

If at some future date, we manage to disaffect the Volunteer Army (a fairly new experiment in our democracy, really), we need to recognize the necessity of re-inistituting the draft.

I also note the endorsement of McCain by 4 Secretaries of State including Henry Kissinger and James Baker --- two of my personal favorites.

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seeuski 6 years ago

OK, I have googled Stoll Palin. If you are an Obamanite you will love this stuff. But interestingly I found this on one of the lefty sites that popped up.

"Who is radical? In June sources released information that during his campaign for the State Senate in Illinois, Barack Obama was endorsed by an organization known as the Chicago "New Party". The 'New Party' was a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards. The admittedly Socialist Organization experienced a moderate rise in numbers between 1995 and 1999. By 1999, however, the Socialist 'New Party' was essentially defunct after losing a supreme court challenge that ruled the organizations "fusion" reform platform as unconstitutional.

After allegations surfaced in early summer over the 'New Party's' endorsement of Obama, the Obama campaign along with the remnants of the New Party and Democratic Socialists of America claimed that Obama was never a member of either organization. The DSA and 'New Party' then systematically attempted to cover up any ties between Obama and the Socialist Organizations. However, it now appears that Barack Obama was indeed a certified and acknowledged member of the DSA's New Party."

You guys want to smear Palin well you are in the proverbial glass house with Obama. There are so many untoward associations for us to send back at you that are real so stand by.

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knee_dropper 6 years ago

When were you actually a Democrat Seeu? More to the point who friggin cares what you or Matt were or are. I believe that Matt has stated he's voting for a third party candidate, so that precludes him from loving Obama .
"But why go puke on Reagan," thanks for the laugh seeu.

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seeuski 6 years ago

New audio of Bill Ayers on the radio in California in 2002 proclaiming his marxist/anarchist beliefs and his approval of the terrorism he was involved in as a member of the Weathermen. This radio interview was conducted one week before he and Obama were at a Woods Foundation board meeting jointly.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Seeuski- Did you hear that Ayers tape just now, or in 2002?

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seeuski 6 years ago

Oh, lets have a look at Joe Biden's brain scans. Considering his erratic behavior and the fact that he has had brain surgery for 2 aneurysms and he will be the brains behind Obama's foreign policy and the one with the experience. Come on Biden, what you hiden!

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seeuski 6 years ago

Matthew, Why would I hear the tape in 2002 if it was a live air broadcast at a University in California. The point here is that Obama has claimed ignorance about this subhumans beliefs and has also stated: 1. He is just a guy in the neighborhood. 2. I was 8 years old when he did those things. 3. I thought he had been rehabilitated. 4. We were only on a board together.

Every association that Obama has now or has had in the past is explained away in this same fashion.

1.Wright- I never heard him say those things. 2.Muhammad Kahlidi(PLO member who was Obama's Islamic relations adviser during the primaries)-I didn't know he was involved with them. 3.Franklyn Raines(ex CEO of Fannie Mae who stole $90million in 6 years and is an adviser to Obama)-He was never an adviser to me. 4. Big Democrat Jim Johnson, recently on Obama's VP search committee, has hauled in millions from his Fannie Mae CEO job.-Duh. 5.ACORN(Who has received an illegal $832,000 payment from Obama and is under FBI investigation for voter fraud)-I did some community organizing for them many years ago. 6.Raila Odinga(Iron fisted Prime Minister of Kenya and cousin of Obama who lost the election last year even after Obama, on taxpayer dollars, went and Campaigned for him).-Response yet to come. Etc.Etc.Etc.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

1) When was the last time you saw Obama and Ayers together, espousing the same beliefs on...anything?

2) How many friends of yours currently did stuff when you were 8yrs old that you don't agree with or was illegal to some extent? Have you checked all their backgrounds?

3) When was the last time Ayers has been arrested for committing terrorism or for breaking the law in some egregious manner?

4) What more than being on a board together can you specifically name- that Obama supported a book in 1997 that Ayers wrote? Did that book actually have anything to do with espousing terrorism or was it a book on raising children? How was that book offensive?

As for the rest, again- how has any of this past stuff hurt you or me at this time in our lives? (Oh- and McCain's advisor was still getting money from the Macs until a couple of months ago. I guess that doesn't bother people as much since it was McCain.)

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Biden seems to have been given a clean bill of health...at least as much as McCancer. LOL! And Reagan's Alzheimers was starting to show before he left office. (Remember the classic scene at one of his press conferences where Nancy Reagan actually answered a reporters question instead of repeating it to Ronnie so he could answer. Even if he hadn't heard the question, she shouldn't have answered for him.)

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seeuski 6 years ago

You are obviously comfortable with Obama so much so that no matter how much reality is thrown your way you are willing to turn the other cheek. Well I am not, I can see what will be reality if Obama is elected and that is all of these skeletons, Wright, Farrakhan, Ayers, etc.etc. will have an ear in the White House and influence on policy, which I don't trust Obama with anyway. And no, I do not maintain friendships with known felons, and Ayers is an admitted terrorist and he is not rehabilitated as Obama said recently. The President of the USA should always be properly vetted and that is why Phillip Berg has a pending lawsuit against Obama to produce a vaulted copy of his birth certificate. Oh, and please don't bother quoting factcheck because we now know that they are owned by the Annenberg group who is behind ACORN. Factcheck is bogus.

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Duke_bets 6 years ago

68 to 23 among active duty soldiers pick McCain...............Really? Tell us something above a 3rd grade intellect.

Thank God Bush hasn't declared war on every foreign country or there would be more active soldiers to vote Republican.

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seeuski 6 years ago

Gees tell us what you really think duke.

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seeuski 6 years ago

Matthew, Are you seriously saying that ACORN is registering Republican voters. HA HA HA HA HA . Too funny.

Rest assured, your vote for Obama will be counted and counted and counted...........

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Not once have I ever endorsed Obama over McCain. Both have their problems and I'm voting 3rd Party this year, instead of Republican. I've only voted non-GOP for Pres once and this year will be twice.

And quoting a military poll on who they would endorse is probably in direct opposition to a poll of Labor Union workers. It's cherry-picking. Almost every national poll has Obama up by almost 10pts.

As for vetting, maybe McCain should have done better on his running mate with that, considering the pork her state has been getting per capita. He should have also vetted her better in her little squabble with law enforcement...or her hubby, who was so much more proud of his country compared to Michelle Obama that he was in a politcal party that wanted Alaska to secede.

Ghosts in every closet, if you ask me.

And what in FactCheck.org can you dispute as being biased?

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seeuski 6 years ago

Plenty can be disputed but none would be believed by those resistant to the facts.

I did not have any reason to feel this way until a few days ago when the truth about factcheck and who owns it came out. Annenberg which is the same as ACORN. So how can factcheck be non biased? But I am putting a link here to a site that did a scientific review of Obama's birth certificates, apparently the one that was posted on Obama's site and the purported copy made of it by factcheck don't even match each other.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

The lawsuit by Phillip Berg is pretty interesting as to why would Obama not answer the suit by producing his birth certificate?

http://obamacrimes.com/

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Wasn't Annenberg a hallowed Republican? LOL! Now- all the fraud perpetrated...can those be attributed to being future Dem or Republican voters?

and quoting Phillip Berg is like quoting Dan Quayle on spelling issues or Bush/Palin on how to pronounce types of energy sources

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seeuski 6 years ago

You will have to provide me with some evidence of the Palin's so called anti American beliefs and the few pieces of junk reports by salon won't do it. As for Governor Palin and the bad cop, I can't believe that anyone would not act in the same or a more aggressive manor to get his badge for what he did and at least for what he admitted doing. The cop has a record of trouble, but most of all as the chief Executive of the state of Alaska Sarah Palin should not have had to work to get the guy fired once he threatened the family of the Governor with death. The cop still has his badge and that is a travesty. If I were Todd and the cop threatened to kill my father in law after having tased his 10 year old EX step son, well I can condone his efforts. Yes.

Please provide something to prove that Todd Palin ever held anti American beliefs. I work on the mountain and I can tell you a lot of lefty's out there hate America but I have seen no evidence of such feelings from the Palin's. Sorry.

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seeuski 6 years ago

"and quoting Phillip Berg is like quoting Dan Quayle on spelling issues or Bush/Palin on how to pronounce types of energy sources"

What? Phillip Berg is a Democrat and a lawyer and a former Attorney General. Again, what?

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Yeah, he's also the guy who "popularized" Kabbalah for those looking for something other than Scientology. I guess there's also some dispute over what exact Doctorate he has?

"[edit] Credentials Philip Berg claims to have a doctorate, and many of his books are listed as being by "Dr." Berg. However, in different interviews he has offered different explanations of what type of Ph.D. he earned. He claimed to have a Ph.D. in comparative religion, at another time he claimed to have a Ph.D. in jurisprudence (in biblical law), and later claimed that his Ph.D. was given as part of receiving semicha, traditional rabbinic ordination.[citation needed], but Semicha programs - especially Israeli Orthodox ones - are never given together with a PhD. He has never shown his Ph.D. to investigative reporters, and refuses to name the organization that gave him the Ph.D. Much of his kabbalistic knowledge and teaching is allegedly derived from his Orthodox background, but neither he nor the Kabbalah Centre are known to be affiliated to, or recognized by any Orthodox rabbinical organizations.

Berg used to call his center "Yeshiva Kol Yehuda," and claimed that it was affiliated with a genuine Orthodox Jewish yeshiva, Yeshiva Kol Yehuda, in Jerusalem, Israel. The yeshiva in Israel was founded in 1922 by Rabbi Yehuda Ashlag, and later led by Rabbi Yehuda Tzvi Brandwein. Berg claimed to be a student of Rabbi Brandwein, and alleges that he received rabbinical ordination at this yeshiva. However, investigative journalists have interviewed this yeshiva.[citation needed] They deny any relationship between his group and theirs. They also deny Berg received rabbinical ordination there, but confirm he studied Kabbalah with Brandwein.

For unknown reasons, Rabbi Berg has recently shunned his first name (Philip), noticeably in most of the Kabbalah Centre's publications, and instead has adopted the formula "Rav" Berg as if it were his real name. "Rav" has a higher connotation than the word "Rabbi", in a fashion similar to the term Rebbe. In recent times, as a sign of respect, some great rabbis are simply called "The Rav". If this is Philip Berg's intention, he could possibly be the subject of criticism for appointing himself to the title."

I guess Berg hasn't been fully vetted, either.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

And Todd Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, which advocated secession from the USA. Palin spoke at one of their rallies. "Guilt by Association," right?

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seeuski 6 years ago

You are awesome, you have come to the aid of Obama again by shooting the messenger. What does the question of Berg's Kabbalah have to do with the lawsuit filed against Obama to produce a vaulted version of his birth certificate? Is Berg not an Attorney? You seem comfy with character assassinations like you have attempted with the Palin's.

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seeuski 6 years ago

What do you understand the AIP to stand for and what these people want other than secession? I am listening to a recorded interview by the leader of the party, it is rather interesting. I am going to try and find what truth there may be to be found about Todd's beliefs as it relates to AIP.

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seeuski 6 years ago

I do find it odd that this AIP group is not endorsing McCain/Palin. If Todd is a member why would they endorse some unknown?

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seeuski 6 years ago

One more thing, I feel a whole lot more comfortable with what the leader, Lynette Clark, has to say then what the terrorist Bill Ayers says and did and condones.

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seeuski 6 years ago

Biden has withheld his brain scans from the release of his medical records. I know you love Obama/Biden but why go and puke on Reagan? When were you a Republican? Sure.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

"You seem comfy with character assassinations like you have attempted with the Palin's."

You mean like "palling around with terrorists," "Obama is not a Christian or natural-born American," or "Obama will rewrite the Constitution?" Those types of things that get said without proof or with known intent to distort?

"I do find it odd that this AIP group is not endorsing McCain/Palin."

I don't. He left that party in 2000 and joined the Republican party when his wife ran for Lt. Governor of Alaska in 2002. Some people- just like Green Party-ers end up voting Democrat and Libertarians that vote Republican- don't just vote based on electibility, but they may just tend to vote party lines and nothing but.

"One more thing, I feel a whole lot more comfortable with what the leader, Lynette Clark, has to say then what the terrorist Bill Ayers says and did and condones."

And the Weather Underground believed their intentions were righteous, even if the actions were wrong. To me and others, that sounds like Iraq, McCain campainging like Bush did against him in 2000, and the 2005 Senate Bill that couldn't get past it's own majority of Congress.

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seeuski 6 years ago

I am not comfortable with the positions of the AIP but they advocate peaceful dialog not bombings and murder so I don't quite get your condoning point of view as it relates to Ayers. Ayers would be in prison still today if the case wasn't thrown out on a technicality. Ayers is an admitted Anarchist/Marxist/Terrorist. Not my cup of tea. The folks that are involved with AIP are not criminals, just admittedly aging hippies and Natives of Alaska same as Native Americans. It seems to me their main goal is to have state rights like the lower 48 through a vote that was supposedly a part of the Alaska purchase agreement. If they can't then their desire is independence.
I have seen zero evidence from those of you advocating the Obama attacks that Todd or Sarah Palin, who was born in the mid west USA, hold the same feelings as the acting members of the group. I don't hear you mentioning Obama's connections with ACORN, a group that is operating on taxpayer money and received an $832,000 payment from Obama to literally buy the Presidency through voter fraud. Go FBI go. I went to vote yesterday and a lot of us are hopping mad and I am sure this is resonating around the Country. Obama's silence on this group speaks volumes the same as his silence on his birth certificate.

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

My analogy to AIP is a group that wants nothing to do with being a part of the USA; you remember the whole Michelle Obama "for the 1st time I'm proud of my country" brou-ha, right? It's also an analogy for the people who seem to think (with no proof) that Obama is guilty of subterfuge by association in an extremely limited way with Ayers. If Obama can be held accountable for that relationship (even though we have (to paraphrase your own words)-

"zero evidence from those of you advocating the Ayers-Obama past, who was born in the USA (by all present proof available), that Obama holds the same feelings as Ayers.)

As for Obama being born in Kenya, that then becomes an issue on what is considered a natural born citizen, which is still open to interpretation in the Constitution. Remember- his mother was still a US citizen, even if he was (which I doubt) born in Kenya and not Honolulu. (McCain was born in the Canal Zone in Panama, 1yr before a law retroactively made those people citizens...but it doesn't say "natural born citizens" or defines that.)

And as I put (I think in the other thread), for all those ACORN multiple sign-ups...where they registered all Dem or GOP or a mixture? Maybe this might fall onto both parties, no matter who is signing them up?

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seeuski 6 years ago

playa,

I don't like or trust Obama and the world wide recession that we have now is a direct result of years of Democrats bedding down with Fannie/Freddie. Under direct pressure from the Obama election group ACORN, with their strong arm tactics, mortgage lending underwriting requirements were nonexistent. Anyone that wants to argue or defend the Democrats please be my guest there is written, video and audio evidence to support how this mess came about. Even President Clinton made the same statements a couple of weeks ago. To those of you who are voting for change, the free cheese you are being promised will never arrive. The cheese you get will stink so much that you will gag on it. We have historical proof that Obama's welfare plans will bring: 1. 20% unemployment. 2. double digit interest rates. 3. gas rationing(opec will cut production and just met on that topic). 4. stagnation/inflation. 5. an International crisis as promised by Joe Biden. 6. Constitutional changes to gun rights. 7. a return to a reduction in defense spending that will cripple our ability to provide an adequate deterrence from future attack and the ability to protect our interests here and worldwide. 8. a long period of doom and gloom.

This was a snapshot of the Carter years.

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seeuski 6 years ago

JLM, I think there is a real Joe Biden that keeps trying to speak up and warn us. His statement to the crowd the other day may have been prophetic in that he said" you will have to be patient with Obama because his response may not be what you expect" something to that effect. I absolutely believe that is a warning to Israel not to depend on the Obama administration for support. I posted on this site a couple of days ago when the Biden flap first came out that both Presidential campaigns received a security update last week as reported in the news and then Biden blurbs this. Who is the big player of late? Amidenijad. An hour after my post a news article from London quoted an Iranian Ambassador as saying Iran was contemplating a preemptive strike on Israel. BINGO. I believe that was where Biden was coming from.

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playa46 6 years ago

Okay seeuski, lets talk about brainscans for McCain and Palin

McCain- Graduated almost at the bottom of his class. Supports Bush on the War, which drains our funds compeletly. Crashes planes in a blink of an eye.

Palin- Lived in a town smaller than steamboat, was a beauty queen and sportscaster. Uses colorful vocabulary like "GOLLY, GEE, DANGNABIT".

What I simply find funny, is how you think that Biden is an idiot, yet he is the only VP who can actually ANSWER QUESTIONS!!!!! I also love how you laugh at Obama's lack of experience and speeches, but you applaud when the Republican's use a referance to a PLUMBER as their argument.

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JLM 6 years ago

While there are many, many things about which to debate in this election, the fact that Joe Biden is an idiot is NOT one of them. LOL

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playa46 6 years ago

Obama is not Carter for your information seeuski.

Wanna know why? He has ideas that actually benefiet our economy. John McCain wants to keep fighting a war that is destroying what keep this country going, the flow of money. The Bush administration poured our money into wasteful spending, like the war. McCain believes in that 90% of the time.

JLM- Biden is the idiot? HA. If McCain is not able to serve, you would put your trust in someone that has no idea what the term "economics" means. You guessed it, I'm talking about 'cuda!! I am pretty sure that you know what I will start taking about on the subject of Palin, so I won't try to explain again. And ya know what else? Biden can answer questions!

I would like to see some factual info on your posts instead of just saying Republican ideals of the other party, remember, at least try to stay open minded. -Peace

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Matthew Stoddard 6 years ago

Hey Fred- "In my opinion the reason was oil and that was the all that was necessary."

Russia's got oil, too. Should that be reason enough to go after them, now? Russia's returning to the Evil Empire ways, from the look, right? We could head down to Venezuela at the same time! Don't forget Canada- that should be as easy as McCain said Iraq would be. "Get'em!"

That line of thinking is megalomaniacal, in my opinion. Just how many wars would you have us in at the same time? No wonder other countries aren't as supportive of the USA any longer.

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JLM 6 years ago

Obama is a socialist --- no big revelation as he is the most liberal member of the Senate and is running with guess who #3 most liberal Senator --- in the mold of Karl Marx's observation that socialism is the necessary way station between capitalism and communism.

Look at his "redistribution" commentary and his Global Poverty Initiative --- these are Obama's words not mine. He wants to take our money, run it through the government beauracracy (whereby dollars become worth $0.68) and redistribute it to those he deems "worthy" beneficiaries of your work. Kind of like the idea of sharing a bit of your 3.9 GPA with another student who is a bit of a slacker and who has only a 2.1 GPA.

If you buy the pablum of McCain voting with Bush 90% of the time, you then self identify yourself as the kind of moron who is necessary for such simplistic propoganda to work --- because many of the "votes" which are offered are such as the resolution honoring "Guam Independence Day" and procedural votes. This is the kind of drivel that professional campaign managers package for intravenous feeding to indiscriminating idiots.

You are obviously not old enough to understand that the entire Obama program is a set of worn and predictable liberal shibboleths which appear from the mist every so often to the amazement of the uninformed, the gullible and the naive. Unfortunately, like a "chicken in every pot" they ultimately fail to actually be enacted. Exhibit --- Hillary Clinton's wonderful universal healthcare program.

What is real is the threat of terrorism in the world and that the new President, as Commander in Chief, will be the only force standing on the ramparts safeguarding us from the bloody reality that people in the world desire to dismantle our freedoms and to kill our women, children and men. For the last 7 1/2 years the Bush administration has successfully safeguarded us --- might this be a policy which is worth continuing or would you rather cut our defense spending by 25% and hope that ACORN has a paramilitary capability?

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seeuski 6 years ago

For the record I am fully confident that Joe Biden, after 2 open scull brain surgeries, is in full control of his foreign policy. In 6 months we are going to war and you wont know why he chose his response but please have sympathy because he is thinking. Yea I guess I trust Palin way more than old crazy Joe. Mr. Delaware credit card pusher. It was Joe Biden who changed the bankruptcy laws in favor of the Delaware banks so people couldn't protect their homes under it. Even Obama mentioned it this week.
Botox Joe Biden

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playa46 6 years ago

You're right JLM-

Obviously becuase I am younger than you, and that I haven't chosen a party (unlike you) and I stay open minded and consider all options I am therefore unfit to understand how this country works.

Why does knowing that McCain has sided with Bush 90% of the time make me the moron? Am I a moron becuase I disagree with a pointless war we have already "won"? Am I a moron becuase I actually like to think where this country will go with decisions rather than simple using your gut feeling and deciding then and now, like you do JLM? You see, JLM, you simply don't see the change that this country needs in order to thrive, like most young Coloradans like me. So, when you call me a moron when I know that McCain will keep Bush's policies for 90%, which I continue to repeat: have sucked our money away which is why we are in decline, you sir, are a moron. Stop hugging that Republican flag, come down and actually THINK.

So Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan failed? If you haven't noticed, Clinton and Obama disagree on A..LOT..OF..THINGS.. Obama presents us with a plan that keeps us out of debt and gives poeple good healthcare. When you people call Obama's ideas simply "spreading the wealth around" you think it is just fine to simply continue loosing money and pretend everything is just fine. Once again, we see McCain looking like another Bush, which we can't afford.

You said a few words that have come out of Obama's mouth, now I wan't you to hear some come out of McCain's.

We've heard McCain say that his healthcare plan will be costly. Just another Republican I say, he says he will change and says he wants to favor both Dems. and Reps., really?

Last thing, when McCain was selected to be the Rep. nominee, he went to Bush to get a blessing.

GO AND VOTE!!!! DO YOUR DUTY MAN!

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seeuski 6 years ago

Here is what you are voting for. Pork spending and defense cutting. Deja vu all over again.

NEW BEDFORD - After the November election, Democrats will push for a second economic stimulus package that includes money for the states' stalled infrastructure projects, along with help paying for healthcare expenses, food stamps and extended unemployment benefits, U.S. Rep. Barney Frank said Thursday.

In a meeting with the editorial board of The Standard-Times, Rep. Frank, D-Mass., also called for a 25 percent cut in military spending, saying the Pentagon has to start choosing from its many weapons programs, and that upper-income taxpayers are going to see an increase in what they are asked to pay.

The military cuts also mean getting out of Iraq sooner, he said.

"The people of Iraq want us out, and we want to stay over their objection," he said. "It's extraordinary." The Maliki government in Iraq "can't sell (the withdrawal deal with the U.S.) because it sounds like we're going to stay too long."

"I was teasing (U.S. Rep.) Jack Murtha (a key supporter of military budgets) and I said to him, 'For the first time, somebody else has got a bill that's almost as big as yours.' We don't need all these fancy new weapons. I think there needs to be additional review."

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081024/NEWS/810240332/-1/NEWS10

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JLM 6 years ago

It is way too obvious to note that Sarah Palin is the ONLY candidate in this race who has any real executive experience.

And, frankly, her executive experience is pretty damn good.

She tangled with the Alaska Republican establishment and hog tied the whole bunch of them while getting a huge pipeline deal approved which had eluded the good old boys for 40 years.

I know it is not fashionable (and I guess way racist, eh, LOL) to note that BO was a freakin' community organizer --- but really that was his formative experience, followed by a stint as a part time legal professor, a "present" voting State Senator and a 143-day Senator.

And this rube wants to question anybody's experience? LOL

The really funny thing is that perhaps Sarah Palin is the most qualified candidate among the whole lot. Sweet irony, you are a heartless old hag!

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seeuski 6 years ago

Hey playa, You should limit your posts. It is showing mon. Try again tomorrow.

psssst.

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knee_dropper 6 years ago

Maybe it's time for the GOP to try and find a new Obama "crysis" of the week to deflect attention away from the real issues. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6049529 When all else fails, try and make people fear for their lives, loved ones and country if they vote the wrong way. It may have tilted the election last time, but hopefully people can see through the bull this go around. I believe that some of the posters here fear more for their pocketbooks than the greater good of the country. What is being called socialism is more like bringing our country closer to the rest of the first world in helping the most downtrodden among us a hand up. The tax structure that Obama is proposing is going to be closer to what Clinton's was; the only people paying more in taxes are those that make over a quarter million a year, the rest get a tax break under Obama's plan. You can go to this website and see for yourself what you'd get back from Obama. http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/ Get out the vote! BTW, Obama's going to be at Colorado State this Sunday, looking forward to seeing him speak for myself.

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JLM 6 years ago

Perhaps the oddest thing in this election is the wholesale ignorance of the voters who think that any campaign promise is going to survive the "bailout" funding. Do you really think anybody is getting a tax cut of any kind?

It might be worthwhile to reflect upon Clinton's promised middle class tax cut which morphed into a middle class tax increase.

Oh, he apoligized for it later --- he was damn good at apologizing, wasn't he?

Obama has promised the entire litany of tired and well worn liberal voting lures --- all with the same likely outcomes.

A slice of the uninformed and naive electorate has lined up --- aided and abetted by the liberal media --- with its beer goggles cemented to its eye sockets.

BO is a corrupt naif, fakir and poseur who seeks to leverage his liberal tendencies into a socialist system aided by the likes of a San Francisco liberal and a Nevada con man.

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Fred Duckels 6 years ago

Matt and other lefties: I constantly hear the Iraq war being described as a huge mistake. I was in favor of going in like many were. I did not like the reasons given. In my opinion the reason was oil and that was the all that was necessary. The fundamentalists would have loved to topple the Saudis, shut off the oil supply and send the world into chaos. A heavy hand was needed and as usual we find that in taking care of business most of our "friends" had to take the kids to T-ball. W was left high and dry. If W had let this happen every lefty would have a good reason to take his scalp. But in the meantime you will have to be contented with WMD's.

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knee_dropper 6 years ago

WMDs, are you speaking of the WMD that were ...... never found? Still hanging on to that one I see. Perhaps you forgot Fred that the vast majority of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and great chunk of their funding came from that country. Perhaps George W. was confused about which country to invade and install a western government in Iran or Saudi Arabia and shot for the middle. LOL JLM, you continue your slew of posts full of name calling and vague threats. So tell us that aren't millionaires, why should we vote for John McCain? I understand why some people that make over a quarter million a year don't want to pay more in taxes, but what about everybody that doesn't make that much? What economic proposals does he have on the table that will stop the backslide in wages and benefits that the middle class has seen in the past eight years?

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playa46 6 years ago

Fred-

The reason why lefties like to call on the Iraq war, is because to lots of them, it felt like we went in without being informed why. The WMD's are a perfect example. Another reason is we went to find Bin Ladin, we still haven't found him and not only is our money being wasted, we decided to invade Iraq and then oil became a big problem, you see why so many of us want us to leave? Remember in vietnam? People stopped trusting the government becuase they didn't know what they were fighting for.

Seeuski-

What is showing? My flashes of GENUIS?? Just kidding. But still, I don't know what you are talking about, are you mad becuase I am posting comments?

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seeuski 6 years ago

Good Morning playa and the playmates.

I guess none of you were witness to the events as they unfolded in 2003 leading up to the invasion. You missed UN resolution 1441 which gave Saddam another chance and an additional 9 months to allow the weapons inspectors unfettered access to the suspect sites, I knew one of the lead inspectors and all that it implies, and Saddam refused. We have several foreign intelligence services who have provided satellite data showing truck movement from several WMD storage sites into the Bekaa Valley for burial. Plenty of illegal WMD's were found in Iraq after the invasion. http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/30/AR2006063001528.html http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/03RelatedStories/03.09relcontinfo/09.37.NwsfmIrq.htm

If we went to Iraq for oil as the left trumpeted forever, why the heck are we competing for oil in the open world market like everyone else? That theory is dead dead dead.

We did not go to Iraq to find Bin Laden, we went to get the head of the snake who was a silent partner with Al Quaida and the inteligence reports were supported by several leading Countries intel including France, Germany, Italy, Israel the Czech Republic and our own services. We new about the terrorist training camp Salmon Pak through Iraqi's who were there and came over to our side prewar. We received a load of intel from Saddam's Son in law who defected to Jordan and was interrogated by the West and was killed by Saddam after being lured back to Iraq. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp

I understand those of you who poo poo all of the reality and facts because you are against the Bush war. I think it would be a whole other story if it was Clinton's war as it should have been in 1994.

As far as the Saudi connections spoken by Matthew, there is documented proof that in the 1991 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, a vacation playground for many young Saudi's during those times, that hundreds of Saudi and other Arabs went missing never to be seen again. There are investigations that show that many identities were used by the actors in many terrorist actions including the 1st WTC bombing. This was a well planned tactic by the Iraqi secret service for future planned attacks and the desire to throw off the identities of the real perpetrators(Sunni's from Belugistan) http://cejsh.icm.edu.pl/cejsh/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?06HUAAAA00862073 and direct it towards our ally in the 1st gulf war, Saudi Arabia. Now I am no lover of the Saudis and would never defend them but this makes so much sense because Saddam was getting revenge against the USA and Saudi Arabia for supporting the US in the war and using the identities of Saudis who went missing when Iraq invaded Kuwait as propaganda to divert the true identity of state sponsorship. Two birds with one stone.

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JLM 6 years ago

How does one become a millionaire in the Obama administration?

Start with $5MM and begin to pay your taxes; or, go to work for ACORN and steal some votes at $1/vote.

This is a just a little joke, lefties. Don't get your panties in a knot.

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Steve Lewis 6 years ago

The ACORN argument is argued pro and con here:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/wall.acorn/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/brazile.acorn/index.html

I agree with Brazile. How can you argue that thousands will risk jail to vote fraudulently? ACORN is not a threat to this election. Voter suppression IS affecting thousands of votes, and is a threat to this election.

And it will affect Colorado. Voters found themselves purged here. Secretary of State Mike Coffman is being sued today for alledgedly illegally purging 30,000 Colorado voters. He says only 14,000 were purged.

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JLM 6 years ago

ACORN is a threat to every election as it is a criminal organization whose employees have been indicted and convicted in every election conducted in the US in the last 20 years for both voter registration fraud and voter fraud. This is not my judgment, it is the judgment of the Courts.

Pat Caddell, Jimmy Carter's pollster, a veteran of Presidential campaigns and a Democratic war horse, said as much when interviewed on MSNBC and Fox. He said that everyone in politics knows that ACORN is a Democratic adjunct and is corrupt to their core. ACORN was founded by Wade Rathke of SDS fame and his brother embezzled over $1MM this year from ACORN. These are not good folks.

Look at recent anecdotal information pertaining to ACORN's activities in Ohio coupled with those of the Obama campaign. Clearly they have both targeted Ohio and clearly they have both broken the law. In the Obama campaign's instance, it was broken by Stanford Law students and grads who used the same day voter registration (voter registration fraud) to immediately vote (voting fraud). These are some of the brightest people on the planet. What do you think they can get the morons to do?

It is so pervasive that Democrats have begun to cheat other Democrats. In Harris County, Texas (Houston), over 4,000 "dead" Democrats voted in the Democratic Primary. This was revealed by Texas Watch which cross referenced the Social Security death benefit rolls v the voting rolls. Interestingly enough, the "dead" used drivers licenses for identification. What does that imply? Pervasive voter fraud perpetrated by folks who had control over the actual voting rolls rather than individuals up to individual bad acts.

ACORN is not a close call having been founded by Wade Rathke of SDS fame and a participant in NWRO (National Welfare Rights Organization) which used to violently invade welfare offices throughout the country while attempting to fill the welfare rolls to a breaking point.

This is consistent with the ACORN strategy of turning in massive numbers of voter registration forms immediately prior to the election thereby overwhelming local election boards and increasing the probability of successfully attaining voter status for questionable registrants. The case in Ohio of over 200,000 new voter registrants with flawed registrations is simply the latest chapter in this campaign.

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oldskoolstmbt 6 years ago

aaaahhhhhh...how sweet it was...driving to ft.collins and seeing THAT ONE speak...what an unbelievable experience...wish all you righties were there to see the man walk on water!!!

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seeuski 6 years ago

You contributed to global warming by driving to see the one?

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oldskoolstmbt 6 years ago

actually, and here again, since you nothing about me or anything...i car pooled with other people, to take my daughter back to college and rode back with other people whom were already down for business...nice try tho..and by the looks of it (your posts' in length and number) you obviously contribute way more to global warming in energy use than i ever could on a given day...

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playa46 6 years ago

Was that a serious argument seeuski? Global Warming?

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seeuski 6 years ago

No, but the guilty conscience is evident in the response it garnered. I am just trying to lighten up a bit. It is time to ski and Marvin Gay is singin.

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Steve Lewis 6 years ago

JLM, We got to the point of trading talking points, so enough about election fraud. Check in with you after the lawsuits are filed.

But I have a question I hope you will have some ideas on:

What is the possible gain of this recent airstrike into Syria?

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JLM 5 years, 12 months ago

Gen David Petreaus, in addition to being the former C in C of the Iraq theater and now C in C CENTCOM, was the author of the Army's manual on counterinsurgency. Believe it or not, this was a fairly scholarly work --- he is a PhD from the Woodrow Wilson School of Princeton University --- which suggests some very interesting ideas. Among them was many of the things which drove the Al Anbar Awakening which was critical in the success of the surge. The idea that the military should in effect "purchase" the support of local tribal leaders is still a bit revolutionary for the typical Benning Boys Club grad.

The decision to use Special Opns across the border is simply the recognition that in addition to winning the battle against insurgents on the battle field, it is essential to roll up the lines of supply and support; and, to deny sanctuaries to the insurgents. This prevents the insurgents from retreating from the local battle area, licking their wounds, resupplying and coming back at a time of their choosing.

It is pretty damn clear that the Syrians are very, very bad actors given their recent alliance with the Russians, the mischief in Lebanon, the recent bombing of a suspected N Korean sponsored embryonic reactor by the Israelis and now this attack by the Americans at the border.

The American attack was a classic modern anti-terrorist operation --- drone surveillance, tactical air, airmobile assault and Special Opns troops. Indications are that this was a major waystation on the infiltration line into Iraq as well as a major supply location.

I think that the Syrians are in a very tough spot as they are not likely to be able to get the foreign fighters to stop using the country as a pathway to Iraq and it is unlikely the Americans will have any sense of dampened ardor given the tepid nature of the outcry.

The importance of a line in the sand in a trackless desert and the implications of national sovereignty are not terribly important in the war on terror. I think this is also an effective way to lull the enemy into a sense of safety and to take them out.

As in the Afghanistan theater, the simple arithmetic reduction of terrorists --- killing lots of terrorists --- is a huge improvement. It is one step removed from wholesale pest control. It works.

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playa46 5 years, 12 months ago

JLM- Your posts are always very informative. Thanks.

Please, go vote if you haven't, Tuesday is that magical day, with either McCain or Obama at the helm.

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JLM 5 years, 12 months ago

I have already voted three times and I am getting tired. I guess I could vote a couple dozen more times before Election Day. After all, it's an importand election. LOL

JLM - ACORN operative

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Steve Lewis 5 years, 12 months ago

And I registered my dog to vote. Working on his ID.

I understand the defense department logic you lay out. But where is the state department on this? Its a foreign policy blunder. There are millions and millions of bystanders to our actions in the Middle East. Cross border strikes underscore their perception that we represent the worst, rather than the best.

I don't think we should continue attacks in Pakistan, or in Syria. Its a mistake. To get Osama, yes. But for lower operatives that will just be replaced tenfold with the new volunteers created by each missle, no.

Its not a stretch to see how this tactic destabilizes Pakistan. That country falling into political chaos while holding nukes we gave them. That's a big piece of collateral damage.

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JLM 5 years, 12 months ago

We have a single foreign policy, not a State and Defense and AID and etc. foreign policy. Each has a role to play in the President's foreign policy.

I suspect that many countries (e.g. Lebanon) are only too happy for us to eliminate foreign fighters on their soil and remember we are not talking about a lot of countries probably just Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan at this juncture in time.

The idea that the elimination of dangerous concentrations of terrorists, material and equipment found any place in the world will somehow damage our future prospects is a bit too fuzzy for my view of reality.

Understand that Pakistan would like nothing better than to have us get rid of the Taliban in Pakistan. This is the same Taliban that assassinated Madame Benazir Bhutto. The Taliban does in reverse what we did successfully in Al Anbar --- they wiggle in and play favorites among the local war lords. There can be no safe havens and sovereign borders are not the same thing in a war on terror and terrorists. Neither side respects borders.

The conventional wisdom is that the supply of terrorists in the world is not unlimited and that our success has bred more than a little trepidation. It's getting more and more difficult to recruit for the #2 Al Qaeda in Iraq position.

The threat to Pakistan is more from the Taliban than any other source. If we can wiggle in, then we will be able to seize the nuclear weapons should a problem present itself. The real challenge with a nuclear arsenal is transportation and delivery. I am absolutely certain that we have contingency plans to do just that.

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Steve Lewis 5 years, 12 months ago

Your first 3 paragraphs would be the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strike strategy. Unfortunately Bush has misjudged the cause and effect of this strategy on epic scale. He's escalating this mess.

His administration has made 2 constituencies a fortune: the oil companies, and the defense industry. The man's either corporate thief, or an epic fool. "Spreading freedom" is the political lie of the century.

Pakistan is destabilizing. The Taliban has enough support to further destabilize, and we are adding to that support with these missles across a border.

The supply of terrorists is growing because of our invasion of Iraq (military assessment) and continuing civilian casualties. Don't know where you get your "conventional wisdom" that we'll eventually kill them all.

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JLM 5 years, 11 months ago

When the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan began to rebel against the Taliban in substantial strength, America intervened by providing almost 100 Special Forces A teams to direct artillery and air support while the Northern Alliance provided bayonet strength.

This was the testing of a long standing theory of how Special Forces units could be used to assist a government in exile to revolt against the established government.

This is exactly the concept of Special Forces at the time they were formed under President Kennedy. SF was supposed to be a bunch of extremely well educated, rugged, specialized linguist/trainers who could provide the necessary training to a government in exile to rebel against a corrupt government. Or a Communist government.

In Afghanistan this further developed into a hunting party whereby A teams deployed across the countryside and set up ambushes on crossroads (Afghanistan is a country of trails and small roads all of which lead somewhere). They killed the Taliban like cordwood.

From a pre-Northern Alliance strength of 65-70,000 only 15,000 Taliban were accounted for at the end of the war. What happened to the balance?

The SF teams took them out over a concerted 90 day effort. Do the math --- 100 teams, 90 days, 50,000 dead Taliban. They only had to kill about 5 a night per team to disappear 50,000 of them.

This was a fact which was never really well reported in America because there were no embedded reporters. The British press reported it extensively.

This is exactly what I mean by killing them all. As they used to say in SF: "Kill them all, let God sort them out!"

There is absolutely no evidence that there is a growing supply of terrorists. While there may be folks who are pissed off with America, they are mostly willing to sit on the sidelines because when they come to play, things don't work out too well for them.

It is not a nice or pleasant thing to dwell on but we have killed a huge number of foreign fighters, home grown thugs and other assorted scumbags in the Middle East. It is a very good program.

This is why it has been so difficult to keep a good #2 in Al Qaeda in Iraq --- we keep killing him.

And, as Martha Stewart would say, that's a good thing!

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